He says his son was eventually issued the passport and the family’s vacation is still on.
Sounds to me like someone so the passport office was just being an idiot and when their supervisor looked into it it was resolved.
Government employee makes mistake, other employee corrects mistake, innocent family suffers minor inconvenience. Stay tuned for more.
Omg, i hope they are all ok. This must have been so traumatizing for all involved. I can't even
Don't forget to be outraged!
Private corporations tying the hands of governments with copyright BS? If I want to name my daughter Khaleesi Skywalker Gandalf Bethooven SpaceJam that's none of the governments nor some random corporations business. You can't trademark a fucking name, wtf is this bullshit? You don't get to decide what my name is, and you definitely don't get to hamstring official government agencies in their duties because you're butthurt about my sharing a name with your fictional character. Go fuck yourselves, disney. You slimy litigious fucks, this is why your brand is sinking.
This isn't a rule. Some bureaucrat was mistaken.
The same thing happened to another girl a couple weeks ago.
But it is indicitive of the Anglo-Saxon propensity for bootlicking. /Celtposting
The French do their arguably dumber "you can't call that thing you made what I call it even though it's the same recipe, because it wasn't grown where my ancient relatives made it," though. Also France's general xenophobia and owning a bona fide colony way later than the Anglos lol
You're talking about AOP (Appelation d'Origine Protégée / Protected Origin Naming). It makes senses because protected names are place names. You can't call any sparkling wine "champagne". It has to come from Champagne. However, you can call your raw milk cheese "faisselle" even if it wasn't made in Rians, as faisselle isn't a place.
Too bad this kid wasn't born at Skywalker Ranch, then
By that logic, you should object to cheese being labelled as "cheddar" cheese, because that's a place too and you've almost certainly never seen cheese which came from there.
It's a stupid rule
There is a West Country Farmhouse Cheddar PDO at the European level for cheddar from Cheddar.
I wouldnt see it as stupid, people and governments want to protect what they produce.
If it doesnt matter then have prosecco and everyone is happy.
Yeah, Disney is slimy, but for once this isn't their doing. Some paper pusher overstepped their boundaries, that's not on Disney.
There are rules around names for children with food reason, if you name your child Hitler and Unwanted you can expect government intervention because it can be perceived as child abuse by putting undue stress and difficulty on the child.
Which I believe is fair
This name doesnt quite hit that mark but I would defend government intervention when naming children for outlier cases.
All fair and good, but that kid has been named without government interference, so the name is legally given. So they shouldn't be able to then deny an identification document later.
Agreed
Loki Skywalker.
Jesus, these parents need a smack
Naming children after the mythical figures of a culture is perfectly acceptable.
True and fair, but what do you think when you hear that someone's name is Loki (who isn't from a Scandinavian country)?
"At least they know Thor was, deliberately, a dick"
And Jedi is actually recognised as an official religion in the US. And there’s plenty of people who identify as Jedi in the UK as well. So one could certainly argue that it’s violating someone’s religious beliefs by not allowing that name. At least Luke Skywalker has some evidence of existing…
At least Luke Skywalker has some evidence of existing…
Both are book fairy tales that had movie adaptations. They are more similar.
How many people in the world named Jesus or Mohammad?
I'm an atheist and even I know that's a weird comparison. You can't copyright the name Jesus. Or Loki even cause they're deities. But Skywalker as a name is for sure made up by Lucas. Maybe in 500 years when star wars is a recognized religion, but the star wars people need to do some conquering and crimes against humanity to qualify for that
My comment is not about them using copyrighted names. It's about how silly people are who name children over fictional characters.
Well my kid Coca-Cola Disney Unilever Squid is fucked.
Come on, Flying.... You knew that the minute you named them Coca-Cola Disney Unilever.
I mean can you just imagine the teasing we would have heard on the playground with "cola"? Everyone knows colas are the lowest soft drink.
That's why they go by Unilever.
go by Unilever
You'll have to introduce us all to little Nilev one day.
Please call my child by their preferred nickname: Uh-Oh Spaghetti-Os.
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Something as short as "Skywalker" can't be copyrighted. You don't need permission to use a trademark as long as you don't harm the brand or confuse the customer. Since trademarks are often family names, there are a number of unrelated companies that operate under the same name but in a different business.
Sure, but, also, that it's an existing brand is simply irrelevant to a personal name. You don't need to establish that it doesn't damage the brand, it can even directly damage the brand in fact, it still doesn't matter because people aren't products.
Isn't copyright just for commercial use? Is that different in Britain?
He says his son was eventually issued the passport and the family’s vacation is still on.
That’s not how copyright works anywhere. Read the Berne convention.
Man, that's a stupid name. Poor kid permanently tied to a pop culture reference. Two, if the Loki is referring to Marvel. Naming a kid is not an opportunity to express yourself. If you want people to know you like star wars, get a tattoo. Or a bumper sticker. And then I'll judge you. But leave the kid out of it.
How do you think Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Jacob etc feel named after made up Bible characters?
All names are made up.
Well, as an atheist I'm not a huge fan of biblical names either
Eh, those names were cultural before the Bible and they'll be cultural after it is forgotten as anything but an academic curiosity.
It’s fine.
If you can find a time machine, the braydens, jaydens, aydens, aidens, alicias, felicias, aleeshas, leEverythings, and every intentionally-misspelled version of a normal name, will be spared a lifetime of "it's like this but spelled like that because my mom sniffed glue" discussions.
That part really gets me. Why the fuck would you name your kid a name you can't fucking spell. And before paperwork is submitted there should be a law that steps in and stops the naming.
It's probably a reference to Marvel. In the Germanic tradition you a) don't name kids directly after gods, though gods may make up part of the name, say Thorgeir, Thor's spear, and b) not after Loki. Between fucking a horse (and getting pregnant) and tying a goat to his balls he really should be off limits.
Between fucking a horse (and getting pregnant) and tying a goat to his balls he really should be off limits.
So much for the tolerant left!!!
No no, both balls, not just the left one
It is incredibly stupid that the Passport office thinks that this is a copyright issue, but the parents logic is also baffling...
“We understand that Loki’s middle name is copyrighted, but we have no intention of using it for personal gain."
So you gave a child a name that they themselves won't be able to use for "personal gain" when they grow up? Acknowledging the inherent limitations of a name like this just sounds like you willfully set your kid up for failure.
Sounds to me like a case of parents treating their child like an accessory. You're not raising a child, you're raising a future adult. Maybe don't give them a legal name that is also a corporate brand name?
My son happens to have the name of one of my favorite comic book characters. However, it's only one of his names, and also it's a name that's real and normal so nobody would think twice about it.
I wouldn't name him such an obvious name that is only tired to the one character
I have a somewhat unusual name, that could me male or female. I really didn't like it growing up. Now i don't care anymore, moat people call me a wrong name anyway that sounds similar. But damn, growing up i just wanted a normal ass name.
growing up i just wanted a normal ass name.
Now, as an adult, you can name your ass whatever you want!
TL;DR: he wasn't denied. He was permitted.
He was later permitted. The delay being one bureacrat somewhere was being a corporate bootlicker, possibly based on some bootlicking regulation but maybe just a blanket misinterpretation of a law.
He [the father] says his son was eventually issued the passport and the family’s vacation is still on.
Sounds like that office doesn't know how their own rules work.
I think this is the second time this has happened in recent months. I am wondering if the UK bureaucracy has some sort of training about not violating trademarks generally, or some sort of software filter to avoid trademarked terms. Regardless, it seems like a fairly petty annoyance that affects a tiny number of people and can be worked around.
Or hell, maybe it's the same clerk and Gareth from Slough is sticking to his guns.
Why would you do that to your child? I mean, you wanna change your own name, go for it.
People have been choosing made up names from fiction for hundreds (thousands?) of years and as far I know, no one has died from it yet. Jessica is just a character from a play.
I get the sentiment but "Loki Skywalker" and "Jessica" are far from comparable even if Jessica would have been viewed in the same light 500 years ago.
If Luke hadn't run from responsibility in tertiary canon it'd be fine but honestly it's just a bad combination in terms of nominative determinism.
You are making a lot of assumptions about this childs parents. Starting with they had a concept of a plan to begin with.
concept of a plan
Are we talking about the weekly updates on Trumps healthcare plan? Look: he'll get a plan and we'll like it. There's no need to keep nagging him every year.
Well I can safely assume trump was dumb enough not to plan the birth of his children, it was like a personal Vietnam.
Nowadays naming your kid is a way to make a statement about yourself. Like a vanity plate.
yourself. Like a vanity plate.
You had me at Vanity and Yourself. That really encapsulates the impression.
The only thing that's stupid about this IMO is that Skywalker is supposed to be a last name, not a first/given name.
Just like Tiffany and countless other surnames. Things change.
Is that you, Richard Tiffany Gere?
I'd say if you are appropriating a name from a fictional character for your child (which seems an odd choice, but which I think people should be able to do) it probably doesn't matter much whether you take further creative liberties with it in that way.
Last names are often used as first names.
It's his middle name. His first name is Loki.
supposed to be a last name, not a first/given name.
Sounds to me like someone so the passport office was just being an idiot and when their supervisor looked into it it was resolved.
Government employee makes mistake, other employee corrects mistake, innocent family suffers minor inconvenience. Stay tuned for more.
Omg, i hope they are all ok. This must have been so traumatizing for all involved. I can't even
Don't forget to be outraged!
Private corporations tying the hands of governments with copyright BS? If I want to name my daughter Khaleesi Skywalker Gandalf Bethooven SpaceJam that's none of the governments nor some random corporations business. You can't trademark a fucking name, wtf is this bullshit? You don't get to decide what my name is, and you definitely don't get to hamstring official government agencies in their duties because you're butthurt about my sharing a name with your fictional character. Go fuck yourselves, disney. You slimy litigious fucks, this is why your brand is sinking.
This isn't a rule. Some bureaucrat was mistaken.
The same thing happened to another girl a couple weeks ago.
But it is indicitive of the Anglo-Saxon propensity for bootlicking. /Celtposting
The French do their arguably dumber "you can't call that thing you made what I call it even though it's the same recipe, because it wasn't grown where my ancient relatives made it," though. Also France's general xenophobia and owning a bona fide colony way later than the Anglos lol
You're talking about AOP (Appelation d'Origine Protégée / Protected Origin Naming). It makes senses because protected names are place names. You can't call any sparkling wine "champagne". It has to come from Champagne. However, you can call your raw milk cheese "faisselle" even if it wasn't made in Rians, as faisselle isn't a place.
Too bad this kid wasn't born at Skywalker Ranch, then
By that logic, you should object to cheese being labelled as "cheddar" cheese, because that's a place too and you've almost certainly never seen cheese which came from there.
It's a stupid rule
There is a West Country Farmhouse Cheddar PDO at the European level for cheddar from Cheddar.
I wouldnt see it as stupid, people and governments want to protect what they produce.
If it doesnt matter then have prosecco and everyone is happy.
Yeah, Disney is slimy, but for once this isn't their doing. Some paper pusher overstepped their boundaries, that's not on Disney.
There are rules around names for children with food reason, if you name your child Hitler and Unwanted you can expect government intervention because it can be perceived as child abuse by putting undue stress and difficulty on the child.
Which I believe is fair
This name doesnt quite hit that mark but I would defend government intervention when naming children for outlier cases.
All fair and good, but that kid has been named without government interference, so the name is legally given. So they shouldn't be able to then deny an identification document later.
Agreed
Loki Skywalker. Jesus, these parents need a smack
Naming children after the mythical figures of a culture is perfectly acceptable.
True and fair, but what do you think when you hear that someone's name is Loki (who isn't from a Scandinavian country)?
"At least they know Thor was, deliberately, a dick"
And Jedi is actually recognised as an official religion in the US. And there’s plenty of people who identify as Jedi in the UK as well. So one could certainly argue that it’s violating someone’s religious beliefs by not allowing that name. At least Luke Skywalker has some evidence of existing…
Both are book fairy tales that had movie adaptations. They are more similar.
How many people in the world named Jesus or Mohammad?
I'm an atheist and even I know that's a weird comparison. You can't copyright the name Jesus. Or Loki even cause they're deities. But Skywalker as a name is for sure made up by Lucas. Maybe in 500 years when star wars is a recognized religion, but the star wars people need to do some conquering and crimes against humanity to qualify for that
My comment is not about them using copyrighted names. It's about how silly people are who name children over fictional characters.
Well my kid Coca-Cola Disney Unilever Squid is fucked.
Come on, Flying.... You knew that the minute you named them Coca-Cola Disney Unilever.
I mean can you just imagine the teasing we would have heard on the playground with "cola"? Everyone knows colas are the lowest soft drink.
That's why they go by Unilever.
You'll have to introduce us all to little Nilev one day.
Please call my child by their preferred nickname: Uh-Oh Spaghetti-Os.
Brought to you by Carl's Junior
Something as short as "Skywalker" can't be copyrighted. You don't need permission to use a trademark as long as you don't harm the brand or confuse the customer. Since trademarks are often family names, there are a number of unrelated companies that operate under the same name but in a different business.
Sure, but, also, that it's an existing brand is simply irrelevant to a personal name. You don't need to establish that it doesn't damage the brand, it can even directly damage the brand in fact, it still doesn't matter because people aren't products.
Isn't copyright just for commercial use? Is that different in Britain?
That’s not how copyright works anywhere. Read the Berne convention.
Man, that's a stupid name. Poor kid permanently tied to a pop culture reference. Two, if the Loki is referring to Marvel. Naming a kid is not an opportunity to express yourself. If you want people to know you like star wars, get a tattoo. Or a bumper sticker. And then I'll judge you. But leave the kid out of it.
How do you think Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Jacob etc feel named after made up Bible characters?
All names are made up.
Well, as an atheist I'm not a huge fan of biblical names either
Eh, those names were cultural before the Bible and they'll be cultural after it is forgotten as anything but an academic curiosity.
It’s fine.
If you can find a time machine, the braydens, jaydens, aydens, aidens, alicias, felicias, aleeshas, leEverythings, and every intentionally-misspelled version of a normal name, will be spared a lifetime of "it's like this but spelled like that because my mom sniffed glue" discussions.
That part really gets me. Why the fuck would you name your kid a name you can't fucking spell. And before paperwork is submitted there should be a law that steps in and stops the naming.
It's probably a reference to Marvel. In the Germanic tradition you a) don't name kids directly after gods, though gods may make up part of the name, say Thorgeir, Thor's spear, and b) not after Loki. Between fucking a horse (and getting pregnant) and tying a goat to his balls he really should be off limits.
So much for the tolerant left!!!
No no, both balls, not just the left one
It is incredibly stupid that the Passport office thinks that this is a copyright issue, but the parents logic is also baffling...
So you gave a child a name that they themselves won't be able to use for "personal gain" when they grow up? Acknowledging the inherent limitations of a name like this just sounds like you willfully set your kid up for failure.
Sounds to me like a case of parents treating their child like an accessory. You're not raising a child, you're raising a future adult. Maybe don't give them a legal name that is also a corporate brand name?
My son happens to have the name of one of my favorite comic book characters. However, it's only one of his names, and also it's a name that's real and normal so nobody would think twice about it. I wouldn't name him such an obvious name that is only tired to the one character
I have a somewhat unusual name, that could me male or female. I really didn't like it growing up. Now i don't care anymore, moat people call me a wrong name anyway that sounds similar. But damn, growing up i just wanted a normal ass name.
Now, as an adult, you can name your ass whatever you want!
TL;DR: he wasn't denied. He was permitted.
He was later permitted. The delay being one bureacrat somewhere was being a corporate bootlicker, possibly based on some bootlicking regulation but maybe just a blanket misinterpretation of a law.
Sounds like that office doesn't know how their own rules work.
I think this is the second time this has happened in recent months. I am wondering if the UK bureaucracy has some sort of training about not violating trademarks generally, or some sort of software filter to avoid trademarked terms. Regardless, it seems like a fairly petty annoyance that affects a tiny number of people and can be worked around.
Or hell, maybe it's the same clerk and Gareth from Slough is sticking to his guns.
Why would you do that to your child? I mean, you wanna change your own name, go for it.
People have been choosing made up names from fiction for hundreds (thousands?) of years and as far I know, no one has died from it yet. Jessica is just a character from a play.
I get the sentiment but "Loki Skywalker" and "Jessica" are far from comparable even if Jessica would have been viewed in the same light 500 years ago.
If Luke hadn't run from responsibility in tertiary canon it'd be fine but honestly it's just a bad combination in terms of nominative determinism.
You are making a lot of assumptions about this childs parents. Starting with they had a concept of a plan to begin with.
Are we talking about the weekly updates on Trumps healthcare plan? Look: he'll get a plan and we'll like it. There's no need to keep nagging him every year.
Well I can safely assume trump was dumb enough not to plan the birth of his children, it was like a personal Vietnam.
Nowadays naming your kid is a way to make a statement about yourself. Like a vanity plate.
You had me at Vanity and Yourself. That really encapsulates the impression.
The only thing that's stupid about this IMO is that Skywalker is supposed to be a last name, not a first/given name.
Just like Tiffany and countless other surnames. Things change.
Is that you, Richard Tiffany Gere?
I'd say if you are appropriating a name from a fictional character for your child (which seems an odd choice, but which I think people should be able to do) it probably doesn't matter much whether you take further creative liberties with it in that way.
Last names are often used as first names.
It's his middle name. His first name is Loki.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackenzie_Davis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_Kent_(Superman_%26_Lois)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_law_in_Sweden -- ultimately a godsend.
It's the middle name at least.
Should have named him Luke. It's a perfectly normal name, it'd fly under the radar. But youd still have named him after him.
Seems like that should be flagged for copyright infringement as well.
Would that not be trademark infringement, if anything?
This is stupid
So if they name a movie character Jane Doe then are they going to stop Jane Doe from getting a passport
It is stupid, yes, but they wouldn’t be able to do that anyway.
I’m fairly certain that the article is using the wrong term here and the problem is that the name Skywalker is trademarked.
You wouldn’t be able to trademark the name Jane Doe so you wouldn’t be able to prevent someone from using it.
A trademark does not prevent a person from using a term in a non-commercial setting, it does prevent other companies from doing so.
Is this US law, I'm assuming it is because its typically americans that mention legal stuff without saying what country the legal stuff is from
International and UK law are similar in this regard..
Kids first name is Loki.
That's badass.
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