GM confirms $130,000 Cadillac Escalade IQ won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto | GM said it was going to drop Apple CarPlay and Android Auto in all vehicles, and now, that includes Cadillac’s l...
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GM confirms $130,000 Cadillac Escalade IQ won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto | GM said it was going to drop Apple CarPlay and Android Auto in all vehicles, and now, that includes Cadillac’s l...::Cadillac confirms its new Google built-in infotainment leaves no room for Apple CarPlay or Android Auto. Instead, Google built-in is running the 55-inch infotainment screen.
I'm not the target audience for this to begin with, but I refuse to own a car ever again that doesn't have Android Auto. What a bunch of anti-consumer bullshit. What are the odds GM starts charging a subscription fee to access apps on these vehicles?
I thought they already announced they would be targeting their infotainment as a subscription based service.
A quick duck duck go: https://www.pymnts.com/subscriptions/2022/gm-rolling-out-dozens-of-new-subscription-offerings/
I would rather have none of that in my vehicle, thanks.
I like my vehicles like I like my software - buy once for the features that exist now; upgrade when there is a compelling reason to do so. This rent-seeking subscription bullshit is crap.
I agree. It’s a line in the sand at this point.
I remember back in the 90s looking at these super cool CD players people and installed. I’m sure the nice ones were insanely expensive. CarPlay/Android Auto is a better UI than literally any other option ever put in a car. End of story.
apple and google are helping lead the charge against carplay and android auto
I refuse to own a car that doesn't have a DIN slot for my own tech.
What modern vehicles still have that? Most of the cars I've had lately and aren't even modern have proprietary shit
I have a 2016 Jeep which is relatively modern and installed an aftermarket head unit.
car makers started phasing out dins in 2013 and they don't give warnings if newer models don't include them, so you better buy sooner rather than later
It is unlikely that I will ever buy something newer than 2005. I'm in a 1994 right now.
I think the idea is to get you to pay for data for your car. Tesla is often cited as doing the same thing (eg no phone projection, use the built in), but their unlimited data price is super reasonable at like $100/year. I am not sure what GM is charging, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's more.
Yeah but I also already pay for a phone and am tired of being nickel and dimed at every opportunity. The price of the service isn't necessarily the issue -- it's the fact that there is a price to begin with.
Totally agree. Don't tell me more reasons why I want to pay like, "your car is a hotspot now!". I can already do that with my phone. There's no need to have a data plan per device in my mind if you already have a modem in your pocket.
To be honest, I don't really care what it costs I wouldn't pay. No car manufacturer in the world has ever produced a car with a good mapping system. I can't imagine why anyone would pay anything at all for a product that's worse than the free one in their phone.
And you can add horrible UIs to that list too, that GM system looks like ass
I’ve got a Dodge Journey they have horrible looking icons from 1995 with a shit looking red backdrop
Yep agree. Even if it’s super reasonable now, just wait until they've got everyone. It’s the enshittification of the auto industry.
that's why theyre doing it and both apple and google are helping them.
Ladies and gentlemen... FROM the company that brought us "Cadillac CUE" (all-capacitive-buttons information controls)...
...Something nobody wants!
I worked at a Cadillac dealership and I absolutely HATED the cars that had these. Barely functioned in the winter time
Had that in my '17 CTS, the screen did it's normal "I'm in control now" thing of random touch inputs until I finally had enough. Bought an aftermarket screen without the gel layer and replaced it, it was much better than OEM.
55” infotainment screen, in a fucking vehicle? That’s what I have in my living room. 🤯
with an aspect ratio of 20:1 across the entire dash.
I would literally walk out of the dealership
The only reasonable response to walking into a GM dealership
laughing, too
I still don't understand why car brands don't just use Android Automotive anyway. Most native infotainment systems in cars still look and feel like they're from the early 2000s.
That 55-inch interface they're showing off really looks like some weird 2006-ish concept.
Edit: Apparently, it's running "Google built-in" which means that this particular system is based on Android Automotive OS and it's just running some proprietary launcher on top.
I wonder how long before they stop pushing updates to it
That's implying that they'll push updates at all
We all know that the look of the interface will stay the same throughout the lifetime of the car. At least with CarPlay or Android Auto, it represents the interface of your phone. CarPlay is a hard requirement for my vehicles.
Subscription based for a few years z then they'll just drop it
Nissan stopped updating the navigation for my 2016 car last year.
So... Pretty shit
I remember when updates to cars were called product recalls and they only happened in exceptional circumstances.
Back to Bluetooth and Google maps on your phone after the free data period ends. Such a bad move for consumers.
Y'know what would be great?
An industry standard system that would work properly with any type of phone, tablet or other mobile device.
Preferably one that doesn't run like shit.
And while we're at it, require physical nobs/buttons for basic navigation/climate control for safety purposes.
This made me laugh more than it should've.
AbsoFuckingLutely
Not that I needed any more, but I’ll take reason I’ll never own a GM for $5000 Alex.
"You will own nothing and be happy". The overall push of the whole tech industry is towards the SaaS model, where you would need to pay an endless list of third party services annual subscriptions in order to have some reasonable experience.
This is the only way for them to sustain the endless growth spiral their shareholders require. Sad days for humanity.
Lack of AA isn't the problem, it's the 130k for that hideous monstrosity.
We need a open standard fully open source alternative.
Why? They work with the phone you have.
Neither CarPlay nor Android Auto are open source, nor are either open standards.
Not on GrapheneOS.
Is it fully open source? That is the key, transparency.
No problem, there are other cars to choose from.
Will be interesting to see how many of these they actually sell. I’m guessing it will flop and the factory will be retooled to build a different EV in a year. Same with Hummer line. These models are wayyyyy too niche.
I mean the 2023 ESV sport platinum is MSRP 108k and you get 14/16mpg. So I mean if you were already looking at one and you now get 450miles per charge it may be worth it.
Definitely be interesting to see how they do.
I don’t think the market for these is consumers. I think it’s more targeted towards brands/companies. Suburbans are the “go to” vehicle for a lot of upscale valet services and I wouldn’t be surprised to see a lot of those go electric to save on costs.
We'll, that's a move.
General Motos, you are a bold one.
Call me crazy, but the way the bottom control screen is off centered from the central nav/infotainment bit above it looks horrible and I can't imagine buying such an expensive car with such an annoying design.
Eh. I have no CarPlay in my 2016 Prius and the proprietary system they have only makes me almost crash my car 30% of the time I use it so I can't complain.
Oh my, since when do cars have HDMI in? That's real luxury.
my friend has a ‘15 Honda Fit with a factory HDMI input - apparently it can be used when parked to project to the infotainment screen but I haven’t seen that feature used or on another vehicle since
I'm not sure a lot of you are reading that they are replacing ACP and AA with built in Google apps, including Google maps for navigation; they aren't eliminating the functionality, they are replacing it.
I think I would prefer this over slaving my phone to the car because there are some real annoying things about AA when I try to use it while connected to my car. The only big question is: do they require separate Internet connection or can I use my unlimited data plan phone as a hotspot. Having to pay for more connection services would piss me off, however I read somewhere a few weeks back that connecting to the Internet via a hotspot was supported.
I would happily keep slaving my phone to my car to avoid paying for extra services.
I think we agree on that point, as I started.
I have wireless AA on my Civic and I literally get in the car, turn it on, and my phone connects automatically. It's very convenient. What issues have you run into?
Well, unfortunately I don't have wireless AA, so the cable can sometimes be an issue. Beyond that, they aren't huge issues, but if I need to look something up in maps it won't let me. I know, I'm not supposed to use while driving, but if I'm at a light and I want to do a quick detour search I can't use the handheld (dash interface isn't as easy to use as handheld). The contact search\phone app doesn't work as easily for me and I find the voice search to be spotty.
Like I said not big issues, but mostly just preference; I'd rather have my phone separate and free from restriction as I only use the maps through AA. My phone calls and audiobooks\podcasts we're always fine through Bluetooth.
Fair enough. I do admit, I went through a number of USB cables in a previous car that didn't have wireless. However, I don't really see how restricting access to AA would solve your maps issue. So, rather than not being able to use your phone to look up a detour (which I have done, by unplugging my phone, selecting a new route, then plugging it back in, which isn't great), you now just look up a detour on your phone and then what? Don't use the car's navigation at all?
I use a wireless adapter similar to this one. https://blakadder.com/android-auto-wireless-adapter/
I had no idea this existed, thank you so much!
My solution to that is I use Waze for turn by turn navigation on the car screen and then I can pop open Google maps on my phone for the occasional quick search. If I need to update my route then I'll ask Waze to add a stop.
That's a good idea. I should do that. Also, thanks for being someone who understands wanting to search stuff while in the turn by turn mode. It's hard to explain WHY I would need this, but it seems like something I experience at least once a week.
According to ars google maps and assistant are free for 8 years. Everything else they will charge for.
Does anyone actually use either of those though? It's always been more easy and convenient for me to just use my own phone.
Android auto IS using your own phone.
A crippled version of my phone.
What exactly are you doing on your phone while driving besides listening to music and/or using maps?
Typing in maps addresses that are too complex for the voice recognition to understand.
You should still be able to do that on the car touchscreen just like the old Tom Tom etc…
They also forget that sometimes there is a passenger wanting to do this, it’s not always just the driver in the car.
If there's a passenger, at least in my car, the system recognizes it and let's one type with the touchscreen.
Listening to YouTube, playing music from my sd card. Changing routing instructions. Adding stops along the way. Avoiding highways, allowing highways. Asking what the exchange rate between the euro abd the dollar is. Asking if European chickens are smaller than American chickens. (And probably other things)
Tons of hate in here, and yet the same people complaining about the lack of AA or ACP don't bring up the same complains with Tesla or Rivian or Lucid or a few other brands that don't support it.
I've seen plenty of complains about Tesla not supporting android auto
Because this thread is specifically about the escalade not having it.
Perhaps because there are bigger complaints to be made about those brands.
I do. There are a few things that prevent me from ever considering a Tesla, and Android Auto is one of them.
Personally, Tesla's support for phone connections doesn't even come into play because there's plenty of other technical and administrative reasons to avoid them.
Also, based on descriptions of AA I'm seeing in this thread, it sounds like I'd rather just continue hooking up my phone's audio to my car's sound system and mounting it on the dash than use AA.
GM's alternative solution doesn't interest me whatsoever and it wouldn't surprise me if it comes with a horrible UX as most companies that make something else but try to also make software suck at it and include other BS meant to make them money rather than improve the experience. It will add no value to me but I'm sure it will add to the cost.
Those are a whole lot of assumptions at the end there seeing as no one has even seen or interacted with their new UI on these non-AA/ACP cars. They aren't even out yet, and everyone automagically thinks they know.
Fair but I'm not holding my breath.
They're both shit, hopefully cadillac will come up with something better
Yeah if there's one thing car companies are great at, it's developing wonderfully intuitive head units/nav units.
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