Brain chips to be tested on humans this year, Elon Musk says
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If Neuralink can prove its device is safe in humans, it would still potentially take more than a decade for the start-up to secure commercial use approval
As someone who likes the idea of transhumanism:
I'ma fuckin' pass, dog.
Dude cant even get the software on teslas to work right and we are going to trust him with brain implants? Lol
Look how it went for monkey test subjects. š³
They were going to ask for volunteers from Musk's legions of loyal fans, but then they realised the subjects needed to have brains.
Just finished my first cuppa and had a nice and literal lol. Thanks for starting my day right!
And what company would you currently trust to make brain implants?
I believe the answer to that one to be "fucking not a-one", but that's just an educated guess of course.
I just love the assumption that we have to have brain implants (why? Because L. Ron Musk said so?)
I think it's the sci-fi fantasy of it. Like being able to download knowledge like the matrix.
In reality the real use of these is to help people with brain injuries or disabilities.
Elno wants to grift people on the former. Literally everything he does is selling people the knock off wish version of something from a sci-fi movie/book/game.
Musk aside, BCI will be a significant part of human lives in the distant future, they will initially aid existing tech but as the technology advances I can forsee a black mirror-esque future with our brains having a digital component.
or you know like from the 1st Kingsman movie
I can't help but think brain implants are an inherently bad idea.
Yeah same here, I'm much more curious about Valve's foray into BCIs. GabeN mentioned in an interview a few years ago that they're closer than we think and I want to know what he's cooking up.
Finally, Mecha GabeN is near.
Immortal Mecha GabeN is the solution against enshittification in gaming.
Whatever it is, it'll probably start with "wake up Mr. Freeman"
Yeah same.
Just hope Musk won't ruin people's perception for this or similar kind of tech.
@GeekFTW @kjr Companies already analyse our life with our activity online and know a ton about us.
What a great idea it would be to give them access to our *every fucking thought*
If he wants to get in front of the line then he's welcome to.
Do you want a super villain? Because that's how we get super villains.
It's way, way more likely to kill him.
I'm willing to take that risk.
Or vegetables.
Super easy to just, forget to install the firmwareā¦
I'mma call it right here, shot will go south, quickly, people will end up in prison, and Musk will somehow not be one of them.
i give it max a year or two after the first implant before we read about trials starting in the headlines.
So you expect trials after the trial?
<3
I mean, it didn't go well for the monkeys. Maybe if they are fucking people up, someone will stop them, but I doubt it.
When I look at what he's done to Twitter, I definitely think 'yeah I want this dude's chip in my head!'
Exactly what we need, billionaires tinkering with brain chips. Iād rather die than have anything from Musk in my head, bad enough the knowledge of his existence is in there.
Iām neurodivergent and I would love a chip to help with that, but this company decided itās leader is Musk and I donāt trust him. He used to be a hero in my eyes until the Twitter fiasco. Then I saw him for what he was.
So you liked him when he agreed with your politics, and now that he took away your safe space to shit on certain demographics scot-free suddenly he's bad.
I liked him when he wasnāt hateful towards trans people. I liked him when he wasnāt pushing an agenda of intolerance. Btwā¦ what demographic is it that I supposedly shit on?
Where are all those people who were worried vaccines had chips in them? Now this guy is literally saying he's going to chip you and nothing lol
Consistency is not a hallmark of conservatism; being a numpty is.
I don't believe in the vaccine-chip nonsense, but I think there's consistency there: it's about informed consent. There's a huge difference between being told by the government to take a vaccine that secretly has a chip in it, and Elon Musk offering chips for sale. If you choose to buy Musk's chip, you're doing so voluntarily and you know that you are getting a chip.
Plus, how many of the tinfoil hats are cheering on Neuralink?
The difference is that the vaccine physically can't have a chip. It's impossible for that level of technology to be injected into muscle through a needle.
Yeah there are numerous reasons why the conspiracy theory doesn't hold.
But that's besides the point. Let's say they thought the vaccine secretly contained benzos in order to make the population more docile or whatever. That doesn't mean they need to object to any use of the drug in order to be consistent. The problem would be that the government is secretly injecting the population for nefarious reasons, which would be a valid concern if there were any truth to it.
This is all you need to know from the article:
"On at least four occasions since 2019, Musk predicted that Neuralink would soon start human trials."
How many times has he missed the mark on Tesla full self driving?
Mercedes Benz has approval in California for self driving. It has bigger level than Tesla ... lol
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/08/mercedes-benz-beats-tesla-for-californias-approval-of-automated-driving-tech.html
He said a lot of things ... He's like Trump - full mouth of words but reality is always another thing
Full self driving just around the corner.
I've been hearing that one for thirty years.
The future we don't want
What, you're not looking forward to get a corp chip implanted into your brain by the world's most infamous shitposter?
Looking forward to Musk retweeting some smooth brained right winger with "hmm it's worth thinking about" directly into my neocortex.
Then being forced to think about the firehose of shit he puts out.
I played the first 10 minutes of Cyberpunk 2077's corpo storyline, I'll have to pass, thanks.
totally, dang....
given Tesla's trackrecord, paraplegics beware!
obviously other ways get less coverage because it's not as excitingly scifi as propping metal in your brain, but I think I would rather a CTRL-Labs armwrist even if it is owned by Facebook
if you're excited about this kind of stuff I would recommend reading more about OpenBCI, or y'know, anything that already has results within moving things with a thought.
I would sooner look to VR (as soon as we get commercial batteries that can keep up) to be the replacement 'second brain' for a computer if we're talking about the idea he once talked about accessing the internet from anywhere
like idk journalists should stop talking about Neuralink, all it does is risk stocks related to Musk go up, though this one is soberingly skeptical.
I'd rather live in a cave for the rest of my life than let CrazyElon brain chip me.
Let him test them on himself, maybe it can give him those extra braincells he's missing.
This is completely dystopian.
As others have said, Elon should test this on himself before he tests it on others, if he's really so confident in it.
It is inevitable that this will have negative health effects, and when that happens, Elon will just wipe his hands and say "not my problem".
Good, he can test it on his adoring fans. Lord knows they need lobotomies.
And after they've bitten off all their fingers like those chimps I won't have to read any dick-suck sycophantic comments online any more.
Brain chips? What was wrong with potatoes?
Just like complete FSD is only a year away... And how about that Cybertruck
Given a descendant of this technology has the potential for seizure moderation, which is something my sister basically will need as the medication she uses will inevitably require doses that would destroy her liver or leave her all but vegetative. It's super interesting from a technical aspect and hyper-relevant.
However, given Musk's antics especially as of late? I wouldn't trust him to not accidentally intentionally kill people, or use it as a way to have an unremovable keylogger with the end goal of 'Oh those are some nice eyes you've got there,' or 'lovely able to live without going into convulsions isn't it? It'd be a shame if that changed.'
If someone offends him on Twitter and if they got a brain chip, it's the end of 'em.
I want a brain chip in theory.
I don't want any current human to have anything to do with it. The average human's comprehension of life, consciousness, what it is to be human etc are so far behind ideal, I wouldn't trust anyone currently alive to start testing a direct brain-computer interface.
In several hundred years when we have Trek style space communism, sure!
Just imagine the possibility of space capitalism. War, war everywhere :D
The UN voted years ago that astroid mining is allowed.
Inyalowda be like dat, sasa ke
The Ferengi's 34th rule of acquisition is: War is good for business. They themselves never waged war though, curiously.
Depends on how you defined war.
The ferengi ship where Picard makes
firstsecond or third contact above the power draining planet was an equal to the enterprise.āOh but the federation doesnāt build warshipsāā¦ the enterprise is more than a match for romulan and Klingon battle ships.
The Ferengi have a military sure but its primary use is to protect their enterprises, not to wage war on other factions. Also who are you talking to that claimed the federation doesn't build warships? It certainly wasn't me.
The federation itself.
The defiant was a big deal because it was a warship, and the Feds ādonāt do thatā. Even though most their ships are in fact heavily armed and capable of at least holding their own against ādedicatedā warships of (frequently very) hostile civilizations
I see where you're coming from. The Defiant-Class are definitely a purposefully designed "Warship" and the first Starfleet has made in a long time at that point. Yeah I concede the point. I look at a ship like the Galaxy-Class with its phaser arrays etc and I think warship but it was built and designed during a time of peace, Starfleet wouldn't have viewed it as a warship.
It's an exploration ship.... that's almost big enough to qualify as a mobile starbase given the civilian population. Having armaments isn't stupid, especially given how often they rejiggered the phasers to act as a tool rather than a weapon.
35th rule of acquisition: Peace is good for Business.
Or maybe it's the other way around I always get those two mixed up.
Soā¦ Star Trekā¦
The only thing the Federation really did was convince people to work for free. They still had wars- lots of them, in fact- still had a military (one which
trained kids in the fieldthought it was a good idea to have kids onbattleshipsāexplorationā ships)I wouldn't trust Musk if he told me that water makes things wet.
He's a snake oil salesman.
Honestly I won't get one but I'm fine for Elon to break into it. I kinda feel like that's the only thing he does well. Funnels money into concepts people believe are impossible. Fail until there's some small success and let other, more competent people learn from those failures. I think I'd rather have that than stay stagnant and/or have the Russian brain chip become the standard
Good point. Letās see what comes of this. Like I have said, I would welcome a chip if it solves my brainās issues (instead of side effect laden medication) and itās likely that the chip I want would be from one of those folks that learn from failure.
The important thing is people can't just casually reprogram the damned thing.
having an ability to diagnose and correct without cracking your head open is fine, but it has to be a way that's 'you're giving positive affirmation that you're OK with it or a medical professional is physically having to plug a thing in or on or ... just so it can't be 'oh hey yo ustepped through these induction plates. we turned your anti-siezure chip off due to your non-compliance.'
He wants to use this technology to "cure autism," which sounds like it's coming from a position of self-loathing, projected onto everybody else. If he wants to stick chips into his brain, fine, but personally, I don't need a cure for the disease of being me.
My initial response was a recollection of the plot of The Kingsman.
Sticking implants in brains for fun is stupidity on a stick.
Implants are already used to control some forms of epilepsy, however these are on the vagus nerve and not in the brain. This sort of application makes sense.
This is a huge nope from me. This is a company that is spearheaded by a man with negative sense of morality and should not be involved in anything that is this morally grey.
I get huge Deus Ex vibes. During the game, one concept stuck with me in relation to this. There was this woman, that was a doctor, but she wouldn't get hired to work in the hospital, because she didn't have the right chip in her head. She couldn't afford it, so she was unemployed. Such a sad prospect, if this is what leads to that.
Also, S1E1 of Futurama!
Elon should be the first guinea pig, then, see if they can install a chip to make his brain work right
Hope he's the first human guinea pig, if he trusts it so much
Yeah the left doesn't have any room to talk, at all:
Many such regimes which were also oppressive of the poor, foreign, ethnic minorities, and neurodivergent. I am sure you will simp for and/or deny every single one of them, though, as you leftists always do.
The left will never be deserving of the benefits of the contract, they've killed more people in the 20th century than all forms of cancer, many major diseases, smoking (bundled into the cancer point somewhat), all forms of accidents, etc
Source
Is 'the left' in the room with us now?
Are the "nazis, alt-right, conservatives, etc" in the room with us now? Lol, go back to Reddit.
Wait who brought them up now?
What are you angry about?
Dude's political flambaiting. Flag and move on.
Yeah, I did.
What's with the attempted gaslighting? Also are you saying that mass death doesn't anger you even in the slightest? Or is it that you're ok with mass death committed by your side?
First, I wasnāt aware I was on a side.
Second, thereās no attempt at gaslighting. Iām asking why youāre angry. I think itās because Iām confused what any of this has to do with brain chips. Maybe itās a post in the wrong thread?
So, in short, Iām just asking you for the reason youāve posted this, in an attempt to better understand why Iām seeing this where Iām seeing it.
They must have one of the chips installed already and it's already misfunctioning, Makes the most sense to me.
Sounds like their chip is part of a botnet
What does this have to do with brain implants...
It's pretty funny to see someone in the wild who actually thinks because those were Communist countries, the persons in charge must have been 'Leftists'.
And damn those Leftists down in North Carolina, Kentucky, and Tennessee for growing all that tobacco using slave labor and then lobbying the government for the right to sell their product even though they knew it killed people!
115 comments and -320 karma. Stay woke guy, you'll get em next time for sure.
Lol caring about fake internet points is peak Reddit. Oh, and wow 13 comments and -14 hurr hurr ur internet number is negative too.
How
Probably a troll account.
I'm still curious what this has to do with neuralink brain chips
What a fucking echo chamber this place is. Rename the community to /c/FuckMusk and get it over with
Well the best way to not have us talk about Musk like he's a moron is for Musk to stop acting like a moron.
This is gonna end up terrible, why the hell would you want chip in your brain?
In capitalism, there is no doubt this will be used to compel labor. Imagine if your boss or some authority could inflict severe pain that causes no physical damage until you comply? Hello neo-slavery!
In socialism, there is no doubt this will be used to compel labor. Imagine if your commissar or some authority could inflict severe pain that causes no physical damage until you comply? Hello neo-slavery!
In an authoritarian socialist society maybe, like a USSR of 2025. Socialism doesn't imply authoritarianism, e.g. libertarian socialism, anarcho-communism
That's not socialism...
Sounds dystopian, this sounds like an episode straight out of Black mirror why the hell would anybody want to support this?(or is there nobody aside from elon supporting it?)
This sounds like something that everyone else is going to not comment on until they see how it turns out. Not to mention that it is way too early to even test on humans cause the monkey trails ended badly. Though Iām sure the Musk fanboys will line up as fast as possible.
Good soldiers follow orders