The more they censor, bigger it gets

chk232@lemmy.world to Lemmy Shitpost@lemmy.world – 1909 points –
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Just found this for viewing place without Reddit:

https://2023.place-atlas.stefanocoding.me/

This is a cooperation between France, Costa Rica, Venezuela, Germany, LGBTQ, Trans community, India, and more.

!brandnewsentence@lemmy.world

France
Costa Rica
Venezuela
Germany
LGBTQ
Trans community
India

The real G7

Why is the trans community listed separately from LGBTQ? Isn't the T literally for transgender?

Yeah it sure does. Probably just because trans people specifically have been having a shit time lately with all the assholes.

So it’s nice to call them out specifically in a positive way. That’s my assumption at least.

holy crap they really added a description for everything

Yea this is pretty cool. I can finally identify stuff I’ve seen on there before but could never figure it out.

The "Fuck Spez" is much smaller when you view the whole thing :(

They have expanded the canvas several times. As far as I remember more quickly and frequently than they did before.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if they did that to achieve this very effect, way more space so protest art isn't so prominent.

3 more...

I really appreciate these posts; this way I don't need to actually go to Reddit to see what it's looking like.

Exactly what I was thinking every time I saw one of these.

If you guys really wanted to let Spez know how mad you are you would STOP GOING TO REDDIT... Every time "fuck spez" shows up on this page it just means a bunch of people got on Reddit and boosted their numbers which makes them look more valuable to investors for the IPO.

Do I really need to remind you that Spez or anyone else who works for Reddit COULD TAKE THIS DOWN AT LITERALLY ANYTIME THEY FEEL LIKE IT?

Every time you go there and write "fuck spez" I'm sure he goes to sleep crying into the giant pile of money he sleeps on

I'll say it once more, if you want Spez to pay DO NOT GO ON REDDIT EVEN TO TELL HIM WHAT A FUCKING ASSHOLE HE IS, THAT IS LITERALLY EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTS YOU TO DO

This doesn't make alot of sense to me. Doubt all that was created by Lemmy users that logged in to reddit-that's simply Reddit users? Can't be good for Reddit that this is going on such a large scale. And if nothing else .... Great amusement lol

It only takes a few dedicated people with bots, but it does probably benefit their metrics.

Trying to convert those metrics into revenue is what started this whole thing in the first place. If they were so effective at turning any engagement to their advantage, we'd still all be engaging there via whatever third party app we were using before they got disabled.

Have you tried to actually go to r/place? You can't even view the page on your phone unless you're using their garbage official app. It's definitely meant to try and increase app engagement

Streisand effect. They keep deleting it. More people will help. Similarly, you telling people not to go on reddit, will make people go on reddit.

This is not Streisand effect, because the censoring happens on reddit. Anyone on that platform is already there.

Streisand Effect really only applies if they were making their own submissions about it. Replying to this one doesn't really make the cut IMO!

I need to test that theory for science. Do NOT send me $20.

At this point it is big enough to gather the interest of the media whether it stays up or gets wiped, and investors watch the media like hawks.

See I think you have it twisted. We need a good mix of both.

If site traffic plummets thats bad for Spez, if place is a giant "fuck spez" banner and it gets reported on by tech news and legitimate financial news its also bad for spez.

If investors look at the blackout and the desperate scrambling for volunteers to mod subs, and a traffic decline AND the fact that the administration cant seem to do anything about some members turning place into a monkey shit fight at the zoo... Some of them might just realise that Reddit is a very risky investment.

I still say if this wasn't exactly what the corporate management of Reddit wanted, then it would have been taken down by now though.

Why else would it exist? They've already proven that they won't hesitate to censor/destroy anything that's not in line with their plans for the IPO, so it doesn't make sense that this one thing would be beyond their control in any way whatsoever.

Sorry, lad... folks really love the circlejerk and can't/won't stop doing it until it dies down. It's kind of like "talking to a wall" at this rate.

I'm not giving them any traffic, thanks

all my traffic goes into fuck spez works

Fuck spez is a meaningless message. Join-Lemmy.org however... 😎

Here's the thing. Most people into the federated alternatives aren't really going to the old place any more. I mean I'll admit I've been taking a look at r/place every now and then. But otherwise I'm not engaging with my usual haunts there. That's why there's not so many people to make a big impact on the canvas for any of the federated projects.

However there are still a lot of people still active that are unhappy with spez and his activities. Which explains why that message has a lot more traction there.

Whats this new r/place everyone is talking of ?

From time to time reddit does a community project, where you have a canvas of 1000x1000 px and every user can set the color of a single pixel with a cooldown period of 5 minutes.
I believe it had the origin in a legend that some guy in the old web sold ad space on a 1000x1000 px canvas for 1$ per pixel and got rich with it.

The million dollar homepage. Man that was a while ago.

I like how u/spez ist ein hurensöhn was still there last time I check

Spez is a Whoreson? I know literally 0 German but I'm confident that's what that says

The phrase "Sprich deutsch, du Hurensohn" ("Speak german, you son of a whore") has evolved from an insult to somewhat of an insider meme in german subreddits. It was an answer to english comments flooding german subreddits and making communication difficult.

And now we basically can call anyone a Hurensohn and it now counts as transformative art lol

The translation that everyone knows which came from Google translate is spez is a son of a bitch, but I think whoreson might be more correct

I feel dumb because I stopped going on reddit a month ago so I have no idea how the dumpster fires smoldering...

I mean as the image obviously suggests, the community hasn't forgotten all the previous actions of reddit (on command of u/spez)

they should change it to fuck reddit because when spez gets fired, they will think the battle is won, which will lose them the battle

At this late stage, I think everyone ends up losing this one no matter what happens

Ok but... Why the are people criticizing the reddit CEO on reddit and thereby USING REDDIT? There is no need to spread that he's shit anymore at this point for everyone to see. Everyone knows by now. If people don't approve of his ways, they need to boycott his platform. But if they keep participating on r/place, they are literally supporting him by using his platform?!

This is not a hot take, people are aware of the dissonance of using Reddit to complain about Reddit. But many folks are still upset but not upset enough to leave, or would like to leave but aren’t ready for places like Lemmy yet. It still needs work and polish before the average Joe will be comfortable here.

So in the meantime I say go for it, having fuck spez be one of the main focal points of the whole canvas is incredible and sends a message. Yea most folks have heard about it by now but might be surprised users are still upset, or never really understood what the big deal was before but maybe they look into it now. Every bit of negative sentiment on Reddit about Reddit will slowly push users away. This is more than a bit of negative sentiment.

Thank you, now it actually makes more sense to me!

I’d also like to add that this might be good publicity (or negative for Reddit). r/place gets mentioned in the news too.

There are still people OOTL on reddit, and there are also people who have no clue who u/spez is. Until people start calling out Steve Huffman by name for being a greedy pig boy, it won't have much mainstream effect. A significant chunk of reddit's userbase is relatively young (last 5 years or so) and have very little in the way of context.

Yeah, we need to make it more similar to Reddit with things like flairs and a more intuitive browsing system

Roughly speaking, there are three different ways people handle when something they enjoy is changed in a way they don't enjoy.

The first simply cut their losses and move on, abandoning the thing. Nothing wrong with that. Things change and it's okay to move on to something else. Companies that are causing harm to their user base should suffer the consequences of their decisions. Do this too much, though, and you may find you abandon your loves too easily.

The second just accept and bear it. Arguably nothing wrong with that as long as you still enjoy it. Just be careful that apathy is not taken for permission for further change.

The third will attempt to fight back in an attempt to preserve it. These are the type who still use Reddit even though they know it's broken. They do not abandon it because to do so is to lose it entirely. They are trying to work within the system to change the system. Nothing wrong with that either, as long as you know when the battle is lost. They obviously don't believe it has been lost yet.

Can't talk for everyone, but for the case of rplace, I'd say propaganda.

I know of people who still use reddit as they always do, and its likely because they don't know reddit's latest (and terrible) corporate decisions, so using rplace to spread a message that tells people something is wrong with reddit is the first step for these people to find the right path: leaving reddit.

Sabotaging the quality of reddit also hurts spez. Advertisers have been pulling out, ipo valuation is going down. If the super users make it a place people don't want to go, they will stop going, and it will get worse. If they make life hard for the mods, some of them will say "fuck it." And stop being mods because they will realize it's not worth it.

It's not just about raising awareness

You are right, I haven't thought about it that way

Hey, what better way to convey how people feel about Spez than to collaborate in such large numbers on his own platform to draw it out pixel for pixel...

r/place isn't gonna last much longer either, I wouldn't be surprised if many of the people that collaborated on the Fuck Spez messages end up ditching Reddit more or less altogether after r/place is over.

Honestly I can't wait to see the final time lapse.

Continuing to rebel against the site by using the hell out of the site and driving its numbers up, I see. Have fun with that.

I am curious about this IPO, because I want to see what a clownshow their cash flow statement is likely to be.

The move should be amping it up as much as possible before the IPO and than crashing it when a high IPO is set. Fucking over anyone who could believe they could wrench out some cash from it.

Regardless of whether you're Mexican, Italian, German, Indian, Costa Rican, French, Venezulean, LGBTQ, a brony or whatever other flags are here, we can all agree on one thing

Fuck Spez

Will lemmy ever get it's own /place?

It's admittedly not a very difficult project, it was done pretty quick for an April Fools event in 2017. Honestly it could be a good coding challenge because the basics themselves are easy, it's just how you build it at scale. So you just need someone to make a new Lemmy community, a new website, and have a lot of people get hyped about it so that it becomes the 'one' for Lemmy. Ludwig hired one dude to write a clone for his stream, so there just has to be someone who has the time, energy, and care to make one for this community.

The issue is mainly that everyone will have different clients, so it may not be properly supported. It would be very simple to have someone login to a custom website that would allow you to place your square, but it wouldn't be seamless like reddit's implementation is.

Probably not, but there are already open source projects that allow people to host their r/place lookalikes. Some lemmy instance admin could some day decide to host one of those, but it wouldn't be part of lemmyNet's code.

Probably not but it would be cool. Thought I'd rather like something else instead of lemmy trying to copy that from reddit 1:1

For now, There's rplace.live

I hope so. And I hope Spez doesn't have an account for that matter many accounts.

Probably not but it would be cool. Thought I'd rather like something else instead of lemmy trying to copy that from reddit 1:1

For now, There's rplace.live

Very very unlikely. Considering the underlying point of Lemmy is that it is decentralized, the devs would have to add something similar and possibly every instance would have it's own place.

So, uh, reddit added OCR with banned words but allows flags, or what's going on?

Country flags are the most popular thing in r/place, and country subs are big too. They can share a little of their clicks and reddit would think before pissing them off and erasing them. People kinda dislike when you erase the symbol of their country. It can also go into news.

Sadly gone now. Admins won't let this stand. Although the time lapses are hilarious.

Uhhh no? I just checked, it’s in the middle far right, and if you’re looking at the whole things it’s one of the biggest single pieces that jumps out at you.

I’m so proud 🥲

Weird, I totally don't see it. Am I supposed to slide the image around or something?

All the time and energy they're spending moderating this, could have been time better spent improving literally anything. Usability, moderation tools, mobile app.

It has become a competition for who has the biggest bonnet

On a side note, I'm pleased to see that the void demon is looking beautiful as ever. Easily the best actually original idea/artwork to have come out of there.

how did they censor? i saw so much fuck spez that didn't seem to get censored at all.

I still don't understand what r/place is /:

Essentially, there is a massive pixel-divided canvas. It starts out pure-white.

You are allowed to place one single pixel of a certain subset of colors every x minutes (I don't remember how often, somewhere between 5 minutes to an hour).

Your pixel(s) can be overridden by any other user who places their pixel on your space after you place yours.

Some people come together to form collaborative art, messages, etc. (As seen here).

In the past, there have been countries' flags, a giant spreading black void, hidden Among Us beans, and many fandom-specific and subreddit-specific images.

Don't forget to mention paid reddit employees like /u/chtorr can bypass the limit and just place pixels as fast as they want to censor wrong think

Thanks for explaining it. I had a vague idea via context clues it was something like that.

Let's boycott reddit by using reddit. Like they care if you insult spez. As long as they keep using reddit

Mexico get out of there that’s not your family.

Don't really like all the nationalism, or the lgbt flag nestled in there among a bunch of nationalism, but they've got the spirit.

It's because the braindead national flag makers are always the first. Easy to do and idiots are more than willing to do it.

Yeah it's a bit of a shame. There's much more interesting things you can draw.

This didn't happen on the first Place. It only happened in the later ones. Reddit got significantly more nationalistic over time.