He doesn't want Xitter to get banned in Russia and there are no consequences for arbitrarily banning people. Pretty obviously just business.
Wish people would stop using that site.
Or someone would nationalize it.
If he's being a putin stooge because it's good for his business, he's still being a putin stooge.
(pst that's just capitalism)
I'd prefer for it to crash and burn, not nationalize it and bail him out of his bad investment.
You're right, we should nationalize all of his assets.
Thats more like it
Who said anything about compensating him?
Or if we do, compensate him at it's actual value not the absurd price he paid for it
.... On second thought, nevermind, seize it outright, he doesn't deserve a damned thing for it
"Just business"
Are you seriously trying to make the argument that elon"if you advertisers don't like my performative bootlicking bullshit then go fuck yourself"musk is doing something for the good of a business and NOT because of his vindictive, forever 13 year-old, ultra-divorced, fermented hair plug influenced personal political positions?
You're 1000% confusing this coincidentally being a move that might not get him banned in Russia, with that being the core motivation. There's a disconnect in your comment, last two statements are valid, first is cookoo bananas.
He doesn’t want Xitter to get banned in Russia
Well, It has been blocked for 2 years now. How Do You Like This, Elon Musk?)
Almost 3 now.
Honestly nationalizing it would be a bad idea. Once it's government owned, then the 1st amendment would actually apply and banning people, including the more openly Nazi accounts than you can imagine, would probably be illegal. It would be overrun with even more heinous filth than it houses now.
It really is best for everyone that Twitter dies, and good news! Under Musk's incredible zero-win leadership, it looks pretty inevitable!
Yeah, this. Practically speaking the only country that could nationalize Twitter is the US. It's already a pain in the ass doing moderation without getting the US Constitution in there. It wouldn't just be the 1st amendment, you might also get lawsuits based on other constitutional protections. I 100% guarantee, the US government does not want to get involved.
Openly Nazi accounts already avoid getting banned so that doesn't really change anything.
Though you're right, we need to pack the Court first and undo right-wing jurisprudence.
Why stop with Xitter? I personally feel like there should be a national equivalent to the corporate search engines, job boards, etc. National alternatives to everything.
Or someone would nationalize it.
Oh, the anti-vax broflakes and maga cult will vacate that thing in droves. If the right country 'owns' it - thinking Jacinda Ardern's government if we had a time machine, or just the UN now - then advertisers may come back. Or it may just exist as a cost-free platform for cat pics and tsunami/twister alerts.
Wait. Isn't that what we want? No halfwit conspiracy fucknuts, and a still-usable platform? Where do the bots using it for C&C fit into this?
Public spaces should be government owned. Each country could have its own public servers with a guaranteed spot for every citizen. People can cross post.
If you want anonymity you can have private servers too.
So what you’re saying is Lemmy needs lobbyists!
Honestly just ActivityPub. And being backed by the W3C id assume there already are discussions in countries where corruption is less prevalent.
“Hmm yes, banning my best propaganda tool. This is the move.” - Not Putin
Because Musk curates the platform to Russia's standards. If Xitter didn't do stuff like suspening Navalny's wife, Russia might decide to go to a Chinese platform or try to develop their own.
Banning Starlink from Ukraine but not Russia... Banning Putin's adversaries... Hmmmmmmm
I'll explain it to you really simply: his business are based in america not in russia. He's also directly involved with the usa government and the usa military.
People greedy for money don't care where their profits come from, given that i still think it's naive to call him a putin stooge when the majority of his money comes from usa thanks to his links with us government.
And if he wants to align with the US, why would he ban her, when she's being a motor against the Russian government, a clear enemy of the US? His actions go against the assumption that he is US aligned.
why would he ban her,
I think because of ACF. Probably he is tied to corruption in Russia.
Well guess what they are not banned anymore. I'll ask you another question, if the ceo of usa and the ceo of russia telephone him asking for a favor which one do you think would get the priority?
It’s a naked dog whistle, and I’m not sure why the corpo press didn’t see right through it. It’s not the 1950s with ‘obscenity’ trials, the speech that is controversial nowadays is hate speech.
The state of Twitter nowadays confirms exactly the kind of people Musk was thinking about when he said that.
Remember when all the conspiracy theorists were cheering elons take over of twitter because it meant free speech? I do. Also remember how pretty much none of them is complaining about his control of the platform now. It's almost like they never really cared about free speech in the first place, but only their own.
Conspiracy theorists? I was looking forward to the changes he said he was going to make but how does that make me a conspiracy theorist now?
EDIT: I'd love to read the logs for why I'm getting downvoted for. This is one damn hateful group of people lol
Oh, I'm sorry, I should have been clear that people getting fooled by him was not limited to conspiracy theorists. It's just who I heard it the most from where there was some conspiracy among big tech to silence dissenting opinions and he would save us from it.
Me too, the Facebook files were a big deal in the first few weeks after his takeover too (once the overwhelming news about layoffs and brain drain subsided).
Remember when all the conspiracy theorists were cheering elons take over of twitter because it meant free speech?
No? And who are conspiracy theorists?
Lol then pay attention
I've pay same attention and noticed "conspiracy theorists" is a vague term used by governments as a cover up and to call out anyone who disagree with them.
Conspiracy theorists are people who believe wild, baseless information, whose only sources are other people who believe wild, baseless information. My mom thinks that the US is owned by some guy in Montana because she saw a youtube video that said so. She believes that any time someone spells her name in all caps they're literally trying to enslave her. She believes that Donald Trump is literally the second coming of Jesus Christ, and that Elon Musk is one of his new disciples because he allowed him back onto Twitter. She believes that sitting in a chair that vibrates at a specific frequency is more likely to cure her stage 4 breast cancer than an oncologist. My mom is a conspiracy theorist, and she'll be dead soon from cancer that she found while it was still easily treatable with surgery, but decided then that oregano oil would be a more effective treatment.
Damn, that kept getting sadder and sadder.
Believe me, it got sadder and sadder watching it happen in person, too.
Conspiracy theorists are people who believe wild, baseless information, whose only sources are other people who believe wild, baseless information.
That's not what the definition of conspiracy theorist is even according the the dictionary. Keep it on topic, the idea of twitter being a free speech platform is something that Musk advertised themself, i've personally not seen a single person actually taking it seriously.
Conspiracy theorists are people who believe wild, baseless information, whose only sources are other people who believe wild, baseless information.
Like that Elon Musk is personally responsible for kicking Yulia Navalnaya off Twitter only then to restore her account an hour later and that he's doing this because he's a Russian puppet?
There's plenty of legitimate reasons to not like the guy but what I'm seeing here is a hate cult. The above claim about him is literally wild, baseless information and its source is other people who believe in said wild baseless information. When challenged the response is either complete silence and flood of downvotes or misinformation about him turning off starlink to prevent Ukrainian attack on Crimea.
I never said anything about Elon being directly responsible for this, nor did anyone else within the replies to the conspiracy theory comment that I was referring to. The fact of the matter is that conspiracy theorists touted Elon's acquisition of Twitter as being the return of free speech, but immediately after the death of Putin's largest opposition figure, who's wife said that she would carry his torch, she's removed from the platform. Whether due to Elon or anyone else, Twitter is not a platform of free speech, and that should outrage anyone, whether they Like Elon or not, and whether they agree with Navalny and his wife or not.
Yeah, im pretty sure the bot farms made it to lemmy.
Yay Elon. Reeeeeeeaaaallllyyyy supporting “free speech” buddy.
I'm sure it was Elon personally who suspended the account but then had to restore it an hour later because he couldn't possibly have forseen the blowback this would cause. No way there's any other explanation for this.
The stupider it looks, the Elonner it is
The more public a figure, the more likely it is that he’s pulled rank.
Wow I like this Elon guy less and less every time I read a headline about him
I'm actually starting to doubt that he's a force for good in this world...
I'll admit I was a bit taken in by the image his PR people created, a few years back before he decided he didn't need them. I think I wanted to believe in the benevolent billionaire bullshit, that maybe a rich person wanted to do some good in the world. Dumb fuckin me, won't be making that mistake again.
Article was probably updated, account is restored as of now.
Who's this X fellow I keep hearing about?
X gon give it to ya
I don't know, sounds like someone who does porn.
I had to zoom my screen out to 50% to fit that video.
Yeah, I realized my goof after I commented
Professor Xavier's bizarro twin... unlike Charles, he is dumb and have no actual powers
Putler
No free speech for people opposing the terrorist Putin regime
Damn, PG, wasted no time in kicking his wife off the platform (yet trump and Alex Jones are both allowed there.....)
X marks the fascist
Entire ACF needs mastodon presence
I wonder when she's going to get arrested.
Hard to be arrested by Russia in Germany.
My fresh take:
Please reinstate the account that was suspended on the platform that we want people to quit using so that we can NOT read it because we have boycotted it.
Amirite?
No they're being boycotted because of this kind of behavior.
Extremely uncharacteristic of X's critics to point out X's flaws.
The article just says that the account is suspended, there is no official statement from Twitter an no indication that they suspended the account on purpose. The most likely reason is that the account was mass reported by trolls and got suspended automatically.
If that’s the case, Musk will surely have it unbanned as soon as he gets up. If not, it would prove he’s on Team Putin beyond any doubt.
We've had more than enough proof he's on team Putin, I personally don't need another.
Would be curious to hear what you think is the strongest evidence for him being on "team Putin"
Tell me again how musk-ovi isn’t a putin stooge
He doesn't want Xitter to get banned in Russia and there are no consequences for arbitrarily banning people. Pretty obviously just business.
Wish people would stop using that site.
Or someone would nationalize it.
If he's being a putin stooge because it's good for his business, he's still being a putin stooge.
(pst that's just capitalism)
I'd prefer for it to crash and burn, not nationalize it and bail him out of his bad investment.
You're right, we should nationalize all of his assets.
Thats more like it
Who said anything about compensating him?
Or if we do, compensate him at it's actual value not the absurd price he paid for it
.... On second thought, nevermind, seize it outright, he doesn't deserve a damned thing for it
"Just business"
Are you seriously trying to make the argument that elon "if you advertisers don't like my performative bootlicking bullshit then go fuck yourself" musk is doing something for the good of a business and NOT because of his vindictive, forever 13 year-old, ultra-divorced, fermented hair plug influenced personal political positions?
You're 1000% confusing this coincidentally being a move that might not get him banned in Russia, with that being the core motivation. There's a disconnect in your comment, last two statements are valid, first is cookoo bananas.
Well, It has been blocked for 2 years now. How Do You Like This, Elon Musk?)
Honestly nationalizing it would be a bad idea. Once it's government owned, then the 1st amendment would actually apply and banning people, including the more openly Nazi accounts than you can imagine, would probably be illegal. It would be overrun with even more heinous filth than it houses now.
It really is best for everyone that Twitter dies, and good news! Under Musk's incredible zero-win leadership, it looks pretty inevitable!
Yeah, this. Practically speaking the only country that could nationalize Twitter is the US. It's already a pain in the ass doing moderation without getting the US Constitution in there. It wouldn't just be the 1st amendment, you might also get lawsuits based on other constitutional protections. I 100% guarantee, the US government does not want to get involved.
Openly Nazi accounts already avoid getting banned so that doesn't really change anything.
Though you're right, we need to pack the Court first and undo right-wing jurisprudence.
Why stop with Xitter? I personally feel like there should be a national equivalent to the corporate search engines, job boards, etc. National alternatives to everything.
Oh, the anti-vax broflakes and maga cult will vacate that thing in droves. If the right country 'owns' it - thinking Jacinda Ardern's government if we had a time machine, or just the UN now - then advertisers may come back. Or it may just exist as a cost-free platform for cat pics and tsunami/twister alerts.
Wait. Isn't that what we want? No halfwit conspiracy fucknuts, and a still-usable platform? Where do the bots using it for C&C fit into this?
Public spaces should be government owned. Each country could have its own public servers with a guaranteed spot for every citizen. People can cross post.
If you want anonymity you can have private servers too.
So what you’re saying is Lemmy needs lobbyists!
Honestly just ActivityPub. And being backed by the W3C id assume there already are discussions in countries where corruption is less prevalent.
Too bad it already is for last 3 years
Putin would never ban X in Russia, are you crazy?
“Hmm yes, banning my best propaganda tool. This is the move.” - Not Putin
Because Musk curates the platform to Russia's standards. If Xitter didn't do stuff like suspening Navalny's wife, Russia might decide to go to a Chinese platform or try to develop their own.
Banning Starlink from Ukraine but not Russia... Banning Putin's adversaries... Hmmmmmmm
I'll explain it to you really simply: his business are based in america not in russia. He's also directly involved with the usa government and the usa military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX#Contracts
People greedy for money don't care where their profits come from, given that i still think it's naive to call him a putin stooge when the majority of his money comes from usa thanks to his links with us government.
And if he wants to align with the US, why would he ban her, when she's being a motor against the Russian government, a clear enemy of the US? His actions go against the assumption that he is US aligned.
I think because of ACF. Probably he is tied to corruption in Russia.
Well guess what they are not banned anymore. I'll ask you another question, if the ceo of usa and the ceo of russia telephone him asking for a favor which one do you think would get the priority?
Free speech absolutist
Freeze peach absolutist
I mean Absolut IS a Vokda brand!
High lake dish berry mulch
It’s a naked dog whistle, and I’m not sure why the
corpopress didn’t see right through it. It’s not the 1950s with ‘obscenity’ trials, the speech that is controversial nowadays is hate speech.The state of Twitter nowadays confirms exactly the kind of people Musk was thinking about when he said that.
Remember when all the conspiracy theorists were cheering elons take over of twitter because it meant free speech? I do. Also remember how pretty much none of them is complaining about his control of the platform now. It's almost like they never really cared about free speech in the first place, but only their own.
Conspiracy theorists? I was looking forward to the changes he said he was going to make but how does that make me a conspiracy theorist now?
EDIT: I'd love to read the logs for why I'm getting downvoted for. This is one damn hateful group of people lol
Oh, I'm sorry, I should have been clear that people getting fooled by him was not limited to conspiracy theorists. It's just who I heard it the most from where there was some conspiracy among big tech to silence dissenting opinions and he would save us from it.
Me too, the Facebook files were a big deal in the first few weeks after his takeover too (once the overwhelming news about layoffs and brain drain subsided).
No? And who are conspiracy theorists?
Lol then pay attention
I've pay same attention and noticed "conspiracy theorists" is a vague term used by governments as a cover up and to call out anyone who disagree with them.
Conspiracy theorists are people who believe wild, baseless information, whose only sources are other people who believe wild, baseless information. My mom thinks that the US is owned by some guy in Montana because she saw a youtube video that said so. She believes that any time someone spells her name in all caps they're literally trying to enslave her. She believes that Donald Trump is literally the second coming of Jesus Christ, and that Elon Musk is one of his new disciples because he allowed him back onto Twitter. She believes that sitting in a chair that vibrates at a specific frequency is more likely to cure her stage 4 breast cancer than an oncologist. My mom is a conspiracy theorist, and she'll be dead soon from cancer that she found while it was still easily treatable with surgery, but decided then that oregano oil would be a more effective treatment.
Damn, that kept getting sadder and sadder.
Believe me, it got sadder and sadder watching it happen in person, too.
That's not what the definition of conspiracy theorist is even according the the dictionary. Keep it on topic, the idea of twitter being a free speech platform is something that Musk advertised themself, i've personally not seen a single person actually taking it seriously.
Like that Elon Musk is personally responsible for kicking Yulia Navalnaya off Twitter only then to restore her account an hour later and that he's doing this because he's a Russian puppet?
There's plenty of legitimate reasons to not like the guy but what I'm seeing here is a hate cult. The above claim about him is literally wild, baseless information and its source is other people who believe in said wild baseless information. When challenged the response is either complete silence and flood of downvotes or misinformation about him turning off starlink to prevent Ukrainian attack on Crimea.
I never said anything about Elon being directly responsible for this, nor did anyone else within the replies to the conspiracy theory comment that I was referring to. The fact of the matter is that conspiracy theorists touted Elon's acquisition of Twitter as being the return of free speech, but immediately after the death of Putin's largest opposition figure, who's wife said that she would carry his torch, she's removed from the platform. Whether due to Elon or anyone else, Twitter is not a platform of free speech, and that should outrage anyone, whether they Like Elon or not, and whether they agree with Navalny and his wife or not.
Yeah, im pretty sure the bot farms made it to lemmy.
Yay Elon. Reeeeeeeaaaallllyyyy supporting “free speech” buddy.
I'm sure it was Elon personally who suspended the account but then had to restore it an hour later because he couldn't possibly have forseen the blowback this would cause. No way there's any other explanation for this.
The stupider it looks, the Elonner it is
The more public a figure, the more likely it is that he’s pulled rank.
Wow I like this Elon guy less and less every time I read a headline about him
I'm actually starting to doubt that he's a force for good in this world...
I'll admit I was a bit taken in by the image his PR people created, a few years back before he decided he didn't need them. I think I wanted to believe in the benevolent billionaire bullshit, that maybe a rich person wanted to do some good in the world. Dumb fuckin me, won't be making that mistake again.
People still using x....
Sadly
Article was probably updated, account is restored as of now.
Who's this X fellow I keep hearing about?
X gon give it to ya
I don't know, sounds like someone who does porn.
I had to zoom my screen out to 50% to fit that video.
Yeah, I realized my goof after I commented
Professor Xavier's bizarro twin... unlike Charles, he is dumb and have no actual powers
Putler
No free speech for people opposing the terrorist Putin regime
Damn, PG, wasted no time in kicking his wife off the platform (yet trump and Alex Jones are both allowed there.....)
X marks the fascist
Entire ACF needs mastodon presence
I wonder when she's going to get arrested.
Hard to be arrested by Russia in Germany.
My fresh take: Please reinstate the account that was suspended on the platform that we want people to quit using so that we can NOT read it because we have boycotted it. Amirite?
No they're being boycotted because of this kind of behavior.
Extremely uncharacteristic of X's critics to point out X's flaws.
The article just says that the account is suspended, there is no official statement from Twitter an no indication that they suspended the account on purpose. The most likely reason is that the account was mass reported by trolls and got suspended automatically.
If that’s the case, Musk will surely have it unbanned as soon as he gets up. If not, it would prove he’s on Team Putin beyond any doubt.
We've had more than enough proof he's on team Putin, I personally don't need another.
Would be curious to hear what you think is the strongest evidence for him being on "team Putin"