How is nicotine legal?
I just got up and took about 7 big huffs on a vape while making a coffee. 2% strength and my vision went, everything went black I started blacking out against the kitchen counter. Had to kneel down and wait for it to pass before standing up to finish my coffee. Fucked it up in a cloud of confusion and drank a warm milk.
How the fuck is nicotine legal?
This post (assuming it isn't bait) reminds me exactly of that meme with the guy throwing a stick through the spokes of their bike
Why do people assume the worst? I just whimsically puffed on a vape and thought - *"Fuck me this is too strong to be legal". I don't genuinely believe we need to ban nicotine. I'm pro legalisation of all drugs. I was just bored and found it interesting this drug that almost made me KO on the kitchen floor is legal. There's no sinister plot or baits. Just a bored person.
My man, you almost KO'd because you took 7 big hits of a vasoconstrictor, which is entirely on you for misusing the drug.
This is similar to drowning someone in a vat of vodka and asking 'how can alcohol be legal??'
Where do I find this vat of vodka you speak of?
This place is just a bunch of Karens trying to pick a fight.
That's not assuming the worst, my guy. If this is bait, then you're pretending to be an idiot. If not, you're an actual idiot.
I an idiot.
This is way weirder than anything in the hydrohomies channel.
😂 are you guys following me round Lemmy? Weirdos!
Nope, just clicked on a post like normal and recognized the name. Plus voyagerapp’s “New Account Highlightenator” feature makes you look like this
so you stand out a bit.
That baby has way more hair than I do! Very neat feature though.
Perhaps you should've taken a few big huffs of air aswell?
Talk like that is a slippery slope to becoming a hippy Hydro Homie and before you know it you'll be suggesting crazy shit like I should drink water!
Why should it be illegal?
No one is forcing you to huff it.
That's a really bad argument. People smoking in public do force me to huff the second hand smoke.
That's not an argument for banning nicotine in general. That's an argument for banning smoking in public indoor places, which I think is already the case in most countries.
This and the fact that we're talking about nicotine here, not cigarettes directly.
Inhaling vapor is much less unhealthy (still unhealthy) than inhaling cigarette smoke.
And what about nicotine patches? Should we can those because people don't like inhaling smoke? Doesn't make sense.
What? In what way does that have anything to do with banning nicotine?
I should have been clearer - why is weed illegal while other less-harmful drugs like weed (UK) are illegal? Makes no sense. If I can black out from weed while making coffee surely to fuck weed which has never made me black out should be legal? All weed ever did was make me fucking laugh or get paranoid.
Most of the drug laws are due to back door racism, at least here in the US. They couldn't make laws that directly targeted minorities and so they made laws that targeted things that were part of the targeted minorities culture. Opium and heroin laws seemed to target Asians and the weed laws seemed more to target "beatniks" and Native Americans. It's an interesting (if depressing) research topic of you've a mind.
Chasing the Scream by Johann Hari gives a good run down of the history of the drug war and how/why it came to be. Shocking and depressing.
Also the Behind the Bastards podcast episode on the US Crack Cocaine Epidemic is a good look at that end of things.
I cant find it now, but there's a great quote from someone in Nixon's FDA that basically amounts to "We were lying about the drugs to target the minorities. We knew we were lying.", some real Legion of Doom shit.
wat
Lol I know you meant nicotine and not weed, I think the nicotine is still affecting you
I think you're right! 😂
Now that's a good question, very odd indeed. But I don't know the answer.
You passing out from huffing on a vape is your own, wierd, unique reaction to nicotine due to your own misuse. I can pass out if I huff a glass of water and that would likely kill me. You can slam 20 energy drinks and make your heart explode, you can eat too much food and die, you can drink too much alcohol and get alcohol poisoning. That is all equivalent to someone who apparently has zero nicotine tolerance taking rips on a vape and being mad they got light headed. That is your own fault. That being said, I am totally down with legal weed and illegal nicotine, however, weed impairs your judgment for hours, nicotine only makes you a bit light headed for a minute, and only if you don't have a tolerance. I say this as I rip my 12% vape with zero effect.
I'm not mad...
Oh maybe there's some confusion. A 2% nicotine salt vape is equivalent to a 20% nicotine vape. So imagine doing a vape twice as strong in the morning and you get a good idea of why it caused me to be light-headed.
You're also slightly confused over my seriousness. I'm not seriously suggesting we make nicotine illegal. I just wondered why it's legal and weed isn't but at the same time I don't really care.
I guess my real reason for posting is I'm bored and lonely.
Second hand smokers:
Ah, here he is.
The reason for warning labels on everything
Cheeky sod! I only ate one crayon!
Hey now, if we just militarize our police a bit more, kill and/or throw a few more black people in jail, and further erode civil liberties, surely white kids will stop over dosing on drugs.
/s for the morons
I do think it would be interesting to see a ban on alcohol today and how things would play out.
Seeing how easy homebrewing and how well documented it is online...
Yeah but do you see literally everyone doing it? I feel like most people would see the effort involved and just give up. sure, there would be a large underground black market for alcohol but I think the average person probably wouldn't even bother trying to make their own.
Effort? What effort? Putting a bunch of sugar into juice and letting it sit for a couple of months takes almost no effort.
Want something stronger? Put your newly created Cider in the freezer for a few hours then remove the ice. Congratulations you just freeze distilled your Cider in jack (nearly 30% abv)
I've made some quite nice wines and meads
They don't, but taxes are really fucking effective.
Same way caffien is legal. If you downed 7 espresso shots in a row I'd bet you'd also feel some advers effects. Hell down 7 McDoubles and see if you dont feel adverse effects.
I get bad anxiety if I drink ONE cup on my day off lol
What about 7 air?
Idk, airs mostly just nirtogen, can't be too important right?
nertigren you say?
Lots of notrogon
My guy, see a doctor. Temporary blindness/blacking out is not a normal reaction to nicotine, even in excess. "Nic sick" should just mean nausea/vomiting, dizziness and headaches.
I take it you have never taken nicotine in any capacity then. This is not "nic sick" but that "first hit of the day." Happened to me and everyone I knew when i smoked cigs, and when I kicked it for vaping, and when I kicked that for gum, patches, and lozenges. It's lightheadedness caused by replacing all your air with not air AND the head rush of nicotine.
That said OP should kick the habit if they can anyway (:
I got unconscious on marijuana two times. Not much, smoked a few times before without any consequences. Went to the doctor, he tested my heartbeat (I think), which was fine, and said „well just don’t smoke marijuana“. Which I ended up doing because I was scared. But I would have liked to know what the fuck was going on with me because that can’t be normal. The doctor did not care.
Idk I tried a weed vape once and felt like I was going to pass out like that lol. I stick to edibles.
Not that weird imo if he puffed it that many times in a row without coming up for air.
Sounds more like a blood circulation thing. Nicotine overdose feels more like dizziness and tingling. If you ever feel like fainting try moving your arms and legs to get blood circulation up again. If it happens often see a doctor.
I like the discussion on nicotine, but yeah. Op's "medical moment" seems unrelated to nicotine!
Is that the place you call at 8:45 and end up in a queue until 9:15 when you get told there's no appointments available?
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I think this was supposed to be in c/shitposts
Lobbying. Why is anything in its current legal status? Because a lobby somewhere has spent an amount of money to convince someone to make it so.
All drugs should be legal. Heroin should be legal. What actions people decide to take towards their own bodies are none of the governments concern (outside of offering rehabilitation).
If this affects the functioning of society of course it's government concern
I agree.
The bigger question is why alcohol is not illegal. Ruins lives and families all over the globe. It is addictive, although not as much as opioids, and drunk people cannot drive and can also otherwise not be trusted. Some tend to violent outbursts etc.
The only answer is: It's easy to make, it's been tradition and banning/limiting it has been tried before. And that's also the reason why tobacco is still legal and nicotine isn't illegal.
Here's the thing. There's that famous study of Vietnam vets who used heroin. Turns out that 95% quit cold turkey and never relapsed. In Vietnam, their life was shit, so they used heroin to cope. Back in the US, their lives weren't that shit, so they simply stopped using.
Alcohol? If an alcoholic quits cold turkey, there's a high chance they'll drop dead.
This is partly why there's that 2010 study that ranked alcohol as being more dangerous than heroin.
So what you're saying is we should legalize heroin?
Edit: it was a joke, but for the ones replying, I do support legalisation (though it has to be extremely careful for the harder drugs)
Unironically yes.
Make all drugs legal, so they can be regulated for purity/safety, and treat addiction like a disease, rather than a personal failing
Among other drugs, yeah. There are better ways to deal with the harm these drugs cause. You can get high huffing gasoline aswell and that's not illegal either. (Please don't huff gasoline)
Try to stop me
Here's a relevant article about Portugal:
https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/is-portugals-drug-decriminalization-a-failure-or-success-the-answer-isnt-so-simple/
The article's far more nuanced, but if you're going to ask a simple yes/no question, then yes heroin should be legalised. Done well, and if you adress the true causes of addiction, this is likely to result in the best societal outcome.
Nicotine is legal because it was never made illegal, similar to most things which are legal.
Most of the time in which nicotine has been available it has been through combustion which destroys some of the nicotine and will cause a newcomer like you to cough like a maniac and vomit long before you've taken in enough nicotine to faint. Now that vapes designed to be easy to inhale are available and the amount of nicotine can be adjusted to be higher or lower by the manufacturer, a newcomer can inhale much more nicotine at once than has been possible until very recently. Also, the experience you just had is very unlikely to happen again for two reasons. First, you're probably not going to take huge hits of that vape anymore and second, your brain has now been exposed to that chemical so you now have some tolerance.
I know, right? Last night I drank 5 liters of water while brushing my teeth, and I got a serious stomach ache! How is water legal!?
What I'm saying is that what you experienced there was something called an "user error".
I have smoked for around 15 years now, got a vape maybe 3 years ago and I've never had anything like that happen, unless you count the "contests" we had in middle school.
I don't think that's a good idea.
I know.
Good for you.
Skill issue.
Silly behaviour.
Same way alcohol is legal I imagine, we've been doing it for enough time that it has become culture, and it's not like THAT many people die of it anyway.
Luckily smoking (hopefully including e-smokes) appears to still be declining.
They'll never ban nicotine. Have you ever dealt with an ex-smoker? Very aggro. You'd have riots of very angry people if we banned nicotine immediately.
I could see vapes going to way of cigarettes and being educated out of society but it's going to take a generation. A lifetime of being told "smoking is bad" killed smoking but vapes popped up that solved a hundred problems with smoking immediately (no arsenic, no cancer, no tar, etc) so I think they'll have to brainstorm on how they can convince a big chunk of people why nicotine is bad.
I've quit vaping a few times but came to a horrifying conclusion: Why? It's not like it improves my life massively. Not like smoking where you regain your sense of taste, smell and improve your health. You've simply removed the ability to have morning head rushes. That's it.
I beleive they will, here in australia the gov has been slowly but surely driving up taxes on cigarettes until the point where its such an expensive habit that people wont get hooked in the first place because why spend all that money on durries when you could spend it on some much more enjoyable and affordable instead - before you get to the addiction stage.
This is along with changing laws to deincentivise smokers, such as plain packaging laws to remove advertising appeal, banning indoor smoking and smoking within x-meters of a building doorway, etc.
And now vapes are the new thing the tobacco industry is pushing they have outright banned nicotine vapes and cartridges importing and buying.
If they create a generation that never starts smoking then will anyone resist banning it by the time the last smokers die out?
Headrush. It's part of the appeal! Funny story, I once stood up too quickly and as I opened the door to leave the room I had a headrush. I grabbed the top of the door for support, but also fell against it trapping my fingers, so I yanked it back and smacked the door into my face, so I pushed it away and trapped my fingers in the top. Good times.
Maybe u shouldn't'a done that?
If we all thought like that we wouldn't have planes or butt plugs!!
Don't do that.
If you huff gas you'll get lightheaded, doesn't mean we make it illegal. Self control and responsibility for the win.
Because laws shouldn't exist to protect morons from themselves. If you want to naturally select yourself out of the gene pool go right ahead.
That's a bit mean, but ok. 😂
And wrong as hell 🤣 why they think they have to wear seat belts? To hold up their pants in the car?
Real question is: Hows weed illegal (well over here it still is) and nicotine is not? It ain’t logical thinking thats for sure.
It's not legal where I live.
Where do you live?
Lack of oxygen did this to you, blame the vape. Nicotine is still shit but so is vaping. If you want bronchitis later in life, keep vaping
Does this imbue me with special power? Will I be able to breathe so hard I float in the sky?
Because it’s a major export and cash crop with significant cultural value. Banning it would go like banning alcohol did
I like how you brought up culture because tobacco used to be used almost exclusively for ceremonial/spiritual purposes and now people are basically pissing all over that by using it the way they do.
Sarcasm nice
That's a really abnormal reaction. You sure everything is alright?
Am I going to die? Please say yes 🥲
Do you want to talk about it?
That's sweet of you to offer but no, thank you.
@Fudoshin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kowUpdwOVHI
It is smoking. You are intaking all this shit into your lungs. Not on fire, but same thing. Get real people.
Combustion creates lots of nasty chemicals. Sure vaping has nasty chemicals sometimes too, but if it is properly regulated and studied, it appears to be a great method of harm reduction. Granted, we should take steps to ensure children aren't tantalized by them as best we can, but let's not shit on harm reduction.
You are kidding yourself.
I think perhaps you should look into this more.
https://ash.org.uk/health-inequalities/vaping-and-tobacco-harm-reduction
As someone in recovery, I have years of understanding what it is to justify my addictions. For example, you can choose to have a beer vs hard liquor. In the end, it is a choice between yourself and what is in front of you.
Then you should know about methadone and other harm reduction measures intended to help wean people from their addiction or make them safer while they are still under its grip. This is the same idea.
I appreciate the sentiment, but this is less beer versus liquor and more a lethal dose of rat poison vs corn syrup. Both bad, but one a fair but more damaging than the other. (simplifying a lot & not the greatest metaphor, but you get it)
Good luck with sobriety! o7