It's strange how us older ex-metalheads are the first different generation music wise
Our parents were horrified by our taste in music. Their parents were horrified by their taste in music, their parents were horrified by their taste in music
We're the first generation that listens to our kids' music and goes
It's the same though isn't it?
While it's not the reason why we liked the music we liked (more punk than metal for me but same difference) it was always a bonus if your parents didn't like it. That's exactly the reaction that kids are getting from their parents now!
It is! But I'm glad you understand what I meant!
Oh I totally did
Well there are two areas to explore here. The quality of the music and it's message. And the parenting we endured. I became a metal head for both reasons. My parents music didn't resonate with me. The over simplified music structure just bored me. There wasn't anything epic about it. And then the message didn't resonate when it was all happy rose gardens and unicorns. My dad was an abusive asshole. Metal gave me that angry outlet.
At least my mom understands where I come from even she doesn't understand why I listen to what I listen to. She divorced him and shit changed. Now my son loves metal and his mom doesn't get it.
Yeah I hear you, those experiences would no doubt stear you to something that provided an outlet. But, and I want to acknowledge that I'm not dismissing anything you endure, ultimately rebellion is what we're talking about and the eventual outlet is almost irrelevant.
I'm glad you're able to share music you like with you son.
Well I think everyone rebels in one way or another. How each kid does that is up to them.
My mom likes metal now 🤷
Same with mine. She's the reason I love Rammstein. We share music with each other a lot, it's awesome. My dads more old fashioned and likes classic rock but he'll tolerate me and my brother playing our favourite metal songs for him at least!
Yeah my father was not having in when I was a teen but thankfully they never tried to get me to listen to something else, it was fine as long as it was in my room lol.
I got my mom who turns 70 this year into Dog Fashion Disco. She loves it.
I wasn't super into metal when I was a kid, I was more into funk and blues. But then my son decided to put on some garbage than he calls funk music. I was disgusted and promptly changed the song to sam and Dave.
That’s a testament to the tolerance of millennials. We are more open minded and will at least listen to what our kids have to say.
I'm really into new metal bands though, because they are constantly releasing stuff. There are bands out there like Black Breath that will still melt your face off, but I really like the more experimental side of metal, with bands like Abstract Void, Unreqvited, and Botanist
all pushing the envelope of what metal is.
Five Finger Death Punch is as close as you can possibly get to pop music without leaving the genre of metal completely. I don't judge people if it's their jam, I just think they are extremely mediocre at best. It's no coincidence that the majority of their most popular songs are covers.
But hey, people like what they like.
I just feel like their songs are specifically targeted to edgy 13 year olds. "wrong side of heaven and righteous side of hell" I mean, c'mon.
Its called suburbia and nothing ever happens
I mean, c'mon.
Right or wrong? I can hardly tell.
The maturity of a 13 years old, but it's listened by angry genXers and older millenials.
I don't get this point of view, maybe I should because it sounds logical. But again sometimes I want to listen to harpsichords in E by Bach. And sometimes I want to listen to hallowed be thy name from iron maiden, sometimes I want to listen to a nightmare to remember by dream theater, and sometimes I want to listen to wrong side of heaven by ffdp.
It's like the same logic that I love eatimg healthy home made delicious filipino food every day of the week, by my excellent cook of a wife. And yet occasionally I get a craving for a menu at burger King with a monster energy drink.
It is as if there is redeemable factors in both
Tbf, the metal bands you mentioned are all on the operatic side of metal, which is a nice subgenre. Many metal fans would say that there are definitive bands which categorize one subgen vs another. I’ve never heard of Five Finger Death Punch, and thought the name was actually Five Flavored Fruit Punch. Maybe an opportunity for Weird Al here 😁
Weird al ruins songs for me, I just forget the original lyrics, and now weird als lyrics is the only thing I can think of when I hear the song
Haha fair, but it’s almost an honor to get a Weird Al parody, I think
Yes, unless you are Coolio or prince
I tend to like pop metal the same way I like pop punk. It's not going to make me feel anything but it's catchy. It's good for working out or working on the motorcycle and similar things where I want a driving background but don't want to get way into it.
That being said, the kind of people who listen to FFDP put me off of their music. It's like that's the first metal they ever heard then decided to make it their whole personality.
I agree they are mediocre (at best), but as for sounding poppy, you're forgetting we have a whole metal subgenre called hair metal.
Yeah but hair metal had raw sex appeal. They'd fuck your girl, and maybe you too, and you were ok with it. Sure it's musically lighter, but they went hard. On the other hand, you assume 5FDP is on tour again because they're behind on child support payments.
Ghost is in the same boat. Don't get me wrong, they write some great songs, but they are perilously close to pop
I've seen Ghost described as "Spooky ABBA" and somehow it kinda checks out. Not even mad, ABBA is great and so is Ghost
"Bon Jovi for Goth Dads" is the other one I enjoy. I love Ghost, Tobias writes exactly the music he wants. Not trying to be metal, he was heavily influenced by og heavy metal (Sabbath) and the theatrics of the glam/hair metal era (Kiss). Combine the two and ya, that's just Ghost.
It's very intentionally campy and fun, like year round Halloween.
To their defense, I think they are really self aware. The campiness and the theatrics are all intentional. It almost has a musical (the broadway kind) aspect to it. 5FDP actually believe they are hard.
A series I personally love listening to while working out. Especially the 80s pop covers.
That is hilarious.
I always come back to I Prevail's cover of Blank Space. Sometimes it can even trick me into believing Tswift is a good song writer
Or Ice Nine Kills parodying both the song and the music video and managing to make it less creepy in the process
Well, there’s also “punk goes pop” stuff
My favorite. Those lyrics were surprisingly unsettling.
Sounds like metal gate keeping
As opposed to wooden gate keeping
Do you like Cradle of Filth?
They changed my life
Do you like Huey Lewis and the News?
Don't everyone have both nymphetamine fix and the power of love in the same Playlist?
Honestly don't understand the hate ffdp gets.
If someone could clue me in that'd be nice cause like I genuinely like a lot of their original songs as well as the remakes.
I like their stuff, but I'll admit that a ton of it sounds the same. On the other hand, people almost always complain when bands go "experimental", so I consider it a somewhat good thing actually
I have no clue about music in general, but ffdp are pretty basic when it comes to their song structure, a lot of simple and repetitive rhythms. Add to that that they sound recorded better than live (IMO) and they're American which can lead to prejudices in the metal community and the bands easy to joke about.
they sound recorded better than live
That's like 90% of all musicians though.
I'd disagree... but opinions...
Their music was pretty great back in the day, but their more recent stuff sounds like schizophrenic whinging, and their music videos make them look like maga fascists. I have done zero research on what their opinions actually are.
I like their first couple albums and they write extremely catchy songs, but their lyrics feel just a little too douchey for my taste. They're a fantastic cover band though.
They sound too much like divorced dad rock for my liking. But I listen to system of a down and disturbed....so who am I to complain
i think the reson behind that has little to do with the music. idk how it is now but a few years ago the band had baddd infighting and made it all public. i am talking up to the level of dissolving the band on stage, just to continue for the revenue the next day. I assume many of the ffdp haters were fans of the music back then, but got dissapointed by the musicans to the point they couldnt enjoy it anymore.
Remember if someone hates a thing, its likely they still care about it.
hit me with some brutal recommendations if you got them. it's been a while and I'm out-of the loop
Idk what genres you like so here’s a few recommendations across a few genres. On phone so no links.
I’ve been obsessing over Hiræth lately, probably one of the best albums I have ever heard. It’s not a metal album, but it scratches that itch I have for metal, so it’s going on this list lol
Witching - Vernal (blackened sludge)
Flummox - Rephlummoxed (prog death/avant garde)
Mamaleek - Vida Blue (avant garde)
Rail Yard Ghosts - Hiræth (Blackgrass/Blackened folk punk, large band)
Woe - Hope Attrition (black metal/RABM)
Botanist - Paleobotany (Experimental Black metal)
An Abstract Illusion - Woe (prog death)
Slaughter to prevail
Archspire
Igorrr
Blood incantation
All are in my heavy rotation right now, I like weird envelope pushing metal.
Igorrrr are solid, definitely doing some different shit. Dunno the others.
Your list shows up perfect when I go to respond, but in normal view, Lemmy doesn't put your lines in.
Some of my current favourites : Blood Incantation, Ulcerate, Worm, Civerous, The Ruins of Beverast.
Not especially brutal, but a couple of the bands I've been listening to lately are Sabaton and The HU.
Metal bands can scream and growl as much as they want, they will never hit as hard as the last minute of "I love you, I'm going to blow up your school" by MOGWAI, or pretty much anything by SWANS.
It's strange how us older ex-metalheads are the first different generation music wise
Our parents were horrified by our taste in music. Their parents were horrified by their taste in music, their parents were horrified by their taste in music
We're the first generation that listens to our kids' music and goes
It's the same though isn't it? While it's not the reason why we liked the music we liked (more punk than metal for me but same difference) it was always a bonus if your parents didn't like it. That's exactly the reaction that kids are getting from their parents now!
It is! But I'm glad you understand what I meant!
Oh I totally did
Well there are two areas to explore here. The quality of the music and it's message. And the parenting we endured. I became a metal head for both reasons. My parents music didn't resonate with me. The over simplified music structure just bored me. There wasn't anything epic about it. And then the message didn't resonate when it was all happy rose gardens and unicorns. My dad was an abusive asshole. Metal gave me that angry outlet.
At least my mom understands where I come from even she doesn't understand why I listen to what I listen to. She divorced him and shit changed. Now my son loves metal and his mom doesn't get it.
Yeah I hear you, those experiences would no doubt stear you to something that provided an outlet. But, and I want to acknowledge that I'm not dismissing anything you endure, ultimately rebellion is what we're talking about and the eventual outlet is almost irrelevant.
I'm glad you're able to share music you like with you son.
Well I think everyone rebels in one way or another. How each kid does that is up to them.
My mom likes metal now 🤷
Same with mine. She's the reason I love Rammstein. We share music with each other a lot, it's awesome. My dads more old fashioned and likes classic rock but he'll tolerate me and my brother playing our favourite metal songs for him at least!
Yeah my father was not having in when I was a teen but thankfully they never tried to get me to listen to something else, it was fine as long as it was in my room lol.
I got my mom who turns 70 this year into Dog Fashion Disco. She loves it.
I wasn't super into metal when I was a kid, I was more into funk and blues. But then my son decided to put on some garbage than he calls funk music. I was disgusted and promptly changed the song to sam and Dave.
That’s a testament to the tolerance of millennials. We are more open minded and will at least listen to what our kids have to say.
I'm really into new metal bands though, because they are constantly releasing stuff. There are bands out there like Black Breath that will still melt your face off, but I really like the more experimental side of metal, with bands like Abstract Void, Unreqvited, and Botanist all pushing the envelope of what metal is.
Five Finger Death Punch is as close as you can possibly get to pop music without leaving the genre of metal completely. I don't judge people if it's their jam, I just think they are extremely mediocre at best. It's no coincidence that the majority of their most popular songs are covers.
But hey, people like what they like.
I just feel like their songs are specifically targeted to edgy 13 year olds. "wrong side of heaven and righteous side of hell" I mean, c'mon.
Its called suburbia and nothing ever happens
Right or wrong? I can hardly tell.
The maturity of a 13 years old, but it's listened by angry genXers and older millenials.
I don't get this point of view, maybe I should because it sounds logical. But again sometimes I want to listen to harpsichords in E by Bach. And sometimes I want to listen to hallowed be thy name from iron maiden, sometimes I want to listen to a nightmare to remember by dream theater, and sometimes I want to listen to wrong side of heaven by ffdp.
It's like the same logic that I love eatimg healthy home made delicious filipino food every day of the week, by my excellent cook of a wife. And yet occasionally I get a craving for a menu at burger King with a monster energy drink.
It is as if there is redeemable factors in both
Tbf, the metal bands you mentioned are all on the operatic side of metal, which is a nice subgenre. Many metal fans would say that there are definitive bands which categorize one subgen vs another. I’ve never heard of Five Finger Death Punch, and thought the name was actually Five Flavored Fruit Punch. Maybe an opportunity for Weird Al here 😁
Weird al ruins songs for me, I just forget the original lyrics, and now weird als lyrics is the only thing I can think of when I hear the song
Haha fair, but it’s almost an honor to get a Weird Al parody, I think
Yes, unless you are Coolio or prince
I tend to like pop metal the same way I like pop punk. It's not going to make me feel anything but it's catchy. It's good for working out or working on the motorcycle and similar things where I want a driving background but don't want to get way into it.
That being said, the kind of people who listen to FFDP put me off of their music. It's like that's the first metal they ever heard then decided to make it their whole personality.
I agree they are mediocre (at best), but as for sounding poppy, you're forgetting we have a whole metal subgenre called hair metal.
Yeah but hair metal had raw sex appeal. They'd fuck your girl, and maybe you too, and you were ok with it. Sure it's musically lighter, but they went hard. On the other hand, you assume 5FDP is on tour again because they're behind on child support payments.
Ghost is in the same boat. Don't get me wrong, they write some great songs, but they are perilously close to pop
I've seen Ghost described as "Spooky ABBA" and somehow it kinda checks out. Not even mad, ABBA is great and so is Ghost
"Bon Jovi for Goth Dads" is the other one I enjoy. I love Ghost, Tobias writes exactly the music he wants. Not trying to be metal, he was heavily influenced by og heavy metal (Sabbath) and the theatrics of the glam/hair metal era (Kiss). Combine the two and ya, that's just Ghost.
It's very intentionally campy and fun, like year round Halloween.
To their defense, I think they are really self aware. The campiness and the theatrics are all intentional. It almost has a musical (the broadway kind) aspect to it. 5FDP actually believe they are hard.
Well, there's also "punk goes pop" stuff, like the good old https://youtube.com/watch?v=gbMbCbEp5cA
A series I personally love listening to while working out. Especially the 80s pop covers.
That is hilarious.
I always come back to I Prevail's cover of Blank Space. Sometimes it can even trick me into believing Tswift is a good song writer
Or Ice Nine Kills parodying both the song and the music video and managing to make it less creepy in the process
My favorite. Those lyrics were surprisingly unsettling.
Sounds like metal gate keeping
As opposed to wooden gate keeping
Do you like Cradle of Filth?
They changed my life
Do you like Huey Lewis and the News?
Don't everyone have both nymphetamine fix and the power of love in the same Playlist?
Honestly don't understand the hate ffdp gets.
If someone could clue me in that'd be nice cause like I genuinely like a lot of their original songs as well as the remakes.
I like their stuff, but I'll admit that a ton of it sounds the same. On the other hand, people almost always complain when bands go "experimental", so I consider it a somewhat good thing actually
I have no clue about music in general, but ffdp are pretty basic when it comes to their song structure, a lot of simple and repetitive rhythms. Add to that that they sound recorded better than live (IMO) and they're American which can lead to prejudices in the metal community and the bands easy to joke about.
That's like 90% of all musicians though.
I'd disagree... but opinions...
Their music was pretty great back in the day, but their more recent stuff sounds like schizophrenic whinging, and their music videos make them look like maga fascists. I have done zero research on what their opinions actually are.
I like their first couple albums and they write extremely catchy songs, but their lyrics feel just a little too douchey for my taste. They're a fantastic cover band though.
They sound too much like divorced dad rock for my liking. But I listen to system of a down and disturbed....so who am I to complain
i think the reson behind that has little to do with the music. idk how it is now but a few years ago the band had baddd infighting and made it all public. i am talking up to the level of dissolving the band on stage, just to continue for the revenue the next day. I assume many of the ffdp haters were fans of the music back then, but got dissapointed by the musicans to the point they couldnt enjoy it anymore.
Remember if someone hates a thing, its likely they still care about it.
MFW: people don't like my chillout music
Holy shit, that shit fucking slaps!
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hit me with some brutal recommendations if you got them. it's been a while and I'm out-of the loop
Idk what genres you like so here’s a few recommendations across a few genres. On phone so no links.
I’ve been obsessing over Hiræth lately, probably one of the best albums I have ever heard. It’s not a metal album, but it scratches that itch I have for metal, so it’s going on this list lol
Slaughter to prevail
Archspire
Igorrr
Blood incantation
All are in my heavy rotation right now, I like weird envelope pushing metal.
Igorrrr are solid, definitely doing some different shit. Dunno the others.
Your list shows up perfect when I go to respond, but in normal view, Lemmy doesn't put your lines in.
Edited, thanks
https://lemmy.world/post/19492330
I've had the EP that this track comes from on repeat for a while now.
Specific tracks, for your convenience:
Blackbraid - The river of time flows through me
Klevertak - Blodtørst
Kanonenfieber - Sturmtrupp
The most recent Cattle Decapitation album fucking shreds.
I have lately been enjoying this one Osiah - Kairos
Infant Annihilator - Decapitation Fornication
Intent is awesome if you like Slayer
the fruit loop?
Crypta
Some of my current favourites : Blood Incantation, Ulcerate, Worm, Civerous, The Ruins of Beverast.
Not especially brutal, but a couple of the bands I've been listening to lately are Sabaton and The HU.
Metal bands can scream and growl as much as they want, they will never hit as hard as the last minute of "I love you, I'm going to blow up your school" by MOGWAI, or pretty much anything by SWANS.
It's not metal to drink a fruity drink?
I drink filtered cattle blood (milk).
No, you gotta drink beer all the time.
I've got a keg of Zima and O'Doul's on-tap.
I find this funny because I only like technical death metal, like the pizza passage, sporeception, and sly cropped dick
its all about Maggot Twat
I'm going to pretend I know what this is about and go back to listening to the Ink Spots.
I don't want to set the woooorld on fiiii-re
That's a good one, but this is my favorite Ink Spots song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udjA9Pk3LMU
"What's your favorite flavors?"
"Blue and Black!"
There's nothing more subversive than the Thin Blue Line sticker on their lifted Dodge RAM
Thank you I needed new stuff to check out.
fruit punch will turn metal into marmalade