Because people didn't dress up as mermaids and go to cons and express how deep down inside they truly are a mermaid, and have a high likelihood of fucking someone else who also felt the same way.
Not all furries believe themselves to be or want to be animals. It's a simple interest in anthropomorphic animal art. You're thinking of therians.
I don't think many people had "a thing" for mermaids though. It was just another human creature with boobs. I don't think most people thought about it any deeper than that
It's always a minority thing. Just like with furries.
Not to be confused with therians, a taxonomic group.
Uh... I hate to tell you this but people absolutely dress as mermaids and do conventions... There's a whole home industry of people who make custom silicon tails.
Dunno what to tell yeh mate, it's about as oldif not older than Furry culture. Weeki Watchee springs started a whole thing with their Mermaid shows and the subculture basically took off from like the early 60's... And was probably about as horny as a lot of other subcultures that started around the same time.
Huh. New kink unlocked.
I happened to be staying in Key West at the same time as a convention. There absolutely are people who believe they are mermaids.
To be fair, I think people looked at the folks who were into mermaids as outlandish too. "Been around for a long time" doesn't mean the same thing as "totally accepted socially".
But weren't mermaids seen as dangerous, irresistible sirens also. So the blame was on the evil mermaid, not the person.
Shaggy the pirate over here
Picture this, we were both butt naked, banging on the sea bed floor.
She caught me with the flounder
Wasn't me
Saw us making chowder
Wasn't me
I came to say this. When has being with a mermaid been an acceptable thing. Furries are much more accepted I think than that just in numbers alone.
I mean, the point of a mermaid isn't that it's a sexy looking fish, it's that other than its tail, it looks like beautiful human women. In some stories, sailors don't even realize they're taking to mermaids because their tails are underwater. Also, mermaids were generally considered bad omens or malicious entities, and when they did seduce humans, it was usually to kill them, so it's not like the folklore was very pro-mermaid sex.
Somebody saying "I am a mermaid" would be looked at strangely too.
And dressing as a mermaid and going to mermaid convention to fuck other mermaids.
That would be strange. Mermaids don't fuck each other, they get famously fucked by sailors.
I was more thinking of Melanie's Milk of the Siren (Warning: depiction of rape, revenge, and gore, not necessarily in that order. I don't normally give off warnings, but this video goes 0-100 REAL fucking fast).
I don't think a sexy woman saying she's a mermaid would get strange looks.
Furries aren't as recent as people tend to think either I might point out, the subculture has existed in some form since like the 80s to my understanding, it's just more popular and visible these days.
We had a general fen con in the area that was known for two large groups. furries and klingons. furries grew so big they did their own dedicated con. to bad because we had two dance rooms and the fur one had the ac maxed. was so great. dance in the regular one till you are sweating like a pig then move to the fur one.
A lot longer than that. Let me dig and see if I can find the reply someone sent me a while ago
Oh I mean, yeah, anthro characters are probably older than civilization, but I meant the furry fandom as a specific subculture rather than specifically the subject it is centered around.
Being with a mermaid is also an outlandish idea
I was gonna make a joke that it's also an idea that's on so many street corners and coffee cups. However after googling I found out that it's a siren on the Starbucks logo and not a mermaid. My joke fails on both humour and fact.
What is a siren, but a mermaid?
there are different depictions of sirens. most commonly they are depicted as creatures similar to harpies. the mermaid form is second most common i think.
I went to dragon con one year, people were dressed in all sorts of costumes even though it's not a furry con. And I know the hotels where the con is are incredibly hard to book. That said just once I want some senior executive to accidently book a room in one because he has some meeting with a potential client of something and just so happen to click it at the right time.
He shows up and is completely bewildered by all the people in costumes. "you'll never believe it mark. I rode down the elevator with a robot and I swear to God... Tiny from Bob's burgers"
My partner went to a convention in another city. He was caught off guard by the number of dudes in leather and fetishwear that he saw around the hotel when he first arrived but just thought the city must have a diverse and adventurous night life.
The next morning on his way out he spotted a poster, it was "The Bear Ball" weekend, some disco themed big gay guy event, and the hotel he was in was the headquarters, which explains why most of the other attendants of his conference were being housed in a different hotel.
He said he had some great people watching for the next couple days.
You should be a TV writer.
I mean, the mermaid is missing the part I like the most...
Probably because furries are a fetish and mermaids come from mythology
50% of mythology is just fetish, just check out Greek mythology. People most definitely masturbated to mythology in the past based on the amount of fetish oozing out of the stories.
You can't tell me the ancient Greek equivalent to furries didn't think Zeus transforming into animals and fucking was hot.
Can confirm. Watching 50 Shades of Greek told me way too many aspects of the Greek mythology. The Intro alone sums it up perfectly.
Mermaids mythology originated as sailors' fetish.
Probably because old folks know that mermaids are a myth and don't identify as mermaids ( although ai think I saw a docuseries about a 30ish year old thinking he was one)
Where as furries bleed the line between what might be fetish realm, and what might be some people actually believing/thinking they are a furry animal--which would be considered a delusion.
My brother in Christ, werewolves existed for at least 150 years and shape shifting goes back hundreds more. A beast that becomes a person... What could that possibly be for? A person becoming a beast is easy and the not weird part of folk history that didn't upset any kind of established morals. Violence is a part of life. Hot wolf dick that escapes into the night after making sweaty sheets? More difficult to keep as an oral tradition. Well, in stories at least.
Egyptian and Mesopotamian ruins are full of furry pics, it's literally the oldest fandom in the world.
Wouldn't a mermaid be called a scaley?
Nope, different nerd culture entirely. Seriously, they have their own conventions, instead of fursuits they do custom silicone tails and train to swim in them, have contests and pagents and things. There's basically no overlap between the two communities. Scaleys are folk in the fursuit community who do dragon and lizard personas.
I have odd connections. Being in the film industry I have friends through props depts who do furry cons and one of my coworkers does underwater photography for people in the Mermaid subculture.
Fucking a fish is ok. I come from a long line of fish fuckers. My father fucked fish, his father did too. It's those sheep fuckers you cant trust.
You from Innsmouth?
Aye, right near the beach boy-ee!
blackout! someone told me you were dead?
Not dead, been busy doing "something"
oh yeah, im sorry. they said you sleep with the fishes. checks out.
Now ask them about reversed mermaid
Being a furry is not common. What's not common is treated as strange and potentionally harmful.
Being a furry is not common
The number of children who identify as a furry in your local grade school would shock you.
Yes, you're right, preschool and grade school children do identify as animals a lot and they're often not ashamed to express it, because it's much more tolerated at that age. It's viewed as wierd in adults though and it's much more rare among adult people. Probably partially because it's a juvenile trait and most people just grow out of that phase , partially because it's viewed as juvenile (and wierd), so many of those who do not grow out of it are afraid to express it. I find it harmless, so I wish for more tolerance.
I would say that if anyone is upset about an older furry, then that person is living proof that furry is a sexualised fetish. Why else would it upset them?
Bist because the idea is older doesn't make it any less weird.
I personally don't really care that much, but I guess this is mostly about "living stuff out openly" vs. "keeping your fetish in non-public spaces".
Yes, there are public mermaid events, but I don't think those are perceived as less weird.
It's like one of those irregular verbs. I've got a cool fantasy, you're a pervert, he's in jail, etc.
Because a lot of furry hate is just socially acceptable homophobia.
...TIL furries have any relation to gay people (except I don't actually believe they do)
There is a significantly higher proportion of LGBTQ+ representation within the furry community than the general populace, and it makes sense why. Fursonas are another way to explore sexual and gender identities in a safe way, and furry communities tend to be pretty accepting places.
This is just my opinion, but I see kink in the furry community criticized the same way I see kink at Pride events criticized.
I don't know what you mean using "kink" this way, but the general population is not aware of this connection and thus it would only be a coincidence if what you're saying is true. I mean, furries are kinda weird but I don't get why they're even a topic. I've never met one and I doubt I will. Being gay is probably ten times more common.
You are right, but a lot of the roots of furry criticism do tend to be queerphobic in origin. It's just something to recognize.
I'm using kink in a pretty generic way because a lot of the criticisms of furries relate to sex (e.g. beastiality or pedophilia), and thus any depiction of kink (like bondage gear) is used to demonize them that it's a fetish (and one that is coming for your children.)
That might be fair in some contexts but I think most people would only make any connection to beastiality, which is probably fair, no? The whole thing is dressing up like an animal and it's confusing for most people who don't do it.
A furry is someone that identifies with anthropomorphic animal characters (or sometimes just animal characteristics). No dressing up required. Now, a lot of the people that go to cons tend to have more money, so you will see more fursuits and such, but most furries do not dress up.
TIL. I first heard of furries like 10 years ago and hadn't ever known this. I thought the entire thing was dressing up.
I used to as well until I looked into it, which is why I now know way, way more than anyone really needs to (there is... a lot.) Anyway, figured I'd explain just in case. You didn't seem like you had bad intentions, so thanks for being understanding.
Thanks for the info. I do appreciate the assumption that I was coming in good faith. So often people assume the opposite based on one comment that they misunderstand!
Correlation does not signal causation
I'm not sure I understand how that applies here or changes what I posted.
I would explain, but i don't feel like typing
You do know that being gay and being furry ain't mutually exclusive right, but I guess whatever justification you can find for letting your true feelings out.
Might wanna practice reading more carefully. I just said they are two separate and unrelated things. And here you are acting like I said they are one and the same and in a homophobic way or something. Bizarre.
I don't think it's forbidden knowledge that a large portion of furries are LGBT. Don't know why you're calling them unrelated.
At no point did I say anything insulting. Claiming that two groups aren't one and the same isn't hateful, and it's frankly weird you're trying to twist my words into that. Whoever hurt you is not me.
Claiming that two groups aren't one and the same isn't hateful,
Kinda is though. Trying to remove the LGBT aspect from a group largely consisting of LGBT.
This is so dumb. Please leave me alone
Happily. You homophobic prick
What you're saying doesn't even make sense at all. You literally have no fucking clue what I was saying.
But you showed your true colors
separate and unrelated
P(Person is queer | Person is furry) > P(Person is queer), therefore these are not separate and unrelated
So because I am white and a male, I guess you can't say anything about what it means to be male without that applying to white women too? Do you actually speak English or what?
I have no clue what you're trying to say. How many women are men?
Exactly zero, because (excluding certain trans identities for the purpose of simplification) there is no intersection between the two groups. Talking about what it means to be a men doesn't involve a single woman, therefore it doesn't apply to them.
Hating a primarily queer subgroup has very much homophobic implications, the same way the war on drugs is obviously racist:
We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or Black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and Blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities
A certain honest man
The analogy was straightforward. My whiteness apparently makes me the same as every other white person. You're trying to find something that isn't here, at all
"I don't hate group ABC. I just hate group XYZ that happens to be almost solely composed of members of ABC."
Next you will be arguing why hating blues, jazz and rap with every fibre of your being isn't racist.
And to further show why your analogy doesn't work:
P(Person being white | Person being male) = P(Person being white).
Being white and being male is unrelated and separate (<=> statistically independent), unlike being a furry and being queer which is actually related as mentioned earlier.
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I don't think the broader populace has any link between the two of them in their minds.
Because people didn't dress up as mermaids and go to cons and express how deep down inside they truly are a mermaid, and have a high likelihood of fucking someone else who also felt the same way.
Not all furries believe themselves to be or want to be animals. It's a simple interest in anthropomorphic animal art. You're thinking of therians.
I don't think many people had "a thing" for mermaids though. It was just another human creature with boobs. I don't think most people thought about it any deeper than that
It's always a minority thing. Just like with furries.
Not to be confused with therians, a taxonomic group.
Uh... I hate to tell you this but people absolutely dress as mermaids and do conventions... There's a whole home industry of people who make custom silicon tails.
https://aquamermaid.com/blogs/news/mermaid-convention?srsltid=AfmBOoofN82kC8kQ_774E8rKcE1-Mi9CBZXEfvIqLckEK1cq7bXWHFum
https://www.themernation.com/silicone-tail
Past tense.
Dunno what to tell yeh mate, it's about as oldif not older than Furry culture. Weeki Watchee springs started a whole thing with their Mermaid shows and the subculture basically took off from like the early 60's... And was probably about as horny as a lot of other subcultures that started around the same time.
Huh. New kink unlocked.
I happened to be staying in Key West at the same time as a convention. There absolutely are people who believe they are mermaids.
To be fair, I think people looked at the folks who were into mermaids as outlandish too. "Been around for a long time" doesn't mean the same thing as "totally accepted socially".
But weren't mermaids seen as dangerous, irresistible sirens also. So the blame was on the evil mermaid, not the person.
Shaggy the pirate over here
Picture this, we were both butt naked, banging on the sea bed floor.
She caught me with the flounder
Wasn't me
Saw us making chowder
Wasn't me
I came to say this. When has being with a mermaid been an acceptable thing. Furries are much more accepted I think than that just in numbers alone.
I mean, the point of a mermaid isn't that it's a sexy looking fish, it's that other than its tail, it looks like beautiful human women. In some stories, sailors don't even realize they're taking to mermaids because their tails are underwater. Also, mermaids were generally considered bad omens or malicious entities, and when they did seduce humans, it was usually to kill them, so it's not like the folklore was very pro-mermaid sex.
Somebody saying "I am a mermaid" would be looked at strangely too.
And dressing as a mermaid and going to mermaid convention to fuck other mermaids.
That would be strange. Mermaids don't fuck each other, they get famously fucked by sailors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuMCoWGhsYI
I was more thinking of Melanie's Milk of the Siren (Warning: depiction of rape, revenge, and gore, not necessarily in that order. I don't normally give off warnings, but this video goes 0-100 REAL fucking fast).
I don't think a sexy woman saying she's a mermaid would get strange looks.
Furries aren't as recent as people tend to think either I might point out, the subculture has existed in some form since like the 80s to my understanding, it's just more popular and visible these days.
We had a general fen con in the area that was known for two large groups. furries and klingons. furries grew so big they did their own dedicated con. to bad because we had two dance rooms and the fur one had the ac maxed. was so great. dance in the regular one till you are sweating like a pig then move to the fur one.
A lot longer than that. Let me dig and see if I can find the reply someone sent me a while ago
Edit: Tracked it down
Oh I mean, yeah, anthro characters are probably older than civilization, but I meant the furry fandom as a specific subculture rather than specifically the subject it is centered around.
Being with a mermaid is also an outlandish idea
I was gonna make a joke that it's also an idea that's on so many street corners and coffee cups. However after googling I found out that it's a siren on the Starbucks logo and not a mermaid. My joke fails on both humour and fact.
What is a siren, but a mermaid?
there are different depictions of sirens. most commonly they are depicted as creatures similar to harpies. the mermaid form is second most common i think.
Sirens depicted as harpies? Source?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siren_(mythology)
Wow. Thank you for that. I didn't know.
There's a difference?
I went to dragon con one year, people were dressed in all sorts of costumes even though it's not a furry con. And I know the hotels where the con is are incredibly hard to book. That said just once I want some senior executive to accidently book a room in one because he has some meeting with a potential client of something and just so happen to click it at the right time.
He shows up and is completely bewildered by all the people in costumes. "you'll never believe it mark. I rode down the elevator with a robot and I swear to God... Tiny from Bob's burgers"
My partner went to a convention in another city. He was caught off guard by the number of dudes in leather and fetishwear that he saw around the hotel when he first arrived but just thought the city must have a diverse and adventurous night life.
The next morning on his way out he spotted a poster, it was "The Bear Ball" weekend, some disco themed big gay guy event, and the hotel he was in was the headquarters, which explains why most of the other attendants of his conference were being housed in a different hotel.
He said he had some great people watching for the next couple days.
You should be a TV writer.
I mean, the mermaid is missing the part I like the most...
You want the other kind of mermaid...
Those are some nice legs...
the fur?
The cloaca?
This seems like a good place to leave this...
Probably because furries are a fetish and mermaids come from mythology
50% of mythology is just fetish, just check out Greek mythology. People most definitely masturbated to mythology in the past based on the amount of fetish oozing out of the stories.
You can't tell me the ancient Greek equivalent to furries didn't think Zeus transforming into animals and fucking was hot.
Can confirm. Watching 50 Shades of Greek told me way too many aspects of the Greek mythology. The Intro alone sums it up perfectly.
Mermaids mythology originated as sailors' fetish.
Probably because old folks know that mermaids are a myth and don't identify as mermaids ( although ai think I saw a docuseries about a 30ish year old thinking he was one) Where as furries bleed the line between what might be fetish realm, and what might be some people actually believing/thinking they are a furry animal--which would be considered a delusion.
My brother in Christ, werewolves existed for at least 150 years and shape shifting goes back hundreds more. A beast that becomes a person... What could that possibly be for? A person becoming a beast is easy and the not weird part of folk history that didn't upset any kind of established morals. Violence is a part of life. Hot wolf dick that escapes into the night after making sweaty sheets? More difficult to keep as an oral tradition. Well, in stories at least.
Egyptian and Mesopotamian ruins are full of furry pics, it's literally the oldest fandom in the world.
Wouldn't a mermaid be called a scaley?
Nope, different nerd culture entirely. Seriously, they have their own conventions, instead of fursuits they do custom silicone tails and train to swim in them, have contests and pagents and things. There's basically no overlap between the two communities. Scaleys are folk in the fursuit community who do dragon and lizard personas.
I have odd connections. Being in the film industry I have friends through props depts who do furry cons and one of my coworkers does underwater photography for people in the Mermaid subculture.
Fucking a fish is ok. I come from a long line of fish fuckers. My father fucked fish, his father did too. It's those sheep fuckers you cant trust.
You from Innsmouth?
Aye, right near the beach boy-ee!
blackout! someone told me you were dead?
Not dead, been busy doing "something"
oh yeah, im sorry. they said you sleep with the fishes. checks out.
Now ask them about reversed mermaid
Being a furry is not common. What's not common is treated as strange and potentionally harmful.
The number of children who identify as a furry in your local grade school would shock you.
Yes, you're right, preschool and grade school children do identify as animals a lot and they're often not ashamed to express it, because it's much more tolerated at that age. It's viewed as wierd in adults though and it's much more rare among adult people. Probably partially because it's a juvenile trait and most people just grow out of that phase , partially because it's viewed as juvenile (and wierd), so many of those who do not grow out of it are afraid to express it. I find it harmless, so I wish for more tolerance.
I would say that if anyone is upset about an older furry, then that person is living proof that furry is a sexualised fetish. Why else would it upset them?
Bist because the idea is older doesn't make it any less weird.
I personally don't really care that much, but I guess this is mostly about "living stuff out openly" vs. "keeping your fetish in non-public spaces".
Yes, there are public mermaid events, but I don't think those are perceived as less weird.
It's like one of those irregular verbs. I've got a cool fantasy, you're a pervert, he's in jail, etc.
Title gore.
Good one, M137
Guy getting with a mermaid is straight.
Mermaids aren't furry.
You say that, but…
Because a lot of furry hate is just socially acceptable homophobia.
...TIL furries have any relation to gay people (except I don't actually believe they do)
There is a significantly higher proportion of LGBTQ+ representation within the furry community than the general populace, and it makes sense why. Fursonas are another way to explore sexual and gender identities in a safe way, and furry communities tend to be pretty accepting places.
This is just my opinion, but I see kink in the furry community criticized the same way I see kink at Pride events criticized.
I don't know what you mean using "kink" this way, but the general population is not aware of this connection and thus it would only be a coincidence if what you're saying is true. I mean, furries are kinda weird but I don't get why they're even a topic. I've never met one and I doubt I will. Being gay is probably ten times more common.
You are right, but a lot of the roots of furry criticism do tend to be queerphobic in origin. It's just something to recognize.
I'm using kink in a pretty generic way because a lot of the criticisms of furries relate to sex (e.g. beastiality or pedophilia), and thus any depiction of kink (like bondage gear) is used to demonize them that it's a fetish (and one that is coming for your children.)
That might be fair in some contexts but I think most people would only make any connection to beastiality, which is probably fair, no? The whole thing is dressing up like an animal and it's confusing for most people who don't do it.
A furry is someone that identifies with anthropomorphic animal characters (or sometimes just animal characteristics). No dressing up required. Now, a lot of the people that go to cons tend to have more money, so you will see more fursuits and such, but most furries do not dress up.
TIL. I first heard of furries like 10 years ago and hadn't ever known this. I thought the entire thing was dressing up.
I used to as well until I looked into it, which is why I now know way, way more than anyone really needs to (there is... a lot.) Anyway, figured I'd explain just in case. You didn't seem like you had bad intentions, so thanks for being understanding.
Thanks for the info. I do appreciate the assumption that I was coming in good faith. So often people assume the opposite based on one comment that they misunderstand!
Correlation does not signal causation
I'm not sure I understand how that applies here or changes what I posted.
I would explain, but i don't feel like typing
You do know that being gay and being furry ain't mutually exclusive right, but I guess whatever justification you can find for letting your true feelings out.
Might wanna practice reading more carefully. I just said they are two separate and unrelated things. And here you are acting like I said they are one and the same and in a homophobic way or something. Bizarre.
I don't think it's forbidden knowledge that a large portion of furries are LGBT. Don't know why you're calling them unrelated.
At no point did I say anything insulting. Claiming that two groups aren't one and the same isn't hateful, and it's frankly weird you're trying to twist my words into that. Whoever hurt you is not me.
Kinda is though. Trying to remove the LGBT aspect from a group largely consisting of LGBT.
This is so dumb. Please leave me alone
Happily. You homophobic prick
What you're saying doesn't even make sense at all. You literally have no fucking clue what I was saying.
But you showed your true colors
P(Person is queer | Person is furry) > P(Person is queer), therefore these are not separate and unrelated
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_probability#Statistical_independence
So because I am white and a male, I guess you can't say anything about what it means to be male without that applying to white women too? Do you actually speak English or what?
I have no clue what you're trying to say. How many women are men?
Exactly zero, because (excluding certain trans identities for the purpose of simplification) there is no intersection between the two groups. Talking about what it means to be a men doesn't involve a single woman, therefore it doesn't apply to them.
Hating a primarily queer subgroup has very much homophobic implications, the same way the war on drugs is obviously racist:
The analogy was straightforward. My whiteness apparently makes me the same as every other white person. You're trying to find something that isn't here, at all
"I don't hate group ABC. I just hate group XYZ that happens to be almost solely composed of members of ABC."
Next you will be arguing why hating blues, jazz and rap with every fibre of your being isn't racist.
And to further show why your analogy doesn't work:
P(Person being white | Person being male) = P(Person being white).
Being white and being male is unrelated and separate (<=> statistically independent), unlike being a furry and being queer which is actually related as mentioned earlier.
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I don't think the broader populace has any link between the two of them in their minds.