The Infallibility Myth baffles me. What's that all about?
It's like they cranked up the marketing, cult-of-personality bullshit to see how high it could go... and it didn't have a limit, they were able to brainwash a lot of people with the most preposterous stuff, and they couldn't help themselves, they just HAD to make their head a demigod.
"Me perfect in paradise, you utter dogshit capitalist."
What is this, a first grader having a schoolyard fight?
Then there's Mao. Not quite a demigod, but not quite human either. His myth covering a much larger area and population, so they had to make the myth a little bit subtler. But not by much.
Unironic hexbear post
One man's trash is another man's steaming pile of bullshit. Or something like that.
It reminds me of this:
I unironically believe this; I have been to italy, and eaten authentic italian pizza.
Fuck off with barely any cheese and no toppings. it tastes fine as a kind of fancy bread, but give me the fuckload of cheese and meat every time
I couldn't disagree more. I've also been to Italy, specifically to Napoli, and just the dough alone is phenomenal, something between pancake and bread. Then the fresh tomatoes and mozzarella on top with the fresh basil leaves for the something extra - perfect balance, heaven in my mouth!
I've also been to the US (west coast, Portland) and Jebus, that was terrible. First they don't give you a pizza but a slice of pizza, then it's reheated because they make a lot of it and can't sell it fresh. The toppings is dry ham and tasteless cheese, a ton of cheese, but just flavorless cheese. I tried in a couple of places there with practically the same result. Thanks, but no thanks.
The Swedish pizza is probably what I would say is what you're talking about, tons of toppings and decent dough.
Kebab pizza with french fries:
Bro you went to Portland Oregon and got some shit new york style by the slice? You fucked up
You should try
Ken's Artisan Pizza
A'pizza Scholl's
Pizzeria Otto
Pizza Thief
The Star
And that's just the best of the best that I've personally been to. Plenty of smaller places serving up phenomenal pies as well dotted everywhere. You only get by the slice of you're starving right now and have less than 5 bucks.
Mid range but great
Ollys Pizza
Atlas
Places that are over hyped.
Baby Doll
Sizzle Pie
Swedish kebab pizza feels like it shouldn't exist, but it's honestly so good
Oh I forgot to add one thing about the Italian pizza. I've eaten pizza in Rome too, and it was practically as terrible as in Portland.
General rule of thumb: don’t go to tourist spots or where something has been invented. It’s worse than the knockoffs.
Real "Sachertorte" from "Hotel Sacher" in Vienna is mindlessly overpriced and way worse than any one you can get at any small local bakery.
Original "Carpaccio" from "Harry‘s Bar" in Venice is the same - extremely overpriced and just not good and not worth the money.
I’ve had amazing "Tunbrötsrulle" at some little restaurant in Stockholm, I’ve forgotten the name, but they also had burgers on the menu.
Well yeah you went to the wrong coast for pizza.
I've also been to the US (west coast, Portland) and Jebus, that was terrible. First they don't give you a pizza but a slice of pizza, then it's reheated because they make a lot of it and can't sell it fresh. The toppings is dry ham and tasteless cheese, a ton of cheese, but just flavorless cheese. I tried in a couple of places there with practically the same result. Thanks, but no thanks.
WTF, that doesn't sound even remotely correct. How much did you pay, $0.50? You got scammed dude. I'm from Texas which, afaik, is probably at the bottom of the list of "places you think of when someone says, 'pizza'" but I've had way better pizza than what you're describing. Hell, Pizza Hut is probably better than what you're describing lol. That sounds horrid.
Portland
Well there's your problem, the west coast has been doing strange things to their Pizza ever since that one cannuck thought using pineapples would excuse calling something a Hawaiian pizza without any spam
There was a place I used to go that made a "Greek Pizza," which was basically a gyro on pizza dough instead of pita and with melted feta on top.
Oh my god it was amazing.
It sounds like you went to Little Caesar’s.
I could find that kebab pizza a nice home in the trash lol. Looks nasty
I just came back to Europe after a couple weeks in the US. The US was beautiful (travelled in the Rockies). I was surprised by the fact that I unironically would not be able to live there just because of the food. Everything was so drowned in cheese / sugar / unspecified ultraprocessed something that I had legitimate digestion issues the first week.
"I would like an omelette please"
"Yes sir, do you want eggs in that or just the cheese?"
I had no idea I could miss just plain real bread as much as I did by the time I got back.
Half the time it's not even normal sugar; it's high-fructose corn syrup...
EDIT: Well over half the time.
Getting just regular old bread for a normal price there is basically mission impossible.
I've never been to Italy, but my cousin grew up there for part of their childhood. They said "Italians invented pizza, America made it good"
Yeah, no. They don't. Whoever told you that made that shit up or heard it from an american.
American pizza and Italian pizza are two different animals that share the same name. They both have good, mediocre and shitty examples. I have had all three in both countries.
As to which one I prefer? Ehhh depends on the day.
Other countries also have their unique take on Pizza that I have tried and enjoyed. I had some in Spain and Brazil that were amazing yet very different.
The worst pizza I ever had was when I was a kid and we took a trip to Italy and my parents got me some from a street vendor. The problem is it was American-style pizza and the Italians didn't know how to make American-style pizza.
The second-worst pizza I ever had was St. Louis style pizza at an Imo's, which is the way to have it, and it is fucking foul.
The third worst pizza I ever had was in Cozumel, Mexico. They put slices of tomato on it instead of tomato sauce, but did the rest of it the American way. Bleah.
Cheddar, Swiss, and provolone with a shitton of sodium citrate. That's a combination I don't think I'd go for. Sounds like having American cheese on a pie.
That's pretty much what it tasted like. Except on a cracker.
Has north Korea started marketing themselves on lemmy?
lemmy.ml if I'd have to guess 😆
Honestly if you're living in a Western country, you are a victim of major anti North Korean propaganda that goes all the way back to the Korean War.
Like, North Korea is nowhere near as bad as people think, and it's people are fairly happy, yes the government censors and controls media, but it also creates a unified and strong society with far less division than all these Western countries tearing themselves down the middle about which party is less evil.
The country has been in the news of late, as ongoing negotiations between the Trump and Kim Jong-un administrations appear to have soured. The chief casualty of this diplomatic failure, the New York Times (5/31/19) breathlessly reported, was Kim Jong-un’s negotiating team, with the vice chair of the North Korean Workers’ Party, Kim Yong-chol, being sent to a forced labor camp in “the latest example of how a senior North Korean official’s political fortune is made or broken at the whims of Kim Jong-un.”
The linked NYT article says this:
Now, he has suddenly become the latest example of how a senior North Korean official’s political fortune is made or broken at the whims of Kim Jong-un. This week, leading South Korean newspapers reported Kim Yong-chol’s fall from grace. One of them, the conservative daily Chosun Ilbo, went so far as to report that Mr. Kim had been banished to forced labor, with many of his negotiating team members either executed or sent to prison camps.
South Korean officials and analysts cautioned that it was too early to say with precision what was happening inside Kim Jong-un’s opaque regime. South Korean news media offered differing conjectures, including whether Kim Hyok-chol, the North’s special nuclear envoy to the United States, had been executed by firing squad in March, as the Chosun Ilbo reported, or was still under interrogation.
But they all agree on one thing: Kim Yong-chol and his negotiating team, which had driven Kim Jong-un’s diplomatic outreach toward Washington, have been sidelined, as the North Korean leader sought a scapegoat to blame for his disastrous second summit meeting with Mr. Trump, held in Hanoi, Vietnam, in February.
That seems pretty reasonable? It says that the official has found disfavor, says what one other paper reported with language of "went so far as to report", and also notes that it's hard to say for sure because North Korea is very opaque.
The FAIR article then says:
There was one problem: Kim Yong-chol appeared only a few days later at a high profile art performance alongside Kim Jong-un.
Yeah, that's hard evidence he wasn't executed, but that's about it. Situations like this can change on a whim in a dictatorship. Maybe Kim Jong-un had a good breakfast and decided that the official's forced labor could be done.
FAIR also says this in that article:
North Korea is also a favorite location for wacky and easily disprovable stories. The BBC (3/28/14) originally reported that all men were required to wear their hair like Kim Jong-un, with other haircuts banned.
The BBC article has a correction that it's university students and not all men (which is missing from the FAIR article), so is that true? And it's weird to say that stuff like that is wacky when stuff like this apparently happens:
A second, and unprecedented, TV series this winter showed hidden-camera style video of "long-haired" men in various locations throughout Pyongyang.
In a break with North Korean TV's usual approach, the programme gave their names and addresses, and challenged the fashion victims directly over their appearance.
That looks legit, with footage on youtube. Is there any reason to think that's fake? That certainly confirms my mental model of North Korea as a wacky dictatorship if it's true.
EDIT: FAIR's other statements in that article are dunking on the worst possible interpretations of what people say, which just makes FAIR seem like it has a chip on its shoulder about North Korea for some reason. I'd take what they say about North Korea with a grain of salt.
I mean it is possible their near constant need for international food aid, is just a plot to get free food.
And 90% are environmental pioneers that have given up electricity...
It's mind-boggling how you and others like you (assuming you aren't just a bot or being paid to say this stuff) can say/comment/post this stuff when there is SO MUCH EVIDENCE proving it wrong.
From Western media in English. You're in a cultural and linguistic bubble online where people who think like you ( or within an expected range of dissenting opinions ) post and respond.
The ideas and values you see and even have fall into a range that believe it or not is different in other communities, often segregated by language.
It's hard to explain if you're a monolinguist, but the language you speak includes ideas and cultural nuance for idea that doesn't often cross the language and cultural boundaries.
“Our country is so strong because we all agree we love dear leader, ignore the famines, camps, and executions, thats hust the work of western spies who hate us for loving dear leader, we da best.”
Don't forget that North Korea's leader is very dear to the whole population and incorruptible, unlike evil South Korea's leaders who were always super evil and corrupt and everything.
...
You're asking why the dear leader is the only fat person in North Korea, especially when everyone else looks malnourished? Haha, funny person, off to jail you go.
Legit thought I was on lemmy.ml for a moment
This got posted on hexbear along with other lies so ridiculous that not even most of the accounts over there could take OP seriously. I was gonna post it on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works but I haven't got around to it
North Korea: Such a great nation, there's no need or ability to ever leave.
I've never heard anyone with first hand experience complain about living in North Korea. They literally can't complain.
There are some valid criticisms of SK in here, but there's so much bullshit as well that no reasonable person will take them seriously.
Fun fact: The right picture is actually from Detroit.
This is a great image to show how framing is everything but people got their panties in a twist because of the .ml bogeyman.
Nice bait
South Korea invented k-pop, check and mate!
Undeniable DPRK W
from its* inception
Spent its* first forty-two years
Hey, its no tits!
I would laugh and call it a great shitpost if it wasn't lemmy and at least one out of six would agree with it
The glory of Juche shall not be denied.
its*
Balances*
America: guaranteed reduction in purchasing power as soon as you retire.
An ordinary day on .ml
Truer words were never spoke.
The Infallibility Myth baffles me. What's that all about?
It's like they cranked up the marketing, cult-of-personality bullshit to see how high it could go... and it didn't have a limit, they were able to brainwash a lot of people with the most preposterous stuff, and they couldn't help themselves, they just HAD to make their head a demigod.
"Me perfect in paradise, you utter dogshit capitalist."
What is this, a first grader having a schoolyard fight?
Then there's Mao. Not quite a demigod, but not quite human either. His myth covering a much larger area and population, so they had to make the myth a little bit subtler. But not by much.
Unironic hexbear post
One man's trash is another man's steaming pile of bullshit. Or something like that.
It reminds me of this:
I unironically believe this; I have been to italy, and eaten authentic italian pizza.
Fuck off with barely any cheese and no toppings. it tastes fine as a kind of fancy bread, but give me the fuckload of cheese and meat every time
I couldn't disagree more. I've also been to Italy, specifically to Napoli, and just the dough alone is phenomenal, something between pancake and bread. Then the fresh tomatoes and mozzarella on top with the fresh basil leaves for the something extra - perfect balance, heaven in my mouth!
I've also been to the US (west coast, Portland) and Jebus, that was terrible. First they don't give you a pizza but a slice of pizza, then it's reheated because they make a lot of it and can't sell it fresh. The toppings is dry ham and tasteless cheese, a ton of cheese, but just flavorless cheese. I tried in a couple of places there with practically the same result. Thanks, but no thanks.
The Swedish pizza is probably what I would say is what you're talking about, tons of toppings and decent dough.
Kebab pizza with french fries:
Bro you went to Portland Oregon and got some shit new york style by the slice? You fucked up
You should try
And that's just the best of the best that I've personally been to. Plenty of smaller places serving up phenomenal pies as well dotted everywhere. You only get by the slice of you're starving right now and have less than 5 bucks.
Mid range but great
Ollys Pizza
Atlas
Places that are over hyped.
Swedish kebab pizza feels like it shouldn't exist, but it's honestly so good
Oh I forgot to add one thing about the Italian pizza. I've eaten pizza in Rome too, and it was practically as terrible as in Portland.
General rule of thumb: don’t go to tourist spots or where something has been invented. It’s worse than the knockoffs.
Real "Sachertorte" from "Hotel Sacher" in Vienna is mindlessly overpriced and way worse than any one you can get at any small local bakery.
Original "Carpaccio" from "Harry‘s Bar" in Venice is the same - extremely overpriced and just not good and not worth the money.
I’ve had amazing "Tunbrötsrulle" at some little restaurant in Stockholm, I’ve forgotten the name, but they also had burgers on the menu.
Well yeah you went to the wrong coast for pizza.
WTF, that doesn't sound even remotely correct. How much did you pay, $0.50? You got scammed dude. I'm from Texas which, afaik, is probably at the bottom of the list of "places you think of when someone says, 'pizza'" but I've had way better pizza than what you're describing. Hell, Pizza Hut is probably better than what you're describing lol. That sounds horrid.
Well there's your problem, the west coast has been doing strange things to their Pizza ever since that one cannuck thought using pineapples would excuse calling something a Hawaiian pizza without any spam
There was a place I used to go that made a "Greek Pizza," which was basically a gyro on pizza dough instead of pita and with melted feta on top.
Oh my god it was amazing.
It sounds like you went to Little Caesar’s.
I could find that kebab pizza a nice home in the trash lol. Looks nasty
I just came back to Europe after a couple weeks in the US. The US was beautiful (travelled in the Rockies). I was surprised by the fact that I unironically would not be able to live there just because of the food. Everything was so drowned in cheese / sugar / unspecified ultraprocessed something that I had legitimate digestion issues the first week.
I had no idea I could miss just plain real bread as much as I did by the time I got back.
Half the time it's not even normal sugar; it's high-fructose corn syrup...
EDIT: Well over half the time.
Getting just regular old bread for a normal price there is basically mission impossible.
American bread is cake.
https://www.npr.org/2020/10/01/919189045/for-subway-a-ruling-not-so-sweet-irish-court-says-its-bread-isnt-bread
I try to buy it a day old and then freeze it. It kind of sucks
Fortunately italian pizza isnt meant for fast food addicts
Go to Napoli and never have better pizza again because it just doesn't exist.
It's also the last pizza you'll ever have /j
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I've never been to Italy, but my cousin grew up there for part of their childhood. They said "Italians invented pizza, America made it good"
Yeah, no. They don't. Whoever told you that made that shit up or heard it from an american.
American pizza and Italian pizza are two different animals that share the same name. They both have good, mediocre and shitty examples. I have had all three in both countries.
As to which one I prefer? Ehhh depends on the day.
Other countries also have their unique take on Pizza that I have tried and enjoyed. I had some in Spain and Brazil that were amazing yet very different.
Americans ☕
bitch please.
The worst pizza I ever had was when I was a kid and we took a trip to Italy and my parents got me some from a street vendor. The problem is it was American-style pizza and the Italians didn't know how to make American-style pizza.
The second-worst pizza I ever had was St. Louis style pizza at an Imo's, which is the way to have it, and it is fucking foul.
The third worst pizza I ever had was in Cozumel, Mexico. They put slices of tomato on it instead of tomato sauce, but did the rest of it the American way. Bleah.
Cheddar, Swiss, and provolone with a shitton of sodium citrate. That's a combination I don't think I'd go for. Sounds like having American cheese on a pie.
That's pretty much what it tasted like. Except on a cracker.
Has north Korea started marketing themselves on lemmy?
lemmy.ml if I'd have to guess 😆
Honestly if you're living in a Western country, you are a victim of major anti North Korean propaganda that goes all the way back to the Korean War.
Like, North Korea is nowhere near as bad as people think, and it's people are fairly happy, yes the government censors and controls media, but it also creates a unified and strong society with far less division than all these Western countries tearing themselves down the middle about which party is less evil.
Can we get a source for this?
https://fair.org/home/propaganda-against-north-korea-and-the-travel-ban-go-hand-in-hand/
I read that and was prepared to have my mind blown. Not really impressed, though. That article says this:
That links to this article, which says:
The linked NYT article says this:
That seems pretty reasonable? It says that the official has found disfavor, says what one other paper reported with language of "went so far as to report", and also notes that it's hard to say for sure because North Korea is very opaque.
The FAIR article then says:
Yeah, that's hard evidence he wasn't executed, but that's about it. Situations like this can change on a whim in a dictatorship. Maybe Kim Jong-un had a good breakfast and decided that the official's forced labor could be done.
FAIR also says this in that article:
The BBC article has a correction that it's university students and not all men (which is missing from the FAIR article), so is that true? And it's weird to say that stuff like that is wacky when stuff like this apparently happens:
That looks legit, with footage on youtube. Is there any reason to think that's fake? That certainly confirms my mental model of North Korea as a wacky dictatorship if it's true.
EDIT: FAIR's other statements in that article are dunking on the worst possible interpretations of what people say, which just makes FAIR seem like it has a chip on its shoulder about North Korea for some reason. I'd take what they say about North Korea with a grain of salt.
I mean it is possible their near constant need for international food aid, is just a plot to get free food.
And 90% are environmental pioneers that have given up electricity...
It's mind-boggling how you and others like you (assuming you aren't just a bot or being paid to say this stuff) can say/comment/post this stuff when there is SO MUCH EVIDENCE proving it wrong.
From Western media in English. You're in a cultural and linguistic bubble online where people who think like you ( or within an expected range of dissenting opinions ) post and respond.
The ideas and values you see and even have fall into a range that believe it or not is different in other communities, often segregated by language.
It's hard to explain if you're a monolinguist, but the language you speak includes ideas and cultural nuance for idea that doesn't often cross the language and cultural boundaries.
“Our country is so strong because we all agree we love dear leader, ignore the famines, camps, and executions, thats hust the work of western spies who hate us for loving dear leader, we da best.”
Don't forget that North Korea's leader is very dear to the whole population and incorruptible, unlike evil South Korea's leaders who were always super evil and corrupt and everything.
...
You're asking why the dear leader is the only fat person in North Korea, especially when everyone else looks malnourished? Haha, funny person, off to jail you go.
Legit thought I was on lemmy.ml for a moment
This got posted on hexbear along with other lies so ridiculous that not even most of the accounts over there could take OP seriously. I was gonna post it on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works but I haven't got around to it
North Korea: Such a great nation, there's no need or ability to ever leave.
I've never heard anyone with first hand experience complain about living in North Korea. They literally can't complain.
There are some valid criticisms of SK in here, but there's so much bullshit as well that no reasonable person will take them seriously.
Fun fact: The right picture is actually from Detroit.
This is a great image to show how framing is everything but people got their panties in a twist because of the .ml bogeyman.
Nice bait
South Korea invented k-pop, check and mate!
Undeniable DPRK W
Hey, its no tits!
I would laugh and call it a great shitpost if it wasn't lemmy and at least one out of six would agree with it
The glory of Juche shall not be denied.
its*
Balances*
America: guaranteed reduction in purchasing power as soon as you retire.
Overnight you become less.