Just in case you thought this was only a Florida problem.
It'd be a real shame if all the students who aren't on board with the intent of that law were to request a different name/pronoun at every opportunity to tie up school personnel with notification paperwork (since HB 1608^Full^ ^text,^ ^PDF^ specifies that the notification is to be done in writing). Certainly hope they don't do that or administrators might start complaining to elected officials.
Man I would be requesting a new nickname daily...
“I feel like a ‘Dickhead’ today. Can you please process the formal request for that to be my nickname?”
Daily? I'd be changing my name every class!
Every class? I'd be adding new titles every time someone said my name... 'that's Mr. Anon Beauregard G5 big dick playa the 12th formally known as count dankula, now."
we cou;d go a step further and have a random name generator making a constant flow of new original names every second.
Crippling public schools with meaningless busu work is a happy side affect for the people that came up with these laws. There has been a GOP led war on oublic education for the past 30 years
You think administrators are going to be doing this? That's cute. It would be making teachers' lives horrible. Republicans would be thanking you for driving them insane, making their lives worse, and making them think about quitting so they can continue to take public education funding for private charter schools.
I think there are ways to make shit roll uphill and teenagers are relentless when they find a way to make somebody else miserable.
Not in states without adequate union representation, AKA most red states.
No, I was Bustopher Jones yesterday. Today, I am Jennyanydots.
So here’s what we do: we start a TikTok challenge. “Nickname November” or something like that, where you use a different name every day of the month for maximum confusion. Get a couple classes doing it, especially if there are any trans kids in the school, and you can see how far you can stress the system.
For the schools that require physical signatures, that’ll piss people off right quick. For the ones that just use an automated email and call it a day, toss in a twist: have each student loudly announce their new name at the start of every class, AA style. Heck, get the school announcer in on it. “Chess club on Wednesday has been cancelled, and Squidward Jones is now going by Jackie McJackson Johnstone.”
They want a ridiculous law to be followed? Okay, here you go.
I'm with this in spirit but I don't think I'd encourage that unless I knew one of my kids teachers was lgbtq-phobic. This will be a lot of hassle for a lot of teachers that couldn't give two shits about nicknames and pronouns. Driving them to quit won't change any policies except for policies that push kids into private and charter schools.
If I were a teacher, I'd rather my students did something maliciously compliant than just go along with this idiot policy in silence. Kids have to learn to stand up for what's right sometime, you know? I want the next generation to know that sometimes, authority really, really needs to be questioned.
Any respectable teacher will recognize what the students are doing and support it regardless of any added hassle. As a matter of fact, the teachers supporting the students can use this in support by showing the immense waste of time the R-Small-Government bureaucracy is causing, resulting in less time available to actually teach. A proper protest must disrupt.
I think this assumes that most teachers are otherwise fine and want to go along with it, and also only view themselves as there to transmit data, rather than as role models and sources of love and support for a child.
I live in Indiana…I had to sign a form yesterday allowing teachers to call my son Ben instead of Benjamin. Otherwise it would literally be illegal. Fuck these fascists…
Wow government so small it fits in your pocket, so convenient!
Sorry you have to deal with that bs
Barely an inconvenience for me, I’m enraged for the teachers and students who are being placed in a police state by the republicans. I feel it’s very important for kids to be able to confide in trustworthy adults like a teacher or therapist. They are required by law to report threats of violence or suicide…that’s good enough for me. Imagine if it was mandatory to report if a child discusses their gender or sexuality with you. Seems like that’s where we are headed and that is literally what the Taliban does. Johnny things he might be gay…Jane is having sex. Tell the parents so they can beat or kill them.
To be fair, Indiana basically is Florida, just minus a few alligators.
There's a reason it's called "the northern most southern state".
Those of us who have little choice but to live here call it "The Middle Finger of the South"
non-american here. I knew the conservatives in your country were bad but holy shit
I guarantee there are equally bad conservatives in your country. Keep them very far away from the levers of power.
they've been in power in one way or another since the 50s. mainstream left-wing politics in this country never really had a chance at any point since we became independent. Going back to the McCarthy days of Magsaysay in the 50s, to Martial Law under Marcos of the 70s, to the Post-Arroyo right-wing dominated politics we have today(23 out of the 24 senate seats are currently held by the conservative government, the House of Representatives isn't any better). Some families have been in power in their regions for centuries.
arguably the most leftist government we had was the post-EDSA C. Aquino Government, and even that was led by someone who was arguably part of the aristocracy, and even then her government suffered around 9 loyalist coups in 6 years until her government eventually shifted to the right.
I watched 'Till' last night (if you don't know the story, Emmett Till was lynched when he visited his cousins in Mississippi in the '50s. The murderers were identified by multiple witnesses, but the local jury found them not guilty. Till was a 14 year old black kid whose infraction was telling a white lady she looked like a movie star, and then doing a dog-whistle).
A lot of what was happening back then looks like what is happening to LGBT now. It's wild. They'll keep ramping it up, they aren't anywhere near where they want to be and they have the power and support to make it happen.
Have you seen the Top Gear US South special where they drive from Miami to New Orleans? A bit old now, but still relevant.
A new Indiana law that requires parents to be notified of students' name changes, including nicknames, has caused confusion and annoyance among some parents, while others are angry about the risk it places on transgender students.
(Emphasis mine)
Pretty sure that's the point...
Oh it's definitely the point, but the consequences go way beyond that because the idiots who wanted to be cruel to trans kids didn't actually think anything through.
When cruelty is the point, bonus cruelty isn't a dissuasive argument.
I don't think there's additional cruelty. You can't really compare the danger outing trans kids to the annoyance of requiring to report every mundane nickname a kid requests.
All I'm saying is that they don't care about collateral damage.
It's not a comparison, rather it's a further illustration that it's all about controlling what EVERYONE can or can't do. If anything, if I was a kid in this state, I'd be requesting a new nickname every week, every day, even.
Exactly. "Oh, this impacts kids who want to express some individuality rather than take the ABSOLUTE NAME that their PARENTS ASSIGNED THEM? Good."
They don't want kids going to school and broadening their horizons, they don't classrooms to be places where a kid can ask to be called "DJ" because they're really into hip hop, they want classrooms to be centers of indoctrination to create good little workers. A law that makes the public school experience worse is a win for them.
Sounds like a great way for these kids to learn about civil disobedience. Just file every day for a new name and clog the system to the point of uselessness
My thoughts exactly.
This is what "making america great again" looks like.
Just stupid, idiotic stuff made up by boomers who couldn't log on to anything without all the help in the world.
Another example of Big government Republicans trying to regulate our lives
As if that description doesn't apply to democrats...
When did Democrats claim to be anti-regulation and pro-small government? Because that's what Republicans claim while forever increasing government power.
Like it or not, Republicans push for less business regulations, they've neutered the EPA at least some(as a moderate conservative I'm not necessarily in favor of that one but it's reality) when given the chance,
About the only things that democrats can pin this idea on the Republicans about is abortion and immigration.
The Democrats forced the ACA, which is more regulation and bigger government. Republicans were the ones pushing back on vaccine mandates while Democrats pushed for them.
So ya, I stand by my statement that the op statement is not some unique thing to the Republicans and I think stating that as if it is and then agreeing with it is an example of basing your opinions on feelings and propaganda, not facts and reality.
No, Republicans have the government...
in my uterus
in children's and adult's bathrooms (trans)
filling paperwork for nicknames (trans)
preventing adults from being trans
preventing children from being trans
preventing children from learning the truth about their bodies
deciding any and every parent can demand a school do whatever they want
trying to make it a criminal offense for a librarian or bookseller to loan/sell a child a book called The Bluest Eyes about 1940's racism
yes specifically that book
How is any of that small government?
As for your argument about the ACA, that was created as a bipartisan effort with tons of concessions by Democrats only for Republicans to vote no anyway.
Sure, vaccine mandates. As if we don't have those already and haven't for at least a hundred years. That's new and bigger government.
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Knuckle dragger.
Are you suggesting the Democrats haven't been about bigger government? Are you suggesting that bigger government means more freedom and less regulations? Like, this isn't even all that debatable. I truly don't think you understand the reality of, well, reality if you think this isn't the case.
Course, the far left is all about whats not reality and I bet that's exactly the space you think in. Makes it easy to just spout off whatever nonsense sounds like fits your narrative about the other side and call it intelligent.
Ever heard the idea that when you point at someone you're pointing 3 fingers back at yourself?
For the record, I'd level similar criticisms at the far right and it's narratives as well.
The Joke
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I guess the reality of what the Democratic party has been for the last, oh, 70-80 years at least is irrelevant if we're trying to disparage the Republicans? Way to hive mind yourselves Lemmy...
We get it, in a time no one today was alive to see, a Republican freed the slaves and Democrats hated blacks
And 30 years ago Republicans weren't big government big spenders but here we are. Let's focus on today
The party of small government.
We hate trans people so much, we're adding "Brazil" levels of bureaucracy over something so benign as wanting to use your established nickname at school. I'm sure that's worth everyone's time.
Sorry, but you must provide a valid copy of your ID and proof of residence before you can complain about bureaucracy
I'd most certainly get a call from the school.
"It says on this form that you want your child to go by Deez at school, can you explain?
"Yeah Deez nuts, stop wasting time with this nonsense "
Sadly, it's not the schools fault for the waste of time, it's the fuckle-chucks in the legislature. Every single name change request should be routed to the dumbass that authored the bill, then to every other dumbass that voted in favor of it.
I'm joking of course, but yeah that should be what happens. Worked in the school system and seen that "WTF are you serious?" look in school staff meetings hearing stupid stuff like this get implemented. I actually left because I had enough of dealing with these parents who make this happen and dealing with them was just too much.
Emails, calls, people would come in, they were in the PTA, just always around harassing people over the most petty things. I can't tell you how many grown adults I've seen meltdown in a school front office. The pay sucked, some of the parents were awful , but working with kids was awesome.
Shit like this happens when the people directly affected by it are prevented by law from voting to protect their own interests. It's easy to target people who are routinely denied their right to remove your ass from office for it.
Lower the voting age to 6
There's no stupid thing a kid could do in the voting booth that old people don't already do regularly.
When I was 7, in 1984, the school held a mock election. I voted for John Glenn because he was an astronaut and astronauts are cool. Jesse Jackson won because I don't know why, but maybe lowering the voting age to 6 might not work out.
Admin: Sir, your child has submitted requests for nicknames for all the names in Mambo #5 and That's Not My Name. It's obvious they're wasting resources.
Me: 😭 So proud.
The party of small government…
This is incredibly dumb. And isnt this part of that bullshit "make america great again"?
An extremely popular group of kids in America were on the silver screen back in the day: Spanky, Sunshine Sammy, Pineapple, Bonedust, Skooter, Wheezer, Farina, Chubby, Breezy, Waldo, Porky, Buckwheat, Alfalfa.....
So back when America was "great" kids went by nicknames, alternative names, and everything was fine. But now the government has to be involved?
Oh wait, these laws are made to ostracize and antagonize a marginalized group of people! Thanks big government.
Assholes.
And isnt this part of that bullshit “make america great again”?
Yup
Indiana is a shithole, as someone from the Upper Midwest/Great Lakes Region/Rust Belt, I can confidently say that place is the worst state in the entire section of the country. It makes Ohio look good.
Ah yes, I can’t wait to be notified of Robert'); DROP TABLE Students;-- nickname.
the republican party platform is basically suicide bombing at this point. it's a platform of singling out appropriate targets to bully, then hurting everyone but in a way designed to hurt the bullying targets the most. Google "lee atwater speech", it's got a lot of n-bombs in it but it basically outlines the way that republicans are proud to be the party of bullies and monsters.
You start out in 2005 by saying "t----- t----- t-----." By 2023, you can't say t----. That hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, parents' rights, bathrooms, and all that stuff, and you're getting so abstract. Now, you're talking about nicknames, and all these things you're talking about are totally superficial things and a byproduct of them is, queer folks get hurt more than cishets... "We want to know about kids' nicknames" is much more abstract than even the parents' rights thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "t------ t------ t-------."
OMFG. Seriously that's all I can think to say Oh My Fucking God. Not just the potential damage it can do to trans kids, but also just the total fucking waste of time and effort for no fucking purpose but performance. It's like the fucking TSA, not actually doing anything, just making a few idiots feel safer with their little song and dance.
This law confuses me, won't it protect against bullying? How does it target trans kids
Some parents beat their children when they find out they’re queer. This forces the school to potentially out kids to their hostile parents.
I have no clue, not an American and neither understand the law, trying to understand the extent of effects & why people are so mad
I just explained why it’s a bad law. It’s that simple. You do know now.
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Is queer considered a nickname? That's stupid
Let's say John is in school and wants to come out at trans. "He" would like to go by Jane and use she/her pronouns. The one problem is that John's parents are very conservative and would beat their child for being LGBTQ instead of "a normal straight kid."
If John feels comfortable in school, he might transition publicly there - answering to Jane in class and reverting to John at home to avoid beatings.
This law, however, means that the second John asks to be called Jane, John's parents would be contacted. Even if John/Jane begged for them not to be. School ceases to be a safe space and Jane needs to keep pretending to be John everywhere lest they get beaten.
Thanks for explaining. That sounds awful for the kids, peer pressure is bad enough and now having to deal with conservative parents too!
No, but a lot of queer kids drop their given name for one that fits their identity, one that is obviously queer…
This isn’t that hard to understand
How on earth would such a law protect anyone from bullying?
Indiana, Mike Pence’s Florida
“We’re sorry Mr. Smith your Nickname Application for “FartLordxxx69” has been rejected by the Middle School Nicknames Appropriations Board. Please report for immediate detention.”
In all seriousness, this will have such a detrimental effect on trans kids and I hope students, parents, teachers, EVERYONE gives this the pushback it deserves.
"Sir, it says here that your son Michael wants to be called Mike, is that correct?"
"Close, but no. You have to pronounce it Miiiiiiiike or I'll consider it disrespectful to him"
Ah, like the band Miiike Snow
Pronouns law: Parents unhappy Indiana schools must report nicknames
John Green said he's not going to Fishers anytime soon after his book was removed from the teen section, meaning "no Top Golf or IKEA for a while." Elissa Maudlin, Jenny Porter Tilley, Rachel Fradette and Jenna Watson, Wochit
A new Indiana law that requires parents to be notified of students' name changes, including nicknames, has caused confusion and annoyance among some parents, while others are angry about the risk it places on transgender students.
HB 1608, which the legislature passed earlier this year, requires teachers and school administrators to write to parents if their child requests a change of their name, title or pronoun. The notification must happen within five days of receiving the student request.
The law went through many changes in the legislature, including specifically targeting transgender students, but was eventually changed to affect any student who wishes to be addressed by a name other than the one given when their parent or guardian registered them for school.
Parents who spoke with IndyStar about this new reporting requirement were either confused or annoyed that schools had to spend time notifying them about something they already knew.
Other parents were frightened about what this may mean for transgender students.
'A stunning waste of time'
From the moment Victoria Matsumura was pregnant with her little girl, she was always known as Rosie.
So every year, Rosie, now 8 years old, would return to school and ask teachers to call her that rather than her legal name, Rosemarie.
This year, Rosie’s mom had to log into Hamilton Southeastern’s school management system, Skyward, and provide her daughter’s preferred name on a new form. If she hadn't, a notification would have been sent home to inform her that Rosie asked to be called by a different name.
This “silly” process was a waste of time and just adds another item to the list of things for teachers to worry about, Matsumura said. Rosie’s teacher asked her to make the change because otherwise she wouldn’t be able to call her by her nickname.
“She said, 'Even kids I've known for years I have to do this for,'” Matsumura said.
Similarly, Simon Hammons got an email one afternoon from son Benjamin's school in the Avon Community School Corporation. His child had asked to be called “Ben,” a nickname he has always been known by.
“It’s a stunning waste of time and resources for most parents, and it’s coupled with a group of policies that are openly hostile to transgender students and almost seems like the state wants them punished for being who they are,” Hammons said.
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Joni Heredia had to visit North Central High School, in the Washington Township school district, in the middle of the day to sign a piece of paper proving she knew about her 10th grader's name request.
Heredia’s child is transgender and both had already told the school about their request to use their preferred name instead of their legal name at the beginning of this school year, but the school told Heredia they had to notify her anyway because of the new law.
“My concern is for the other kids and how this could affect them and whether they’re going to be safe in their homes or outside of their homes,” Heredia told IndyStar.
LGBTQ+ advocates have said a record number of bills were filed during the 2023 legislative session that they viewed as harmful to the LGBTQ community and specifically transgender youth.
First day of school at Fishers High SchoolFirst day of school at Fishers High School.
Legal confusion surrounds HB 1608
Attorney Jessica Heiser has been providing training for school districts on how to implement HB 1608 and said that a lot of the districts she is working with are worried about breaking the law. She worked on the general counsel teams for most of the major school districts in Marion and Hamilton counties before moving to consulting work.
“School administrators and educators want clear direction from the legislature,” Heiser said. “They want to know what the rules are, what the definitions are and how to follow them, but this law is the worst kind of law for an educator, because it's so vague and so undefined that it just increases the fear factor.”
Heiser believes part of the reason the law is so vague when it comes to defining what counts as a name change was to avoid any possible violation of the 14th Amendment or Title IX.
“Make it vague enough that it’s not facially discriminatory, but in doing so (they) made it so vague nobody knows how to implement it,” Heiser said.
The ACLU of Indiana filed an appeal Tuesday of a federal judge’s decision to deny the request for a temporary halt to enforcing the law. The lawsuit centers on the part of the law concerning the instruction of human sexuality in pre-K through third grade.
Due to the vagueness of the law, Heiser said she has been advising most districts to notify parents of any slight name, title or pronoun change, including the use of initials instead of a full name or the shortening of a name.
The law appears to have no built-in enforcement mechanism, Heiser said, but there is a concern that teachers' licenses could be at risk under the part of Indiana law that says teachers can lose their license for “immorality, misconduct in office, incompetency or willful neglect of duty.”
A spokesperson for state Rep. Michelle Davis, R-Whiteland, who authored HB 1608, said she would not be providing further comment on the law due to the pending litigation.
Hamilton and Marion County school districts' procedures
IndyStar reached out to a number of Central Indiana school districts to see how they are handling the notification process.
In Carmel Clay Schools, parents were notified before the start of school to update their students' information if needed. Now any requests for a change go through the school’s social workers and administration and an email is sent to families regarding the change.
“Then, pending the nature of the request and if needed, the student and family may work with the school social worker to provide additional gender support,” a spokesperson for Carmel Clay schools said.
In the Hamilton Southeastern School district, an automated email will be sent to parents if a student requests a change. It will explain why they are having to send the notification and how families can update their student’s preferences in Skyward.
“We are trying to ease the burden this type of communication would place on our school counselors, teachers and admin,” a district spokesperson said.
Noblesville Schools’ counseling team will handle notifying parents and providing support and resources for students and families, Marnie Cooke, the district’s spokeswoman, said in an email.
In Marion County, Indianapolis Public Schools did not tell IndyStar what their protocol is for notification. Other Marion County districts said they already had protocols in place or were in the process of creating new ones due to the law.
Zionsville Community Schools in Boone County said administrators are going over proper protocols with their teachers before school starts Aug. 14 and would provide it to IndyStar next week.
I can't imagine my parents being forced to sign a piece of paper allowing my basketball coach to call be "Big ".
“It’s a stunning waste of time and resources for most parents, and it’s coupled with a group of policies that are openly hostile to transgender students and almost seems like the state wants them punished for being who they are,” Hammons said.
LGBTQ+ advocates have said a record number of bills were filed during the 2023 legislative session that they viewed as harmful to the LGBTQ community and specifically transgender youth.
God, I'm so tired of these naive-ass quotes and article tones that completely miss that yes, literally, that is the point. Like they're not literally calling trans people monsters while they debate these laws.
Can we just start naming all our kids Satan or Lucifer
Every parent should fill out a form for John Barron.
Yeah if I was a kid in Indiana, I would be doing mad civil disobedience.
Christianity is so stupid.
Let's just refer to my son as El Conquistador for the rest of his time in school. This could be entertaining.
Sounds like a perfect opportunity for malicious compliance.
Anyone with half a brain saw that this would happen.
It'd be a real shame if all the students who aren't on board with the intent of that law were to request a different name/pronoun at every opportunity to tie up school personnel with notification paperwork (since HB 1608 ^Full^ ^text,^ ^PDF^ specifies that the notification is to be done in writing). Certainly hope they don't do that or administrators might start complaining to elected officials.
Man I would be requesting a new nickname daily...
“I feel like a ‘Dickhead’ today. Can you please process the formal request for that to be my nickname?”
Daily? I'd be changing my name every class!
Every class? I'd be adding new titles every time someone said my name... 'that's Mr. Anon Beauregard G5 big dick playa the 12th formally known as count dankula, now."
we cou;d go a step further and have a random name generator making a constant flow of new original names every second.
Crippling public schools with meaningless busu work is a happy side affect for the people that came up with these laws. There has been a GOP led war on oublic education for the past 30 years
You think administrators are going to be doing this? That's cute. It would be making teachers' lives horrible. Republicans would be thanking you for driving them insane, making their lives worse, and making them think about quitting so they can continue to take public education funding for private charter schools.
I think there are ways to make shit roll uphill and teenagers are relentless when they find a way to make somebody else miserable.
Not in states without adequate union representation, AKA most red states.
So here’s what we do: we start a TikTok challenge. “Nickname November” or something like that, where you use a different name every day of the month for maximum confusion. Get a couple classes doing it, especially if there are any trans kids in the school, and you can see how far you can stress the system.
For the schools that require physical signatures, that’ll piss people off right quick. For the ones that just use an automated email and call it a day, toss in a twist: have each student loudly announce their new name at the start of every class, AA style. Heck, get the school announcer in on it. “Chess club on Wednesday has been cancelled, and Squidward Jones is now going by Jackie McJackson Johnstone.”
They want a ridiculous law to be followed? Okay, here you go.
I'm with this in spirit but I don't think I'd encourage that unless I knew one of my kids teachers was lgbtq-phobic. This will be a lot of hassle for a lot of teachers that couldn't give two shits about nicknames and pronouns. Driving them to quit won't change any policies except for policies that push kids into private and charter schools.
If I were a teacher, I'd rather my students did something maliciously compliant than just go along with this idiot policy in silence. Kids have to learn to stand up for what's right sometime, you know? I want the next generation to know that sometimes, authority really, really needs to be questioned.
Any respectable teacher will recognize what the students are doing and support it regardless of any added hassle. As a matter of fact, the teachers supporting the students can use this in support by showing the immense waste of time the R-Small-Government bureaucracy is causing, resulting in less time available to actually teach. A proper protest must disrupt.
I think this assumes that most teachers are otherwise fine and want to go along with it, and also only view themselves as there to transmit data, rather than as role models and sources of love and support for a child.
I live in Indiana…I had to sign a form yesterday allowing teachers to call my son Ben instead of Benjamin. Otherwise it would literally be illegal. Fuck these fascists…
Wow government so small it fits in your pocket, so convenient!
Sorry you have to deal with that bs
Barely an inconvenience for me, I’m enraged for the teachers and students who are being placed in a police state by the republicans. I feel it’s very important for kids to be able to confide in trustworthy adults like a teacher or therapist. They are required by law to report threats of violence or suicide…that’s good enough for me. Imagine if it was mandatory to report if a child discusses their gender or sexuality with you. Seems like that’s where we are headed and that is literally what the Taliban does. Johnny things he might be gay…Jane is having sex. Tell the parents so they can beat or kill them.
To be fair, Indiana basically is Florida, just minus a few alligators.
There's a reason it's called "the northern most southern state".
Those of us who have little choice but to live here call it "The Middle Finger of the South"
Pretty sure that's rural Maine.
it's rural everywhere
non-american here. I knew the conservatives in your country were bad but holy shit
I guarantee there are equally bad conservatives in your country. Keep them very far away from the levers of power.
they've been in power in one way or another since the 50s. mainstream left-wing politics in this country never really had a chance at any point since we became independent. Going back to the McCarthy days of Magsaysay in the 50s, to Martial Law under Marcos of the 70s, to the Post-Arroyo right-wing dominated politics we have today(23 out of the 24 senate seats are currently held by the conservative government, the House of Representatives isn't any better). Some families have been in power in their regions for centuries.
arguably the most leftist government we had was the post-EDSA C. Aquino Government, and even that was led by someone who was arguably part of the aristocracy, and even then her government suffered around 9 loyalist coups in 6 years until her government eventually shifted to the right.
I watched 'Till' last night (if you don't know the story, Emmett Till was lynched when he visited his cousins in Mississippi in the '50s. The murderers were identified by multiple witnesses, but the local jury found them not guilty. Till was a 14 year old black kid whose infraction was telling a white lady she looked like a movie star, and then doing a dog-whistle).
A lot of what was happening back then looks like what is happening to LGBT now. It's wild. They'll keep ramping it up, they aren't anywhere near where they want to be and they have the power and support to make it happen.
Have you seen the Top Gear US South special where they drive from Miami to New Orleans? A bit old now, but still relevant.
(Emphasis mine)
Pretty sure that's the point...
Oh it's definitely the point, but the consequences go way beyond that because the idiots who wanted to be cruel to trans kids didn't actually think anything through.
When cruelty is the point, bonus cruelty isn't a dissuasive argument.
I don't think there's additional cruelty. You can't really compare the danger outing trans kids to the annoyance of requiring to report every mundane nickname a kid requests.
All I'm saying is that they don't care about collateral damage.
It's not a comparison, rather it's a further illustration that it's all about controlling what EVERYONE can or can't do. If anything, if I was a kid in this state, I'd be requesting a new nickname every week, every day, even.
Exactly. "Oh, this impacts kids who want to express some individuality rather than take the ABSOLUTE NAME that their PARENTS ASSIGNED THEM? Good."
They don't want kids going to school and broadening their horizons, they don't classrooms to be places where a kid can ask to be called "DJ" because they're really into hip hop, they want classrooms to be centers of indoctrination to create good little workers. A law that makes the public school experience worse is a win for them.
Sounds like a great way for these kids to learn about civil disobedience. Just file every day for a new name and clog the system to the point of uselessness
My thoughts exactly.
This is what "making america great again" looks like.
Just stupid, idiotic stuff made up by boomers who couldn't log on to anything without all the help in the world.
Another example of Big government Republicans trying to regulate our lives
As if that description doesn't apply to democrats...
When did Democrats claim to be anti-regulation and pro-small government? Because that's what Republicans claim while forever increasing government power.
Like it or not, Republicans push for less business regulations, they've neutered the EPA at least some(as a moderate conservative I'm not necessarily in favor of that one but it's reality) when given the chance,
About the only things that democrats can pin this idea on the Republicans about is abortion and immigration.
The Democrats forced the ACA, which is more regulation and bigger government. Republicans were the ones pushing back on vaccine mandates while Democrats pushed for them.
So ya, I stand by my statement that the op statement is not some unique thing to the Republicans and I think stating that as if it is and then agreeing with it is an example of basing your opinions on feelings and propaganda, not facts and reality.
No, Republicans have the government...
How is any of that small government?
As for your argument about the ACA, that was created as a bipartisan effort with tons of concessions by Democrats only for Republicans to vote no anyway.
Sure, vaccine mandates. As if we don't have those already and haven't for at least a hundred years. That's new and bigger government.
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Knuckle dragger.
Are you suggesting the Democrats haven't been about bigger government? Are you suggesting that bigger government means more freedom and less regulations? Like, this isn't even all that debatable. I truly don't think you understand the reality of, well, reality if you think this isn't the case.
Course, the far left is all about whats not reality and I bet that's exactly the space you think in. Makes it easy to just spout off whatever nonsense sounds like fits your narrative about the other side and call it intelligent.
Ever heard the idea that when you point at someone you're pointing 3 fingers back at yourself?
For the record, I'd level similar criticisms at the far right and it's narratives as well.
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I guess the reality of what the Democratic party has been for the last, oh, 70-80 years at least is irrelevant if we're trying to disparage the Republicans? Way to hive mind yourselves Lemmy...
We get it, in a time no one today was alive to see, a Republican freed the slaves and Democrats hated blacks
And 30 years ago Republicans weren't big government big spenders but here we are. Let's focus on today
The party of small government.
We hate trans people so much, we're adding "Brazil" levels of bureaucracy over something so benign as wanting to use your established nickname at school. I'm sure that's worth everyone's time.
Sorry, but you must provide a valid copy of your ID and proof of residence before you can complain about bureaucracy
I'd most certainly get a call from the school.
"It says on this form that you want your child to go by Deez at school, can you explain?
"Yeah Deez nuts, stop wasting time with this nonsense "
Sadly, it's not the schools fault for the waste of time, it's the fuckle-chucks in the legislature. Every single name change request should be routed to the dumbass that authored the bill, then to every other dumbass that voted in favor of it.
I'm joking of course, but yeah that should be what happens. Worked in the school system and seen that "WTF are you serious?" look in school staff meetings hearing stupid stuff like this get implemented. I actually left because I had enough of dealing with these parents who make this happen and dealing with them was just too much.
Emails, calls, people would come in, they were in the PTA, just always around harassing people over the most petty things. I can't tell you how many grown adults I've seen meltdown in a school front office. The pay sucked, some of the parents were awful , but working with kids was awesome.
Shit like this happens when the people directly affected by it are prevented by law from voting to protect their own interests. It's easy to target people who are routinely denied their right to remove your ass from office for it.
Lower the voting age to 6
There's no stupid thing a kid could do in the voting booth that old people don't already do regularly.
When I was 7, in 1984, the school held a mock election. I voted for John Glenn because he was an astronaut and astronauts are cool. Jesse Jackson won because I don't know why, but maybe lowering the voting age to 6 might not work out.
Admin: Sir, your child has submitted requests for nicknames for all the names in Mambo #5 and That's Not My Name. It's obvious they're wasting resources.
Me: 😭 So proud.
The party of small government…
This is incredibly dumb. And isnt this part of that bullshit "make america great again"?
An extremely popular group of kids in America were on the silver screen back in the day: Spanky, Sunshine Sammy, Pineapple, Bonedust, Skooter, Wheezer, Farina, Chubby, Breezy, Waldo, Porky, Buckwheat, Alfalfa.....
So back when America was "great" kids went by nicknames, alternative names, and everything was fine. But now the government has to be involved?
Oh wait, these laws are made to ostracize and antagonize a marginalized group of people! Thanks big government.
Assholes.
Yup
Indiana is a shithole, as someone from the Upper Midwest/Great Lakes Region/Rust Belt, I can confidently say that place is the worst state in the entire section of the country. It makes Ohio look good.
Ah yes, I can’t wait to be notified of Robert'); DROP TABLE Students;-- nickname.
the republican party platform is basically suicide bombing at this point. it's a platform of singling out appropriate targets to bully, then hurting everyone but in a way designed to hurt the bullying targets the most. Google "lee atwater speech", it's got a lot of n-bombs in it but it basically outlines the way that republicans are proud to be the party of bullies and monsters.
OMFG. Seriously that's all I can think to say Oh My Fucking God. Not just the potential damage it can do to trans kids, but also just the total fucking waste of time and effort for no fucking purpose but performance. It's like the fucking TSA, not actually doing anything, just making a few idiots feel safer with their little song and dance.
This law confuses me, won't it protect against bullying? How does it target trans kids
Some parents beat their children when they find out they’re queer. This forces the school to potentially out kids to their hostile parents.
I have no clue, not an American and neither understand the law, trying to understand the extent of effects & why people are so mad
I just explained why it’s a bad law. It’s that simple. You do know now.
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Is queer considered a nickname? That's stupid
Let's say John is in school and wants to come out at trans. "He" would like to go by Jane and use she/her pronouns. The one problem is that John's parents are very conservative and would beat their child for being LGBTQ instead of "a normal straight kid."
If John feels comfortable in school, he might transition publicly there - answering to Jane in class and reverting to John at home to avoid beatings.
This law, however, means that the second John asks to be called Jane, John's parents would be contacted. Even if John/Jane begged for them not to be. School ceases to be a safe space and Jane needs to keep pretending to be John everywhere lest they get beaten.
Thanks for explaining. That sounds awful for the kids, peer pressure is bad enough and now having to deal with conservative parents too!
No, but a lot of queer kids drop their given name for one that fits their identity, one that is obviously queer…
This isn’t that hard to understand
How on earth would such a law protect anyone from bullying?
Indiana, Mike Pence’s Florida
“We’re sorry Mr. Smith your Nickname Application for “FartLordxxx69” has been rejected by the Middle School Nicknames Appropriations Board. Please report for immediate detention.”
In all seriousness, this will have such a detrimental effect on trans kids and I hope students, parents, teachers, EVERYONE gives this the pushback it deserves.
"Sir, it says here that your son Michael wants to be called Mike, is that correct?"
"Close, but no. You have to pronounce it Miiiiiiiike or I'll consider it disrespectful to him"
Ah, like the band Miiike Snow
Pronouns law: Parents unhappy Indiana schools must report nicknames
John Green said he's not going to Fishers anytime soon after his book was removed from the teen section, meaning "no Top Golf or IKEA for a while." Elissa Maudlin, Jenny Porter Tilley, Rachel Fradette and Jenna Watson, Wochit
A new Indiana law that requires parents to be notified of students' name changes, including nicknames, has caused confusion and annoyance among some parents, while others are angry about the risk it places on transgender students.
HB 1608, which the legislature passed earlier this year, requires teachers and school administrators to write to parents if their child requests a change of their name, title or pronoun. The notification must happen within five days of receiving the student request. The law went through many changes in the legislature, including specifically targeting transgender students, but was eventually changed to affect any student who wishes to be addressed by a name other than the one given when their parent or guardian registered them for school. Parents who spoke with IndyStar about this new reporting requirement were either confused or annoyed that schools had to spend time notifying them about something they already knew.
Other parents were frightened about what this may mean for transgender students.
'A stunning waste of time'
From the moment Victoria Matsumura was pregnant with her little girl, she was always known as Rosie.
So every year, Rosie, now 8 years old, would return to school and ask teachers to call her that rather than her legal name, Rosemarie.
This year, Rosie’s mom had to log into Hamilton Southeastern’s school management system, Skyward, and provide her daughter’s preferred name on a new form. If she hadn't, a notification would have been sent home to inform her that Rosie asked to be called by a different name.
This “silly” process was a waste of time and just adds another item to the list of things for teachers to worry about, Matsumura said. Rosie’s teacher asked her to make the change because otherwise she wouldn’t be able to call her by her nickname.
“She said, 'Even kids I've known for years I have to do this for,'” Matsumura said.
Similarly, Simon Hammons got an email one afternoon from son Benjamin's school in the Avon Community School Corporation. His child had asked to be called “Ben,” a nickname he has always been known by.
“It’s a stunning waste of time and resources for most parents, and it’s coupled with a group of policies that are openly hostile to transgender students and almost seems like the state wants them punished for being who they are,” Hammons said.
More HamCo news:'Ludicrous': John Green's 'Fault in Our Stars' pulled from young adult shelf in HamCo Joni Heredia had to visit North Central High School, in the Washington Township school district, in the middle of the day to sign a piece of paper proving she knew about her 10th grader's name request.
Heredia’s child is transgender and both had already told the school about their request to use their preferred name instead of their legal name at the beginning of this school year, but the school told Heredia they had to notify her anyway because of the new law.
“My concern is for the other kids and how this could affect them and whether they’re going to be safe in their homes or outside of their homes,” Heredia told IndyStar.
LGBTQ+ advocates have said a record number of bills were filed during the 2023 legislative session that they viewed as harmful to the LGBTQ community and specifically transgender youth.
First day of school at Fishers High SchoolFirst day of school at Fishers High School.
Legal confusion surrounds HB 1608
Attorney Jessica Heiser has been providing training for school districts on how to implement HB 1608 and said that a lot of the districts she is working with are worried about breaking the law. She worked on the general counsel teams for most of the major school districts in Marion and Hamilton counties before moving to consulting work.
“School administrators and educators want clear direction from the legislature,” Heiser said. “They want to know what the rules are, what the definitions are and how to follow them, but this law is the worst kind of law for an educator, because it's so vague and so undefined that it just increases the fear factor.”
Heiser believes part of the reason the law is so vague when it comes to defining what counts as a name change was to avoid any possible violation of the 14th Amendment or Title IX.
“Make it vague enough that it’s not facially discriminatory, but in doing so (they) made it so vague nobody knows how to implement it,” Heiser said.
The ACLU of Indiana filed an appeal Tuesday of a federal judge’s decision to deny the request for a temporary halt to enforcing the law. The lawsuit centers on the part of the law concerning the instruction of human sexuality in pre-K through third grade. Due to the vagueness of the law, Heiser said she has been advising most districts to notify parents of any slight name, title or pronoun change, including the use of initials instead of a full name or the shortening of a name.
The law appears to have no built-in enforcement mechanism, Heiser said, but there is a concern that teachers' licenses could be at risk under the part of Indiana law that says teachers can lose their license for “immorality, misconduct in office, incompetency or willful neglect of duty.”
A spokesperson for state Rep. Michelle Davis, R-Whiteland, who authored HB 1608, said she would not be providing further comment on the law due to the pending litigation.
Hamilton and Marion County school districts' procedures
IndyStar reached out to a number of Central Indiana school districts to see how they are handling the notification process.
In Carmel Clay Schools, parents were notified before the start of school to update their students' information if needed. Now any requests for a change go through the school’s social workers and administration and an email is sent to families regarding the change.
“Then, pending the nature of the request and if needed, the student and family may work with the school social worker to provide additional gender support,” a spokesperson for Carmel Clay schools said.
In the Hamilton Southeastern School district, an automated email will be sent to parents if a student requests a change. It will explain why they are having to send the notification and how families can update their student’s preferences in Skyward.
“We are trying to ease the burden this type of communication would place on our school counselors, teachers and admin,” a district spokesperson said.
Noblesville Schools’ counseling team will handle notifying parents and providing support and resources for students and families, Marnie Cooke, the district’s spokeswoman, said in an email.
In Marion County, Indianapolis Public Schools did not tell IndyStar what their protocol is for notification. Other Marion County districts said they already had protocols in place or were in the process of creating new ones due to the law. Zionsville Community Schools in Boone County said administrators are going over proper protocols with their teachers before school starts Aug. 14 and would provide it to IndyStar next week.
I can't imagine my parents being forced to sign a piece of paper allowing my basketball coach to call be "Big ".
God, I'm so tired of these naive-ass quotes and article tones that completely miss that yes, literally, that is the point. Like they're not literally calling trans people monsters while they debate these laws.
Can we just start naming all our kids Satan or Lucifer
Every parent should fill out a form for John Barron.
Yeah if I was a kid in Indiana, I would be doing mad civil disobedience.
Christianity is so stupid.
Let's just refer to my son as El Conquistador for the rest of his time in school. This could be entertaining.
Sounds like a perfect opportunity for malicious compliance.
Anyone with half a brain saw that this would happen.