Man, I'm so happy with the way this is going so far. I sure hope she wins the election.
I was staunchly against Biden stepping down this late in the game. I can’t possibly tell you how happy I am to eat crow. Kamala is the best thing to happen to the Democratic Party in a very long time. Not taking anything away from Joe it’s just that Kamala Harris is on fire.
Honestly, same. That was scary as hell. Then she raised 81 million dollars immediately, started beating him in the polls immediately, started listening to Bernie Sanders, and I'm stoked.
She's mostly listened to Bernie her whole senate career tbf
I missed that. How has she been listening to Bernie Sanders?
In bed when trying to sleep.
I love the idea of someone listening to recordings of Bernie Sanders to fall asleep. It's like putting on Gilbert Gottfried to meditate
"I am once again asking you to CLOSE YOUR EYES, AND GO TO SLEEP."
“THE TOP TEN PERCENT OF PEOPLE ARE SEEING NINETY PERCENT OF THE SHEEP. SLEEP INEQUALITY IS REAL AND NINETY PERCENT OF PEOPLE ARE SIMPLY NOT. GETTING. ENOUGH.”
I like the idea of Bernie Sanders doing the most grassroots info campaign ever: he enters people's houses at night, lays in bed next to them, and then explains the points and details of a current issue while staring at the ceiling.
Does he spoon me tho?
No, he only sends clear messages and that would give off mixed signals
"I am once again asking you to share your warmth, platonically!"
Obviously she's not Bernie Sanders, but apparently she voted in-line with him more than any other senator. I've been a huge Bernie fan for years, but I didn't know that...
She performed terribly in the 2020 primaries and has been very quiet as Vice President. It makes sense you'd be worried. She seems to be rising to the occasion, thankfully. I hope she wins, for America's sake!
has been very quiet as Vice President
This was my biggest concern, honestly.
I'm glad to see she's going right in strong, Biden stepping down had me incredibly nervous.
Same. Apparently she was being very careful to not steal Biden's thunder.
That's sorta the job of the VP as far as I understand. Lie low, cast tie-breaking votes, and be ready if the President croaks. In those respects, Harris has hit it out of the park
This is like a soccer game, deep into the second half. It's not decided, but so far, the Blues have been weak on the offense and it's only a matter of time until the Reds' constant barrage of attacks breaks through.
Now the Reds have committed to their offensive star, they can't switch any more, but the Blues have swapped out their aging defensive mid-field captain for an aggressive offense and she's wasting no time leading those counter-attacks.
Will it be enough? Time will tell. But at least it's a game again, not a desperate attempt to hold on.
She was sorta handcuffed. If she spoke up more the Orange outfit would have accused her of operating Biden like a sock puppet.
Pleasantly surprised to be wrong about how Kamala would act.
Never before have I been so happy to see the "sassy black woman taking no shit from anyone" stereotype prove itself true
It's not just her, it's been her support team so far. Quick fire responses to conservatives and hopping on gen z memes.
It feels like her and her team aren't afraid to ruffle feathers, and it's about time.
Your candor is refreshing to see on an online forum, thank you for that.
Everyone on the democratic side, Biden fan or not, likely had known that the move to have him not run again had a lot of inherent risk of plunging the whole party into chaos. What I and others didn't realize was that this debacle was obscuring what everybody clearly wanted to avoid, an authoritarian Trump presidency, leaving us all in despair. Having someone who could get ol' Don's knickers in a twist will be a great uniting force for the party and democracy lovers everywhere, and is a source of hope we were all long overdue for.
This is what I was afraid of too, all the calls for Biden to drop out but no one was talking about next steps. Now possibly, for good reason, they were already in the works behind closed doors and already had this plan. That being said, I was nervous as hell right up until all the fundraising numbers came in and the jabs started.
Better to eat crow than the shit we'd be forced to swallow in a second trump term! Forreal though, thank you for coming out and saying it.
Nobody needs to say "I told ya so" but clearly things are moving in an energetic direction, and those of us that are sane in this country should all be pleased! Keep dunking on the fascists and speaking the obvious truth to these morons!
What's the crow thing about?
Eating crow is a colloquial idiom that means humiliation by admitting having been proven wrong after taking a strong position.
That means to admit being wrong about something.
By far, the most delicious crow I've ever eaten.
Same, I was mostly worried about doing it so close to the election, but Kamela is knocking it out of the park so far
from Vice President Kamala Harris’s rapid response team.
Love to see it lol, she knows what she's doing
Yep, same position from me. I was wrong. Kamala is looking great. I'm still really fearful and there's an awful lot of misogyny and racism to overcome yet, but she needs Democrats to turn up and vote and independents to switch to her in swing states and that's how she's can get it. The racists and misogynists weren't ever going to vote Democratic anyway, Trump is their guy through and through.
Honesly one reason kamala is more acceptable to me after biden is she has been part of the administration that put out such a great term and I think one reason it was great was from lessons biden learned from being obama's vp. I don't view it as eating crow because I was not zealotly against his stepdown just basically against it. Whats done is done and move ahead. Don't pick my gov for vp though as we need him in the state and he is to good and im scared to gamble on not getting someone as good to replace him.
Biden had a job to do. Stop the boat from rocking. And he did a pretty damn good job of it. I wish he had been able to "job done" and step aside so the Dems could have had real primaries. But wishes ain't nothing. This isn't the worst result of that target fixation.
This sudden move has created such a surge in interest that the results may turn out better than if a normal primary happened. (As far as not watching a fascist dismantle our government)
Yeah, in a way, Kamala coming out winning already and fighting has saved all the arguments and Dem on Dem fighting that would have come had Biden stepped down earlier in time for the primaries. It has focussed minds and they've been united pretty much instantly.
Can I borrow some of that crow? I was CERTAIN that despite his obvious issues and steadfast refusal to even address them, that Biden stepping out of the race would be the death knell for the US.
Yet here we are and I feel HOPE for the first time in a long time. Kamala feels like she'll be more than just a gatekeeper against fascism in the short term. I'm still nervous because... politicians are still politicians. But her record has been almost overwhelmingly good, even saying back to her time as AG of California.
I have so much, there’s plenty to go around. The good news is that it’s the best tasting crow I’ve ever had.
It isn't over yet, but I will gladly do the same after the election.
I hope Republicans get absolutely crushed to the point that it becomes clear catering to the extremists and conspiracy theorists is not tenable. Then they have 4 years to try to rebuild from the ashes and try to present a reasonable platform instead of something insane.
For sure, though I said the same thing in 2020 and was disappointed at how close it was. Really a terrible reflection on the country.
I hope they are crushed, learn nothing and double down on it by running with Trump again, this time fully campaigning from prison.
Looking forward to 82 year old trump vs Harris 2028
Followed by 86 year old Trump vs, I dunno, Kelly maybe?
2032 Stop the steal! 🪦
There's nothing in the constitution that says a corpse can't run for office. He meets all the requirements.
Trump is there to stay as long as they continue to embrace fascism.
At some point he'll die.
Yes, until he dies. I assume they'll continue to invoke St. Trump afterwards.
I prefer the Republicans offer a reasonable alternative so that Democrats can actually be held accountable. Currently Democrats can engage in insider trading, pass laws that help their stocks, continue to give weapons to war criminals, and you still have to come out in droves to vote for them or the country becomes a Dictatorship.
If Republicans are forced to rebuild and offer someone that isn't going to run the country and everyone's freedoms into the ground, (or better yet completely crash and burn allowing an actual leftist party the chance to be the 2nd party) then Democrats can actually be held accountable if they pass shitty laws.
You want the Republican party to compete with the Democrats by attempting to make things fairer, less corrupt and more honourable than the Democrats?! It's like expecting Biden to be the youthful candidate, Trump to be the honest and rational candidate and Bernie to be the corporate shill all in one.
No, I meant making a 3rd party actually potentially viable
That's really not how your previous post reads to me, apart from the thing in brackets.
The rest of my post was saying I want Republicans to not be a dumpster fire that is going down the fascism hole. They don't need to be "fairer, less corrupt and more honourable than the Democrats," they just need to not be taking away established human rights when they're in power so that not voting for Democrats if they aren't behaving can be a reasonable option.
Fair enough.
I think that as long as winner take all first past the post remains the method here there will never be room for more than 2 parties.
I prefer the Republicans offer a reasonable alternative so that Democrats can actually be held accountable.
I used to say (and believe) things like this. The fact is, it cannot exist. Reasonable people don't run for office as a Republican, full stop.
I like how you disengenuiously phrase everything. Oh Lordy, I wish the Republicans could force those filthy Democrats to stop their cheating ways, or I swear I'll faint!!
Meanwhile, there are already Democrats who ARE proposing fixes to your little list. LOL, we don't need Republicans to hold Democrats accountable, we need them to vote with the Democrats trying to fix the problems. But good luck with that
Yep. If you're a progressive and you want an actual progressive party, the only way to do that in this current (two party) system, is to shift the Overton Window to the left such that the current Democratic party becomes the center-right party (replacing the far right Republicans entirely), and said new progressive party, the left.
That means voting Democrat (including down ballot, which would be especially important in shifting local politics to the left) for now while continuing to do everything in our power to promote and support progressive candidates.
And this would take several election cycles. The collective ADHD of social media addled brains of Gen Z voters is another massive hurdle. They haven't seemed to grasp yet just how slow things can move in politics (which by itself isn't inherently good or bad).
How do you get them to stay engaged for 12+ years when it may seem like nothing is getting better?
According to Insider, Sens. Ossoff and Sen. Kelly were two of only 10 sitting members of Congress last Congress to place their portfolios in blind trusts.
Oh no! I criticised something only most Democrats are doing! That must mean I support Republicans!
At no point did I say Republicans need to hold Democrats responsible. What I said was I want Republicans to present an at least somewhat reasonable alternative so that the voters can hold Democrats responsible without risking the safety of marginalized people.
If 10 Democrats are trying to stop this that's great, the problem is you still have to vote for the 100 other Democrats that are gleefully taking part because the alternative is literal fascism. Democrats don't have to actually try to improve people's lives because what are you going to do, not vote and let the Republicans win?
I would not have expected "I wish there were 2 reasonable candidates to choose from" would be a controversial take, but I suppose American "Politics" is more tribalism than anything else.
I prefer the Republicans offer a reasonable alternative so that Democrats can actually be held accountable.
What color is the sky in your world?
"I would prefer a functioning democracy"
"What fantasy world are you living in?"
Americans are full on drinking the Kool-aid aren't they?
Republicans being reasonable? Reasonable Republicans holding Democrats responsible? For what?!?!
You're down k hole and experiencing a fever dream.
And it was Flavor-Ade. Get yer shit straight.
What I said was I would prefer if Republicans were a somewhat reasonable option, that wouldn't be taking away people's rights or diving straight in fascism, so that voters could hold Democrats responsible.
Basically, wouldn't it be nice if you didn't have to vote for a Democrat if they didn't follow through on their promises or engaged in unethical behaviour?
Short answer: yes. I'd prefer we move away from a two party system and embrace something like ranked choice or STAR to promote more voices at the table, but that takes away power from both Dems and Repubs, so it ain't happening anytime soon.
That sounds great too. The person I was originally replying to said they hoped Trump lost and continued to be the candidate for the next couple of elections, which would not lead to a more stable or functioning democracy. (No third party has a chance when there's a risk of actual fascism if the Republican's win.)
Let the Tories in the UK be a terrible warning for them.
Let the American voters follow the example of the UK's voters this year!
They haven't been reasonable since Nixon
I think the party would destroy itself long before they become introspective enough to straighten their shit out.
This isn't just a political party we're talking about, it's essentially a cult. Maybe not every Trump voter is in that deep, but enough are to cause a serious schism in the party.
I just hope that this time, the allegedly anti-Trump Republicans have the balls (or lady-nuts) to actually say/do something rather than falling in line and kissing the ring.
Unless we're still talking Russian kompromat... If that's the case, whatever they have on these people must be truly horrific.
Agreed, and wow, you can really sense the working cognitive function, I have to admit. Especially when only one of the candidates has it now.
If she doesn’t you know there are a lot of people who don’t care if a fascist wins. There’s no way Trump can win this if the people show up to vote.
I guess you didn't see the article about her statement regarding Israel/Palestine.
Already got the "totally a progressive who wouldn't vote for Biden because they just learned Palestine exists" concern trolls to make sure everyone knows that she lost their support already 🙄
What could go wrong now?
The left is notorious for abandoning its leaders for the smallest mistakes.
Could it happen?
What left?
He thinks Dems are left 😂
I'm just a normal human being that uses words in normal human context and not like a demented psychopath that needs to define each meaning for every possible dumbass who thinks they are smart.
No I don't think they are particularly left, but they are left in relation to the other party and they are considered to be the left for that very reason (at least!).
Again, you are embarrassing yourself with comments like that. You are like a little child that listens to a teacher and tries to find bizarre situations in which what the teacher says is not true. Its pointless and dumb.
Bye.
Again, you are embarrassing yourself with comments like that.
My left nut dumbass.
Truly artistic.
Being left of something doesn't make it left.
EXACTLY! Hitler is left of Trump. Hitler is not left.
A rather large majority says the democratic party is the left. That is why I used the word, not because I wanted to talk what they are and what they aren't. That is how normal people usually do.
Normal people don't nitpick about every single word and try to deconstruct them to find faults when the topic is something else.
Which people say they are left? I'm not nitpicking, you are fundamentally wrong about using the term. It wasn't a throwaway word, it is essential to the meaning of your post, and this incorrect. You can't expect to throw disparaging remarks around when your understanding is not right.
I am 100% not wrong about using the term. Words don't mean whatever you decide they mean.
Which people say they are the left? Almost everyone. If you do a poll and ask all Americans, no, everyone in the world which is the left party and which is the right, what do you think you will get?
Maybe you think numbers don't matter? They do where words and meanings come into place.
Maybe you think her policies are not sufficiently to the left for your taste? Though.
What disparaging remarks? That the left - meaning the democratic party with all it's progressive and less progressive individuals together with other leftist parties are their own worst enemy?
What a bloody contraversial statement! Nobody in history every said something so disparaging. Let's attack this guy on all angles for this crazy statement.
This is truly amazing and at mindnumbingly boring at the same time.
Repeating yourself doesn't make you right. You are still very very wrong.
I think we both know that is not the case. But ego.
Thats fine.
Take it easy. Seriously, chill.
I'm very chill. You are still wrong.
... cool. Bye.
My left nut dumbass.
Exactly. No matter how far you lean to the right, your left nut is always left
I couldn't say it better myself!
Some trolls will go out of their way to find a reason for insults over a single insignificant word. Wether that reason is linguistic or ideological or just pointless in every way.
You could say the most benign banal thing and they will jump on it like crazy people. It's normal, it's Internet, but it's also sad.
Looks at Clinton.... Looks at JFK.... Looks at Jimmy Carter...
What the fuck are you even talking about? I can think of a lot of small mistakes that could have ruined any of the examples I provided but they are all LEFT heroes.
I'm sorry you are offended and agitated for some reason, I have no idea why. There is even a saying that the far right is the leftist second biggest enemy, right after another leftist they only share 95% of opinions with.
They asked you a valid question - what are some significant examples of what you are talking about? They gave examples of the opposite of what youre saying being true.
What examples did they show? A president who was not reelected? Someone who was almost impeached?
So you have no examples of your own. Got it.
Not for trolls, thank you.
Bye.
"I lost the argument but am incapable of admitting it" = "you are a troll"
Lol.
When they take the memes and four-panel comics seriously
Gentlemen, this leads me to my next point. Don’t smoke crack.
Man, I'm so happy with the way this is going so far. I sure hope she wins the election.
I was staunchly against Biden stepping down this late in the game. I can’t possibly tell you how happy I am to eat crow. Kamala is the best thing to happen to the Democratic Party in a very long time. Not taking anything away from Joe it’s just that Kamala Harris is on fire.
Honestly, same. That was scary as hell. Then she raised 81 million dollars immediately, started beating him in the polls immediately, started listening to Bernie Sanders, and I'm stoked.
She's mostly listened to Bernie her whole senate career tbf
I missed that. How has she been listening to Bernie Sanders?
In bed when trying to sleep.
I love the idea of someone listening to recordings of Bernie Sanders to fall asleep. It's like putting on Gilbert Gottfried to meditate
"I am once again asking you to CLOSE YOUR EYES, AND GO TO SLEEP."
“THE TOP TEN PERCENT OF PEOPLE ARE SEEING NINETY PERCENT OF THE SHEEP. SLEEP INEQUALITY IS REAL AND NINETY PERCENT OF PEOPLE ARE SIMPLY NOT. GETTING. ENOUGH.”
I like the idea of Bernie Sanders doing the most grassroots info campaign ever: he enters people's houses at night, lays in bed next to them, and then explains the points and details of a current issue while staring at the ceiling.
Does he spoon me tho?
No, he only sends clear messages and that would give off mixed signals
"I am once again asking you to share your warmth, platonically!"
How can anyone sleep through this stuff?
https://youtu.be/pm6qy_9E0rY?si=dZSxmSX-xI3B2GX-
Obviously she's not Bernie Sanders, but apparently she voted in-line with him more than any other senator. I've been a huge Bernie fan for years, but I didn't know that...
She performed terribly in the 2020 primaries and has been very quiet as Vice President. It makes sense you'd be worried. She seems to be rising to the occasion, thankfully. I hope she wins, for America's sake!
This was my biggest concern, honestly.
I'm glad to see she's going right in strong, Biden stepping down had me incredibly nervous.
Same. Apparently she was being very careful to not steal Biden's thunder.
That's sorta the job of the VP as far as I understand. Lie low, cast tie-breaking votes, and be ready if the President croaks. In those respects, Harris has hit it out of the park
This is like a soccer game, deep into the second half. It's not decided, but so far, the Blues have been weak on the offense and it's only a matter of time until the Reds' constant barrage of attacks breaks through.
Now the Reds have committed to their offensive star, they can't switch any more, but the Blues have swapped out their aging defensive mid-field captain for an aggressive offense and she's wasting no time leading those counter-attacks.
Will it be enough? Time will tell. But at least it's a game again, not a desperate attempt to hold on.
She was sorta handcuffed. If she spoke up more the Orange outfit would have accused her of operating Biden like a sock puppet.
Pleasantly surprised to be wrong about how Kamala would act.
Never before have I been so happy to see the "sassy black woman taking no shit from anyone" stereotype prove itself true
It's not just her, it's been her support team so far. Quick fire responses to conservatives and hopping on gen z memes. It feels like her and her team aren't afraid to ruffle feathers, and it's about time.
Your candor is refreshing to see on an online forum, thank you for that.
Everyone on the democratic side, Biden fan or not, likely had known that the move to have him not run again had a lot of inherent risk of plunging the whole party into chaos. What I and others didn't realize was that this debacle was obscuring what everybody clearly wanted to avoid, an authoritarian Trump presidency, leaving us all in despair. Having someone who could get ol' Don's knickers in a twist will be a great uniting force for the party and democracy lovers everywhere, and is a source of hope we were all long overdue for.
This is what I was afraid of too, all the calls for Biden to drop out but no one was talking about next steps. Now possibly, for good reason, they were already in the works behind closed doors and already had this plan. That being said, I was nervous as hell right up until all the fundraising numbers came in and the jabs started.
Better to eat crow than the shit we'd be forced to swallow in a second trump term! Forreal though, thank you for coming out and saying it.
Nobody needs to say "I told ya so" but clearly things are moving in an energetic direction, and those of us that are sane in this country should all be pleased! Keep dunking on the fascists and speaking the obvious truth to these morons!
What's the crow thing about?
That means to admit being wrong about something.
By far, the most delicious crow I've ever eaten.
Same, I was mostly worried about doing it so close to the election, but Kamela is knocking it out of the park so far
Love to see it lol, she knows what she's doing
Yep, same position from me. I was wrong. Kamala is looking great. I'm still really fearful and there's an awful lot of misogyny and racism to overcome yet, but she needs Democrats to turn up and vote and independents to switch to her in swing states and that's how she's can get it. The racists and misogynists weren't ever going to vote Democratic anyway, Trump is their guy through and through.
Honesly one reason kamala is more acceptable to me after biden is she has been part of the administration that put out such a great term and I think one reason it was great was from lessons biden learned from being obama's vp. I don't view it as eating crow because I was not zealotly against his stepdown just basically against it. Whats done is done and move ahead. Don't pick my gov for vp though as we need him in the state and he is to good and im scared to gamble on not getting someone as good to replace him.
Biden had a job to do. Stop the boat from rocking. And he did a pretty damn good job of it. I wish he had been able to "job done" and step aside so the Dems could have had real primaries. But wishes ain't nothing. This isn't the worst result of that target fixation.
This sudden move has created such a surge in interest that the results may turn out better than if a normal primary happened. (As far as not watching a fascist dismantle our government)
Yeah, in a way, Kamala coming out winning already and fighting has saved all the arguments and Dem on Dem fighting that would have come had Biden stepped down earlier in time for the primaries. It has focussed minds and they've been united pretty much instantly.
Can I borrow some of that crow? I was CERTAIN that despite his obvious issues and steadfast refusal to even address them, that Biden stepping out of the race would be the death knell for the US.
Yet here we are and I feel HOPE for the first time in a long time. Kamala feels like she'll be more than just a gatekeeper against fascism in the short term. I'm still nervous because... politicians are still politicians. But her record has been almost overwhelmingly good, even saying back to her time as AG of California.
I have so much, there’s plenty to go around. The good news is that it’s the best tasting crow I’ve ever had.
It isn't over yet, but I will gladly do the same after the election.
I hope Republicans get absolutely crushed to the point that it becomes clear catering to the extremists and conspiracy theorists is not tenable. Then they have 4 years to try to rebuild from the ashes and try to present a reasonable platform instead of something insane.
For sure, though I said the same thing in 2020 and was disappointed at how close it was. Really a terrible reflection on the country.
I hope they are crushed, learn nothing and double down on it by running with Trump again, this time fully campaigning from prison.
Looking forward to 82 year old trump vs Harris 2028
Followed by 86 year old Trump vs, I dunno, Kelly maybe?
2032 Stop the steal! 🪦
There's nothing in the constitution that says a corpse can't run for office. He meets all the requirements.
Trump is there to stay as long as they continue to embrace fascism.
At some point he'll die.
Yes, until he dies. I assume they'll continue to invoke St. Trump afterwards.
https://youtu.be/Crif5E67ar0
I prefer the Republicans offer a reasonable alternative so that Democrats can actually be held accountable. Currently Democrats can engage in insider trading, pass laws that help their stocks, continue to give weapons to war criminals, and you still have to come out in droves to vote for them or the country becomes a Dictatorship.
If Republicans are forced to rebuild and offer someone that isn't going to run the country and everyone's freedoms into the ground, (or better yet completely crash and burn allowing an actual leftist party the chance to be the 2nd party) then Democrats can actually be held accountable if they pass shitty laws.
You want the Republican party to compete with the Democrats by attempting to make things fairer, less corrupt and more honourable than the Democrats?! It's like expecting Biden to be the youthful candidate, Trump to be the honest and rational candidate and Bernie to be the corporate shill all in one.
No, I meant making a 3rd party actually potentially viable
That's really not how your previous post reads to me, apart from the thing in brackets.
The rest of my post was saying I want Republicans to not be a dumpster fire that is going down the fascism hole. They don't need to be "fairer, less corrupt and more honourable than the Democrats," they just need to not be taking away established human rights when they're in power so that not voting for Democrats if they aren't behaving can be a reasonable option.
Fair enough.
I think that as long as winner take all first past the post remains the method here there will never be room for more than 2 parties.
I used to say (and believe) things like this. The fact is, it cannot exist. Reasonable people don't run for office as a Republican, full stop.
https://www.ossoff.senate.gov/press-releases/sens-ossoff-kelly-introduce-bill-banning-stock-trading-by-members-of-congress-2/
I like how you disengenuiously phrase everything. Oh Lordy, I wish the Republicans could force those filthy Democrats to stop their cheating ways, or I swear I'll faint!!
Meanwhile, there are already Democrats who ARE proposing fixes to your little list. LOL, we don't need Republicans to hold Democrats accountable, we need them to vote with the Democrats trying to fix the problems. But good luck with that
Yep. If you're a progressive and you want an actual progressive party, the only way to do that in this current (two party) system, is to shift the Overton Window to the left such that the current Democratic party becomes the center-right party (replacing the far right Republicans entirely), and said new progressive party, the left.
That means voting Democrat (including down ballot, which would be especially important in shifting local politics to the left) for now while continuing to do everything in our power to promote and support progressive candidates.
And this would take several election cycles. The collective ADHD of social media addled brains of Gen Z voters is another massive hurdle. They haven't seemed to grasp yet just how slow things can move in politics (which by itself isn't inherently good or bad).
How do you get them to stay engaged for 12+ years when it may seem like nothing is getting better?
Oh no! I criticised something only most Democrats are doing! That must mean I support Republicans!
At no point did I say Republicans need to hold Democrats responsible. What I said was I want Republicans to present an at least somewhat reasonable alternative so that the voters can hold Democrats responsible without risking the safety of marginalized people.
If 10 Democrats are trying to stop this that's great, the problem is you still have to vote for the 100 other Democrats that are gleefully taking part because the alternative is literal fascism. Democrats don't have to actually try to improve people's lives because what are you going to do, not vote and let the Republicans win?
I would not have expected "I wish there were 2 reasonable candidates to choose from" would be a controversial take, but I suppose American "Politics" is more tribalism than anything else.
What color is the sky in your world?
"I would prefer a functioning democracy"
"What fantasy world are you living in?"
Americans are full on drinking the Kool-aid aren't they?
Republicans being reasonable? Reasonable Republicans holding Democrats responsible? For what?!?!
You're down k hole and experiencing a fever dream.
And it was Flavor-Ade. Get yer shit straight.
What I said was I would prefer if Republicans were a somewhat reasonable option, that wouldn't be taking away people's rights or diving straight in fascism, so that voters could hold Democrats responsible.
Basically, wouldn't it be nice if you didn't have to vote for a Democrat if they didn't follow through on their promises or engaged in unethical behaviour?
Short answer: yes. I'd prefer we move away from a two party system and embrace something like ranked choice or STAR to promote more voices at the table, but that takes away power from both Dems and Repubs, so it ain't happening anytime soon.
That sounds great too. The person I was originally replying to said they hoped Trump lost and continued to be the candidate for the next couple of elections, which would not lead to a more stable or functioning democracy. (No third party has a chance when there's a risk of actual fascism if the Republican's win.)
Let the Tories in the UK be a terrible warning for them.
Let the American voters follow the example of the UK's voters this year!
They haven't been reasonable since Nixon
I think the party would destroy itself long before they become introspective enough to straighten their shit out.
This isn't just a political party we're talking about, it's essentially a cult. Maybe not every Trump voter is in that deep, but enough are to cause a serious schism in the party.
I just hope that this time, the allegedly anti-Trump Republicans have the balls (or lady-nuts) to actually say/do something rather than falling in line and kissing the ring.
Unless we're still talking Russian kompromat... If that's the case, whatever they have on these people must be truly horrific.
Agreed, and wow, you can really sense the working cognitive function, I have to admit. Especially when only one of the candidates has it now.
If she doesn’t you know there are a lot of people who don’t care if a fascist wins. There’s no way Trump can win this if the people show up to vote.
I guess you didn't see the article about her statement regarding Israel/Palestine.
Already got the "totally a progressive who wouldn't vote for Biden because they just learned Palestine exists" concern trolls to make sure everyone knows that she lost their support already 🙄
What could go wrong now? The left is notorious for abandoning its leaders for the smallest mistakes.
Could it happen?
What left?
He thinks Dems are left 😂
I'm just a normal human being that uses words in normal human context and not like a demented psychopath that needs to define each meaning for every possible dumbass who thinks they are smart.
No I don't think they are particularly left, but they are left in relation to the other party and they are considered to be the left for that very reason (at least!).
Again, you are embarrassing yourself with comments like that. You are like a little child that listens to a teacher and tries to find bizarre situations in which what the teacher says is not true. Its pointless and dumb.
Bye.
Truly artistic.
Being left of something doesn't make it left.
EXACTLY! Hitler is left of Trump. Hitler is not left.
A rather large majority says the democratic party is the left. That is why I used the word, not because I wanted to talk what they are and what they aren't. That is how normal people usually do. Normal people don't nitpick about every single word and try to deconstruct them to find faults when the topic is something else.
Which people say they are left? I'm not nitpicking, you are fundamentally wrong about using the term. It wasn't a throwaway word, it is essential to the meaning of your post, and this incorrect. You can't expect to throw disparaging remarks around when your understanding is not right.
I am 100% not wrong about using the term. Words don't mean whatever you decide they mean.
Which people say they are the left? Almost everyone. If you do a poll and ask all Americans, no, everyone in the world which is the left party and which is the right, what do you think you will get? Maybe you think numbers don't matter? They do where words and meanings come into place. Maybe you think her policies are not sufficiently to the left for your taste? Though.
What disparaging remarks? That the left - meaning the democratic party with all it's progressive and less progressive individuals together with other leftist parties are their own worst enemy?
What a bloody contraversial statement! Nobody in history every said something so disparaging. Let's attack this guy on all angles for this crazy statement.
This is truly amazing and at mindnumbingly boring at the same time.
Repeating yourself doesn't make you right. You are still very very wrong.
I think we both know that is not the case. But ego. Thats fine.
Take it easy. Seriously, chill.
I'm very chill. You are still wrong.
... cool. Bye.
My left nut dumbass.
Exactly. No matter how far you lean to the right, your left nut is always left
I couldn't say it better myself! Some trolls will go out of their way to find a reason for insults over a single insignificant word. Wether that reason is linguistic or ideological or just pointless in every way.
You could say the most benign banal thing and they will jump on it like crazy people. It's normal, it's Internet, but it's also sad.
Looks at Clinton.... Looks at JFK.... Looks at Jimmy Carter...
What the fuck are you even talking about? I can think of a lot of small mistakes that could have ruined any of the examples I provided but they are all LEFT heroes.
I'm sorry you are offended and agitated for some reason, I have no idea why. There is even a saying that the far right is the leftist second biggest enemy, right after another leftist they only share 95% of opinions with.
They asked you a valid question - what are some significant examples of what you are talking about? They gave examples of the opposite of what youre saying being true.
What examples did they show? A president who was not reelected? Someone who was almost impeached?
So you have no examples of your own. Got it.
Not for trolls, thank you.
Bye.
"I lost the argument but am incapable of admitting it" = "you are a troll"
Lol.
When they take the memes and four-panel comics seriously
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