"I don't want to have to draw my rifle": Georgia GOPer warns of "civil war" if Trump is prosecuted

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Republican Georgia state Sen. Colton Moore on Tuesday told "War Room" host Steve Bannon that he plans to push the legislature to defund Fulton District Attorney Fani Willis' prosecution of former President Donald Trump and 18 co-defendants, arguing that Trump's prosecution threatens to ignite a "civil war." Moore complained that indicted fellow state Sen. Shawn Still is going to have to spend "a million dollars" to defend himself in the case. "It's just like Nazi Germany," Moore claimed. "I mean, they want to call us the Nazis and their actions are Nazism."

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Moore's remarks came as Georgia GOP Senate leaders seek to find a way to punish Willis for bringing charges against Trump. "I told one senator... we've got to put our heads together and figure this out. We need to be taking action right now.

Pretty sure they just admitted obstruction of justice and some conspiracy charges...

Please folks, especially those of you who like to push the "both sides" narrative. Recognize that while Democrats are not perfect, they are not these batshit insane Republicans that have wormed their way into power.

I want more choices, too. But until we have them - Republicans have been telling us exactly who they are since about 2016. Believe them. And do not vote them into power. Not locally, not at the state level, and for sure not at the federal level.

They have proven that they are incapable of seeing laws as anything more than tools to be leveraged against those not like them, and that they will skip right to violence when that fails.

I told one senator... we've got to put our heads together and figure this out. We need to be taking action right now. Because if we don't, our constituencies are gonna be fighting it in the streets. Do you want a civil war? I don't want a civil war. I don't want to have to draw my rifle. I want to make this problem go away with my legislative means of doing so,"

Translation: "Just do what I say so I don't have to get violent."

Sounds a lot like an abuser explaining how if only you hadn't made him angry, he wouldn't have had to beat you.

Fuck these people. Get them out of power.

Translation: "Just do what I say so I don't have to get violent."

Literal fascism

Every time a popular vote loser wins the presidency, convincing people that voting will get anyone out of power becomes harder. Definitely vote if you’re in a swing state, because it can be harm reduction for the most vulnerable, but don’t pretend getting the Dems in will improve things much for most people. Our entire system is moribund, we just haven’t figured it out yet.

Republicans haven't even fucked things up to the degree they want to yet. Dems may be less effective than we'd like, and some of them may not give a shit at all. But R is fully committed, pedal to the metal, driving towards the cliff edge, on a number of different axes. (that's plural of axis not plural of axe. Am I misspelling that?)

I'll take anything that is less bad than that.

If folks can vote third party without it becoming a stepping stone to R wins, I have no argument with that.

It’s always projection on their part. Holding people accountable for their actions is “Nazism”. 🙄

Whataboutism is like a religion to these people, it’s all they know.

Now that he has publicly announced that he plans to use his firearms for illegal, seditious purposes, can someone please take his guns and weapon permits away?

By this kind of threat, he has show that he is not fit to own a potentially lethal weapon.

Republicans in Georgia aren't the only ones with rifles.

Trust me.

Last time the Georgia fascists met an armed contingent--at Stone Mountain, during the BLM protests--they were the ones that backed down, not antifa.

Lol right? These are the same people that complain about gun violence in places they don't live, yet act like they're tough because they have a gun? I bet most are way too afraid to actually use it

And last time Atlanta wasn’t even fighting back from within

Moore complained that indicted fellow state Sen. Shawn Still is going to have to spend "a million dollars" to defend himself in the case. "It's just like Nazi Germany," Moore claimed.

Ah yes, the legendary legal proceedings of the Nazis.

Well there were the Neurenburg trials, but that was at the end of their Naziing

Forgive my pedantery: It's "Nuremburg" in English, "Nürnburg" in German.

"I mean, they want to call us the Nazis and their actions are Nazism."

When I see people wearing nazi related symbols, with nazi related tattoos, waving actual nazi flags, and giving the nazi salute, then yeah I think it's fair to call you nazis.

Not all Republicans are Nazis but all Nazis are Republicans.

If there's a nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 nazis.

All Republicans vote for people who want to subjugate or eliminate women and minorities, so yes they're all Nazis

Anyone who says "I don't want to have to draw my rifle", wants to draw their rifle.

Also, draw is a weird word in this context right? Draw your pistol, sure. But a rifle. I guess you can have a sling holster and technically would be "drawing" it.

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Of course the name of his show is "war room," jfc. All conservatives do is fantasize about violence.

They also think about sex with children an awful lot.

It goes back to their religion too. Their idol murdered millions of people, including children, that disagreed with him. To a conservative "Christian" this is peak

Seems like there’s an argument that he was threatening the DA

he totally wants to draw his rifle

I think it's at a point where the left needs to arm themselves and train their family to operate firearms safely. 2024 will see "lone wolfs" born of stochastic terrorism like this. They are prepping the handful of armed mentally ill to commit violence on Americans if they don't get their way.

There were multiple bomb threats against elementary schools and libraries recently.

The SRA is way ahead of you, my comrade. Just look around. We don't talk at the range, just shoot and train. You'll find us.

I've looked into them, was surprised my area didn't have an active chapter

Commies acting like they're hard never stops being funny to me.

In America, your communist uprising is terrorism, Comrade, not revolution.

Your post history is chock full of calls for violence, and frankly, that's weird for a dude in his 40s to constantly fantasize about. Grow up, man. You're middle-aged. It's time to stop playing kid shit.

There are practically no American 'communists,' and more importantly there is statistically no American 'left;' that being said those of us that are left-wing never stopped being armed. Unlike American conservatives in either the democrat or republican party, we are staunchly against all gun control. As a reminder: “Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered,any attempts to disarm the people must be stopped, by force if necessary.” is a Karl Marx quote, not one of the American right-wing. When the US government started rounding up and killing communists in the 1940s and 50s, we started ensuring that we were armed, and that we absolutely were not 'card-carrying communists,' those of us one or two generations removed now remember the stories we were told, how it affected our family, and how important it will be to stay armed regardless of whatever 'Liberals' say is necessary for a free state. Liberalism has lead to fascism in every fascist regime, the 'left' does not recognize gun control.

I'm aware that there are not enough of you to count as anything more than terrorists should you start getting violent, which is why I said that.

There will never be a communist revolution in the US.

The rest of your opinion is meaningless because of aforementioned numbers.

You're right, the US will fall long before it moves the slightest bit left wing. Which is probably a good thing all considered. The first iteration of an experiment is rarely successful, and the US laid the ground work for the EU which again is an improvement on the model of mostly independent states with baseline common values in need of common defense. But when you need worker's rights again, and you will -- we'll be there again. When you need civil rights again, and you will -- we'll be there again. We're really, really good at surviving right-wing and fascist regimes. Really good.

Lmao I love when you guys get all romantic about commie shit.

Sorry you forgot the reason you're not currently locked in a factory with a gun pointed at your head for a chance to win MineCorp FunBux is because of red state socialists committing some pretty severe acts of violence against the state and US military during strikes. In revisionist history, nothing at all happened at Blair Mountain.

Which job will you have on the commune?

I'm going to do astrology readings.

Honestly carpentry and a bit of gardening; what I do in my free time now. I'd also probably still be doing computer work, since you know, technology isn't incompatible with socialism or communism. It's really a weird thought that we'd need to go full anarcho-primative to have human rights again; as if technology did not exist under any other economic system. I've never met one of you that can explain how the soviet union had computers if socialism means no iphone.

It was a joke, because we'll both be doing forced manual labor.

When the rich stop choosing violence daily, I'll stop calling for self defense.

Just don't go on a big dramatic shooting spree, comrade. Being a dork on the Internet isn't a crime.

Lmao American "communists" fantasizing about a violent uprising (that they'll never do) never fails to make me laugh when I'm feeling down

The lefts stance on gun control and violence will literally kill us. I've been kicked out of so many left-leaning communities for saying I own guns and target shoot in my spare time. Motherfucker, these people are shooting our children and families at the mall and you're too scared to pick up a 9mm and learn how to use it because guns are scary? The alternative is a lot scarier.

Yup I don't want Trump supporters to be the only ones who are armed if the shit hits the fan.

This. It doesn't matter if you're a liberal, or progressive, or just a Democrat. If you don't love Trump and Jesus like they do, you will be a target. Win or lose for Trump this election, there will be violence. I sure am not going to a bullet trap for some brush ape. Load the fuck up people.

I guess there's a tipping point where there's so much guns laying around that carrying over is safer than not but I would rather put efforts into avoiding reaching that tipping point.

Almost all problems can be solved with either violence or kindness.

The two topics I usually argue with my Mom about are why I feel the need to own guns because they're scary and should be illegal and how the fascists want to overthrow our democracy. I'm always confused about how such an intelligent person can't see the folly in this line of thinking. Why would you want to ban the very tool necessary for protecting our freedoms from those who want to take them from us through force and violence. Stay armed, and stay safe. The world keeps getting scarier.

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What, exactly, is arming yourself going to do against a bomb?

Arming yourself for when they no longer make threats, but promises.

Again, it was a bomb threat, so...

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"They want to call us the Nazis…"

No. I have to call you nazis because that's what half of you are.

If a Nazi sits down at a table with three people what do you have?

Four Nazis.

Please I want you hicks to take on the federal government. Please do it would be so funny. Like whatchu gonna do to the Abrams tank when it rolls over your trailer Tucker?

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Replace ever instance of civil war with domestic terrorism and I think we get a much more accurate picture about what these people mean. People with assault rifles going to schools, grocery stores, protests and any place that is crowded. Even if this chuckle head doesn't do anything, he's trying to signal to people who he hopes will shoot people when Trump is convicted. We are already experiencing domestic terrorism now, but it can always get worse.

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I really wish we didn't give these people press

I honestly disagree with that statement. The sane people left need to know what the insane are planning and capable of. I'd rather be aware that the Nazis are coming for me than just be overrun and silenced.

There is a proverbial saying in German (I am from Austria - then-export-country of Hitler) which is "Wehret den Anfängen", which translates to "Ward off the beginnings". And I fully believe that is what a decent society should do when it comes to Nazis. And the press is needed for that.

Obviously I want just charges for the sake of what's right, but I also want to see these fucker's faces when they try to start a war and realize how few ppl are actually behind them at that level. I realize Trump's support is ominously higher than many of us would think, but at each level of intensity it drops tremendously (I don't even think half of his voters would admit to voting for him publicly). At the level out going to war I think they'd look around and feel pretty lonely.

All that said the fact that 47 percent of voters still supported him for reelection is terrifying

I don't think many realize how stirred up the followers of these people are. Even in Canada I see them sharing photos of themselves on the gun range claiming they are "battle ready", how they will shoot anyone that forces their children to have mandatory sex changes in school, or force vaccines on them by coming to their houses to jab them, and how they would like to gather up all the liberals into a building and blow them all up.

I ask them have they heard of Timothy McVie or the OK city bombing and they usually haven't, heck even Waco was too long ago for their collective memories despite this rhetoric sounding familiar.

There"s a real problem coming and those that are trying to be civil and decent are not prepared for this powder keg that has been created to explode. I'm really concerned there isn't going to be the right amount of push back when the time comes to these enraged people that aren't educated beyond their alternate news sources or their own research in their echo chambers. "Due process" has been eroded with claims of the left corrupting the legal system, judges, FBI, CIA and police forces against them.

I think people expect others to be at least as educated as them, but honestly many of these people can't even point out the US on a global map let alone read a book beyond what they were "forced to" in high school.

Trump and his like have figured out how to use these people to further their means. I'm just surprised more haven't turned on Trump after he didn't back his fellow "Patriots" from arrest after Jan 6th or pay their legal costs. Mind you this is the same group that thinks a dead Kennedy was coming back to save the US from these evil child rapists on the left so I'm not sure there's a pathway back to common sense for many of them as it is.

Tell me you don't know what Nazism is without telling me you don't know what Nazism is

He may know. He's counting on the last 80 years of conservative word twisting to cause the base to be unaware of what many different terms mean.

We need to be taking action right now. Because if we don't, our constituencies are gonna be fighting it in the streets.

Why would a liberal start a fight over this? Huh Colton?

Luckily for him (or unluckily for him?), modern war is barely fought with rifles.

But these fuckers anti-education and anti-science bullshit is a danger to the country but allowing us to be technologically leapfrogged by more...um...intrepid...nations.

If the idea is for America to backslide away from self-determination, then the Republican party might just be for you.

When I think about what kind of psyops a global competitor would levy against us, and what goals they might hope to engender with their efforts, for the past 20 years, its always just been whatever the Republican party has been saying/doing.

Yeah, good luck with your little pop gun against a satellite-guided drone bomber.

If this dillweed draws his rifle good enough, maybe poppa trump will hang it on the fridge. A man can dream.

He's already being prosecuted. Pull out the gun or shut the fuck up, pissbaby

Lets see on whom this idiot draws a rifle, and how he is handled from that point.

mfs want to lose again? Jesus.

Are you personally prepared?

The US military is and none of these fucks you stand a chance against it.

If they want to try civil war, the military would not be on their side. Despite the large Republican presence in the military, the vast vast majority would still side with there not being civil war.

The reality no one wants to admit is the military would split too.

Ehh, a few. Not the best parts. See the joint chiefs of staff letter about January 6. They aren't going to fuck around with domestic terrorists. If the police won't bring these nutjobs to heal, they will.

The men who did most of the murdering of Muslims are well known ss the most progressive members of the military.

/s

Byt yeah you're right about the management being largely moderate.

The military is not going to split lol. They're loyal to the constitution, not any party.

That's a pretty iffy statement if you've ever talked to a veteran or active duty member. Sure, most might be loyal to the constitution, but the military votes republican for the most part, and that included in 2016 and 2020.

I gotta say, I absolutely love watching all these people destroy their lives in defense of that buffoon. Especially knowing that as far as trump is concerned, these clowns are expendable pawns.

It’s fucking hilarious.

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Not a huge surprise. They missed their chance to represent the South the first time around, so this would be a dream come true for them.

It was the same group. The parties swapped orientations from the 1930's to the 1960's. It was a weird time for political party names. Voters had to really make sure they knew the positions of who they were voting for because the conservatives (racists) were slowly drifting from one party to the other and running in both parties.

Usually they would hop from Democrat to Republican as a publicity stunt in defiance of legislation not being racist enough for them. They were the same temper tantrum dipshit conservatives back then as they are now.

The conservatives have always been the racists and the normal people have always been the ones trying to avoid or stop them.

Sure, and the Republicans have since pivoted from "big business, free trade, American strength" to "hate groups, corruption, and treason for Russia".

You should be legally able to assault people who say terroristic threat as a case of self defense, or at least the defense of others.

bring it you little coward.. i make my bread on the bones of morons like you.. i am the US Government.. you just bring it, you crying Momma's Boy..

Cool do some terrorism. The us could use more Sherman neckties.

All these little Kim Jong Wannabes, rattling their sabers and threatening war if they aren’t appeased.

The civil war never ended. You just had a long ceasefire.

give us the courage to do what is right. and if it means civil war then let it come - and when it does, may it be, finally, the last battle of the american revolution.

They think the Revolution is still going because they refuse to believe they lost?