It reminds me of that old joke of the 2 scientists studying a fly.
Scientist 1: Fly, fly!
Scientist 2: When fly has two wings fly flies 2 feet.
Scientist 1: pulls off one wing and says Fly, Fly!
Scientist 2: When fly has 1 wing, fly flies 1 foot
Scientist 1: pulls off the other wing and says, Fly, fly!.
Nothing happens
Scientist 1 Fly, Fly!
Nothing happens
Scientist 1 showing frustration> FLY! FLY!
Scientist 2: When fly has no wings, fly becomes deaf.
Bad-dum!
I like this. First time hearing it.
That's good, 'cause the fly can't.
Whew, hopefully he'll forget he's supposed to track me till the end of time
That's incredible, I was aware of the tileman mode plug in, but this is inspired.
This is a useful technology....for tyrants.
Potential PTSD treatment. I think this is the plot to a movie or book though, where soldiers are taken advantage of.
There was definitely a Black Mirror about it.
Sidenote: It's weird to me that more people don't talk about the inevitability of that one with the soldiers with cybernetic HUD implants that, shocking twist later, can make civilians look like monsters to be purged.
On the other hand, why bother when the Boston Dynamics murderbots are probably cheaper?
On the other hand, why bother when the Boston Dynamics murderbots are probably cheaper?
This is also a Black Mirror episode.
Universal Soldier?
I think I read the book you mention!
I thought about it recently but could not remember the name
I agree. But I also wouldn't mind forgetting one or two things. However, I've also watched Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, so I know it ends with me having perpetual dementia-like fever dreams.
Scientists: No guys seriously what have we done I can't remember
Oh no, they fried the part of their brain that could tell the difference between snails and humans!
As I suspected it appears they tortured the snails somehow (my guess is electric shock) to create traumatic memories. This has been done with caterpillars I think to see if they retain memories after turning into butterflies and they do, despite basically turning into primordial goop in the cocoon. They do, and it's tested by seeing if they retain aversions to certain areas of their cages that are electrified.
Then something about enzymes created which associate memory with pain and being able to target them.
Pretty cool, and I for one definitely have a few traumas I'd like erased.
Pretty cool, and I for one definitely have a few traumas I’d like erased.
It's kinda neat, but I for one do not want to see Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind become a documentary. I mean I like the movie and all...but.
We can kinda do that. There are therapies that target trauma and recontextualize them. Look up EMDR, it's really cool stuff.
There is debate about how the therapy works and whether it is more effective than other established treatments.[1][5] The eye movements have been criticized as having no scientific basis.[6] The founder promoted the therapy for the treatment of PTSD, and proponents employed untestable hypotheses to explain negative results in controlled studies.[7] EMDR has been characterized as a pseudoscientific purple hat therapy (i.e., only as effective as its underlying therapeutic methods without any contribution from its distinctive add-ons).[8]
I read about that fifteen years ago and dismissed it as pseudoscience. Wikipedia confirms. Pass (thanks though, don't mean to be rude)
How is torturing an animal cool?
Because it can lead to treatment for human suffering. He says it in his post
Causing harm to some other group to help your own group has been an excuse used to justify slavery for hundreds of years.
Comparing slaves to animals has been used to justify slavery for hundreds of years.
Yes, so let's respect everyone's autonomy. No species should be abused.
🕵️♂️🐜
Finally I can replay Outer Wilds.
Yes. Good god yes. Was disappointed by the dlc though unfortunately. I want to like it but I just don’t.
But also replay Inscryption
It honestly was too scary for me. I don’t do horror games. The angler fish in the main game was almost too much for me
I can play Omori without having been spoiled!
EXACTLY, I feel the same
Such a great game. I'd also play through Undertale again with this
I think the scientists are more worried about why the snail's head is the size of a human rather than the memory loss...
It's the long hidden aliens that were driving the latest non-human aircraft
Maybe the snail meme was a CIA guerilla training operation.
Wait, the snails are training the gorillas? We're through the looking glass here, people!
I want off this goddamn Jefferson airplane!
so aliens are actually just big snails, like the Voth from Star Trek
Interesting
decoy snail
Oh no the real one escaped
Probably a racing snail.
Why is the snail so large?!
It doesn't remember, sorry.
Exactly the reason they had to fund this project.
Cheaper than the lawsuit.
The scientists first enlarged the snail, but when the snail was too large to make love to his snail wife or hug his snail children without crushing them, he decided to sue. That is until he suddenly got amnesia somehow.
But that means he has a giant snail dick too! Shouldn't his snail wife be happy?
It's too big.
It's not the size of the boat, it's the motion in the ocean!
So they could use a normal sized eraser, duh.
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mollusk
I can give snails brain (ganglia?) damage too, you're not that special, scientists.
My question is, how do they know what a snail is thinking or remembers? Last I knew snails didn’t talk.
Probably something like the snail learned to find food in a certain place, then they were able to make it forget such that it would search randomly instead of going to the place it had learned.
Lol, I can see it now.
“Im going to sit here for 8-12 hours and watch where this snail goes today.”
Sorry couldn’t resist.
Sounds like a good job.
I read a study once about caterpillars getting shocked in their cages to teach them which areas are electrified. They retained this memory aversion after turning into butterflies. Probably something similar, basic behavioral observations to stimuli.
Humans experimenting on weaker animals has peak fashist vibes.
"bUt iTs oNLy a SnAiL" yeah and before anything happens on humand they will experiment on mammals.
"Hey guys... Is it fascist to want to learn more about the reality we find ourselves in?"
There was a period during the Chinese Communist revolution that basically labeled a lot of modern science as capitalist propaganda.
There's a book series that starts with that event, and is the inciting event that caused a group of scientists to basically invite a hostile race of aliens to earth to wipe out and rebuild society.
I forget the name, it's by Cixin Liu
Edit: The Three Body Problem is the first book
If anyone stumbles across this, the entire series is amazing and worth your time
I agree. And if you want to listen to great break downs of the series look up Quinn's Ideas on YouTube.
YES omg that dude is amazing
Call me Hitler but it's only a snail. If this can erase my dad strangling me or watching someone shoot themself from my brain IDC how many invertebrates die for it.
Peak human.
I a sapienbrained humancel. You got me.
How many dogs and chimpanzees are you willing to murder for the human trial to fail in phase 2?
Dogs? We have a limitless supply, go nuts scientists. Chimps eh let's say less than 30, the lower the amount of chimps that die the better but at the end of the day, traumatic experiences vastly reduce quality of life for people, so if chimps gotta die, they gotta die.
This may be tough to hear but some poeple don't give a shit about animals.
Is that arrogant? Fuck yes. Is it hypocritical? From most people, yes. Is it wrong? Lol no, humanity rules over earth and I really don't see why we should (potentially) torture our own population in experiments rather than species that largely lack self awareness and often have problems with object permanence.
Animals are animals and unless one of them writes me an essay about how all of this is wrong in its own language I won't change my mind on that. The only species coming even remotely close to us in intellect and mind are dolphins and octopi, neither of which are commonly used for animal trials of anything except puzzles.
It reminds me of that old joke of the 2 scientists studying a fly.
Scientist 1: Fly, fly! Scientist 2: When fly has two wings fly flies 2 feet.
Scientist 1: pulls off one wing and says Fly, Fly! Scientist 2: When fly has 1 wing, fly flies 1 foot
Scientist 1: pulls off the other wing and says, Fly, fly!. Nothing happens Scientist 1 Fly, Fly! Nothing happens Scientist 1 showing frustration> FLY! FLY! Scientist 2: When fly has no wings, fly becomes deaf.
Bad-dum!
I like this. First time hearing it.
That's good, 'cause the fly can't.
Whew, hopefully he'll forget he's supposed to track me till the end of time
Sorry bucko, it was a decoy snail
Snailman Mode
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That's incredible, I was aware of the tileman mode plug in, but this is inspired.
This is a useful technology....for tyrants.
Potential PTSD treatment. I think this is the plot to a movie or book though, where soldiers are taken advantage of.
There was definitely a Black Mirror about it.
Sidenote: It's weird to me that more people don't talk about the inevitability of that one with the soldiers with cybernetic HUD implants that, shocking twist later, can make civilians look like monsters to be purged.
On the other hand, why bother when the Boston Dynamics murderbots are probably cheaper?
This is also a Black Mirror episode.
Universal Soldier?
I think I read the book you mention! I thought about it recently but could not remember the name
I agree. But I also wouldn't mind forgetting one or two things. However, I've also watched Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, so I know it ends with me having perpetual dementia-like fever dreams.
Scientists: No guys seriously what have we done I can't remember
Oh no, they fried the part of their brain that could tell the difference between snails and humans!
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Snail
But sunshine is bad for snails! Noooooooooo!
Finally! A therapy to make me forget that movie!
Since the comments all appear to be juvenile Reddit style jokes, here's TFA (the frickin article: https://futurism.com/scientists-selectively-erased-memories-in-snails-are-we-next#
Note, I'm not a scientist.
As I suspected it appears they tortured the snails somehow (my guess is electric shock) to create traumatic memories. This has been done with caterpillars I think to see if they retain memories after turning into butterflies and they do, despite basically turning into primordial goop in the cocoon. They do, and it's tested by seeing if they retain aversions to certain areas of their cages that are electrified.
Then something about enzymes created which associate memory with pain and being able to target them.
Pretty cool, and I for one definitely have a few traumas I'd like erased.
It's kinda neat, but I for one do not want to see Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind become a documentary. I mean I like the movie and all...but.
We can kinda do that. There are therapies that target trauma and recontextualize them. Look up EMDR, it's really cool stuff.
I read about that fifteen years ago and dismissed it as pseudoscience. Wikipedia confirms. Pass (thanks though, don't mean to be rude)
How is torturing an animal cool?
Because it can lead to treatment for human suffering. He says it in his post
Causing harm to some other group to help your own group has been an excuse used to justify slavery for hundreds of years.
Comparing slaves to animals has been used to justify slavery for hundreds of years.
Yes, so let's respect everyone's autonomy. No species should be abused.
🕵️♂️🐜
Finally I can replay Outer Wilds.
Yes. Good god yes. Was disappointed by the dlc though unfortunately. I want to like it but I just don’t.
But also replay Inscryption
It honestly was too scary for me. I don’t do horror games. The angler fish in the main game was almost too much for me
I can play Omori without having been spoiled!
EXACTLY, I feel the same
Such a great game. I'd also play through Undertale again with this
I think the scientists are more worried about why the snail's head is the size of a human rather than the memory loss...
It's the long hidden aliens that were driving the latest non-human aircraft
Maybe the snail meme was a CIA guerilla training operation.
Wait, the snails are training the gorillas? We're through the looking glass here, people!
I want off this goddamn Jefferson airplane!
so aliens are actually just big snails, like the Voth from Star Trek
Interesting
decoy snail
Oh no the real one escaped
Probably a racing snail.
Why is the snail so large?!
It doesn't remember, sorry.
Exactly the reason they had to fund this project.
Cheaper than the lawsuit.
The scientists first enlarged the snail, but when the snail was too large to make love to his snail wife or hug his snail children without crushing them, he decided to sue. That is until he suddenly got amnesia somehow.
But that means he has a giant snail dick too! Shouldn't his snail wife be happy?
It's too big.
It's not the size of the boat, it's the motion in the ocean!
So they could use a normal sized eraser, duh.
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mollusk
I can give snails brain (ganglia?) damage too, you're not that special, scientists.
Small
knowknew too much.Is this true?
Yeah, but it's 5 years old.
Forbes article
My question is, how do they know what a snail is thinking or remembers? Last I knew snails didn’t talk.
Probably something like the snail learned to find food in a certain place, then they were able to make it forget such that it would search randomly instead of going to the place it had learned.
Lol, I can see it now.
“Im going to sit here for 8-12 hours and watch where this snail goes today.”
Sorry couldn’t resist.
Sounds like a good job.
I read a study once about caterpillars getting shocked in their cages to teach them which areas are electrified. They retained this memory aversion after turning into butterflies. Probably something similar, basic behavioral observations to stimuli.
Humans experimenting on weaker animals has peak fashist vibes.
"bUt iTs oNLy a SnAiL" yeah and before anything happens on humand they will experiment on mammals.
"Hey guys... Is it fascist to want to learn more about the reality we find ourselves in?"
There was a period during the Chinese Communist revolution that basically labeled a lot of modern science as capitalist propaganda.
There's a book series that starts with that event, and is the inciting event that caused a group of scientists to basically invite a hostile race of aliens to earth to wipe out and rebuild society.
I forget the name, it's by Cixin Liu
Edit: The Three Body Problem is the first book
If anyone stumbles across this, the entire series is amazing and worth your time
I agree. And if you want to listen to great break downs of the series look up Quinn's Ideas on YouTube.
YES omg that dude is amazing
Call me Hitler but it's only a snail. If this can erase my dad strangling me or watching someone shoot themself from my brain IDC how many invertebrates die for it.
Peak human.
I a sapienbrained humancel. You got me.
How many dogs and chimpanzees are you willing to murder for the human trial to fail in phase 2?
Dogs? We have a limitless supply, go nuts scientists. Chimps eh let's say less than 30, the lower the amount of chimps that die the better but at the end of the day, traumatic experiences vastly reduce quality of life for people, so if chimps gotta die, they gotta die.
This may be tough to hear but some poeple don't give a shit about animals.
Is that arrogant? Fuck yes. Is it hypocritical? From most people, yes. Is it wrong? Lol no, humanity rules over earth and I really don't see why we should (potentially) torture our own population in experiments rather than species that largely lack self awareness and often have problems with object permanence.
Animals are animals and unless one of them writes me an essay about how all of this is wrong in its own language I won't change my mind on that. The only species coming even remotely close to us in intellect and mind are dolphins and octopi, neither of which are commonly used for animal trials of anything except puzzles.
Would you prefer all medicines and other technologies skip trials and go straight to the counter?
last step in trials is poor people.