If you're a woman and vote to put any Republican in power in this country, no matter how small or local, you must be insane.
From the conservative women I know, it's because they don't think these Draconian laws will ever apply to them...which is just characteristic of them.
They don't think abortion should be legal because they can control their own sexual activities. If women (i.e. slutty liberals) want to have sex then they should be punished blessed with a child.
Women conservatives are just conservatives. They don't think the law will apply to them.
...or hoping that backing/marrying a powerful man will mean the leopards won't eat YOUR face.
Evidently, they'll just abuse it to death rather than eating it.
I get your point, but let's not imply that it's only women's job to vote Republicans out. Policies detrimental to women diminish and damage the whole country and that's everyone's responsibility.
I don't think anyone was saying all the responsibility belongs to women. I think they were saying that women, among other targeted groups, should have extra motivation to vote these people out.
I did choose the word 'imply' instead of 'say' for a reason. And yes, implication is subjective so my comment was just my opinion. In any case, I would like to see men and all people experience that urgency and motivation just as strongly.
Ok, but you were wrong that they were implying it. And you can't weasle out of being wrong by saying it's subjective.
Ok, going back to (direct quote) misterundercoat's statement that I was originally replying to above,
If you're a woman and vote to put any Republican in power in this country, no matter how small or local, you must be insane.
You're right. They neither said or implied that anyone else who voted Republican is any less insane or any less to blame.
I think I just get frustrated when people want to only go as far as labeling a voting behavior or a moral stance as insane, stupid, deluded, evil or just plain dumb... and not dig into the whole system of shit that led to the person or group behaving that way. But there's plenty of room for both of those angles in this lovely fediverse and I shouldn't feel any need to police such things.
There are more women voters than men voters.
Oh, I dunno. Maybe I want white, christian men to tell me what I can and can't do.
/s I'm a man.
or indoctrinated
He doesn't like divorce because he doesn't want to be single. His wife didn't even show up to his event.
Someone actually married this guy?
Wait for real? His wife wasn't there?
It was 14 hours between his nomination and the speech. According to NPR , she couldn't get a flight. Dude is still an assclown.
Oh that makes sense. I didn't think about the insane timeframe. Everything political feels like it's in slow motion.
Holy shit hahahaha. What a loser
She's exhausted from being on her knees praying. Or something. It was quite a bizarre comment he made.
More like he's closeted and she's too busy getting railed by the mail man to bother going to his events. When people are this anti gay, I just know it's because they hate something about themselves and are projecting it on everyone else.
I still run into men all the time that lament no fault divorce as being one of the worst things that ever happened in this country (along with Roe and women being able to have their own bank account/credit line, of course).
Please refer them to this comment next time you run into them:
Y'all are some punk ass bitches. Grow up and stop being a weak-kneed, cowardly, controlling asshole. If you want someone to love you, then be worthy of their love.
They don't want to br worthy of love, they just want someone they can fuck and control that's it. If it was about wanting love they'd change their mindset for the better.
They just want someone that takes care of them unconditionally. Just like their mum probably used to do. Some men are so fucking clueless when it comes to the basics of housekeeping. I'm glad my father set the correct example for me, as I now try to do for my kid.
When a woman has had it with the big baby and goes her own way, the adult toddler is left to his own devices and blames all his shortcomings on the ex-wife and the invention of divorce. (Or probably abortion because they know having kids is another way to anchor the wife to them.)
They don't want to br worthy of love, they just want someone they can fuck and control that's it. If it was about wanting love they'd change their mindset for the better.
I didn't like divorce either until I understood why my parents got one.
Yeah I didn't get it when I was a kid, but turns out my mom was a fucking lunatic so đ
Einstein was wrong. Time travel has to be possible. I came here expecting ppl to pile onto the guy. Instead, I get debates about divorce like it was 1855!
You Americans are a wild bunch, I tell ya.
And to the people about to comment that I should not inject myself into debates into U.S. politics as foreigner: I'll stop that the moment this community gets renamed to USpolitics.
'Murican here. Given that our politics are absolutely fucked, I'd say keep the constructive foreign insight coming.
Of course, the moment the constructive criticism is only coming from the outside will be when it gets labeled as foreign manipulation to further cement tribalistic mentality and provide fresh out-groups to hate and fear.
I only see one guy against divorce and they're heavily down voted.
Yeah, but the fact that people actually enter into arguments with the guy tell me that there are debates held about this at all.... which is nuts!
A debate, to me implies two rational actors presenting their viewpoints and then defending them with facts. That guy has done nothing more than say it's wrong then refuse to elaborate so again to me, it can't be considered a debate any more than convincing a child to eat it's dinner would be considered one.
You really overestimate the values of the average person
It's one dude arguing with everyone else.
It does America no good to constantly have our heads so far up or collective rectum that we forget the are 190ish other countries with different, often successful ideas. But we have grown up being taught American exceptionalism and manifest destiny - I remember sections of our history book titled the same and it was either presented without critique or the critique was subtle enough that it went over our heads.
I'm just explaining that quite a lot of us believe we are literally the best country in the world and dismiss other countries without thought. Ironic that we call ourselves a melting pot of the best of every culture. Anyway, it's useful to have people come in and go, "y'all are a bunch of nutbags." Because we are, and perhaps we are exceptional in that way.
I don't recall being taught that in school.
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community gets renamed to USpolitics.
You can stop doing that now. You don't need to wait to other people accommodate your threats.
Wow yeah must be a surprise to learn that a nation of over 280 million people from diverse backgrounds donât share the exact same opinion on a topic. Crazy that our social media platforms doesnât act as an echo chamber serving to reinforce your beliefs in particularâŚ
Oh, I don't, yet there are those opinions that should not be divisive. Like "You should not murder people" or "you should not force people to stay together because trapping them in their misery will make feel you better"
Yet you make this comment in a post about divorce (ÍĄâ˘_ ͥ⢠)
This is very on brand for republicans. It is part of the overall plan to create Gilead (that SHOULD be an exaggeration but... if anything it is an understatement). The idea being that women are property.
Abortion is evil. Because if a guy knocks up a woman? Assuming he doesn't "deny deny deny" and his lawyer can't get him out of it, he is looking at a ridiculously small tax that he pays for a few months and then ignores for the rest of his life. A woman loses months (if not years) of her life to recovery and childcare and loses earning potential for her entire life. Which... makes her more beholden to her spouse.
Affirmative action is racist/sexit/whatever. Because, same as above, it makes it easier for Manly Men to refuse to promote or hire women to keep them barefoot and pregnant because they can't get a job.
Divorce is wrong: So even if your property gets uppety and thinks she can find a way to survive without you? Sorry, not legal, go cook dinner and then I'll put another baby in you.
And plenty of others. The goal is to make women property that can't escape or ever say no.
And the idea of a man wanting to leave a woman? Just kill the bitch and get a new wife. Or fuck your daughter.
Under his eye.
Why is it anytime one of these republicans opens their mouth I know theyâre going to say something infuriatingly regressive, backwards, and going to try to fuck someone over with their view?
I think you just defined conservatism.
Because they only get famous enough to get votes by being outrageous enough to score headlines.
They're very similar to the Taliban in that regards.
The great thing about democracy is that you can have a personal opinion about a particular issue, and still defend the rights of people to act in opposition to your opinion, because those actions do not infringe on the rights of anyone else.
Unfortunately (yes, I am about to say it again), the House is controlled by the American Fascist Party.
Whose leader has been Thrice divorced...
And he's definitely paid for abortions even though he won't admit it.
America is fascinating. Just a giant church of hypocrisy with a tonne of guns
It all makes a lot of sense when you realize that the pilgrim fathers didn't travel to America to be free from persecution, but mostly to be free to persecute.
Love your username btw. You should really join the Thread where you post AI generated images using only your username as the prompt đ
Oh lord. I don't wanna see that hahah
Yeah heâs a giant piece of shit. He better hope he doesnât end up on https://gayhomophobe.com after getting caught with a rent boy. The louder someone hates and complains, the more they have to hide.
The most powerful man in the House doesn't like divorce women
Just fucking end marriage. It's fucking archaic. When two people become partners they enter a business partnership . That's it. It should be treated as such.
That feels sad lol. People like marriage because it feels good and it's romantic. It's not supposed to be a business partnership.
Lemmy man. We need more normies here.
Love and romance has little to do with the privileges granted by the state. Or do you think people should not be allowed to marry if they are not in love?
Sure, that's fine too, but the vast majority of marriages now are based on love. Business arrangements are fine too, they just aren't what people usually get married for.
There are other parts of the world besides the super wealthy West
That argument could be turned around. There are other parts of the world other than the East. I get what you're saying though.
well then have a party, invite your friends and put on your pretty dress and say you're married now.
Cool thanks! I loved wearing my wedding dress and saying my vows.
A wedding and a relationship doesn't require endorsement by the government. Go have a ceremony, grow old together, but you don't need your local county clerk having a say in it.
Had me in the first half
We should end the legal institution of marriage. It literally only provides two benefits: you can pool income for tax purposes, and you can share health insurance. Both of those items could easily be addressed without marriage, especially if we had universal healthcare or if you could add a partner to your health insurance like you can with car insurance.
Meanwhile, marriage in it's current form means that the state decides how much of your retirement savings you get to keep when your partner decides to leave you or you decide to leave your partner. It's the worst financial decision that it is possible to make to ever marry someone outside of your class because of that risk, and that risk sucks the joy and romance out of the whole thing.
If you want to have a fairy tale wedding or an important religious ceremony, go for it, but there is zero reason to get the government involved at all anymore.
That's not true. There are plenty of other legal rights marriage conveys such as power of attorney and child custody.
You can also sponsor for immigration.
Imagine all of the right wingers who will take that talking point and run with it to justify banning gay marriage.
"Well, y'all don't even think marriage should be a fuckin' institution so why should you be allowed to do it? Hyuck hyuck hyuck"
I happen to agree, me and my wife lived together for years before getting paperwork done. Just finally had to do it, it is just too much work otherwise. From insurance, to property, to inheritance, to medical decisions. A justice of a peace simple thing.
With divorce rates and the view on marriage not being great, we might finally go back to the âbusiness partnershipâ it was before. Thank god.
the united states sucks ass
Who cares what he thinks? He can go pound sand.
The latest episode of the Know Your Enemy podcast had some interesting words about why the republican party can't govern or correct itself in the final ~10 minutes of the episode. I didn't get to finish because of life stuff, so I rewound to re-listen later today (awake with insomnia rn, not ready to digest).
Sorry for this empty post where I didn't convey their ideas. It was something about campaign finance and how McCain / Feingold created a channel for the worst (like Gaetz) to act like shitheads.
Oh yeah? Well he can go fuck himself. It's none of his business what married couples decide. Fuck him and his fascist religion. Edit: spelling
*about to be formerly married
If you're a woman and vote to put any Republican in power in this country, no matter how small or local, you must be insane.
From the conservative women I know, it's because they don't think these Draconian laws will ever apply to them...which is just characteristic of them.
They don't think abortion should be legal because they can control their own sexual activities. If women (i.e. slutty liberals) want to have sex then they should be
punishedblessed with a child.Women conservatives are just conservatives. They don't think the law will apply to them.
Obligatory.... https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/
...or hoping that backing/marrying a powerful man will mean the leopards won't eat YOUR face.
Evidently, they'll just abuse it to death rather than eating it.
I get your point, but let's not imply that it's only women's job to vote Republicans out. Policies detrimental to women diminish and damage the whole country and that's everyone's responsibility.
I don't think anyone was saying all the responsibility belongs to women. I think they were saying that women, among other targeted groups, should have extra motivation to vote these people out.
I did choose the word 'imply' instead of 'say' for a reason. And yes, implication is subjective so my comment was just my opinion. In any case, I would like to see men and all people experience that urgency and motivation just as strongly.
Ok, but you were wrong that they were implying it. And you can't weasle out of being wrong by saying it's subjective.
Ok, going back to (direct quote) misterundercoat's statement that I was originally replying to above,
You're right. They neither said or implied that anyone else who voted Republican is any less insane or any less to blame.
I think I just get frustrated when people want to only go as far as labeling a voting behavior or a moral stance as insane, stupid, deluded, evil or just plain dumb... and not dig into the whole system of shit that led to the person or group behaving that way. But there's plenty of room for both of those angles in this lovely fediverse and I shouldn't feel any need to police such things.
There are more women voters than men voters.
Oh, I dunno. Maybe I want white, christian men to tell me what I can and can't do.
/s I'm a man.
or indoctrinated
He doesn't like divorce because he doesn't want to be single. His wife didn't even show up to his event.
Someone actually married this guy?
Wait for real? His wife wasn't there?
It was 14 hours between his nomination and the speech. According to NPR , she couldn't get a flight. Dude is still an assclown.
Oh that makes sense. I didn't think about the insane timeframe. Everything political feels like it's in slow motion.
Holy shit hahahaha. What a loser
She's exhausted from being on her knees praying. Or something. It was quite a bizarre comment he made.
More like he's closeted and she's too busy getting railed by the mail man to bother going to his events. When people are this anti gay, I just know it's because they hate something about themselves and are projecting it on everyone else.
I still run into men all the time that lament no fault divorce as being one of the worst things that ever happened in this country (along with Roe and women being able to have their own bank account/credit line, of course).
Please refer them to this comment next time you run into them:
Y'all are some punk ass bitches. Grow up and stop being a weak-kneed, cowardly, controlling asshole. If you want someone to love you, then be worthy of their love.
They don't want to br worthy of love, they just want someone they can fuck and control that's it. If it was about wanting love they'd change their mindset for the better.
They just want someone that takes care of them unconditionally. Just like their mum probably used to do. Some men are so fucking clueless when it comes to the basics of housekeeping. I'm glad my father set the correct example for me, as I now try to do for my kid.
When a woman has had it with the big baby and goes her own way, the adult toddler is left to his own devices and blames all his shortcomings on the ex-wife and the invention of divorce. (Or probably abortion because they know having kids is another way to anchor the wife to them.)
They don't want to br worthy of love, they just want someone they can fuck and control that's it. If it was about wanting love they'd change their mindset for the better.
I didn't like divorce either until I understood why my parents got one.
Yeah I didn't get it when I was a kid, but turns out my mom was a fucking lunatic so đ
Einstein was wrong. Time travel has to be possible. I came here expecting ppl to pile onto the guy. Instead, I get debates about divorce like it was 1855!
You Americans are a wild bunch, I tell ya.
And to the people about to comment that I should not inject myself into debates into U.S. politics as foreigner: I'll stop that the moment this community gets renamed to USpolitics.
'Murican here. Given that our politics are absolutely fucked, I'd say keep the constructive foreign insight coming.
Of course, the moment the constructive criticism is only coming from the outside will be when it gets labeled as foreign manipulation to further cement tribalistic mentality and provide fresh out-groups to hate and fear.
I only see one guy against divorce and they're heavily down voted.
Yeah, but the fact that people actually enter into arguments with the guy tell me that there are debates held about this at all.... which is nuts!
A debate, to me implies two rational actors presenting their viewpoints and then defending them with facts. That guy has done nothing more than say it's wrong then refuse to elaborate so again to me, it can't be considered a debate any more than convincing a child to eat it's dinner would be considered one.
You really overestimate the values of the average person
It's one dude arguing with everyone else.
It does America no good to constantly have our heads so far up or collective rectum that we forget the are 190ish other countries with different, often successful ideas. But we have grown up being taught American exceptionalism and manifest destiny - I remember sections of our history book titled the same and it was either presented without critique or the critique was subtle enough that it went over our heads.
I'm just explaining that quite a lot of us believe we are literally the best country in the world and dismiss other countries without thought. Ironic that we call ourselves a melting pot of the best of every culture. Anyway, it's useful to have people come in and go, "y'all are a bunch of nutbags." Because we are, and perhaps we are exceptional in that way.
I don't recall being taught that in school.
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You can stop doing that now. You don't need to wait to other people accommodate your threats.
Wow yeah must be a surprise to learn that a nation of over 280 million people from diverse backgrounds donât share the exact same opinion on a topic. Crazy that our social media platforms doesnât act as an echo chamber serving to reinforce your beliefs in particularâŚ
Oh, I don't, yet there are those opinions that should not be divisive. Like "You should not murder people" or "you should not force people to stay together because trapping them in their misery will make feel you better"
Yet you make this comment in a post about divorce (ÍĄâ˘_ ͥ⢠)
This is very on brand for republicans. It is part of the overall plan to create Gilead (that SHOULD be an exaggeration but... if anything it is an understatement). The idea being that women are property.
And plenty of others. The goal is to make women property that can't escape or ever say no.
And the idea of a man wanting to leave a woman? Just kill the bitch and get a new wife. Or fuck your daughter.
Under his eye.
Why is it anytime one of these republicans opens their mouth I know theyâre going to say something infuriatingly regressive, backwards, and going to try to fuck someone over with their view?
I think you just defined conservatism.
Because they only get famous enough to get votes by being outrageous enough to score headlines.
They're very similar to the Taliban in that regards.
The great thing about democracy is that you can have a personal opinion about a particular issue, and still defend the rights of people to act in opposition to your opinion, because those actions do not infringe on the rights of anyone else.
Unfortunately (yes, I am about to say it again), the House is controlled by the American Fascist Party.
Whose leader has been Thrice divorced...
And he's definitely paid for abortions even though he won't admit it.
America is fascinating. Just a giant church of hypocrisy with a tonne of guns
It all makes a lot of sense when you realize that the pilgrim fathers didn't travel to America to be free from persecution, but mostly to be free to persecute.
Love your username btw. You should really join the Thread where you post AI generated images using only your username as the prompt đ
Oh lord. I don't wanna see that hahah
Yeah heâs a giant piece of shit. He better hope he doesnât end up on https://gayhomophobe.com after getting caught with a rent boy. The louder someone hates and complains, the more they have to hide.
Just fucking end marriage. It's fucking archaic. When two people become partners they enter a business partnership . That's it. It should be treated as such.
That feels sad lol. People like marriage because it feels good and it's romantic. It's not supposed to be a business partnership.
Lemmy man. We need more normies here.
Love and romance has little to do with the privileges granted by the state. Or do you think people should not be allowed to marry if they are not in love?
Sure, that's fine too, but the vast majority of marriages now are based on love. Business arrangements are fine too, they just aren't what people usually get married for.
There are other parts of the world besides the super wealthy West
That argument could be turned around. There are other parts of the world other than the East. I get what you're saying though.
well then have a party, invite your friends and put on your pretty dress and say you're married now.
Cool thanks! I loved wearing my wedding dress and saying my vows.
A wedding and a relationship doesn't require endorsement by the government. Go have a ceremony, grow old together, but you don't need your local county clerk having a say in it.
Had me in the first half
We should end the legal institution of marriage. It literally only provides two benefits: you can pool income for tax purposes, and you can share health insurance. Both of those items could easily be addressed without marriage, especially if we had universal healthcare or if you could add a partner to your health insurance like you can with car insurance.
Meanwhile, marriage in it's current form means that the state decides how much of your retirement savings you get to keep when your partner decides to leave you or you decide to leave your partner. It's the worst financial decision that it is possible to make to ever marry someone outside of your class because of that risk, and that risk sucks the joy and romance out of the whole thing.
If you want to have a fairy tale wedding or an important religious ceremony, go for it, but there is zero reason to get the government involved at all anymore.
That's not true. There are plenty of other legal rights marriage conveys such as power of attorney and child custody.
You can also sponsor for immigration.
Imagine all of the right wingers who will take that talking point and run with it to justify banning gay marriage.
"Well, y'all don't even think marriage should be a fuckin' institution so why should you be allowed to do it? Hyuck hyuck hyuck"
I happen to agree, me and my wife lived together for years before getting paperwork done. Just finally had to do it, it is just too much work otherwise. From insurance, to property, to inheritance, to medical decisions. A justice of a peace simple thing.
With divorce rates and the view on marriage not being great, we might finally go back to the âbusiness partnershipâ it was before. Thank god.
the united states sucks ass
Who cares what he thinks? He can go pound sand.
The latest episode of the Know Your Enemy podcast had some interesting words about why the republican party can't govern or correct itself in the final ~10 minutes of the episode. I didn't get to finish because of life stuff, so I rewound to re-listen later today (awake with insomnia rn, not ready to digest).
Sorry for this empty post where I didn't convey their ideas. It was something about campaign finance and how McCain / Feingold created a channel for the worst (like Gaetz) to act like shitheads.