DeSantis orders Florida National, State Guard members to Texas border
orlandosentinel.com
Gov. Ron DeSantis said Thursday he is sending National and Florida State Guard troops to Texas to help that state put up razor wire fences on the southern border, a move in apparent defiance of the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision on the contentious immigration issue.
DeSantis said it would be the “first-ever deployment” for the State Guard, a force he re-established in 2022 after being defunct for 75 years.
But Florida law says the State Guard, which reports directly to the governor, is to be used “exclusively within the state,” and a proposed bill to allow out-of-state deployments has not been passed by the Legislature.
DeSantis spokesman Jeremy Redfern did not respond to a request for comment on the use of the State Guard outside of Florida.
Can someone from the White House please point out that if there really is an "invasion" at the southern border, that makes DeSantis and Abbott guilty of aiding America's enemies by putting them on buses and planes and sending them all over the US?
Since when does human trafficking aid the victims?
It doesn't, but that's beside the point. The point is, if there really is an "invasion" at the border, what do you call someone who helps those "invaders" get deeper into the country? Why shouldn't the federal government march right in to Tallahassee and Austin and arrest Abbott and DeSantis on charges of treason?
because no one on the political stage is under the delusion that this is an invasion. Reeeee-publicans pretty reliably pretend to care about the border whenever they need a distraction. Playing into it only enables them.
There is, DeathSantis is planning on invading with his state funded personal army.
Biden should call their bluff. Letting Abbott and DeSantis make these little shows of defiance using actual troops and law enforcement personnel only emboldens the right. That has to be a red line.
I think that my favorite part of the Bible is where Jesus puts razor wire in the river to keep people from entering his country.
For fuck's sake, shut this down already. They're going to keep ratcheting until they get a response, and if they go far enough the next step is to actually start fighting. It's not a harmless stunt, this is normalizing the steps toward armed rebellion.
For fucks sake, they really want Civil War 2, don't they.
What's crazy is, no, they don't want war. They want to get reelected indefinitely for status and profit, and will say anything to get that. The shit they say incites their followers to want war, and that is advantageous for them.
The politicians know their bluffs will be called, but if they keep people mad and scared, they can keep farming donations and votes from rubes. They've done it for decades. This rhetoric gets stale eventually, so they have to keep amplifying the message, to the point they're now posturing for a civil war they know won't ever come.
Meanwhile, their voters are bashing people on the head with hammers or killing family members because they've been told to be scared for decades, and are now being told to fight back.
They want their bluffs to be called, because then they can squawk ab it it the big bad Deep State oppressing them.
I don't really know what DeSantis and Trump really want. I know some of these people who follow them though, and yes, they absolutely want civil war. That may not continue if it starts happening and they find out what the reality is like, but right now they want it.
I mean that’s the thing, to fight a war these retirees would have to actually do some fighting. The younger population-read: the ones they expect to fight for them-are almost universally not fucking interested in defending their bigotry
The population I was thinking of sits inside a kind of late-30s-to-mid-40s, white man with child custody issues and a lot of bitterness which right-wing media likes to feed into, middle ground. The 60+ year olds want a civil war but with rare exceptions will do absolutely 0 to move it forward. The sub-30-year-olds I think are mostly just not Republicans except for some outliers. But there's a not insignificant number of guys out there in the in between who wish they could worry about troop movements and have their grand adventure instead of worrying about excise tax warrants and layoffs.
We would have to actually end the first civil war before we could technically start a new one. They did have terms of surrender etc signed. But only the leadership surrendered. It's been a cold civil war for at least the last hundred years plus
You know, either they really want to start another war, or this is just a damn show for this crazy ass election cycle that’s taking place. Probably both. They want to be able to tell their constituents “we’re doing everything we can to save this country, and we’re telling the Feds to F off while we do it. And their base just eats it up like taco night.
Since it looks like the GOP is going to loose at the next election, a civil war is one of the few options left
Fat Ron wasting yet more taxpayer money
Just a fascist doing fascist things.
That also makes for more NatGuard troops for Biden to activate if Abbott does truly shit the bed and actually stops or conspires to stop Federal officers from cutting down razor wire.
This doesn't sound like National Guard troops. It's referred to specifically as "State Guard" and says it was only reestablished in 2022. I'm pretty sure the Florida National Guard has existed longer than that.
It's both
What is the difference really? Sorry if this is a stupid question.
One is the Florida National Guard, which the President can Federalize, the other are the Florida State Guard, recently reactivated, which are jumped up state troopers with less training, which answer directly to the Governor's office.
But normally the FL National Guard is under the governor’s command?
So essentially the fulfill the same role until the National Guard is Federalized…is what I’m asking, I guess.
Thanks for your response btw :)
Ah, ok.
State Guards and National Guards usually train and deploy together for in-state activities. Only the National Guard can be federalized, though.
Arrest every officer involved. Including desantis. Charge? Insurrection.
If Florida seceded… we get to call the wall “America’s Cock Ring”. Just saying.
Not like it matters, that cock is gonna shrink smaller and smaller with climate change.
Exactly what happens when you have a cock ring too tight and don't remove it
Oooof
Have you ever see somebody's ears after they've stretched them without the rings?
don't tell them that. They're proud of being the state shaped like a giant dick.
wait. maybe that'll get them on board with fighting climate change....
Can't really arrest a standing governor. Need to impeach I think
his immunity only extends to state charges, but yeah, impeachment would seem to be on order.
It would seem to me that if a governor could order military actions in another state, that would make this a nation of 50 commander-in-chiefs, not one. I would think that, if not under orders from POTUS, any military actions of the Florida National Guard in another state would be illegal.
I feel the obvious thing that is happening is they are trying to normalize it in a lead up to civil war. One inch at a time they are consciously walking towards normalizing state on state interference. It's same reason we are seeing texas trying to get medical records from a Seattle hospital. Pushing the boundaries is the MO.
Ah but this isn't the National Guard, it's the Florida State Guard. The first time it existed was because the actual National Guard was busy in WW2. Now lil Ronny resurrected it to use as his personal police force.
Arguably, putting up razor wire isn't military action. It's construction. The intent is obvious of course, but the constitution doesn't usually cover intent.
I believe they're referring to DeShitstain sending troops to Texas.
Yes, but if they aren't going to fight, it isn't a military action. If they end up fighting it would get interesting from a legal standpoint
I don't support DeSantis or the hanging of new wire, but dont National Guards get deployed to other states for disaster recovery like floods and wild fires? Not sure about the clasification of razor wire, but might not be a stretch. I agree military operations would be an overstep.
The important distinction here is he is sending the Florida State Guard, which is completely separate from the Florida contingent of the National Guard. He brought the force back after it was defunct for 75 years. They are legally not allowed to act outside the borders of Florida.
But when has law ever stopped this guy.
Don't forget that, last year, when actual Nazis were goose stepping outside of Disney, Traitor Ron didn't make any effort whatsoever to stop them.
Why would he try to stop his voters?
Indeed. That's his base.
Sounds like DeSantis is an insurrectionist too.
He only wishes
I'm positive he doesn't have the capacity to do this since it pertains to operations outside of state lines, but these assholes really want to run and push the limits to trigger a court case. As I'm seeing this, if the Florida Troops do anything like harm a person, they are fucked.
Why is it only a crisis in Texas and not Florida, New Mexico, Arizona, or California?
I get a lot of people are crossing over, fleeing violence and political unrest but it seems like only Texas is posturing and turning it into a political issue.
Texas has the shitest state government of them. Who also love to grandstand the most
Florida would like a word
True but still 2nd to Texas. At least until they also have an AG only in power to avoid prison or other charges
That picture of the guy in the middle of the razor wire is fucking harrowing
I hate all the people that think it's cool and get mad at me for being horrified at that bullshit
There is nothing legal about this.
Hasn't seemed to be a concern for them yet.
The next Red Dawn remake won't have to worry about hasty last-minute edits to make the Chinese invaders into North Koreans. MAGA chucklefucks getting schwacked won't bother the CCP one bit.
What a sick piece of shit. Ron DeSHithead tries to score political points by putting as much hurt as possible on desperate migrants.
30 years from now, any people reading this post: Ron De Who??? never heard of him.
Eh, I don't like your nickname of his. It's too hard to say in a quick sentence. His original nickname, Ron DeathSantis is still much better.
I call her Rhonda Santis, since it's easy and in the spirit of refusing to recognize an individual's self-identified gender, which she supports.
Go ahead swing your pee pee around just don't cry when we deduct it from your state subsidies
I hate this timeline. Fuck all these jerks that keep trying to goad on a civil war.
This is the most disgusting shit. All of this border cruelty.
I have tried to think of a situation where I would put my family in peril and hand over my life savings for just a chance of a better life, not even a guarantee. I can only imagine the horror that could cause such an action.
These people are not waking up one day and just going across the border. They have journeyed for weeks, even months. Risking everything to cross some of the most treacherous terrain in the world. This is not a decision made lightly.
These are desperate people, and they are people. We may only be an economic collapse away from being just like them.
Nothing justifies intentionally causing harm to another person when your own life is not in direct threat. Most states consider it a crime to set a trap that may maim someone who breaks into your home. In Florida I would be fined or charged if I put up razor wire with the intent of harming any animal, even invasive animals that can be hunted throughout the year on public land.
But with MAGAts, cruelty is the point.
That is not against the decision unless this is a different one than on the 22nd. I don't belive the decision said new razor wire couldn't be placed. It said that they couldn't stop the federal government from cutting through it to do their job on the otherside. Texas wanted to block the border patrol from doing their job physically and legally then complain that they weren't doing their job. There seems to be another issue here about Florida law and using their guard outside Florida, but that wasn't the issue of the decision I was thinking of.