"Oh yeah? You don't like genocide? Well you don't get your cap and gown ceremony. So there."
That'll show 'em.
I wish mine had been cancelled lol, what a pain in the ass
You know you can just take the diploma and not show up? My college wanted like $200 for the official cap and gown. I said fuck that and moved out graduation weekend.
They mail out the real diploma anyway.
"Oh well you didn't get that memory!" Of what? Being fleeced by the corporation that just fleeced me for four years, so I can be hot for 3 hours sitting nowhere near anyone I've met before? No thanks, I went to dinner with my GF (now wife) and had more fun than anyone who went.
Yeah I know but my family guilted me into it lol
I work for a university and am glad that it’s public because this nonsense doesn’t happen. We’re beholden to the public rather than to donors.
The moment they canceled the Valedictorian speech, I would have simply failed to show up to the commencement. And I would have done my best to surprise USC of it. And I'd have organized or at least hoped other people would do the same thing.
Why is everyone afraid of college students protesting? I mean this police state response goes back to before Kent State and Tianemen square no doubt.
Well if it’s frightening- keep it up! There must be some form of agency there
I don’t think it’s the protesting, but rather the target of the protests. For some reason Israel seems to be held in higher regard than any American interest. We can protest and shit talk our own terrible politicians all day long and nobody really bats an eye. But ask that we stop murdering innocent brown children in Gaza? Threaten economic consequences for Israel if they don’t stop the murder? For some reason that is a grave offense worthy of trampling on our first amendment rights.
Think about how wild that is - speaking out against the atrocities a foreign government is committing is worthy of taking away your freedom in the US.
The joy of a country run by religious loons that believe Israel will kickstart the Second Coming for them.
Remember, everyone: they want Israel to start a serious war in the Middle East. Because that’s the first step in all the Jews dying and those old rich white Christians being raptured up to heaven.
If anything, the only reason they don’t want it to start now is because they haven’t convinced all the Jews to go back to Israel yet.
I think it is just as simple as "oh no the youths" reminder when Reagan was governor of California he cracked down on a small protest over some benign shit, it wasnt even violent until Reagan stepped in the students and administrators were in talks about the whole situation.
Old people have a suicide death grip on this country and they would rather die and be buried under the rubble of their own hubris than let the people that have an actual stake in the future change anything.
Historically, it seems like they can inspire a whole nation especially if demonstrators get hurt or get killed by the police or military
Eventually every mishandled conflict becomes about the response to the conflict instead of the issue that started it. I still remember the end of OWS when no one was talking about the bailouts anymore instead talking about the difference between camping and protesting I also remember the daily reminders that some anti-war protestor in 2003 threw acid at a cop.
People have the right to make their voice heard. Governments should understand that, establish areas where they can make it heard, and do nothing to make it turn violent. Likewise protestors should make sure that they focus on the issue they care about an expel ones that start shit.
some anti-war protestor in 2003
It's weird how now the protests are labeled "pro-Palestinian" instead of "anti-war" as they always have before. In 2003 people were anti-war, not pro-Iraqi. In the '60s people were anti-war, not pro-South-Vietnamese. Some propaganda outlets are even calling today's anti-war protesters "pro-Hamas".
My guess would be because we aren't at war. It could equally just be because the media has an agenda that is furthered by that, or both of these. Anyone saying pro-Hamas shouldn't be trusted at all though.
Hmm didn't notice that before.
Disruption is an essential part of protest, otherwise it can just be entirely ignored. It's meant to force results. If there's enough support for it, it grows as the government cracks down on it (like BLM did in 2020) and becomes a conflict of attrition. If there isn't, then the protesters get punished and the people celebrate it (like the truckers protesting covid restrictions in Canada).
If your protest inconveniences nobody, it'll also result in no change.
They aren't.
They are afraid of being labeled anti-semitic. That is what is driving this. Allowing the protests to exist gets the uni/president labeled anti-semitic, and that is unacceptable for the universities. The universities are then asking the police to break them up by force, because violent against students is more acceptable than being labeled anti-Semitic.
I remember them going after us for protesting the Iraq war.
This is why freedom of speech is important and why it's important to argue specifics instead of generalities.
It's easy to say something is "antisemitic" and get an emotional response from useful idiots. It's a lot harder to explain why something is antisemitic and get the same response if it's not actually antisemitic.
Why is everyone afraid of college students protesting?
Its not fear, its a show of force. This is an opportunity to unleash pent up rage and inflict callous brutality on a group of people that mass media have flogged and hated on for decades. College students are poor, weak, and exceptionally vulnerable. Teachers are poor and overworked and increasingly precarious in their employment. College campuses are hotbeds of Marxism according to your average Boomer or news hour talking head.
So this is where municipal and state officials can drop the hammer unimpeded. This is where they can really indulge in their fascist impulses. This is where they know nobody will try and stop them.
I mean this police state response goes back to before Kent State and Tianemen square no doubt.
If Tienanmen Square happened in DC today, the guy standing in front of the tank would be labeled at Tankie by the NYT Op-Ed section.
College students are easily subjugated.
The kids are alright.
i wonder how long it will be before we learn of the clandestine operations our institutions took to undermine these protests, this time around.
I feel like this is having a bit of a Streisand effect.
Watching the American democracy go down and the Palestinian people with it. So many young people losing hope and the alt right will elect a man even more opposed to the Palestinian cause than the current government of the United States. What a time so be alive.
Freedom isn't free.
This generation needs to learn to fight.
Because as their elders we failed. Freedom can be bloodlessly maintained but not bloodlessly regained
Maybe it's our turn to storm the capitol (peacefully) and establish actual fucking democracy (peacefully).
Unfortunately, revolutions don't happen in a peaceful way. The ones in charge of this country would not simply give that power up without a fight. They won't even let college students protest US support of Israel, peacefully.
I'd legit settle for us no longer being useful idiots in our social circles.
i.e. being proud to pay for things we can get for free while complaining we don't have enough money.
This time they'd actually bring out the machine guns.
the alt right will elect a man even more opposed to the Palestinian cause than the current government of the United States
It always gets me when we've got a government in which both parties rubber stamp another $4B genocide re-armerment bill, and you've still got some chucklefucks logging on to say "We need to support Biden if we want to help Palestinians".
Like, fucking fine. He's marginally better on Net Neutrality and maternity leave and green energy and student debt relief.
But maybe lets not drag 40,000 Palestinian corpses into the room and say "They want you to vote for Joe Biden, too".
I don't want to vote for anyone, because I am not a US citizen, but if I were, yes, I would say vote for Biden regardless. Why? Because even as a non US citizen I know enough about Project 2025 and this is not the future I want to see for this world. One good thing about Biden is that he will leave office when he loses. Last time Trump lost you nearly got a coup d'etat. But yeah, my comment wasn't exactly about Biden vs Trump but more about the hopelessness of the current situation where it seems to get worse irrelevant of the direction you go.
ah... the Land of the Free
Protests are important, but I also encourage and hope that young people who care about the world become lawyers and politicians
Protests like these are often what politicians' lives are built on. These students will be seen on the right side of history, and to have the conviction to be jailed for it? That would get my vote.
Most importantly, I hope they don't sell out and become shameless capitalists like all the fucking hippies did.
Nah not all the hippies did that, we just don’t hear about them because it’s not them in power. But some of them are!
The hippies were a tiny minority. They were called the counter culture for that reason. They never had a chance to make an effective larger change, because there just weren't enough of them
Even as few as they were was enough to be a major factor in the creation of neo-conservativism in retaliation.
Or mindless capitalism.
Also because their lifestyle wasn't conducive to a long life...
My parents are in their 70s and 80s, as are their friends. The ones that overdid it with the drugs may have shortened their lifespan, but there were/are plenty of earthy/crunchy hippies that never even did more than smell weed. My mom and her friends were/are some of them
do you know lawyers and politicians? I've known a lot in my professional career.
They do not care about anyone but themselves.
Some lawyers in particular do, but they aren't the ones making tons of money.
Most politicians also care, but most are local.
If student unions can organize with worker unions for protests/strikes that seems like a possible way we'll get enough momentum going to think about a general strike for some long overdue reforms
If student unions can organize with worker unions
Christ, can you even imagine what the police would do in the middle of a strike wave?
Battle of Blair Mountain eat your fucking heart out.
I thought we'd have mass uprisings when we saw all the videos of police over-reach / violence in 2020. That it didn't happen then sort of quelled my expectation that it could ever happen, but who knows? This conflict is sustained in a way that has really touched a nerve with young people.
There were massive protests. We just haven't finished the job of restructuring police in America. Once that happens the history books will acknowledge how far and wide protests were. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests
Are there any records of universities cancelling graduations ceremonies and/or arresting students for their support of Israel and/or Zionism?
Maybe in Iran.
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Can someone explain for the unread what they are doing that caused someone to "break it up?"
I understand PROTESTING but were there justifying instances of damage, looting, violence?
Please, if you're just as uninformed as me don't comment. There's enough people just shouting shit these days.
Most of them in this article, all but one, were arrested for trespassing. The one was arrested for suspected assault with a deadly weapon.
As has been the practice with these protests. The campuses have suspended the protesting students, which allows them to be trespassed.
The reason is they are protesting for the “wrong” side in the eyes of the media machine.
As lethargic as I have become to the world and all the bullshit. For some reason this is the last straw for me. If people can’t see how the media works to sway us in certain ways and will just gas light us then I don’t know what to say, but I will be becoming more radical from this point on.
Wow. Ok, that's despicable. Suspended for what? I hope some pro bono lawyers ACLU will start hitting these colleges in the pocketbook.
It's all they understand.
Suspended for having an unpopular (with the establishment) opinion. It's funny how young people across the country are against genocide. It's almost as though the older generations are completely out of touch. Kind of like with the USA war of aggression in East Asia (Vietnam) protests back in the day.
The olds have been indoctrinated to think Israel can do no wrong. They are steadfast against finding out that they were themselves wrong.
I know several Jewish people who told me that they're going to vote for Trump and the Republicans because they're the only ones supporting them.
I know several who said they wont
I know several Jewish people who voted for Trump in 2016. People are willing to do all kinds of terrible, short-sighted things for flimsy justifications.
The really funny part is, it's not like Biden or the Democrats have even been supporting the protests (outside of a small handful like The Squad and Bernie, the latter of whom isn't even really a Democrat).
So the Jewish people you know are stupid enough to shoot their own feet?
No, the Jewish people I know are terrified of the growing anti-Semitism within the left
Well now you know a Jewish person who isn't terrified of that at all. Hello.
At first, I thought this might be the University of South Carolina, and I was impressed as hell. For Southern California, though, I’m surprised that protesting isn't a graduation requirement.
Edit: Do people think I’m insulting student protesters? I’m not. They’re important, and it’s okay to make fun of friends.
Hey, you may not have noticed, but your bias is showing.
Please see edit above.
Probably should be protesting the terrorist organization of Hamas and not supporting them...
They are a cancer that needs to be removed in order for everyone to live in peace.
They are not supporting hamas. The US government is supporting the terrorist organization of the IDF. This is why they are protesting you dunce.
What organizations are supporting Hamas? I have yet to see anything of that sort.
Anything anti-Israel is antisemitic pro-Hamas, didn't you get the memo?
Lemmy.ml?
Hamas isn't making mass graves of women and children at hospitals.
Protesters: Stop killing children!
You: wow I can't believe you support terrorism
The protests are not in support of Hamas. They are protesting against a continuing genocide taking place with the support of their own government. I, personally, believe that genocide is bad, no matter who commits it.
believe that genocide is bad,
Controversial stance
Does ignorance really bring bliss?
Until it brings a boot on their neck
So I'm sure you agree that anyone who has funded them in the past should also face charges?
Might want to do a little research on Benjamin Netanyahu...
You're trying to cure cancer with a machete.
If that worked it would still cost a million dollars for the machete and my insurance could only cover the first 96 cents.....after I yelled at them on the phone for three hours
You're not that stupid. You can't be that stupid.
Attack ideas not people.
Either they're really harmfully stupid, or they're an unethical bad-faith/lying asshole. Pick one.
No.
I agree. As one of the seemingly few here. Crazy how biased Lemmy is on some topics.
Ya, Lemmy is so biased against genocide and the mass murder of women and children. It's weird.
Ah yes now it is mass murder, let's just redefine words however we want.
What do you call 34,000 dead, 2/3rds of which are women and children? And mass graves of 400 of women, the elderly, and wounded at hospital sites? What's the difference between mass murder and that? Or do you just prefer the word genocide? Because that seems worse...
Okay, let's talk about this seriously, thank you for your non-emotional reply.
We go back to the initial cause of this war. I would like to ask you what Israel should have done instead of what they did. Was there an alternative that did not involve striking back?
Im no international relations expert, I just know genocide is bad. But, if I were forced into the position, I'd probably suggest striking back proportionally, then make a deal to return hostages. This would probably involve negotiating for a two state, or even better a one state, solution. Negotiate with PLO to legitimize them, take the wind out of Hamas recruitment by giving the Palestinians full rights and sovereignty. Get international agencies in, and not just biased ones like the US and Germany, to help negotiate this so everyone gets heard. Basically, do something akin to dealing with what South Africa did, or how LBJ would negotiate with MLK to avoid dealing with the more militant black movements, or how they dealt with the IRA (negotiations, not violence).
But that is what they did? Strike back and the whole time try to get the hostage back. All they needed to do was give the hostage back to get a cease fire, but they didn't. It same way there is no way to have peace with Putin, he simply does not want it. We can not negotiate with someone who declines or makes absurd demands.
Palestine did not get a "jail" because everyone around wanted to be mean to them. It got that way because of what the kept doing over and over. They have to change first before the others can open up again. Their terror attack only proved they are neither changing nor willing to change. So suggesting that is the way forward is really odd given what those around had to endure in the last decades. Like giving sweets to a toddler that is throwing a tantrum, that is not how it works.
Stop lying, you slimy genocidal maniac.
Play somewhere else, we are in a discussion.
Sorry, had a busy weekend lol. Anyway, where were we?
I'm talking about proportional strike back. Israel has gone way beyond that, to the point that the north of Gaza isn't even livable in anymore. They've killed tens of thousands of civilians, numerous hospitals, refugee camps, cultural centers, etc. There's no infrastructure, no water, no power. People are starving to death and dying of thirst. It's complete annihilation.
Of course Hamas isn't going to give the hostages back for a simple, temporary ceasefire. It's their only leverage. It just leads to the same situation they were in before of slowly losing land and rights. They are not asking for absurd demands. They're asking for their rights and land back. The countless protests by families of the hostages proves Bibi doesn't care about them at all. They're a good excuse to keep killing Palestinians, but that's it. If anything, it's just causing the deaths of more hostages.
And your last paragraph suggests a very strange reading of history. Palestine has been defending themselves from settler colonialism and Israeli terrorist groups since before Israel was a country. Peaceful resistance hasn't helped at all. The March for Return just got them a bunch of dead people, maiming, and blown off kneecaps. They've been asking for help from the international community for 70 years and Israel refuses to let them return to their homes or form any sort of state.
They've been slowly losing due to Western propping up of this colonialist project. But people aren't going to just lay down and let themselves lose everything their ancestors have worked for for generations. Of course they're going to fight. They're not throwing a temper tantrum, they're trying to prevent themselves from going as extinct as the Native American, Australian aboriginal, or indigenous Canadians. Seeing that is just being realistic. You would do the same thing in their situation. So, if they want an actual solution, they can either complete their genocidal project, or try to negotiate for peace by sharing power and living space. Everyone who has a heart doesn't want option #1.
Hamas is not asking for absurd demands? Until recently it was even in their constitution that they want to destroy Israel. They can not live with Israel, there is no way for them to accept that. They only know a holy flight. They teach their children to only know hate. That is why they invest everything into weapons, instead of building Palestine, they do not even have fresh water everywhere. Instead, they dig out UN water pipes to build more rockets. And they even use footage of that as propaganda, thinking that they look great doing that. It is a massive tragedy.
I mean yes, obviously Hamas is bad. I just mean in this very specific case, they've been asking for things like a permanent ceasefire, Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, freedom of movement for Palestinians in Northern Gaza where they lived, and release of Palestinian hostages (who are often held without charge, and they've often asked for captured women and children, too, not just male Hamas fighters). Those things aren't absurd.
Yes, that is the point where Israel is doing bad stuff. No question, neither side is innocent here. Let's see what happens when Hamas is wiped out. Perhaps with those cancerous radicals removed can Palestine finally flourish and not only focus on terrorism. I hope both sides will see this as a chance for a better future instead of more hatred.
"Oh yeah? You don't like genocide? Well you don't get your cap and gown ceremony. So there."
That'll show 'em.
I wish mine had been cancelled lol, what a pain in the ass
You know you can just take the diploma and not show up? My college wanted like $200 for the official cap and gown. I said fuck that and moved out graduation weekend.
They mail out the real diploma anyway.
"Oh well you didn't get that memory!" Of what? Being fleeced by the corporation that just fleeced me for four years, so I can be hot for 3 hours sitting nowhere near anyone I've met before? No thanks, I went to dinner with my GF (now wife) and had more fun than anyone who went.
Yeah I know but my family guilted me into it lol
I work for a university and am glad that it’s public because this nonsense doesn’t happen. We’re beholden to the public rather than to donors.
The moment they canceled the Valedictorian speech, I would have simply failed to show up to the commencement. And I would have done my best to surprise USC of it. And I'd have organized or at least hoped other people would do the same thing.
Meh graduation ceremonies are cringe anyway.
Why is everyone afraid of college students protesting? I mean this police state response goes back to before Kent State and Tianemen square no doubt.
Well if it’s frightening- keep it up! There must be some form of agency there
I don’t think it’s the protesting, but rather the target of the protests. For some reason Israel seems to be held in higher regard than any American interest. We can protest and shit talk our own terrible politicians all day long and nobody really bats an eye. But ask that we stop murdering innocent brown children in Gaza? Threaten economic consequences for Israel if they don’t stop the murder? For some reason that is a grave offense worthy of trampling on our first amendment rights.
Think about how wild that is - speaking out against the atrocities a foreign government is committing is worthy of taking away your freedom in the US.
The joy of a country run by religious loons that believe Israel will kickstart the Second Coming for them.
Remember, everyone: they want Israel to start a serious war in the Middle East. Because that’s the first step in all the Jews dying and those old rich white Christians being raptured up to heaven.
If anything, the only reason they don’t want it to start now is because they haven’t convinced all the Jews to go back to Israel yet.
I think it is just as simple as "oh no the youths" reminder when Reagan was governor of California he cracked down on a small protest over some benign shit, it wasnt even violent until Reagan stepped in the students and administrators were in talks about the whole situation.
Old people have a suicide death grip on this country and they would rather die and be buried under the rubble of their own hubris than let the people that have an actual stake in the future change anything.
Historically, it seems like they can inspire a whole nation especially if demonstrators get hurt or get killed by the police or military
Eventually every mishandled conflict becomes about the response to the conflict instead of the issue that started it. I still remember the end of OWS when no one was talking about the bailouts anymore instead talking about the difference between camping and protesting I also remember the daily reminders that some anti-war protestor in 2003 threw acid at a cop.
People have the right to make their voice heard. Governments should understand that, establish areas where they can make it heard, and do nothing to make it turn violent. Likewise protestors should make sure that they focus on the issue they care about an expel ones that start shit.
It's weird how now the protests are labeled "pro-Palestinian" instead of "anti-war" as they always have before. In 2003 people were anti-war, not pro-Iraqi. In the '60s people were anti-war, not pro-South-Vietnamese. Some propaganda outlets are even calling today's anti-war protesters "pro-Hamas".
My guess would be because we aren't at war. It could equally just be because the media has an agenda that is furthered by that, or both of these. Anyone saying pro-Hamas shouldn't be trusted at all though.
Hmm didn't notice that before.
Disruption is an essential part of protest, otherwise it can just be entirely ignored. It's meant to force results. If there's enough support for it, it grows as the government cracks down on it (like BLM did in 2020) and becomes a conflict of attrition. If there isn't, then the protesters get punished and the people celebrate it (like the truckers protesting covid restrictions in Canada).
If your protest inconveniences nobody, it'll also result in no change.
They aren't.
They are afraid of being labeled anti-semitic. That is what is driving this. Allowing the protests to exist gets the uni/president labeled anti-semitic, and that is unacceptable for the universities. The universities are then asking the police to break them up by force, because violent against students is more acceptable than being labeled anti-Semitic.
I remember them going after us for protesting the Iraq war.
This is why freedom of speech is important and why it's important to argue specifics instead of generalities.
It's easy to say something is "antisemitic" and get an emotional response from useful idiots. It's a lot harder to explain why something is antisemitic and get the same response if it's not actually antisemitic.
Its not fear, its a show of force. This is an opportunity to unleash pent up rage and inflict callous brutality on a group of people that mass media have flogged and hated on for decades. College students are poor, weak, and exceptionally vulnerable. Teachers are poor and overworked and increasingly precarious in their employment. College campuses are hotbeds of Marxism according to your average Boomer or news hour talking head.
So this is where municipal and state officials can drop the hammer unimpeded. This is where they can really indulge in their fascist impulses. This is where they know nobody will try and stop them.
If Tienanmen Square happened in DC today, the guy standing in front of the tank would be labeled at Tankie by the NYT Op-Ed section.
College students are easily subjugated.
The kids are alright.
i wonder how long it will be before we learn of the clandestine operations our institutions took to undermine these protests, this time around.
I feel like this is having a bit of a Streisand effect.
Watching the American democracy go down and the Palestinian people with it. So many young people losing hope and the alt right will elect a man even more opposed to the Palestinian cause than the current government of the United States. What a time so be alive.
Freedom isn't free.
This generation needs to learn to fight.
Because as their elders we failed. Freedom can be bloodlessly maintained but not bloodlessly regained
Maybe it's our turn to storm the capitol (peacefully) and establish actual fucking democracy (peacefully).
Unfortunately, revolutions don't happen in a peaceful way. The ones in charge of this country would not simply give that power up without a fight. They won't even let college students protest US support of Israel, peacefully.
I'd legit settle for us no longer being useful idiots in our social circles.
i.e. being proud to pay for things we can get for free while complaining we don't have enough money.
This time they'd actually bring out the machine guns.
It always gets me when we've got a government in which both parties rubber stamp another $4B genocide re-armerment bill, and you've still got some chucklefucks logging on to say "We need to support Biden if we want to help Palestinians".
Like, fucking fine. He's marginally better on Net Neutrality and maternity leave and green energy and student debt relief.
But maybe lets not drag 40,000 Palestinian corpses into the room and say "They want you to vote for Joe Biden, too".
I don't want to vote for anyone, because I am not a US citizen, but if I were, yes, I would say vote for Biden regardless. Why? Because even as a non US citizen I know enough about Project 2025 and this is not the future I want to see for this world. One good thing about Biden is that he will leave office when he loses. Last time Trump lost you nearly got a coup d'etat. But yeah, my comment wasn't exactly about Biden vs Trump but more about the hopelessness of the current situation where it seems to get worse irrelevant of the direction you go.
ah... the Land of the Free
Protests are important, but I also encourage and hope that young people who care about the world become lawyers and politicians
Protests like these are often what politicians' lives are built on. These students will be seen on the right side of history, and to have the conviction to be jailed for it? That would get my vote.
Most importantly, I hope they don't sell out and become shameless capitalists like all the fucking hippies did.
Nah not all the hippies did that, we just don’t hear about them because it’s not them in power. But some of them are!
The hippies were a tiny minority. They were called the counter culture for that reason. They never had a chance to make an effective larger change, because there just weren't enough of them
Even as few as they were was enough to be a major factor in the creation of neo-conservativism in retaliation.
Or mindless capitalism.
Also because their lifestyle wasn't conducive to a long life...
My parents are in their 70s and 80s, as are their friends. The ones that overdid it with the drugs may have shortened their lifespan, but there were/are plenty of earthy/crunchy hippies that never even did more than smell weed. My mom and her friends were/are some of them
do you know lawyers and politicians? I've known a lot in my professional career.
They do not care about anyone but themselves.
Some lawyers in particular do, but they aren't the ones making tons of money.
Most politicians also care, but most are local.
If student unions can organize with worker unions for protests/strikes that seems like a possible way we'll get enough momentum going to think about a general strike for some long overdue reforms
Christ, can you even imagine what the police would do in the middle of a strike wave?
Battle of Blair Mountain eat your fucking heart out.
I thought we'd have mass uprisings when we saw all the videos of police over-reach / violence in 2020. That it didn't happen then sort of quelled my expectation that it could ever happen, but who knows? This conflict is sustained in a way that has really touched a nerve with young people.
There were massive protests. We just haven't finished the job of restructuring police in America. Once that happens the history books will acknowledge how far and wide protests were. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests
Are there any records of universities cancelling graduations ceremonies and/or arresting students for their support of Israel and/or Zionism?
Maybe in Iran.
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Can someone explain for the unread what they are doing that caused someone to "break it up?"
I understand PROTESTING but were there justifying instances of damage, looting, violence?
Please, if you're just as uninformed as me don't comment. There's enough people just shouting shit these days.
Most of them in this article, all but one, were arrested for trespassing. The one was arrested for suspected assault with a deadly weapon.
As has been the practice with these protests. The campuses have suspended the protesting students, which allows them to be trespassed.
The reason is they are protesting for the “wrong” side in the eyes of the media machine.
As lethargic as I have become to the world and all the bullshit. For some reason this is the last straw for me. If people can’t see how the media works to sway us in certain ways and will just gas light us then I don’t know what to say, but I will be becoming more radical from this point on.
Wow. Ok, that's despicable. Suspended for what? I hope some pro bono lawyers ACLU will start hitting these colleges in the pocketbook.
It's all they understand.
Suspended for having an unpopular (with the establishment) opinion. It's funny how young people across the country are against genocide. It's almost as though the older generations are completely out of touch. Kind of like with the USA war of aggression in East Asia (Vietnam) protests back in the day.
The olds have been indoctrinated to think Israel can do no wrong. They are steadfast against finding out that they were themselves wrong.
I know several Jewish people who told me that they're going to vote for Trump and the Republicans because they're the only ones supporting them.
I know several who said they wont
I know several Jewish people who voted for Trump in 2016. People are willing to do all kinds of terrible, short-sighted things for flimsy justifications.
The really funny part is, it's not like Biden or the Democrats have even been supporting the protests (outside of a small handful like The Squad and Bernie, the latter of whom isn't even really a Democrat).
First they came for the trade unionists.
https://www.hmd.org.uk/resource/first-they-came-by-pastor-martin-niemoller/
You skipped a couple.
Thanks for posting the full thing!
So the Jewish people you know are stupid enough to shoot their own feet?
No, the Jewish people I know are terrified of the growing anti-Semitism within the left
Well now you know a Jewish person who isn't terrified of that at all. Hello.
At first, I thought this might be the University of South Carolina, and I was impressed as hell. For Southern California, though, I’m surprised that protesting isn't a graduation requirement.
Edit: Do people think I’m insulting student protesters? I’m not. They’re important, and it’s okay to make fun of friends.
Hey, you may not have noticed, but your bias is showing.
Please see edit above.
Probably should be protesting the terrorist organization of Hamas and not supporting them...
They are a cancer that needs to be removed in order for everyone to live in peace.
They are not supporting hamas. The US government is supporting the terrorist organization of the IDF. This is why they are protesting you dunce.
What organizations are supporting Hamas? I have yet to see anything of that sort.
Anything anti-Israel is
antisemiticpro-Hamas, didn't you get the memo?Lemmy.ml?
Hamas isn't making mass graves of women and children at hospitals.
Protesters: Stop killing children!
You: wow I can't believe you support terrorism
The protests are not in support of Hamas. They are protesting against a continuing genocide taking place with the support of their own government. I, personally, believe that genocide is bad, no matter who commits it.
Controversial stance
Does ignorance really bring bliss?
Until it brings a boot on their neck
So I'm sure you agree that anyone who has funded them in the past should also face charges?
Might want to do a little research on Benjamin Netanyahu...
You're trying to cure cancer with a machete.
If that worked it would still cost a million dollars for the machete and my insurance could only cover the first 96 cents.....after I yelled at them on the phone for three hours
You're not that stupid. You can't be that stupid.
Attack ideas not people.
Either they're really harmfully stupid, or they're an unethical bad-faith/lying asshole. Pick one.
No.
I agree. As one of the seemingly few here. Crazy how biased Lemmy is on some topics.
Ya, Lemmy is so biased against genocide and the mass murder of women and children. It's weird.
Ah yes now it is mass murder, let's just redefine words however we want.
What do you call 34,000 dead, 2/3rds of which are women and children? And mass graves of 400 of women, the elderly, and wounded at hospital sites? What's the difference between mass murder and that? Or do you just prefer the word genocide? Because that seems worse...
Okay, let's talk about this seriously, thank you for your non-emotional reply.
We go back to the initial cause of this war. I would like to ask you what Israel should have done instead of what they did. Was there an alternative that did not involve striking back?
Im no international relations expert, I just know genocide is bad. But, if I were forced into the position, I'd probably suggest striking back proportionally, then make a deal to return hostages. This would probably involve negotiating for a two state, or even better a one state, solution. Negotiate with PLO to legitimize them, take the wind out of Hamas recruitment by giving the Palestinians full rights and sovereignty. Get international agencies in, and not just biased ones like the US and Germany, to help negotiate this so everyone gets heard. Basically, do something akin to dealing with what South Africa did, or how LBJ would negotiate with MLK to avoid dealing with the more militant black movements, or how they dealt with the IRA (negotiations, not violence).
But that is what they did? Strike back and the whole time try to get the hostage back. All they needed to do was give the hostage back to get a cease fire, but they didn't. It same way there is no way to have peace with Putin, he simply does not want it. We can not negotiate with someone who declines or makes absurd demands.
Palestine did not get a "jail" because everyone around wanted to be mean to them. It got that way because of what the kept doing over and over. They have to change first before the others can open up again. Their terror attack only proved they are neither changing nor willing to change. So suggesting that is the way forward is really odd given what those around had to endure in the last decades. Like giving sweets to a toddler that is throwing a tantrum, that is not how it works.
Stop lying, you slimy genocidal maniac.
Play somewhere else, we are in a discussion.
Sorry, had a busy weekend lol. Anyway, where were we?
I'm talking about proportional strike back. Israel has gone way beyond that, to the point that the north of Gaza isn't even livable in anymore. They've killed tens of thousands of civilians, numerous hospitals, refugee camps, cultural centers, etc. There's no infrastructure, no water, no power. People are starving to death and dying of thirst. It's complete annihilation.
Of course Hamas isn't going to give the hostages back for a simple, temporary ceasefire. It's their only leverage. It just leads to the same situation they were in before of slowly losing land and rights. They are not asking for absurd demands. They're asking for their rights and land back. The countless protests by families of the hostages proves Bibi doesn't care about them at all. They're a good excuse to keep killing Palestinians, but that's it. If anything, it's just causing the deaths of more hostages.
And your last paragraph suggests a very strange reading of history. Palestine has been defending themselves from settler colonialism and Israeli terrorist groups since before Israel was a country. Peaceful resistance hasn't helped at all. The March for Return just got them a bunch of dead people, maiming, and blown off kneecaps. They've been asking for help from the international community for 70 years and Israel refuses to let them return to their homes or form any sort of state.
They've been slowly losing due to Western propping up of this colonialist project. But people aren't going to just lay down and let themselves lose everything their ancestors have worked for for generations. Of course they're going to fight. They're not throwing a temper tantrum, they're trying to prevent themselves from going as extinct as the Native American, Australian aboriginal, or indigenous Canadians. Seeing that is just being realistic. You would do the same thing in their situation. So, if they want an actual solution, they can either complete their genocidal project, or try to negotiate for peace by sharing power and living space. Everyone who has a heart doesn't want option #1.
Hamas is not asking for absurd demands? Until recently it was even in their constitution that they want to destroy Israel. They can not live with Israel, there is no way for them to accept that. They only know a holy flight. They teach their children to only know hate. That is why they invest everything into weapons, instead of building Palestine, they do not even have fresh water everywhere. Instead, they dig out UN water pipes to build more rockets. And they even use footage of that as propaganda, thinking that they look great doing that. It is a massive tragedy.
I mean yes, obviously Hamas is bad. I just mean in this very specific case, they've been asking for things like a permanent ceasefire, Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, freedom of movement for Palestinians in Northern Gaza where they lived, and release of Palestinian hostages (who are often held without charge, and they've often asked for captured women and children, too, not just male Hamas fighters). Those things aren't absurd.
Yes, that is the point where Israel is doing bad stuff. No question, neither side is innocent here. Let's see what happens when Hamas is wiped out. Perhaps with those cancerous radicals removed can Palestine finally flourish and not only focus on terrorism. I hope both sides will see this as a chance for a better future instead of more hatred.