Trump says he'll "proudly be arrested" tomorrow in Georgia

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Here's the arrest list so far:

Cathy Latham, 5'2" 155 lbs

Scott Hall, 6'0" 235 lbs

John Eastman, 5'7" 160 lbs

David Shafer, 5'5" 150 lbs

Kenneth Chesebro, 5'11" 185 lbs

Ray Stallings Smith III, 5'11" 195 lbs

Rudolph Giuliani, 5'11" 230 lbs

Sidney Powell, 6'0" 170 lbs

11 12 13 more traitors to go, less than 3 days left.

Can someone convert these to Courics? That's the natural unit for pieces of shit anyway

I don't think Bono has anything to do with this

Hah everyone has been so fixated on getting his weight that I forgot that we also get his true height without the shoe lifts. What a day.

Somebody said that they go off your id but I'm not sure if that's true or not.

So what's the Secret Service procedure on having someone they're protecting be booked in a State Court system?

I doubt it ever happened before, so whatever the policy will be, it's going to be brand new

They would go with him. Statute is clear, it's for life.

Is it clear how close they have to be to an ex-President at all times? Is the law written that they need to be in visual contact at all times? I have no idea.

I hadn't thought of it that way. He's definitely entitled to protection while in prison. I don't see any statute or regulation that sets a distance. They have to protect dude though.

I don't think he will be "in prison" in any sense during the booking, so it doesn't sound too important about how close they are.

Simple fix - just house him with any SS agents that end up getting charged with corruption in the fallout.

Does that give them authority over the jails on procedures?

I imagine it's a case of the Secret Service coordinating with the State on how to handle Trump. No matter what he did, he's a former president, and is entitled to the protection of the Secret Service.

Bet he'll get Epstein'd, though.

Bet he'll get Epstein'd, though.

There's just no way in hell.

It would sure be spicey though.

Oh man I feel bad for the sucker whose job it is to watch over trump in prison.

Not law enforcement. I'd assume that they'd come to some arraignment with the Correction Officers before hand.

come to some arraignment

Not sure if that was intentional but it works well either way haha

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I still think he's going to pull some stunt. He's incapable of just simply obeying something like this.

The stunt is going to be after the booking, when he holds a press conference and says stupid shit which would revoke anyone else's bail agreement, but he will continue to get a pass because his followers are a dangerous cult.

I think you're right. As much as it galls me, he'll suffer no consequences because he has millions of armed angry followers. One speech from him might actually start a civil war.

Fuck rupert murdoch and fox news for ratcheting up the rhetoric over the years to keep their viewers scared, angry, and glued to their TVs. And fuck right wing talk radio for doing the same thing.

I blame Rush for being the true catalyst for all the hatred.

There is trouble in the forest And the creatures all have fled As the maples scream, "Oppression!" And the oaks just shake their heads

He tried to rally his followers before and got like 5 people showing up. That ship has sailed, he's not an unassailable lord and it harms Democracy to pretend he is.

This time I want to be more certain than that. I’m glad that he seems to be losing followers but he’s still a really dangerous person.

I know it would be a terrible thing but it would be the most one-sided civil war in the history of ever.

His followers are massively gung ho but they really only care about themselves. Once actual consequences, such as returning fire, make themselves felt I suspect a lot of them will slink off back to Alabama or whatever.

There will be a lot of grumbling and accusations from them, but they won't do anything very much because they don't dare. Having guns won't protect you from the US military if the US military doesn't like you, and they'll soon work that one out.

The court has some reasons that benefit justice, and not trump, to lean hard toward β€œpush ahead and avoid extra drama.” Trump wants to delay everything and make himself the victim. Letting him push the envelope here and there deprives him of what he ultimately wants.

God damn it. This is one of those comments that makes me rage to read but I have to concede that you're right.

Any drama at this point is just fodder for the inevitable appeals.

Turning himself in the day after the GOP debate is the stunt.

They'll just process and release him. He's out on bond in several places at this point.

Yep.

No matter what happens at the debate, all the news will be talking about the next morning is trump turning himself in.

If he waited till the last day like he said, they'd have a day in the news cycle

After Covid he planned on wearing a Superman logo. He’s definitely thinking of a way to show off. Maybe arrive in prison stripes and claim the prosecutor demanded it?

Some of the other clowns in the circus might pull a stunt like that, but Trump is the Whiteface, the clown that emphasizes pride and arrogance.

He would never allow himself to do something that he thinks will look bad. Not to say his bungling incompetence doesn't do that for him, it's just that he won't do it as a conscious choice.

Clowns are somewhat interesting.the Whiteface is the know-it-all straight man, and the Auguste is the bumbling doofus who is the butt of every joke. The Auguste is the first to get a pie in the face. You laugh at the Auguste.

The Whiteface on the other hand is the person telling you who to laugh at. They tell the mean jokes to get the audience to laugh at others. This makes it so much more satisfying when the Auguste finally hits the Whiteface with the pie.

Anyway Trump couldn't tell a joke if his life depended on it, but he still fills the role of Whiteface in this circus. He'll pull stunts, but only if he thinks it will make someone else look bad.

I think you just explained why I always hated clown shows.

I think it's more likely the fact that clown shows used to be something aimed at adults, and then they got dumbed down to be kid friendly.

Old school performances had lots of jokes about murder, sex, suicide, and other dark topics.

Look at it this way, the Three Stooges was actually a clown show. Moe was the Whiteface. Larry, Curly, and Shep played the role of Auguste.

That's how it sort of went, the actual clowns ditched the makeup and started performing on TV or in movies, and the children's performers threw out all of the rich history and defined roles and instead focused on bright colors and loud fart jokes. Not that fart jokes weren't a rich part of that history. They really were.

Other contributing factors in the death of the clown show were things like The Joker, and John Wayne Gacy.

BTW, the Joker is a classic Whiteface clown taken to a sadistic extreme, he wouldn't be caught dead wearing a red nose. To the Joker, jokes happen to other people. That's what he finds funny. The fact that no one else laughs is what drives him mad.

(As a note, the Auguste is also sometimes called the Red Nose, because they wear the over sized red nose, the white face might paint their nose red, but will never wear the prop)

I saw a troupe at the circus in Brasil growing up (this was well after the 3 Stooges, I'm not that old), and the vibe very much was mean-spirited like you described in the first post, not the Bozo Show kiddie version you're talking about here.

I preferred the elephant kicking soccer balls into the crowd, she boomed the shit out of those little suckers.

Excellent point about the 3 Stooges though, I had thought of it primarily as borscht belt wordplay + slapstick on film, but the social dynamics really do match circus clowns.

Yeah, the Whiteface is a sort of archetype that can be off-putting if done wrong.

Look at modern comedians who often follow the clown archetypes, if loosely. George Carlin was a prime example of the Whiteface. He pointed at a wrong in the world, and people laughed at it.

Robin Williams was an Auguste. He took pratfalls, he had zany antics, pure physical comedy matched with rapier wit. You laughed at him as often as you laughed at something he said about someone else.

There's also a third archetype, mostly American in the clown world, the Tramp. These guys are like the Auguste in that they're the butt of the joke, but unlike the Auguste, they never have a moment where they win. They're the downtrodden, the bumbling idiots who never suceed in pointing and laughing, only at being pointed at. The trope is the life so bad that it's funny.

Another piece of media to really understand clowns is the play, Waiting for Godot. You can find versions of it on Youtube, and the Internet Archive. It's a darkly funny play that is actually a clown show pretending to be a play. It's surreal and kind of fucked up, but in a good way.

This is a very unique take and I’m here for it.

I've spent far too much time thinking about clowns and clown history for someone who doesn't tell jokes. I spent some time researching comedy and how it's changed over the years.

For example, the classic roles of comedy still sort of carry over to modern comedians. For example, Goerge Carlin was a classic example of a Whiteface. His comedy was almost always about telling you who you should be laughing at. He pointed, and you laughed, he never took a pratfall, You never laughed at him.

Robin Williams on the other hand more often took on the role of the Auguste, the Red Nose (Because they're the only clowns that wear the red nose prop). He was loud and boisterous, and took pratfalls. You laughed at his antics, his physical humor, just as much as at what he said.

The Auguste is almost always the butt of the joke when there's a Whiteface, but can be the one playing the jokes when paired with a Rube (A straight man who isn't in on the joke)

There are more classic clown roles that exist, the Tramp is an American clown (but the underlying concept is global) that is always the butt of every joke. Their makeup is usually patterned after the 1930s hobo, they take the sad clown motif to the extreme. The sort of "my life is so shit that it's funny" kind of archetype. Or they can show up in a sort of "the prince and the pauper" situation where they're either slobs in a high society setting, or show refined manners while eating out of a trashcan.

The Tramp is like an extreme form of the Auguste. While the Auguste might get revenge on the Whiteface, the Tramp never will. Also, the Auguste will abuse the Tramp in exactly the same way that he in tern is abused by the WhiteFace.

The Three Stooges come to mind for this dynamic, although none of them were really the Tramp. Larry was firmly an Auguste, and Curly and Shep were closer to the Tramp side of things, but were still Auguste. Moe was a Whiteface.


Anyway, I hope that helps to explain the circus that is the Trump org. They aren't trying to be clowns, but they fit the roles.

Any attempt to flee and a pair of fully armed F-22s will bring them back. Trump's plane is being tracked.

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Just like he proudly presented that evidence earlier?

I'm still pissed I didn't get to see that. It would have been so fucking funny.

Remember when he divested himself from his businesses? He held a press conference with a stack of folders large enough to be unlikely and nobody was allowed to see what was inside.

My money would have been on that again.

I don't recall Trump ever doing or saying anything without some element of egomaniacal pride, boasting, or grandstanding. He should get the opportunity to rot in a prison cell while endlessly showing up in court and being returned to said prison cell.

"I'm the most arrested president in the history of the world, EVER!" - Trump probably

This more than anything makes me feel like he might actually flee. He always says the opposite of the truth, like when he said that he won the election.

He can't. The Secret Service are assigned to him. They're not just bodyguards...

The same secret service that tried to lure Mike Pence into a car to remove him from the Capitol?
The same secret service that Mike Pence said "if I get in that car I know I'm not coming back?
The same secret service that had to be completely rotated after Biden took office because there was a legitimate threat to Biden?
The same secret service that deleted their phone records after January 6th?
Yeah I'm sure they're all in the good and none of them would defect with Trump

Edit: oh, And there's this article that was posted to c/politics about half an hour ago
https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/emails-reveal-secret-service-contacts-with-oath-keepers/

Not when it has to do with his pride/ego.

If he is telling his supporters being arrested is a point of pride, he will go in and be arrested, and hell make comments while he does.

Trump puts on an act, but I think this breaks him

And I will proudly laugh my ass off when the traitor shitcunt is imprisoned.

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I get your point but I don't think anyone should be ashamed where they're from, per se. I have no power over where I'm born.

Just because you shouldn't feel proud of something doesn't mean you should be ashamed of it, and I don't think they're implying one should be. I'm not proud that I have a nose, but I'm not ashamed I do either; I just have one.

I'm not ashamed that I was born in a backwards, bible-thumping, right-wing hellhole. But, I am ashamed of how backwards and idiotic my home state is.

They are responding to someone who literally said they should be ashamed though. And one of the examples was being white. The blatant racism is disgusting.

Can't say that any of those things you listed someone should be ashamed of, but maybe not proud of them either.

Fwiw, Trump either genuinely believes he's done nothing wrong, or he needs his fans to believe it, so him saying this kinda tracks.

I guess there's a reason pride is a deadly sin

Does that mean you can't be proud to be black, proud to be gay etc as well?

I bet Trump smiles for the camera like fuckin' Tom DeLay did. Smarmy bastards, the both of 'em.

The best arrest. The best. It will be a yuge arrest, the likes that have never been seen before.

I'll just wait for his second arrest - after he violates the bond conditions, which he surely will do.

That's the one I'd be proud to watch.