JD Vance's approval rating is worst among Boomers

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JD Vance's approval rating is worst among Boomers
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JD Vance puts his cast iron in the dishwasher pass it on

He weedwhacks in shorts and sandles.

I saw the bastard press the spatula down on burgers he was grilling.

That's hardcore mode though, I didn't think the had the balls.

Hardcore, having balls or ovaries, is taking your ass back into the house and putting on proper clothing like a serious adult who is about to do a job.

Unelectable

And I thought him masturbating dolphins after dosing both the dolphin and himself with LSD was weird enough.

This would unironically raise my opinion of him

If the dolphin consents!

Believe me, the dolphin was very interested in sex.

Peter, being an adolescent dolphin, frequently had sexual urges which disrupted his lessons, and taking Peter to a downstairs pool with two female dolphins proved to be a logistical issue for Lovatt. Eventually, Lovatt relieved Peter's urges herself, stating "It wasn't sexual on my part. Sensuous perhaps. It seemed to me that it made the bond closer. Not because of the sexual activity, but because of the lack of having to keep breaking. And that's really all it was. I was there to get to know Peter. That was part of Peter ... It would just become part of what was going on, like an itch, just get rid of that scratch and we would be done and move on."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Howe_Lovatt#Complications

I've seen him wrapping presents when it's nobody's birthday.

This guy has no backbone and just shills culture war trash while sucking his handlers dick at every corner...

This dude has no character

So many modern Boomer conservatives still cling to the mythology of the JFK era and the national labor movements that made America great in the wake of WW2. Reagan and Bush and Trump knew how to pander to these folks and to scapegoat minorities and immigrants as the cause of the country's decline.

Vance doesn't have any of that. He's entirely a product of the 21st century without any roots to speak of. He hates his mom for needing oxy to get through the day. He hates his home town for failing to pull itself up by its own bootstraps, like the armies of government contractors at Yale and Langley and Silicon Valley. And he hates poor white people for not embodying the mystical traits of superhuman races in his favorite pulp fantasy novels. All of that is naked on his face when he tries to talk to anyone over 30.

He's not like us. He spends too much time on the computer and now he's a fucking weirdo.

the national labor movements that made America great in the wake of WW2

Ah yes, the wake of WWII. When America was on top and producing everything, because all of our competitors had the ever-loving shit bombed out of them. Also they needed to buy stuff too.

Plus all the heavy handed progressive policies of the new deal plus labor unions were at their strongest.

The industry Americans retained could have been under the same monopoly conditions of the 19th century. American working class labor could have been little more than serfs under these same historic conditions.

Instead, we got modern consumerism - private homes, cars, clothes, vacations, fancy liquors, home appliances, toys...

That isn't what the working class of Latin America or Sub-Sahara Africa got, despite also being removed from the war.

Argentina was the 9th largest economy during the height of WW2. But Peronism looted the country rather than investing in it. South African apartheid and Brazil's military coup set their economies back decades. These countries weren't bombed by Germany or Japan, but they never took off like postwar USA.

Strong domestic unions held back the capitalist rot in the States at least until the Volcker shocks under Nixon, Ford, and Carter.

Hey, I'm a weirdo that spends too much time on his computer and I don't do any of that!

^ This.

It's possible to be too online, very weird, etc....without being incel/blackpill/fascist weird.

They all do. I don’t see any different outcome if it was DeathSantis or Vivek or Token Tim Scott instead of JD.

These all people have one thing common among them - they all lack backbones and have absolutely no convictions beyond enriching themselves. Not one of them have even an appearance of a coherent policy that works for / is in best interest of anyone but themselves

On July 31, Trump dismissed suggestions that JD Vance was a bad choice, telling the National Association of Black Journalists that vice presidential picks have "virtually no impact" on elections.

Then why are Republicans bothering to attack Tim Walz?

Republicans are synonymous with hypocrisy.

Even putting that aside, rather than defending his pick he just says sure he sucks, but it doesn't matter... Way to go?

To play devil's advocate in defense of the Vance pick, I don't think Trump needs any assistance in courting boomers. He's managed to appeal to the generation's racist tendencies and "I got mine" attitudes to great success. Vance is to try and attract the young dudebro vote with a discount Andrew Tate. So far he seems like the incel messiah, so maybe it's even working, but obv in all normal circles being such a giant incel is weird af.

He’s not an incel. He “loves” his wife despite her race!

Her tradwife scores were so high that she beat all other couches competitors even after losing points for her inferior bloodline.

She cooks, cleans, bears children, and she's a high-powered San Francisco lawyer. What's more tradwifey than that?

Yeah, but did Trump really need any help locking up that vote? It's not like they were going to flock over to Democrats anytime soon. He's just doubling down on demographics that were already going for him anyways. He needed a stable Pence figure that could convince "on the fence" voters that there was still going to be an adult in the room, or just somebody who is anti-Israel or supports Palestine, that probably would've caused the most chaos among Democrats. They'd disagree on everything else, but hey, this person is against genocide in Israel, let's vote for them.

He needed a stable Pence figure that could convince "on the fence" voters that there was still going to be an adult in the room

Anyone stable enough to be that figure saw what his cult wanted to do to Pence and wouldn't want to be his running mate.

I think the only anti-Israel person Trump would be able to get would be a literal Nazi, so I don't know if that would have changed anything.

I do think that there's a lot of apathy among the incel crowd though. Yeah they might support Trump as a strong man, but that doesn't mean they're willing to expend the energy to go outside and vote for him. I think the idea is that Vance is uh, energizing? that movement with all of his incredibly pro-natal talk. Vance feels pretty close to saying he wants women to just be breeding stock, and that's something incels would vote for.

I can't really play devil's advocate beyond that, it feels too yucky trying to rationalize it. For all we know he was just the name Trump thought of on the day.

Yeah, we can't discount the hetero-sectionals of this country. They'll take women as breeding stock, but until that day comes, they'll come on IKEA's in-stock.

Can you be an incel if you have children...?

I know the term is involuntary celibate, but the "movement" has kinda moved onto any men who believe that a woman is obligated to fuck them. That crowd has picked up on a heavy pro-natal message, and Vance's disparaging comments about women who don't have kids plays well there. He might have had sex, but he's trying to offer those losers a world where they're on top of the power structure.

Bit silly really. Why do they need women when they can have a really nice couch?

He has things in common with incels, but that doesn't make him one.

philosophically he really really is, in the same way andrew tate (except for thinking he's hot, which incels don't do) is.

It would be so easy to compare him to incels without saying he is one.

he's an incel who got laid. philosophically, psychologically, socially, he still is. he just got his dick wet a few times. as much as they whine about it;the difference isn't big enough to waste valuable bandwidth defining.

There is a big difference in a virgin and someone who fathered children.

And no I'm not defending him. He's a total piece of shit. Just not involuntarily celibate even if he shares some views with those who are.

I mean just as one example of how they're different: level of sexual frustration.

just because he's fucked, doesn't mean he's gotten any better. doesn't mean he doesn't hate women any less. probably resents having to fuck one for his public image.

And I never implied any of that. Just that it's silly to call someone a thing with a literal meaning as though words don't matter. And yes he's not any better off, just different.

brevity, especially in explicitly political messages, matters. nuance WILL be lost, communication has two sides, and sometimes you cannot convey perfect truth, you need to lose a little fidelity. so "JD vance is an incel" is true enough for literal government work.

"JD Vance is a misogynist"

Brief and accurate. Less confusing. Didn't need to make up anything untrue or stretch any definitions to something they aren't.

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Incel isn't on your tax returns, Incel comes from the heart

You can be celibate after having children, so yes?

I think it's more than simply being involuntarily celibate. It's a whole thought process and belief system that places blame outside of yourself which creates a great animosity towards others.

I wouldn't call myself an incel, but I sure wouldn't be passing up sex if I were able to have it. I just don't blame or hate women for my problems. It's entirely my fault that I suck lol

Does celebate mean virgin? I thought it just meant not having sex.

You're right, but the vast majority of incels are both.

Can we prove it's his kids and not some cuck affair? Or so i heard.

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Millennial here, we don’t like him either. I’m really concerned for the couches my children will have to grow up with.

Why is he so puffy? He always looks like he is wearing one of those silicon masks.

Too much drankin’

As a guy who’s puffy from too much drinkin’ I can confirm that it looks like too much drinkin

Same. I’m quitting tomorrow.

I hope you do! If that's what you want/need, anyway.

An even better day would be today.

Those Silicon Valley Michelin Star restaurants aren’t going to visit themselves. Someone’s got to keep those sommeliers employed.

Are boomers the ones that had plastic foils over their couches?

That was more a thing of the Boomers parent's, the Greatest Generation. At least in the PNW of the US. Fads happened in waves before the internet, so YMMV.

They lived through the Depression when they couldn't afford a new couch, so they learned to protect the one they had

Can confirm. My grandma had a sealed couch that would protect it from stains and the like. Scum like Vance would slide right off.

That doesn't make sense - how else do you get little couches if the momma couch can't be fucked?

But yes, you are correct about that, but I try to PSA that its not the great financial & economical depression that caused such behaviour - that behaviour is the default, the normal, what humans always did.

Its only the extreme profit driven consumerism that followed that that indoctrinated us into the 'buy new completely discard the old, dont think about it, it was always like this, since the dawn of time' ... a price generations are now beginning to pay.

They just foresaw Vance's arrival, and were trying to protect the virtue of their innocent couches from him.

It was foretold in the lint patterns of old, embroidered into the sofas of kinds, printed on those little inside stickers that tell you how to wash things, that one day a great couch fucker will be born, a couch fucker with pretty blue eyes & mad eye-shadow game, a couch fucker to unite both the couch fucker nation, and ottoman fucker nomads, one couch fucker to rule them all (couches, not other couch fuckers).

But the prophecies were lost to time and legend, decayed like the crusty old jizz between the cushions, subject to decades of hateful propaganda by the evil those-shitty-massage-chairs-that-dont-shiatsu-but-only-vibrate oligarchy.

However in the end, the great couch fucker (GCF?) shall rise, and don't do shit.
Not for incompetence reasons, nor all the hate speech, but because love defeats all. For nothing ever compared to that first couch, the couch he took when his parents tried to throw it out, the couch that is now in his bedroom where the bed should be.

In the end, as all great legend go, the great couch fucker was defeated by a sweet old couch that fucked, fucked good.

I never quite understood what those were for...I remember people mocking boomers that still did that (because it was something the generation before mostly did?) but was it to preserve the couches?

It was to preserve the couches. And TBF they did work for that, but they raised the question of why the fuck did you pay for expensive furniture that you never used, and why did you devote a whole room in your house to that shit? The answer is it was for "company", i.e. visitors you didn't like and couldn't wait for them to leave.

Can I request he stop coming to Michigan? This week marks the 3rd time since becoming Trump's choice. We don't want him here.

Someone should suggest he campaign in Miami. I hear he loves the Dolphins.

What is a con man without the confidence?

Don't let's ignore the searing hatred us gen xers have for this living example of retrograde evolution.

Just a point of context that my fellow gen-xers still really do still suck and there more than likely isn't that much hated for this couch lover.

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/first-read/poll-gen-x-gen-z-take-different-political-paths-rcna66264

Bleh. I have no idea what happened to some Gen Xers (and honestly I have the same question about some boomers, and have had these questions since the 80s, really), but I guess it proves the point that generations are not really a "thing" as much as marketers would like them to be.

I read that Gen Y are now better off than other generations were at the current stage in their lives, so I bet they might swing more conservative (the "I got mine" thing), possibly: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-dramatic-turnaround-in-millennials-finances/ar-AA1oKIcC

If the same happens to Gen Z, it is possible that these two generations might be even worse than boomers or Xers....but only time will tell.

Probably because at least some boomers were educated enough (in their schools as well as hearing it straight from their parents) about the dangers of fascism.

How? They usually love awful scumballs.

Yeah, but he's a millennial, and there's nobody Boomers hate worse than their own children.

Newspapers: "Are Millennials Killing the Scumball Politician Industry?"

Real question is why younger generations aren’t more negative? Just ignorance or do they actually like him more?

The survey comprised 1,001 adults, out of a total population of about 330 million in the US. I’d think it very likely that many demographic groups weren’t accurately represented in that 1,001.

My guess is that it is ignorance and some of the same ignorant people look at the age of someone and think a younger person will somehow represent younger people better in some undefined way.

I've heard the low-wattage types (we probably all have) that looked at Biden and donnie and wrote them off as more or less the same because they are both "old white guys". So they either didn't vote, or voted third party....I bet these same types see Vance and think he is somehow a good choice for younger voters...