UFC star made more in 24 hours on OnlyFans than she did 'in her entire fighting career'
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UFC star Paige VanZant said OnlyFans allows her to make 'life-changing money'
UFC star Paige VanZant said OnlyFans allows her to make 'life-changing money'
That says a lot about UFC.
UFC pays like shit for all but the top talent.
Tbf, she was never at risk of being considered that so it doesn’t say that much about the pay scale vs OF.
and thirsty dudes.
They are loaded?
Until they unload.
And people wonder why all these teachers are ending up on onlyfans
It's not like the profession has been treating them with any more respect anyway.
One of the only major sports without a union
I always say the NFL is the worst sport for athletes because their bodies get destroyed in return for relatively little money (at least for everybody except the superstars), but that's because I always forget about the UFC.
Still though a practice squad player in the NFL is clearing $500k+ a season. So it's at least a decent amount of money. Is it worth the future health problems with no pension? Not my decision, but at least it is an amount of money where there is a decision to be made.
MMA, Boxing, WWE... Haha go fuck yourself.
It seems practice squad players actually make a minimum of $12K per week or $216K per season. Still not that bad compared to conventional jobs, but it's not like you can have a 40-year career doing that.
And with the effects on long term brain health they have been unraveling in the past few years its a no dawg from me thanks. Unfortunately I've already gone through my sports playing days so it was already a yeah dawg.
Pretty sure they have a pension if you make it like 3 years iirc
Don't most sports league have unions? At least all major sports in the USA have player unions.
Yeah, in the USA all the main ones do. Idk about less popular ones like lacrosse or even MLS though
I don’t think so. If it was a male UFC fighter, he’d stand no chance of making as much money as her on a site like OnlyFans. And the UFC is pretty good about equal pay based on gender.
No, this is simply the newest iteration of one of the oldest truths in history: attractive women can milk desperate men for a king’s ransom any day of the week.
100% correct.
All work places are good about equal pay based on gender because they have to in the USA.
Except sports.
Women and men are in different leagues and often hired by different organizers. The same is true with people hired in all forms of entertainment. Thier skill and demand judge thier wages.
And probably a bit about UFC fans, too
For anyone that doesn't want to click fox news:
https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2023/09/paige-vanzant-onlyfans-video-ufc-pay-money-net-worth
The real hero, here.
hey thanks!
She made that much because she's a known fighter established within the UFC. UFC pays shit but it pays shit across the board unless you are a superstar.
I think it's sad seeing this considering all the women I know who have been suckered into making OFs only to make a few bucks from weirdos saving their nudes.
Porn is the same, really. Most people who do porn make very little money from it, but still have to deal with their naked bodies on the internet.
Seems like you should only do fans (and similar pages) if you already have a fan base in some other area. Otherwise it will end like you said.
Or if you just actually want to do sex work. It’s like camming. It can be a hobby where you pick up a couple bucks here and there. If you want it to be a job it’s going to be more like trying to make it as a musician or actor.
In general if you’re more or less normal you aren’t going to make any real money as a sex worker. Either you aren’t famous or attractive enough or you aren’t willing to do what it’ll take to make better money or you won’t settle for the little you’ll get or be willing to deal with people who have odd fetishes, possibly of your body type.
All internet media is basically the same on pay. Most people on you tube or twitch don't make much either.
Yeah, but they don't put their naked bodies out there.
Yep, even more so if they had to due to unfortunate reasons. Though not entirely, it works the same way as any average person starting something likestreaming and thinking of making it big quick.
I reckon she only had this much success due to having some level of popularity to begin with.
OF out there making up for the gender pay gap
Trust me, it's not.
For every story like this, there are literally millions where regular women make next to nothing for their nudes.
Most normal women with OFs usually end up having a few subs from people they know who just want to distribute their nudes among peers. Imagine thinking you're going to make thousands when you end up making less than $100, and now everyone has your nudes.
That's the reality for most people on OF. And it's sad.
It's all down to exposure and even minor celebrity status can be leveraged to generate lots of views.
You see a similar thing in the acting community: celebrity actors aren't really better as actors than lots of unknowns out there (the quality all around of acting in places with very good acting colleges and a strong acting tradition, such as Britain, is really good) and often you get stories of people's careers taking off due to a mix of luck and persistence, and once people are in the public eye their careers pretty much shift gears (for reference, the average actor in the UK earns in average less than minimum wage from Acting).
If you consider "people having your nudes bad". I'm sure some do/have but many just don't care. My friend's sister has one. I subbed to support her and because she's hot. Unsubbed later because she was too expensive. Hung out with her at a party once and she didn't give a flying shit I had seen her buck naked. We just talked about normal stuff.
Lol, no joke, I thought you said "your sister" instead of your friend's sister.
I was like wtf lmao.
Gotta support your fam.
Dom would be proud.
I can't believe this stuff, because it is a fox "news" article. Why was this even posted here? How can we be sure that this is even real considering everyone on this post says you don't make jack squat on that site
It's real, Fox News loves posting these horn-dog articles because it hits the bullseye of their conservative-value, low-morality base
Conservatives when they read this
No no, they are the ones throwing money at her in secret. You know that as well as i.
OK but she wouldn't be as popular and wouldn't have made that much on OF if it weren't for her time in the UFC. I mean she's hot yea, but she's famous because of her mma career.
"Paige, yes!"
Just pics, or is she doing shows? There’s a “glad he ate her” joke in there somewhere…
It's amazing what showing your boobs can do for a woman. It'd be infuriating if not for all the gender-based discrimination and life endangering bullshit they also have to deal with. Instead it's just another example of why we deserve the extinction we're currently bringing down in ourselves.
"Women showing their tits online is another reason humans deserve extinction" was not on tonight's bingo card.
"women feeling the legit need to expose themselves for others to make a good living is another reason we deserve extinction" might be a better explaination.
But even if not for that, there's lots of other reasons.
Yeah that's how I read it
They don't need to expose themselves online to make a good living though. I think it's important to distinguish that - this is an easy and accessible way for most women to make a few extra bucks or a good living, but they don't need to and there are plenty of options to make a good living that don't require showing off your naked body out there.
The middle class is being squeezed and many if not all jobs should pay more than what they do - not trying to debate that here. But to pretend women have no other options or somehow feel a need to do OF... Disingenuous at best.
I'll tell all those women who have tried basically everything else and still ended up there that because it's not literally their only option they should just be okay with it. That our society has this problem to the tune of thousands or tens of thousands who all claim it's the only way to make a livable wage is an enormous problem and censoring it with needless and pedantic clarifications like this is a big part of why our society is this way.
The majority of them already have jobs, sometimes multiple jobs. There's no other options for them.
OF has only existed for 7 years. The lower and middle class has been struggling for much longer than this. Wages have been stagnant for much longer than this. What did these women with 'no other options' do before OF? What do the struggling men do?
People almost always have options... They just may not like them. Let's please all stop pretending these women are forced into or have no other option than OF. They are choosing to because it is a convenient way to make extra income. It's a convenient side hustle. Why would they spend time creating a product to sell or learning a trade or skill when they can point a camera at themselves? Much faster and easier. And there's nothing wrong with that - let's just be honest when we have these conversations.
They were forced to do other degrading things. Or illegal things. Or both.
They still are; but they used to, too.
They literally are creating a product to sell. Camming is a skill. Don't shit on sex workers.
Okay! All jobs are degrading! Your choices under capitalism are just different ways to sell your body and time and mind for a pittance, there is no dignified choice to make where you don't have to sell yourself to survive. This isn't new, OF is just a modern innovation of the same thing.
Oh jeeze, that's rough, a person showing themselves online for money, society must be truly be breaking down for that
why do incels hate hot naked women so much? makes no sense
I genuinely feel rough for those with the incel mindset. It's a no-hope, bitter mindset, where objectively good things for them are ideologically bad.
Women having sex outside of marraige? Bad to an incel, while they should be celebrating the potential for casual sex. Chicks posing naked online? Bad for an incel, even though that's their fap material.
MFs literally just need a few nights off their ideology to not have sour grapes.
I think it's more people confusing what other people do with what they want in a partner. They see someone they would want as a partner, they find out all sorts of dudes have been in her and that turns them off so they get irrationally mad. All in a matter of seconds
When I left reddit, I really thought I would see less incel shit. Guess I was wrong. How the fuck did this get 25 upvotes?!
It's so cool that we are giving young woman the idea that they can make money by selling their body. I'm sure that is great for society.
Dude, she was a professional fighter. She was already selling her body.
now she's selling her dignity
WTF is dignity? Sounds like something religious nut jobs made up to control women with
I would say getting spitroasted on camera for the world to see is pretty degrading, and I think a lot of people share that opinion.
Sorry bro but someone else's feelings doesn't seem to be for you and your friends to decide. But you're free to simply see it that way
God forbid I give my opinion on the internet
And now your opinion is permanently floating around on the internet. The horror!
I feel sorry for that guy, now his opinion is floating around forever, all for 100 measly upvotes if that. I can't imagine anything more degrading, it's sad to see someone sell their dignity for nothing.
posting your opinion on the internet is exactly like whats being discussed. you are very smart
You should feel bad about that
why
Because your opinion makes you look like, at best an idiot, at worst a bigot.
I disagree. I think a lot of people share my opinion.
That's not necessarily evidence that you're right. Even if you were correct about the popularity of your opinion, it's still cringe as hell to begin with.
Was it wrong of me to tell you how to feel?
FTFY
Whether doing sex work, manual labor, or a desk job, you are selling your body for profit. If you have a problem with that then you have a problem with Capitalism.
Neat friend, can you please clarify what it is we are doing with our bodies under not-capitalism?
You mean selling your body for fighting in UFC?
The story of the opposite - she makes more money not selling her body!
Yo... You think people never thought about selling sex before this was posted on Lemmy?
This is like giving people the idea of the wheel. I'd be willing to bet that human beings bartered for sex before they bartered for food or water.
... human beings bartered for sex
I think you mean men bartered for sex before food or water.
Women are smart enough to put their lives before sex.
This is some of the dumbest shit I've read in a while.
Doing porn is a permanent stain on your reputation. I hate seeing young girls turn to it because of the easy money to be made. For every girl that has success on only fans is 50 girls who will have their nudes circulate the internet for eternity for a measly 100$.
It's only a permanent stain to people who care.
The people who make a big deal out of it are the ones that should be ashamed.
And a lot of people care. So it does matter.
I mean with this logic:
You know a lot of people were okay with slavery......
Just to be clear I'm pointing out that morality is not something that humanity votes on. Because humanity voted okay on slavery.
When was slavery voted upon?
Roughly the 1700s.
https://www.monticello.org/slavery/paradox-of-liberty/african-slavery-in-colonial-british-north-america/
I don't see anything about a vote in that link
Well, imagine each slave ship filled with about 500 votes.
what? It's okay to admit that you were wrong.
What do you mean? Wrong about that many many humans thought slavery was okay by voting with their wallets
https://www.worldwildlife.org/pages/vote-with-your-wallet
Barring any of the other context here, you need to back up and think about why you think it's so awful for a nude picture to exist.
Are you helping or are you pushing your own moral code onto those who may not share it?
I'm giving my opinion. If nudes are so harmless, why is revenge porn such a big deal? The answer is because once your nudes are public, you are no longer in control. Any man can see your most intimate moment and do with it how they please, and you can do nothing to stop it. Your child will have to grow up knowing there are videos of your mom shoving a cucumber up her butt for a months rent.
And what’s wrong with that? I have a cucumber in my ass right now. So what?
I don't think it's healthy for a child to have their friends show them pictures of their mother in intimate situations.
I don’t think it’s healthy for you to worry so much about what other people do with their bodies.
You know that society is a big system right? Things other people do can have an indirect affect on me and my family. If everyone in my town smoked crack, I would get the fuck out of there, I wouldn't gaslight people into thinking its "wrong to care about what other people do with their bodies".
You’re just prudish and ashamed of sex. Other people are not. Your aversion and lack of openness about sexuality is not anyone else’s problem other than your own.
I think sex is better off behind closed doors. Sex is extremely important to human relationships and I feel like making exposure to sex abundant hinders relationships. There's a reason most porn stars/sex workers end up depressed and addicted to drugs.
Okey dokey, you do you. I prefer fucking in the park in broad daylight. There’s nothing to be ashamed of. It’s just human bodies having sex.
You can believe whatever you like but your magical thinking doesn’t make what you believe true.
You've got it backwards. Lots of people who face addiction, homelessness, etc turn to sex work. It pays and sometimes that's what ya gotta do to survive. I'd argue that consent is dodgy for anyone forced to do sex work to pay rent, but barring that, whatever gets struggling folks paid is good in my book.
An acquaintance of mine who's been living out of her car for some time just got a refurbished laptop that she's now using to polish up her resume and portfolio and get a stable job doing vfx. She paid for it using money she earned via sex work - which she's not ashamed of at all, it's just another skill she has that opened some other doors for her. She met a fantastic partner who she's now living with. And now that she's got a leg under her she's getting sober too. I'm genuinely really proud of her.
Agency, that's the difference between revenge porn and this.
Do you think that young women don’t figure it out on their own? I’m not saying this is a responsible article, but it’s more like a glowing article about how much oil field workers make. But sex work is old and young women have always figured it out.
I think we have yet to see the full impact of the damage to young women who were sold a dream of making money on only fans. Instead they will have their nudes permanently passed so disgusting old men can jack off to them. There is no undoing that and I suspect that will haunt a lot of girls far into the future.
You sure are doing women a favor by fear mongering over it and acting like it's something shameful. With modern tech all you need is a picture of someone's face anyway. And I say this as someone who has had content posted without my knowledge or consent. What exactly do you want me to do, live my life being "haunted" by this or tell people like you to fuck off and quit making it worse?
Not on OF, but I've got nudes out there. I really don't give a shit who sees em. I'm not ashamed of them. Where do you get the idea that irreparably damages women?
Cool, you have no shame for your actions. Glad you are able to live with your choices. A lot of people can't though.
In my opinion people should be able to do what they want with their own bodies (with the exception of meth, crack, etc) my problem with this only fans situation is that it's just underscoring that our society only seems to value women for their sexuality. I don't follow UFC but assuming she's good at what she does it's sad to me that society values her body more than her abilities. The same thing goes for the only fans teachers. I just wished we valued people for their skills and education more than their flesh. Like I said do what you want with your own body though.
Why don't I have the right to do whatever drugs I like? I know what I'm getting into, and it's my body. A lot of psychiatrists preach the benefits of mushrooms and acid for mental health. And meth and crack certainly aren't as powerful as mushrooms or acid.
My personal opinion is that there are some chemicals that are so detrimental to a person that society has the obligation to limit their use. Also, there is no articulable right to drugs in the Constitution except alcohol through the 21st amendment.
Why would I base my opinions on what slave owners who had never seen a light bulb thought?
the Constitution and decisions by the supreme Court determines what your legal rights are. Your opinions are your own and you can base them on whatever you want
Okay but why would I base them on the opinions of slave owners? That sounds stupid and nonsensical.
So there are two things at play here: rights and opinions. Legal rights in America are based on the constitution and the decisions made by the supreme Court. I'm not saying that they're correct or not; justified or not; or ethical or not. I'm just making a statement of fact that's where rights originate from in US law.
Opinions can be based on whatever you want. You are free to agree with or disagree with both the Constitution and the supreme Court. You can consider them valid or invalid institutions.
I'm not trying to tell you that you should be of a particular opinion or not.
Rights in America are not given by the constitution, they are in-born. The constitution helps enforce your naturally given rights, but it is certainly fallible at this, for example it's initial failing to protect the right to freedom held by slaves.
There are opinions, and there are facts. The right to freedom is a fact. Many of the founders were wrong on one of the foremost issues of their time, slavery, at a time when most of the rest of the world was not wrong about it anymore. As such, we should strongly discount all of their beliefs that are not independently verifiable. For instance, the electoral college. This was created in order to maintain the power of slave owners on government, and should be seen as a tool to oppress the will of the people. The EC is not flawed because it was created by slave owners, but it is suspect due to that, and on further inspection, it turns out to be a tool of oppression.
So your initial comment was something along the lines of, "why don't I have the right to do whatever drugs I want?" And I said that there wasn't a constitutional right to drugs. Are you of the opinion that there's a right to do drugs?
Oh, lol honestly I just assumed I was in a different sort of discussion based on your comment. But actually, yes I am, to a degree. Most recreational drugs anyone's heard of are, for the most part, safe enough. Otherwise they wouldn't be widely used. Average functioning adults should be allowed to put whatever they like in their body, provided they're informed of the effects it will have. Gatekeeping getting high is idiotic, when we are fully capable of providing safe places to do it. There are a ton of benefits to mental health in recreational drug use, not to mention that it is fun and nice and so should be acceptable in society, if done safely. And if the government was actually researching which drugs are fun and good when done safely, we wouldn't have to rely on either dealers, our idiot friends, or the Internet to tell us which ones not to do.
So I personally disagree. I don't think there's a right to be intoxicated (or shouldn't be a right). I actually would like to see the limits of the 21st amendment tested by passing laws that forbade alcohol consumption after DUIs. I personally don't have a problem with the legalization of marijuana and I'd extend it to certain hallucinogens (e.g. psilocybin, mescaline, & LSD). I would not like to see amphetamines and opiates legalized though and if there were a legalization referendum on them I'd personally vote against it.
The reason porn pays is because so few woman are willing to give up their dignity for the sake of temporary cash flow. If everyone did porn, people would be making scraps.
Pornography is not a scarce commodity.
not anymore its not, which is why very few make money.
There is a lot of pornography available. It is not a scarce commodity.
What is your point?
Your original comment:
You're making a basic supply and demand argument. As supply goes down (i.e. becomes scarce) and assuming demand remains constant the cost will increase.
If you're selling apples. And 100 people want apples. The price you charge will fluctuate depending on how many apples you have. If you have 10 the cost goes up. If you have 1,000 the cost goes down.
My argument is pornography is not scarce. Meaning there's a lot of it available (on the market) so I disagree with your assessment as to why "porn pays"