That's a low blow

The Picard Maneuver@startrek.websitemod to Lemmy Shitpost@lemmy.world – 538 points –
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I think it's really dumb that people think 5'7" (170 cm) is short for males.

The typical height of the human male is anywhere from 5'5"–6'0" (165–183 cm).

5'7" isn't short; it is stupidly average.

Source: https://www.healthline.com/health/average-height-for-men

Sounds like epic cope from a manlet.

I am 5'6.

Who me? Hell no, bruh, I'm a fucking 5'1" woman. Lol.

It depends wildly, but 170cm might be short in the US, especially for some age groups since 175cm seems to be the average for everyone over 20.

From 2015–2018, the average height for males in the United States ages 20 and over was 69 inches (175cm)

For Finland, for males 18+ that average is 177cm. You can be your ass I'm short at 169cm. And you do not want to go "well, in the Philippines I would be above average" lol

Well see that's why I didn't go by just US statistics. That link I cited states US statistics as well as worldwide. It would be ignorant of me to make a species-wide claim by using a dataset that only includes 5% of the world population, after all. :)

It does use feets and inches as the measure. That narrows it down a lot.

Could also be the UK, to be fair. The inch units may be different, but both nations use the International Foot.

In any case, I don't really see the region as being relevant; the meme may be limited to a particular region, but I was objecting more to the whole notion of that stereotype. Which is the same regardless of the unit used.

 

Edit: A word.

But even the UK is much taller than the global average and you'd be short at 170cm.

In any case, I don't really see the region as being relevant; the meme may be limited to a particular region, but I was objecting more to the whole notion of that stereotype. Which is the same regardless of the unit used.

How tall or short you're considered is dependant on that region. People are comparing you to the people around you, not to global average.

People are comparing based on incomplete data. It may be short for one country, but there are humans in other countries too. If those countries population were all shorter than the other, would that make them short? No, it would simply adjust what qualifies as normal.

For a species-wide judgment one needs a species-wide dataset.

Normality is what you have around you. That's the context people compare things in, usually. Someone short in the UK might be average elsewhere, but when people say "I'm short" or "he's tall", it's with an unsaid for what I typically see around me implied there.

I fully understand that. I'm not saying people don't do that; I'm merely saying that it is dumb as it's an inherently incomplete dataset and therefore not a reliable source of measurement. In other words, I'm talking about what's objectively normal, not what's subjectively normal.

Do people do that? Of course they do; I'm a dumbass, not an idiot. But I also don't like it, and this is why.

you rn

No, I'm actually a girl.

Women can't study the blade?

I...never said that at all. Where did you even get that impression?

I think they're just keeping up the banter. As in, humourously acting like they don't get your point just to keep the joke going ("So what if you're a girl? That's clearly you rn, just replace them with a short girl. Or are you saying girls cannot study the blade?"). Supporting that idea is the fact that "Study the blade" is a relatively well known internet meme at this point.

But I'm just an unrelated individual inserting myself into a random conversation with little reason, trying to interpret another person's comment on a shitposting community.

Yeah...I was suspecting as such. Rather immature, if you ask me. Oh well. Shitposting comments on a shitposting community makes sense, I suppose. shrug

This entire thread makes me so sad. I didn't expect this level of discrimination here on lemmy. I was even told this was the good part of the internet...

Even the #1 rule of this instance is about being respectful, but somehow, threads like this exist and are highly upvoted, with comments endorsing them.

I saw some of the comments you received on here, and I'm sorry for you.

Thanks. I'm disappointed too. I would have thought the whole notion of Rule 30 ("There are no women on the Internet") was dead by now. Clearly I am wrong.

I guess I should have known better than to expect some people to be anything less than immature children.

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Thats the kind of comeback you come up with 5 hours after the beef in the shower.

Why are you having beef in the shower?

It's more convenient to wash your food at the same time you're already using soap and water.

It's not such a tall order if you're quick-witted.

Hay tall guys, my partner (5'4) and I (5'6) can comfortably fit in a Mazda Miata, can you?

I (6'5") actually sold my NA a couple of months ago. I could just fit in it and my knees were at 4:00 and 8:00 next to the wheel (not touching it at least). The only reason I sold it is because it wasn't my daily driver and money has gotten very tight. So glad I learned to drive manual with it and then enjoy it for a few more years.

I miss it dearly :(

Oh also it was definitely a death trap for someone of my height. That roll bar would not have saved me.

Coworker of mine was about your height. Whenever we traveled I would mess with the seat arrangement so I would get aisle and he would get center and he would ask me to switch. Eventually he figured out I was doing on purpose and he didn't let me book seats for him anymore.

We oughta put you in Tall Jail for your crimes! You should have at least given him the window seat so he could enjoy the view haha

Nah but I can’t get my legs to fit properly on any bus nor plane and I’m not even really tall (around 6ft I guess)

I fucking love that 5'8 life, the world is built for me. I can reach every top shelf but nobody ever asks me to get them something from up there. I fit in every plane or car or train seat. Being average height (in my country at least) is amazing.

Remember that Wolverine is only 5’3” and he is widely considered the best at what he does (which is not very nice). In addition to this, he is the greatest showman.

I really wish they'd hired someone shorter for the role, I understand they want their actors to all be similar in height for close up shots and we've culturally adopted the idea that the good guys are always 6' tall and only villains are short, but it would have been nice to see Wolverine accurately represented.

Damn I know that he's short canonically, but I didn't know that he's THAT short. O.o

It's been very strange. When I was a child in school I was not well liked, I was fat neckbeard with no internet because late 80s. Truly I was a sad pile. They called me all manner of hateful things, but it never even occurred to them to call me short, at 5'7".

I rarely feel "short", only average. Most men seem to be around my height. Some minority of men are taller. I still manage to tower over many women, because women be small, yo. A "tall" girl is roughly my height, so they're either at eye level or shorter, with the occasional very tall woman in the mix.

I'm tall enough that other people ask for assistance with things on high shelves on a regular enough basis, mostly women.

There is a DRASTIC difference between how the world treats my height versus how the internet shitbag community does. Go figure, abusive people are abusive.

I can only pinpoint the 2000s, and online dating profiles where you can sort by height, plus many women having a height fetish in the exact same way that men will ask people their bra size, and the continuing popularity of the NBA, plus women wanting to have sex with the players, plus their truly freakish heights throwing off the populist curve so that anybody under 6'0 is teeny tiny. Somebody is gonna start squeaking about "6 foot is average" so sure, chief, you win. But there was a time when I just wasn't particularly tall. Suddenly I am perceived as an actual midget.

It's just another example of the way people constantly try to find excuses to treat you like shit over just about anything they can think of, it shows how they're constantly inventing that. It's one of God's little reminders to not worry what happens to them.

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Pfft, 5"7 losers.

Luckily I'm 5"6.

That's rude, we prefer height challenged.

I don't feel particularly challenged. The world is built for people in the 5'5"-6' range.

I'm 5'3 and same. The only "challenge" I face is taller dudes trying to shit on me about it because they have nothing else to flex on me about and that's their only resort. Oh, also I'm really bad at basketball.

I use "vertically challenged" all the time lol

i love to pick up small men and hug them

I'm 5'4" and volunteer as tribute... ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

I'm 6'7" I pick everyone up and hug them. They just stand there awkwardly most of the time. I tell them I'm XXY and thus need to hug everyone so my female side is happy.

Kicked a tall buddy in the nuts second time he tried this. My man never did it again. Still friends though. Nice guy overall.

I'm 5'11", but don't consider 5'7" short.

Same. It's statistically average. Plus, judging and demeaning people over their height is pretty messed up. Nothing anyone can do about that, outside of invasive surgery that carries substantial long-term health risks. The world takes all kinds - short kings, tall kings, in-between kings.

I'm 6'-7" and consider everyone short, until I come across someone 6'-5" or taller and then I'm like "holy shit that guy is tall". Has to do with your eyes being a few inches lower than the top of your head. I'm just glad I clear standard 6'-8" doorways, can pay for exit row and somehow a Mazda CX-5 fits me comfortably.

I dont even care about this meme, what coat is Robert Pattinson wearing?

I was thinking it's just some old WW1/WW2 stuff from some movie he was in but nope lol

For his front-row appearance, Pattinson wore a double-faced coat designed by Dior men’s creative director Kim Jones. There were several standout draped outerwear pieces and blazers on the runway, and Pattinson’s coat mimicked that idea with its double-breasted style and attached thick wool scarf. (Call it a half coat, half blanket.) Underneath, the actor wore a chocolate leather jacket for extra warmth, and finished it off with light brown khakis and hefty patent boots. If any man can pull off this kind of tricky layering, it’s Pattinson.

I was thinking it was some military surplus stuff but nope, peak of fashion Dior stuff. Lmao

Everybody sitting here being offended on 5'7" dudes' behalf: thanks, but we're laughing our asses off at it! I love being a short king

Some people are really, really focused on their height and see it as a big source of issues in their lives. I don't know if it's a bigger thing in the US (where most of those complaining seem to be from) or maybe I've just been lucky, but I don't remember getting too much shit for it.

In the US, there are constant reminders everywhere. Sometimes even lemmy usernames point out our slight stature.

Occasionally you'll meet someone who just can't see you as a full adult, if that makes sense. Even in a professional environment I've had people try to tell me they aren't convinced of my abilities until someone who I work with confirms what I'm saying, with no other logical reason to mistrust my claims outside of identifying height instinctually with good moral standing or intelligence.

It's mostly in the dating world though, thankfully it usually presents itself as an issue immediately and you can just use it as a sort of filter. The women who truly don't care are rare but at least you know they're cool with it immediately.

Humans take data and build narratives. Narratives are easier to process vs raw data. So you have raw data that includes a lot of pain and the narrative is built. New data has no chance against old data since every time old data was recalled it is copied. The happy moment is stomped down by the miserable moment that was remembered a 1000x.

I am not saying it isn't a real issue, I am saying that for the people it impacts, it impacts them a great deal.

Maybe we shouldn't treat people like crap and maybe we should teach people to deal with pain as it is not based on whatever fictional narrative they built to justify it.

(hits up Wolfram|Alpha for a conversion) I mean, 1,70 m is not that small. It's fairly average, even in The Netherlands. Speaking from experience.

That's 13cm shorter than the average in the Netherlands. Never been in the Netherlands, but even in Norway where the average is 181cm, 170cm is definitely on the short end. In the US the average is only 177 so it's not really short over the pond though.

I was initially thinking of adding "but who really cares about height in real life though?", but then I remembered that height discrimination goes beyond women in the dating scene and is a serious issue.

It's small. I'm 1m70 and here in the south of France, most teenage boys are taller than me, and I'd say about half of adult women are my size or close. 1m80 is the new normal size.

Tussle their hair, smile and say "sure thing big guy. Want some chocolate milk?" And put your hands on your hips. It will make their day.

And some chicky nuggies?? 🥺 👉👈

Haha! Of course sport! Anything for my big guy. Say, while we're at it, how about we make a day of it? We can get some burgers and floats, skip some rocks at the lake, and maybe even get you that new Lightning Mcqueen booster seat you've been wanting!? This is going to be so much fun bud! We just have to make a quick stop at the town office to renew your SSI information for your...condition...

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