I think you overestimate the standards of swingers, who often are not especially attractive, but will groom themselves to seem more attractive than they are when they're hitting on people outside their circle.
Granted, you have to be attractive to get into Hollywood swinging parties, and especially rich swingers will look for less-rich young hot people to populate their swinging parties (usually with a personal interest in having a chance to smash that) but for the rest of usthemus them, they want to to look slightly better than the Elephant Man, but do come clean, relatively well groomed (mind your nails, please) and if you can afford to dress nice, please do so. (No one denied access due to lack of funds.)
Far more important than being good looking in the alt-sex communities I've experienced has been attitude and personality. This is one place that my own vampiric obsession with consent has really served me well.
Swinging parties on cruises may be different. There is absolutely a phenomenon in which poor, antisocial behavior that parallels aristocratic problems, becomes distressingly common on cruises. (Note, I've never been on a cruise, but have affluent parents who do, and can be snobbish themselves. From what I've read about cruise experiences, they sound dreadful in their opulence, hazards and wastefulness during a global pollution crisis) But then, cruises are expensive, and so the Venn diagram of obnoxious cruise passengers and affluent folk who are obnoxious off-cruise as well has a large area of intersection.
Far more important than being good looking in the alt-sex communities I've experienced has been attitude and personality.
Can confirm. Been part of local kink communities, and I've seen a few dudes about 2.5 steps up from the elephant man trimmed all to hell because dude had a great personality and knew how to use his implements. I don't consider myself to be the best looking, but I don't have any trouble for the same reason.
Swinging parties on cruises may be different. There is absolutely a phenomenon in which poor, antisocial behavior that parallels aristocratic problems, becomes distressingly common on cruises.
In my experience, that's swinging parties, and to a lesser extent, the underlying culture in itself in a lot of places.
In a previous life, our local kink and swinging scenes shared a building with connected event spaces, and any time there were overlapping events, consent issues inevitably cropped up. We constantly had complaints about people grabbing others or walking into scenes (and we had to not laugh when they inevitably got hit and complained about their lack of situational awareness).
who often are not especially attractive, but will groom themselves to seem more attractive than they are
They take care of their appearance? Talk about false advertising, I only consider sexual partners who look hot after they took a dive in liquid manure!
I dated a woman in the "Life style". We went to a Xmas party that was "chocolate" (sex allowed) vs. "vanilla".
Let me tell you .. there were plenty of middle aged, normal or even lesser quality attractiveness. (IMO). I'm not Hollywood grade by any means.
It was literally just a big holiday bash with very average people with the added twist of random double BJ in the middle of the kitchen.
Heh, the community I was in often had munches at a private house so that scenes and demonstrations could happen ad hoc when participants couldn't resist. Munches are typically held at neutral locations like cafés or restaurants so that no one feels at a disadvantage, and more intimate encounters would have to be scheduled for later (or occur after the meet at someone's home).
So the possibility that people might get laid on site added a particular je ne sais quoi, and a particular risk, to the occasion.
Do you sit at the bar and wear pineapple swim trunks? That'd probably help
Spending a lot of time at the bar is the key. It also depends on what kind of cruise you're on. If you're on a family cruise the odds are way down.
But the people who proposition you aren't always going to be the people you'd want to have a threesome with.
Are pineapple swim trunks the code for availability to swing?
This wouldn't be the first clothing code I've encountered.
Pineapples specifically are the code for availability to swing. A pineapple print Hawaiian shirt would also work. If you see a house with a bunch of pineapple decor, they might be a swinger. Or they might just really like pineapples. Regardless, I personally can't look at the ubiquitous summer pineapple decor for sale in stores the same way I did before I knew about swingers and pineapples.
Sometimes it's hard to tell if they like pineapples or swingers, but if you see an upside down pineapple, they're swingers. Thats just usually not an option on clothing
same here, I think we should be sad in some ways
The Disney cruises are the worst. It started normal, but then i found my girlfriend got fucking Goofy.
Well, gawrsh!
I found my girlfriend got fuh-hyucking Goofy.
Time to book a cruise.
They have whole cruises specifically for swingers
This comment has triggered me to make a relevant asklemmy post. brb
Aren’t swingers looking to trade partners? Not do 3ways without the other usual consenting person knowing?
That's partner swapping, or wife swapping in the mid 20th century, which is a subset of swinging. Plenty of swinging is bunches of people in a pile, or mingling and pairing. They're supposed to be consent and boundary conscious, but are not always (especially when booze or drugs get involved) which is the primary source of sore feelings and getting uninvited to future events.
Okay I read all the comments and none seem to explain enough about the subject. However all seems to indicate that upside down pineapple shorts may make it easier for a swinger to come invite us to have chocolate with them.
I bet the science people that study riots n stuff are so excited to do science study stuff about this
Whoa, whoa, there's riot science? Man I've been taking the wrong courses.
"Riot science" sounds metal as fuck.
New industrial metal band
Take a look at Mehdi Moussaid’s work. a French guy studying mobs, how people act like fluids in high number. Riots are just a part of it.
You may find videos on YT, automatically translated I guess.
I've read similar ideas about traffic acting like fluid in a pipe. I suppose starlings and those big schools of fish probably have some similarities, too
L.
maybe try sociology? sounds like something they'd do (the science, probably not the riots)
Maybe some rioters pondered Orbs and went insane.
Why am I imagining two 30-person polycules rumbling over one (or more) unethical hookup between them?
Also: how does the legality of physical assault work in international waters? I would love to see Legal Eagle take this one on.
60-person brawl [...] 5 different floors
Honestly, that's kind of epic. It has the makings of a movie with this many people and locations. Maybe even a Knives Out sequel.
Jurisdiction can be tricky when it comes to cruise ships. In general the party that has jurisdiction will be determined based on the location of the ship at the time the crime is committed.
For example, if the assault occurs while the ship is at port, the authorities of that port will have jurisdiction over the crime. Countries within 12 nautical miles of the ship also have jurisdiction.
So what happens if the ship is at sea when the assault occurs? Jurisdiction will fall to the ship's registered country. With jurisdiction being determined primarily based on location, it's extremely important that you have a skilled cruise injury lawyer on your side to ensure you receive fair treatment and that justice is obtained.
A lot of cruise ships are registered to countries that aren't really able to deal with this sort of thing.
I'll take a Norwegian cruise. When I get into a brawl, they'll sentence me to a free community college course.
Not a lawyer. But I think you ea. Do whatever the fuck you want in international waters.
The first rule of Fight Cruise is you do not talk about Fight Cruise.
I want a battle royale movie where the villian tricks a bunch of people onto a cruise boat and forces them to fight to the death. The finale can be one of the major winner contenders capsizing the boat to win the game
The frail looking underdog is seen only barely surviving and escaping all major fights, only to make it to the bridge and capsize the ship after revealing they've been busy sabotaging the lifeboats
She said the guests were “ignorant fools acting stupid” and praised the cruise ship’s security for how they handled the fight, saying the dispute could have been a lot worse.
I'd watch that movie. No forced battle royale, no video-game villain. Just a comedy that slowly goes completely off the rails for an escalating clusterfuck of fight sequences.
Avoid viewer fatigue by repeatedly looping back to the inciting incident and how it spread through different portions of the ship. You'd get the first go with the central cast and a knock-down, drag-out, slapstick fight between a handful of dudes, until their dramatic showdown in the middle of the ballroom is interrupted by a completely different mob of people getting chased through, and a straight-up swordfight on the balconies, and someone falling onto the dancefloor from god-knows-where. Rewind to where the main guys crossed paths with a different tour group and set off a misunderstanding that escalates into throwing food and then shoes and then cutlery. When that debacle plows into the ballroom, rewind again, and follow another short film about things getting wildly out of hand.
I'm picturing the Oldboy hallway scene, but with Zach Galifianakas wielding a pool noodle against fifty angry parents.
Could it be described as a blitz? That maybe started in the ballroom?
More of a murder on the dance floor.
Better not kill the groove
Reads like a "family guy" scene.
Or the end of Blazing Saddles
Another user posted the Peter v. Chicken video.
This person presumably pronounces the H in "hour".
My mom says hwite.
Old people seem to always pronounce the h before a w.
Hwat?
Hwo?
Hwen?
This is not what the French intended for us to do with their language
I love humans. This is hilarious
Like a Dragon IW promotion campaign goes hard.
Is this the remake of the Double Dragon movie we've all been waiting for? I mean, an all out brawl through 5 floors of the ship sounds straight out of a videogame
The polycules are fiiightiiiing
Like Stadium Stampede, but on a boat. I'm shocked that hasn't already happened at AEW.
Everyone I know who has went on a cruise has told me the same thing: you will be propositioned by swingers.
What if you can't pass rule 1: be attractive and rule 2: don't be unattractive?
Edit: Asking for a friend.
You will not be propositioned by swingers.
But I’ve never been propositioned by swingers on a cruise….wait a minute….
Hi, excuse me. Hello, yes, hi. I have a proposition for you. Meet me at the city park—specifically the swing set.
Bring protection
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e11dABdwPF8
Idk depends on the swingers
This guy swings
I think you overestimate the standards of swingers, who often are not especially attractive, but will groom themselves to seem more attractive than they are when they're hitting on people outside their circle.
Granted, you have to be attractive to get into Hollywood swinging parties, and especially rich swingers will look for less-rich young hot people to populate their swinging parties (usually with a personal interest in having a chance to smash that) but for the rest of
usthemusthem, they want to to look slightly better than the Elephant Man, but do come clean, relatively well groomed (mind your nails, please) and if you can afford to dress nice, please do so. (No one denied access due to lack of funds.)Far more important than being good looking in the alt-sex communities I've experienced has been attitude and personality. This is one place that my own vampiric obsession with consent has really served me well.
Swinging parties on cruises may be different. There is absolutely a phenomenon in which poor, antisocial behavior that parallels aristocratic problems, becomes distressingly common on cruises. (Note, I've never been on a cruise, but have affluent parents who do, and can be snobbish themselves. From what I've read about cruise experiences, they sound dreadful in their opulence, hazards and wastefulness during a global pollution crisis) But then, cruises are expensive, and so the Venn diagram of obnoxious cruise passengers and affluent folk who are obnoxious off-cruise as well has a large area of intersection.
Can confirm. Been part of local kink communities, and I've seen a few dudes about 2.5 steps up from the elephant man trimmed all to hell because dude had a great personality and knew how to use his implements. I don't consider myself to be the best looking, but I don't have any trouble for the same reason.
In my experience, that's swinging parties, and to a lesser extent, the underlying culture in itself in a lot of places.
In a previous life, our local kink and swinging scenes shared a building with connected event spaces, and any time there were overlapping events, consent issues inevitably cropped up. We constantly had complaints about people grabbing others or walking into scenes (and we had to not laugh when they inevitably got hit and complained about their lack of situational awareness).
They take care of their appearance? Talk about false advertising, I only consider sexual partners who look hot after they took a dive in liquid manure!
I dated a woman in the "Life style". We went to a Xmas party that was "chocolate" (sex allowed) vs. "vanilla".
Let me tell you .. there were plenty of middle aged, normal or even lesser quality attractiveness. (IMO). I'm not Hollywood grade by any means.
It was literally just a big holiday bash with very average people with the added twist of random double BJ in the middle of the kitchen.
Heh, the community I was in often had munches at a private house so that scenes and demonstrations could happen ad hoc when participants couldn't resist. Munches are typically held at neutral locations like cafés or restaurants so that no one feels at a disadvantage, and more intimate encounters would have to be scheduled for later (or occur after the meet at someone's home).
So the possibility that people might get laid on site added a particular je ne sais quoi, and a particular risk, to the occasion.
I have been on several and never encountered this
Do you sit at the bar and wear pineapple swim trunks? That'd probably help
Spending a lot of time at the bar is the key. It also depends on what kind of cruise you're on. If you're on a family cruise the odds are way down.
But the people who proposition you aren't always going to be the people you'd want to have a threesome with.
Are pineapple swim trunks the code for availability to swing?
This wouldn't be the first clothing code I've encountered.
Pineapples specifically are the code for availability to swing. A pineapple print Hawaiian shirt would also work. If you see a house with a bunch of pineapple decor, they might be a swinger. Or they might just really like pineapples. Regardless, I personally can't look at the ubiquitous summer pineapple decor for sale in stores the same way I did before I knew about swingers and pineapples.
Sometimes it's hard to tell if they like pineapples or swingers, but if you see an upside down pineapple, they're swingers. Thats just usually not an option on clothing
same here, I think we should be sad in some ways
The Disney cruises are the worst. It started normal, but then i found my girlfriend got fucking Goofy.
Well, gawrsh!
Time to book a cruise.
They have whole cruises specifically for swingers
This comment has triggered me to make a relevant asklemmy post. brb
edit: https://lemmy.autism.place/post/142327
Aren’t swingers looking to trade partners? Not do 3ways without the other usual consenting person knowing?
That's partner swapping, or wife swapping in the mid 20th century, which is a subset of swinging. Plenty of swinging is bunches of people in a pile, or mingling and pairing. They're supposed to be consent and boundary conscious, but are not always (especially when booze or drugs get involved) which is the primary source of sore feelings and getting uninvited to future events.
Okay I read all the comments and none seem to explain enough about the subject. However all seems to indicate that upside down pineapple shorts may make it easier for a swinger to come invite us to have chocolate with them.
I bet the science people that study riots n stuff are so excited to do science study stuff about this
Whoa, whoa, there's riot science? Man I've been taking the wrong courses.
"Riot science" sounds metal as fuck.
New industrial metal band
Take a look at Mehdi Moussaid’s work. a French guy studying mobs, how people act like fluids in high number. Riots are just a part of it.
You may find videos on YT, automatically translated I guess.
I've read similar ideas about traffic acting like fluid in a pipe. I suppose starlings and those big schools of fish probably have some similarities, too L.
maybe try sociology? sounds like something they'd do (the science, probably not the riots)
Maybe some rioters pondered Orbs and went insane.
Why am I imagining two 30-person polycules rumbling over one (or more) unethical hookup between them?
Also: how does the legality of physical assault work in international waters? I would love to see Legal Eagle take this one on.
Honestly, that's kind of epic. It has the makings of a movie with this many people and locations. Maybe even a Knives Out sequel.
Split-screen simultaneous brawling action.
Someone get Guy Ritchie on the phone.
https://www.marlaw.com/maritime-personal-injury/cruise-ship-injuries/assault-on-a-cruise-ship/
A lot of cruise ships are registered to countries that aren't really able to deal with this sort of thing.
I'll take a Norwegian cruise. When I get into a brawl, they'll sentence me to a free community college course.
Yeah. Put it on the mountain of reasons not to go on a cruise ship.
Not a lawyer. But I think you ea. Do whatever the fuck you want in international waters.
The first rule of Fight Cruise is you do not talk about Fight Cruise.
I want a battle royale movie where the villian tricks a bunch of people onto a cruise boat and forces them to fight to the death. The finale can be one of the major winner contenders capsizing the boat to win the game
The frail looking underdog is seen only barely surviving and escaping all major fights, only to make it to the bridge and capsize the ship after revealing they've been busy sabotaging the lifeboats
No way would there be life boats.
I see the flaw in my logic
dwarf fortress loyalty cascade
Boatmurdered.
Looks like it was probably this one in 2022. There’s video in the link https://globalnews.ca/news/8959176/carnival-cruise-brawl-video/
Heh
Found the footage of the fight
Legitimately the first thing that jumped to the front of my head upon reading the phrase "spread to 5 different floors"
I've not even clicked the link, and think I can hear the music
Edit: it was the music
More footage.
God dammit I got got so bad
I'd watch that movie. No forced battle royale, no video-game villain. Just a comedy that slowly goes completely off the rails for an escalating clusterfuck of fight sequences.
Avoid viewer fatigue by repeatedly looping back to the inciting incident and how it spread through different portions of the ship. You'd get the first go with the central cast and a knock-down, drag-out, slapstick fight between a handful of dudes, until their dramatic showdown in the middle of the ballroom is interrupted by a completely different mob of people getting chased through, and a straight-up swordfight on the balconies, and someone falling onto the dancefloor from god-knows-where. Rewind to where the main guys crossed paths with a different tour group and set off a misunderstanding that escalates into throwing food and then shoes and then cutlery. When that debacle plows into the ballroom, rewind again, and follow another short film about things getting wildly out of hand.
I'm picturing the Oldboy hallway scene, but with Zach Galifianakas wielding a pool noodle against fifty angry parents.
Could it be described as a blitz? That maybe started in the ballroom?
More of a murder on the dance floor.
Better not kill the groove
Reads like a "family guy" scene.
Or the end of Blazing Saddles
Another user posted the Peter v. Chicken video.
This person presumably pronounces the H in "hour".
My mom says hwite.
Old people seem to always pronounce the h before a w.
Hwat? Hwo? Hwen?
This is not what the French intended for us to do with their language
I love humans. This is hilarious
Like a Dragon IW promotion campaign goes hard.
Is this the remake of the Double Dragon movie we've all been waiting for? I mean, an all out brawl through 5 floors of the ship sounds straight out of a videogame
The polycules are fiiightiiiing
Like Stadium Stampede, but on a boat. I'm shocked that hasn't already happened at AEW.