It's a "best before" date not an expiration date, it might still be good!
It's probably still perfectly safe to eat. It likely just tastes like hot garbage. Frozen food doesn't technically expire, it just slowly gets more and more freezer burnt that degrades the quality and taste. It remains perfectly safe to eat indefinitely, however.
This assumes there was no significant power outage for 27 years, which I would not bet on
From a reverse image search, looks like this was originally posted on Twitter by Orla Walsh, a dietician. Her education experience on her LinkedIn puts her at about 36 years old at the time the image was posted (July 2023). Since this is her mom's fridge though, we estimate her age at 36+25=61. So, total score is 42.62.
What formula are you using? And where did 25 come from? 2023-1997 = 26 and (26 / 36) x 100 = 72.2
Edit: nevermind, I see you were estimating the mom's age. My bad, all is well.
I kind of want to see a charter plot of that scoring function projected onto a 3-axis manifold with a colored heat map. How would I minMax my anticipated score given my current age or projected lifespan?
Isn't this just survivor bias?
The unreliable fridges from 1980 have all failed already.
In Engineering you have two different kinds of failures:
The first is to do with manufacturing flaws and happens in the first couple of months of use, hence how Warranties work - bad part of bad assembly so it breaks on first use or soon after.
The second kind is the device dying from decay due to use, from old age if you will.
Survivor bias, IMHO, only applies for those devices that last beyond the stage were the first kind of failure can happen as it's kinda random (you can reduce the proportion of devices that fail, but for any one device it's random if it will be one that fails or not)
So a 3 year old fridge dying is not from manufacturing defects but it's dying from faster ageing, which is a flaw in the design or a choice of cheaper, lower quality components.
From what I've seen that's exactly what's been happenning: less robust designs and cheaper components with shorter lifespans, all to save on raw material costs.
Lower manufacturing quality tends to cause the first kind of failures, not the failures well past the first few months.
PS: Note that dying from the second kind of failure still has a random probability for any one device, though whilst the probability from dying from manufacturing flaws is very time dependent (starting very high and then tailing off to pretty much zero within some months), the probability of dying from age is a lot less time dependent and if that much increases slightly with increasing age (whilst the other kind decreases steeply with age, specifically decreases steeply with use). I'm mentioning this for completness, as the point still stands - if there is a high proportion of devices of a given type dying at year 3, then that design has a much higher rate of failure due to aging than devices for which a much smaller proportion dies at year 3, hence the design is not robust and/or lower quality components are being used.
With some exceptions, like lamps or tvs, older devices lasted much more. You can inspect the older devices you find around you and check for yourself. In general, they were much more robust and used better components and were designed to last. This was due to a lot of things that were different. I will try to list some:
in some industry areas, growth in the market was mostly due to population increase, people who never got access to some things being able to buy them, and expansion to development countries, so it was better for the companies that the devices lasted long, because they wouldn't be able to supply a demand of replacement + new users. In other words, there was no incentive for products with small life.
devices were generally simpler, with fewer components, therefore, with fewer points of failure. The components used were often more "brute", instead of the delicate electronic components we have.
a lot of the modern obsolescence comes from software and from i/o communication incompatibilities, things that weren't even present in most devices
market demand forces prices down, and this has led to many things, including worse quality stuff
the life cycle of everything has diminished, as the consumerism became stronger, and people are buying new things much faster, leading to users not even caring for things to last long, because they will buy a new one soon anyway.
These are the things that came to my mind. However, it's important to remember that there are products being made out there with the same robustness level of old appliances. Look into industrial devices, for example. They're build to last for decades and endure much more than common devices, but the prices aren't inviting to the average user.
Could be, but I think it's been well established that things just used to be built better before globalism moved American manufacturing jobs to SE Asia.
I want my whole kitchen and laundry room using 1980s tech
L5264. You know, just a while after the Mayonnaise Wars of K3737.
2097, obviously, cause 1817 there were no plastics* or refrigerators** or cameras cheap enough to take pictures of trivial shit*** and 1997 would be to obvious. Nah, its definitely not 1997
wat?
Let's get this out onto a tray.
Nice
No hiss
Nonzero chance that abiogenesis occurred in there
check out this custom flavour profile!
I'd honestly be impressed by a freezer that's been running since '97.
That's before they started building them to fail.
Why? Because a freezer that's been running since '97 is at least two unsold new freezers.
There's also a lot of other stuff that changed over time.
New appliances may be more efficient, run on different (more environmentally friendly) coolant, have lead-free solder circuits, etc.
The thing is, a lot of that old stuff which was found to have health or environment issues also lasted longer. Leaded solder didn't get burrs, for example. The components may also have been easier to repair.
But there's also survivor bias. For every old freezer that sat in grandma's basement for 2-3 decades many more ended up in a scrap heap.
Do you have proof that this person is the original poster? I have seen this image so many times...
No, but can you find an earlier time it was posted?
Bro dont break my meme heart like this
Nice little hiss
Let's get this out onto a tray, Nice!
What impresses me most is that her refrigerator has been working at least since 1997 This refrigerator deserves to go to the Valhalla of refrigerators
The Einherjar shall use it as a beer cooler!
Send it to ashens
My first thought as well, lol.
Though sending a frozen item international mail and hoping it stays frozen the entire time is probably expensive.
Sure it's not 1997 now, but who knows what will happen in the future?
If Futurama has taught me anything it’s that time will loop back around.
Better hold onto it until it’s in date again.
My girlfriend's family cabin has a cold storage in the basement. We found some canned stew that had expired in 1982. A friend of mine actually ate it and he didn't get sick!
can food can last far longer than the expiration date, as long as it still has seal integrity, and not bulging.
Yeah I'd argue canning is one of the greatest technological marvels of the 20th century. I never check the expiration date of the cans in my kitchen
Yeah, the expiry is beaurocracy in action, but okay beiroacracy, I'm fine with putting the dates. But canned goods are eternal if stored properly, and doing a quick inspection for what you mentioned is all you need when you're scouring the wasteland for Vienna sausages in the far off time of the year 2025.
What do you have against the word "bureaucracy"?
Maybe that poster really meant rule of the beautiful rather than rule of the office?!
I rely on auto correct to take care of things like that for me.
My first question about the lasagna was "how did it taste?"
My father was an academic and the thing academics do when they visit each other's houses is to bring a bottle of something. So they had a cellar room full of booze. It was awesome when I was in high school in the mid-90s. My parents didn't drink beer though, so there was no beer in the house except for a six-pack of Michelob at the back of the room that had pull tabs on it. They stopped making pull tabs in 1980. So it was at least 14-year-old beer. It was one of the few things I didn't think about and/or decide to steal.
Similar situation for me, but my sister was five years older than me and age and her friends got to all the good stuff first. All that was left for me was a selection of gross flavored brandy and a bunch of novelty shaped bottles that I undoubtedly ruined the collectible value of when I cracked them open.
probably still good
Guys it's just a "best by" date! Those things last forever!
SteveMRE1987 wants it
Nice hiss!
After all that time, it truly is a kitchen classic.
Sooo, How was it?
I don't think she can throw that out. It might be legally classified as a culturally significant existing artifact.
That's probably the best microwave dinner left on the planet if it doesn't have freezer burn.
If it went in the freezer good, it's good
Probably real beef!
I was thinking the same thing. It's probably higher quality ingredients than today's shit. I grew up in the 80s and I distinctly remember food tasting better back then. Even shitty TV dinners.
When was the mad cow prion problem in UK beef?
In the United Kingdom, from 1986 to 2015, more than 184,000 cattle were diagnosed with the peak of new cases occurring in 1993.
I don't know if that affected Ireland, or whether Ireland was importing British beef, but I don't think I'd eat that even if it smelled good, and I wouldn't give it to my dog either
Ireland has had issues with BSE too, even recently.
In 2020, Irish beef destined for export to china was found to be infected, and it resulted in a 3 year ban on Irish beef imports. In 2023, another case was found, and exports have been stopped again.
There have been ~2000 cases since 2001. Way down from the 90s, but it still exists
It's a "best before" date not an expiration date, it might still be good!
It's probably still perfectly safe to eat. It likely just tastes like hot garbage. Frozen food doesn't technically expire, it just slowly gets more and more freezer burnt that degrades the quality and taste. It remains perfectly safe to eat indefinitely, however.
This assumes there was no significant power outage for 27 years, which I would not bet on
Best before 2097? What's the problem there?
Y2K
No, no, it can only be 1997, logically.
The Y2038 problem.
There are no years before 2000.
How high did the item score? https://xkcd.com/2178/
From a reverse image search, looks like this was originally posted on Twitter by Orla Walsh, a dietician. Her education experience on her LinkedIn puts her at about 36 years old at the time the image was posted (July 2023). Since this is her mom's fridge though, we estimate her age at 36+25=61. So, total score is 42.62.
What formula are you using? And where did 25 come from? 2023-1997 = 26 and (26 / 36) x 100 = 72.2
Edit: nevermind, I see you were estimating the mom's age. My bad, all is well.
I kind of want to see a charter plot of that scoring function projected onto a 3-axis manifold with a colored heat map. How would I minMax my anticipated score given my current age or projected lifespan?
Isn't this just survivor bias?
The unreliable fridges from 1980 have all failed already.
In Engineering you have two different kinds of failures:
The first is to do with manufacturing flaws and happens in the first couple of months of use, hence how Warranties work - bad part of bad assembly so it breaks on first use or soon after.
The second kind is the device dying from decay due to use, from old age if you will.
Survivor bias, IMHO, only applies for those devices that last beyond the stage were the first kind of failure can happen as it's kinda random (you can reduce the proportion of devices that fail, but for any one device it's random if it will be one that fails or not)
So a 3 year old fridge dying is not from manufacturing defects but it's dying from faster ageing, which is a flaw in the design or a choice of cheaper, lower quality components.
From what I've seen that's exactly what's been happenning: less robust designs and cheaper components with shorter lifespans, all to save on raw material costs.
Lower manufacturing quality tends to cause the first kind of failures, not the failures well past the first few months.
PS: Note that dying from the second kind of failure still has a random probability for any one device, though whilst the probability from dying from manufacturing flaws is very time dependent (starting very high and then tailing off to pretty much zero within some months), the probability of dying from age is a lot less time dependent and if that much increases slightly with increasing age (whilst the other kind decreases steeply with age, specifically decreases steeply with use). I'm mentioning this for completness, as the point still stands - if there is a high proportion of devices of a given type dying at year 3, then that design has a much higher rate of failure due to aging than devices for which a much smaller proportion dies at year 3, hence the design is not robust and/or lower quality components are being used.
With some exceptions, like lamps or tvs, older devices lasted much more. You can inspect the older devices you find around you and check for yourself. In general, they were much more robust and used better components and were designed to last. This was due to a lot of things that were different. I will try to list some:
These are the things that came to my mind. However, it's important to remember that there are products being made out there with the same robustness level of old appliances. Look into industrial devices, for example. They're build to last for decades and endure much more than common devices, but the prices aren't inviting to the average user.
Could be, but I think it's been well established that things just used to be built better before globalism moved American manufacturing jobs to SE Asia.
I want my whole kitchen and laundry room using 1980s tech
How many power outages has that Lasagna seen?
March 97 of what year?
L5264. You know, just a while after the Mayonnaise Wars of K3737.
2097, obviously, cause 1817 there were no plastics* or refrigerators** or cameras cheap enough to take pictures of trivial shit*** and 1997 would be to obvious. Nah, its definitely not 1997
wat?
Let's get this out onto a tray.
Nice
No hiss
Nonzero chance that abiogenesis occurred in there
check out this custom flavour profile!
I'd honestly be impressed by a freezer that's been running since '97.
That's before they started building them to fail. Why? Because a freezer that's been running since '97 is at least two unsold new freezers.
There's also a lot of other stuff that changed over time. New appliances may be more efficient, run on different (more environmentally friendly) coolant, have lead-free solder circuits, etc.
The thing is, a lot of that old stuff which was found to have health or environment issues also lasted longer. Leaded solder didn't get burrs, for example. The components may also have been easier to repair.
But there's also survivor bias. For every old freezer that sat in grandma's basement for 2-3 decades many more ended up in a scrap heap.
It does say new on the package
Even this picture is a decade old by now.
Is it?
Wow lol
Do you have proof that this person is the original poster? I have seen this image so many times...
No, but can you find an earlier time it was posted?
Bro dont break my meme heart like this
Nice little hiss
Let's get this out onto a tray, Nice!
What impresses me most is that her refrigerator has been working at least since 1997 This refrigerator deserves to go to the Valhalla of refrigerators
The Einherjar shall use it as a beer cooler!
Send it to ashens
My first thought as well, lol.
Though sending a frozen item international mail and hoping it stays frozen the entire time is probably expensive.
Sure it's not 1997 now, but who knows what will happen in the future?
If Futurama has taught me anything it’s that time will loop back around.
Better hold onto it until it’s in date again.
My girlfriend's family cabin has a cold storage in the basement. We found some canned stew that had expired in 1982. A friend of mine actually ate it and he didn't get sick!
can food can last far longer than the expiration date, as long as it still has seal integrity, and not bulging.
Yeah I'd argue canning is one of the greatest technological marvels of the 20th century. I never check the expiration date of the cans in my kitchen
Yeah, the expiry is beaurocracy in action, but okay beiroacracy, I'm fine with putting the dates. But canned goods are eternal if stored properly, and doing a quick inspection for what you mentioned is all you need when you're scouring the wasteland for Vienna sausages in the far off time of the year 2025.
What do you have against the word "bureaucracy"?
Maybe that poster really meant rule of the beautiful rather than rule of the office?!
I rely on auto correct to take care of things like that for me.
My first question about the lasagna was "how did it taste?"
My father was an academic and the thing academics do when they visit each other's houses is to bring a bottle of something. So they had a cellar room full of booze. It was awesome when I was in high school in the mid-90s. My parents didn't drink beer though, so there was no beer in the house except for a six-pack of Michelob at the back of the room that had pull tabs on it. They stopped making pull tabs in 1980. So it was at least 14-year-old beer. It was one of the few things I didn't think about and/or decide to steal.
Similar situation for me, but my sister was five years older than me and age and her friends got to all the good stuff first. All that was left for me was a selection of gross flavored brandy and a bunch of novelty shaped bottles that I undoubtedly ruined the collectible value of when I cracked them open.
probably still good
Guys it's just a "best by" date! Those things last forever!
SteveMRE1987 wants it
Nice hiss!
After all that time, it truly is a kitchen classic.
Sooo, How was it?
I don't think she can throw that out. It might be legally classified as a culturally
significantexisting artifact.That's probably the best microwave dinner left on the planet if it doesn't have freezer burn.
If it went in the freezer good, it's good
Probably real beef!
I was thinking the same thing. It's probably higher quality ingredients than today's shit. I grew up in the 80s and I distinctly remember food tasting better back then. Even shitty TV dinners.
When was the mad cow prion problem in UK beef?
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_spongiform_encephalopathy
I don't know if that affected Ireland, or whether Ireland was importing British beef, but I don't think I'd eat that even if it smelled good, and I wouldn't give it to my dog either
Ireland has had issues with BSE too, even recently.
In 2020, Irish beef destined for export to china was found to be infected, and it resulted in a 3 year ban on Irish beef imports. In 2023, another case was found, and exports have been stopped again.
There have been ~2000 cases since 2001. Way down from the 90s, but it still exists
Kitchen Classics.... Yup it's a classic alright!
*historical exhibit
Kitchen Classics to be sure!