should we be discussing reddit less?

Ilikemoney@beehaw.org to Chat@beehaw.org – 485 points –

Seems like a good portion of the activity in the communities is reddit oriented. If the goal is leaving/hurting reddit, it seems we should be continuing on like it doesn't exist, instead of continuing to drive interest to the site. Thoughts?

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reddit was like this when digg died. it won't make the front page in a few weeks but it'll come up randomly in the comments for decades after

This place kinda seems like that sloshed guy at the bar who unprompted keeps talking about how over his ex he is.

Some of us are going through an actual grieving process over losing reddit. That place was my online home for like 15 years. It's the kind of thing that definitely deserves drunk-bar-ranting.

Yeah I think people are underestimating how much time was invested. Imagine if Gmail just up and vanished and you had to use something else after being so invested, ofcourse people are going to be talking about it for ages until the annoyance passes

Yeah, this seems mean. The place turned into a shithole, but I loved that shithole for a long time.

No?

Let people grieve, man. Beehaw getting more popular as a discussion platform is 99% because of the overnight management collapse of Reddit. Of course people are going to feel down and want to talk about a community space that was home for many, many people for over a decade.

I understand if you're getting weary of the constantly discussion, but it'll gradually taper off over the next few weeks as this drama dies down. Or until Spez gets tired of constantly making angry, short-sited decisions and statements to any media outlet that will listen to his rants.

People will make alternative platforms their new home rather than dwell on their lost one eventually. Even if the bad press makes Reddit eventually walks back their decisions, the way they're handled the API change fallout has been so overtly aggressive and dismissive IMO they've permanently incinerated all trust in their leadership amongst many. I definitely never want to go back.

I've never seen a social media platform treat the wishes of its users with such contempt so abruptly. Some shareholder must be breathing down Steve's neck real heavy.

Talking about Reddit is like thinking about your ex right after the break up. It sucks and oddly satisfying at the same time, and it will pass šŸ˜…

Similarly, I almost liken it to getting out of an abusive relationship. Not exactly of course because it's just a website, but similar.

I joined Reddit in the middle of an abusive relationship. I don't even need "almost" as a qualifier.

"Look at all these nice things I'll give you for the low, low price of making you feel like you can't function without me through a series of increasingly hostile and degrading actions while making you believe that this is the best you'll ever find."

A domineering ex who kept moving the goalposts while gaslighting you.
But the sex was usually fantastic, and it kept you hooked.

Honestly, I can't relate and don't understand what is ofdly satisfying about that.

It'll happen on its own. Right now, that's sort of akin to asking New Yorkers on Sept. 15, 2001, why everyone's still talking about the attacks.

Lol did you just call this Redditor's 9/11?

Hyperbole, but selected because Reddit is still on fire. Fires at the WTC were not completely extinguished until Dec. 20, 2001.

I'm of the opinion that the fediverse (and more specifically kbin) is my new home to talk about stuff. Reddit's been in the news and on my mind, so why not talk about it? Talking about other platforms isn't necessarily advocating for them. And people are gonna wanna talk about stuff. if not here, then where?

I do think it's important to encourage discussion of topics other than reddit, but to just avoid discussing reddit entirely? idk. Like I'd still talk about facebook, twitter, instagram, etc here if they're relevant and in the news.

I personally think the reddit discussion is starting to overstay it's welcome, and it would be good to show that we can talk, in depth even, about other things.

yup, it has gone on quite a while. I think people are still joining though which kinda makes it an evergreen topic for the time being.

I'm thinking of this as a grieving period. I was on Reddit via Sync for over 10 years multiple times a day. I'm angry, annoyed, and sick over the entire situation, and commiserating with other Reddit orphans is helping me transition to Lemmy. It will slowly die down over the next few months and we'll find something else to direct our rage at. šŸ˜‰

This is how I see it as well. Reddit has been a big part of a lot of people's everyday lives, and to have something so momentous happen seemingly overnight is disruptive and distressing (to varying degrees for different individuals). It's going to take time for us to process what's happened and what that means for us all going forwards. The silver lining is that because a lot of us are going through similar emotions, we can support each other. c:

That's a good way to put it. I'm still partially in denial and think it's possible for the admins to reverse course. But I admit, it isn't terribly likely. After the 30th I'm giving up on it.

Reddit was important to a lot of us for a long time. It's natural to talk about it, especially while the dumpster fire is still burning. If half the conversations are still about reddit after things calm down I'll start to worry, but for now they keep finding new ways of pissing everyone off, so there keeps being new stuff to talk about.

Yeah, right now, it seems like most of the conversations are about Reddit, Lemmy, and the Fediverse, how it works, what it's for, and what defederation means in a link aggregation community format. Surely, we'll get into a place where we're all comfortable, and we're not all still being self-congratulatory about how cool we think everything is

Tbh as long as it's relevant news, I don't see any reason why not to. Like. The reddit discourse will die down, but watching a site implode in realtime is worth talking about even if we weren't active reddit users at one point yknow, like. It's interesting and worth talking about, add on to that the fact that there's some semblance of personal stakes and it's gonna be p prevalent around here. But that'll die down with time.

Just give it time. People are still in the process of discovering Lemmy, so the reddit talk will go on for a bit. I also expect a ā€œspikeā€ at the end of the month, when most 3rd party apps shut down.

Beyond that, I donā€™t think reddit will be the subject of many posts - unless something major happens.

Personally, it's nice to be getting news of Reddit without giving them any traffic. It'll be old news eventually and I'm not a huge fan of shutting down natural discussion.

I think one of the reasons we might be discussing Reddit so much is because it's the one unifying topic that everyone on here can relate to.

like all hot news this will be old news.

what will be difficult is all the FOMO, what is reddit doing? whats the top news over there. Im caring less and less.

im intrested in how you're doing instead beehaw, are you okay?

I do find myself almost reflexively returning to Reddit at times but I ended up unsubscribing from like 80% of the subs I was in including everything that has a relevant community here. That's really helping me care less about what is going on there and I have been consistently interacting more on here than there for a week now.

Plus, everyone has been so nice. Admittedly I have not explored too much further beyond Beehaw.

Yes. You will never get over your ex if you keep bringing up your ex, talking about her non stop, and asking everyone what she's up without you. You have anew gf now. Let the old one go. She never really liked you anyway.

I had this exact same thought lol. Figured someone in the comments was ahead of me XD

I disagree. We should be discussing Reddit even more. It's only a matter of time before web crawlers see Reddit being mentioned so much, it might just end up being on the first page of search results. Advertisers are going to see less value from Reddit as it slowly becomes just low-quality posts, users who don't spend money, and adblock users on the platform.

Half of the content I see on here is about reddit, and they're also some of the most active posts. I feel like anyone looking for an alternative to reddit might take one look around and conclude we don't have much to offer besides bashing reddit.

There had been a daily reddit megathread showing up on my front page, and I thought that was a good middle ground.

The same was the problem with mastodon when we got a lot of users when failon musk bought it, people will get rid of it in a while and we'll get to discuss interesting stuff.

Also, the communities that would be providing the interesting stuff in the first place are still in the process of getting settled in.

I don't think we need to consider optics like that. If all we talk about is what we want to, the people who want to talk about that will stick around, and the people who don't won't. I doubt it'll stick around for too long though.

Some complaining is natural.

However, one problem I have with Mastodon is people talk way too much about Twitter on it. IMO they should just let Mastodon be Mastodon. But, on Mastodon it's been months, with Reddit it's been like a day haha. Let people vent a little bit. But I think you're on the right track.

Whenever anyone questions what 'we' should do I strongly suspect Hall Monitor tendencies and hamfisted political aspirations. The passive phrasing hides nothing.

I'll talk about what I want. Lets talk about that well worn contradictory canard where you promote something by pretending you want it stifled.

In short, 'we' is just working its collective self out and attempts to steer it at this stage is naive, premature and revealing. IMO

Your premise rests on driving people towards reddit by mentioning it. Hardly a sturdy premise.

Someone asking a question is hardly authoritarian, Let's try being a bit more charitable rather than jumping to conclusions please

This will happen naturally once the dust from the protest and dead 3rd party apps settles. Just give it time.

Yup when I migrated from Digg to reddit in the big exodus 12 years back there was a lot of chatter surrounding the whole thing... lasted a month or two as I recall... then we "refugees" settled into an integration of communities...

I expect similar to occur here.

People are mourning the loss of a platform. I think it's okay that a majority of Reddit alternatives are talking about its death (at least for them).

I still use Reddit but have been exploring alternatives.

It's okay to discuss reddit, eventually it will go away but I want to people to discuss lemmy on reddit moree. I want all the mods who are still protesting to ditch reddit and make a new community here and link it in the subreddit is private message. It will make an impact and people will actually move because they have no where else to go.

I think memes are a good way to pass a message on reddit. Someone do itt.

This is what's happening now. This is what's in the news. This is what a lot of us care about. So it's natural that this is what we're going to talk about.

Don't worry, it will all blow over, and we'll naturally move on to different topics.

Having posted a lot of Reddit news, I was beginning to wonder that myself. But one of them got more than 700 upvotes (!!!) and my eyes sort of glazed over and I got upvote happy. So, potentially, yes, shame on me. On the other hand, there are a lot of folks here now who have invested a lot of blood, sweat, and tears over there, and are interested to know what's going on, even if it happens to be going down in flames. So, depending on what people say here, I might well be persuaded to give it a rest. I think the most important thing, though, is that we have growing Lemmy/Beehaw communities which have become, and will hopefully stay, a really solid alternative to Reddit.

I am missing the front page of my time wasting app not being entirely about internet drama (as much as I want to see reddit fail now)

It's similar to when a work colleague comes back from holiday and you can hear them recount their holiday stories to everyone else.

Yes, it gets boring quickly but the novelty will soon wear off and at some point the comedies will become self aware that they are repeating the same stories over and over and die a little inside.

Take it upon yourself to post comment other than Reddit or about how everyone posts about Reddit

Itā€™s been said before, but talking through it is a coping mechanism. Like it or not, a lot of people are/were heavily invested in that site, and talking through it is a way to help clear the air and start to move forward.

Itā€™s drama is dominating social media right now, so itā€™s hard to NOT see it and hear about it, but we all need to let each other move on in the way thatā€™s best for each of us.

Yeah, I definitely feel like I can't shut up about it/stop engaging with it because that's how I'm processing my decision to move away from it. (And because, like @Breafulus_Emphotoga points out, Reddit is/was really addictive, so I'm struggling to go cold turkey and need a support group lol.)

I think about it this way: this protest/blackout was the most interesting thing I've gotten from Reddit in quite a while--so it only makes sense that I want to go somewhere else and talk about it, right? XD

This is very true, I've noticed I've had more free time and others have as well since the start of the end for reddit, reddit was extremely addictive and now people either have to find an alternative, which isn't easy if you use reddit for most of your information or entertainment, or stay on the platform where worse mods are replacing the subs' old mods and most the site is dead.

I say give it a few or 2 and it should die down a lot more as people become more comfortable with the alternatives they chose.

I agree. The more we talk about Reddit, the more curiosity we drive up about it. I don't think we'll ever completely stop talking about it though since a lot of people have only moved over recently and are still in the process of adjusting and comparing!

I think it's kind of the natural flow of things considering the migration but I also feel like it'll die down over time as people get used to lemmy.

It's a nice idea but right now reddit is a very interesting topic. I hope they crash and burn and it's nice to hear about their insane things.

Itā€™s fine. Some shit just went down so Reddit is going to be negatively in all news for a bit, but it should fade to the background as more people generate content here instead of there. Reddit seems determined on being the next 9gag, just have to wait for a few weeks

Yes, stop talking about reddit! This said, I changed and the removed all my comments/posts and deleted my Reddit account afterwards! :)

I'm waiting to delete on June 30th, hoping other will do the same and it will make at least a ripple

Don't put off deleting your past comments too long, without the API you can only delete the 1000 most recent comments.

That said, when I tried to use Redact yesterday it was obvious reddit has some shenanigans going on - it would drop authenticated status on the first attempt to delete a message via the API.

So it's perhaps already too late.

I'm waiting for June 30th/July 1st to delete but in my heart I've left Reddit

As a transplant, my view is that the most productive discussion around reddit is how to replace the spaces people lose when they stop using it. I enjoy beehaw way more than reddit overall, but a lot of my favorite communities don't have equivalents on Lemmy. I didn't use it as a content aggregator, I used it as a community space, and that's much harder to replace.

Nah, it's really topical and helps ease people into the community by having common ground to start off on. Plus, it's cathartic to slam them in a place where they have no power.

I think it'll die down on its own over time. I remember when I first joined Mastodon back in November, it felt like my entire feed was full of people who were migrating from Twitter but were still talking about Twitter this and Elon that, and eventually those people either left or found something else to talk about.

Yeah, totally. Itā€™s a place to vent and others will come here and see all the crap Reddit is doing.

Mastodon was on about Twitter for like a month before people stopped caring about it.

Plus, I need to get my drama dose from somewhere.

I feel as if the reddit discussing is dragging on, getting kinda annoying ngl. But as others have said, I think it will eventually die out since the big ol' migration will eventually come to a slow, meaning that lemmy can grow on its own

I think it's natural that reddit will be discussed a lot during the next few weeks. We might see a new spike around june 30th when the API get restricted (cost money). From then on it will slowly die down, I hope. As a topic it might never die completely. People still talk about digg, and true old timers bring up BBS's and such. Many of us, me included are reddit refuges, I think it's natural to help vent some frustration by discussing it with peers on this instance.

A single daily (or weekly) thread would be nice. Get all the people to talk in there, let us discuss eh, how much we enjoy the silence! :)

YES!!! It's lame. It's become obligatory to post some kind of thoughts on Reddit vs Lemmy. Take that effort and go find a link or something and post it.

A change of relationships takes time. At first, the old relationship still has a persuasion-pull upon someone, but as time moves on that all changes.

The two biggest topics I keep seeing are questions on how a redditor can transition to this different format, and how reddit keeps setting fire to itself as it pretends everything is fine. I see no reason to stop talking about either. We can't pretend Reddit never existed and how its content that we provided is important to the internet. I'm all about moving on to the next adventure and trying to do it better, but we do have to remember examples of the past that both did and didn't do things well.

I mean, sure, I'd rather not hear that much about it, but people are grieving. I'm sure it'll die down and people need room to work through their feelings.

I donā€™t mind it and itā€™s helping me whoā€™s trying to transition off reddit feel more at home

Kinda feels like someone going on and on about their ex while on a date with a new person

Just think of it as an opportunity to watch something burn in the rearview mirror.

Even if a lot of us weren't on reddit before, it's such a big social media site that it's very relevant and for a while will definitely be an interest on any general forum/link aggregator.

Bruh seriously, I'm glad the community is growing and have been waiting for a good enough reason to leave Reddit, but half the posts here about how we're so much better than Reddit and Reddit sucks. I came here to lurk original and non-bot content, not to pat each other's backs

Honestly, I really like the idea of when somebody googles reddit, and they start seeing all of the lemmy posts popping up instead.

It's to be expected during the transition period. Honestly if that's what it takes to get users over here, I say more power to them.

There are a couple reddit focused communities that I am following but my goal is eventually to just focus on these new spaces and less on reddit. I think it will take some time, and the amount of time will differ from person to person.

I feel the vast majority of new people joining these federated sites are coming from Reddit, so having the discourse centered around getting them in, explaining how things work and so on is pretty important for user adoption.

I know there's an underlying feeling that these redditors are all going to flood the place but the more people using these sites and the more engagement can only be a positive

The discussion about reddit will naturally die overtime but it's probably going to get worse before it gets better.

Thoughts? Your time would be better spent creating mew content/ engaging with content you like instead of making to discuss the discussing of redditā€¦

Yes, please! I can't wait for non reddit/lemmy/fediverse oriented subjects to rise to the top of the feed. I'm guessing it will take months.

I'm just here for the general "news", I can't get on my reddit feed anymore, tech news included. To that end, I'm for it being talked about as long as spez is still stirring the pot. I think it'll die down over time as others say as well

It has been nice and have more free timeā€¦ but I also do enjoy reading the dirt on whatā€™s going on ngl.

I think many of us are coming from Reddit due to the actions of that one guy in charge, so it makes sense that there would be an increase of Reddit discussions. I do think that it would be great if we could eventually just forget they ever existed šŸ˜

I say we go a step further and make sure to at least mention Reddit in EVERY post so the web indexers start bringing up these threads when people search ā€œblah blah blah redditā€ because Google is terrible without adding reddit to the end of a search string.

I think it depends on how invested you were in that other site initially. I had been there over 11 years and used to doom scroll it about 30-45 minutes a day. It's not been easy, but I have deleted my content and my account and have completely committed myself to the fediverse and the content on here. I haven't been back to the other site in a few days, hopefully never will but we are all different. Ite been really refreshing to have actual discussion on here as well; been thoroughly enjoying myself.

Your content may return. Reddit owns it and has been restoring it in some cases.

Meanwhile, you can delete from your kbin / Lemmy, but the others might cache it for eternity.

Itā€™s still fresh, is this thing. Mastodon was like that for a while; there was a lot of talk of twitter and angry posts and Elon Musk. People were still hurt and angry. It takes a while to work through that, so thereā€™s likely going to be a lot of talk about it for a while. But itā€™ll stop on its own as people start moving on.

At least Reddit didn't ban mentioning the words kbin, Lemmy, Squabbles etc. Twitter banned the word Mastodon.

One reason I came to kbin was when reddit blocked the kbinmigration sub - hello Streisand effect. In the end that turned out to be an anti spam glitch, but it shows the danger in trying to ban something.

I feel like I'm just about done since Reddit is pretty much irredeemable to me at this point. However, I think we've got at least another month of it to go before everybody's done.

This is a natural result of most of the influx of new users being from Reddit as they're still keeping an eye on it to see how the situation evolves. I expect it to continue happening until at the very least a week after the beginning of July, which I expect will also be a second migration wave since that's when the third party apps will stop working.

It'll settle down eventually. In the meantime, users seem to have been doing a good enough job of keeping those threads on the communities/magazines dedicated to talking about Reddit and/or the relevant migration, so it's probably best to unsubscribe from/block them if you are sick of seeing those in your feed.

It's the one thing that all (or most of us, I guess) have in common; we're all here because of what's going on there. It's natural to want to talk about it.

It'll pass; I'm already seeing a lot of non-reddit content on my home feed now, whereas day 1 it was probably 95% posts of the sort you're talking about.

Word up, but it's still the beginning of this overall transition, it'll get better (hopefully within the next weeks). People just need to vent their frustrations. I just hope it doesn't become like VOAT.

It will change. When everything happened with Twitter and a number of people switched over to Mastodon, all people talked about on Mastodon was Twitter. Within a couple of months that shifted dramatically and now I come across much less Twitter-related content. Most of my mastodon feed now is just the topics that Iā€™m interested in. Give it time.

I think it is fine to talk about developing news regarding Reddit just as we would any other social media site. Part of the issue I have with these threads though is that it's still basically the same comments being made. The big news revolves around the API decisions, and the really scummy leadership. That's what all of the comments really fall back to, understandably so. It would still be nice to hear some discussion about what former Redditors think about new developments, such as the recent threats to have the community vote out mods who keep their subreddits private

I think there are two aspects to this...

  1. The majority of people on federated message boards (lemmy, beehaw, kbin, etc) are former Reddit users who migrated specifically because of actions by Reddit, so it is natural to talk a bit more about Reddit at least for a short while. I believe this happened for quite a while on Mastodon (Twitter) as well.
  2. It's kinda fun to watch a dumpster fire in action ngl and I don't think this will pass until Reddit finally figures something out themselves...