I can see the Fox headlines now: "Man dies almost immediately after getting vaccinated"
Another COVID death for the statistics.
Is this what Joe Rogan was talking about when he was talking about sudden vaccine deaths?
Seriously though this is brutal and freaking disgusting. Your misinformation campaign isn't just about money it takes people's lives too.
I feel like blaming this on the covid disinfo might be going too far. If the guy was this unhinged, it was just a matter of time before something triggered him.
I for one support imprisoning all radical fascist right wing conspiracist talk show hosts. They are literally a Clear And Oresent Danger and must have miltary action taken against them.
Why can't we do the same to literally every major organization?
I'd love to see someone talking about legislation that hold any mass media, PR entity, etc legally liable for publishing incorrect information.
Can you imagine if a simple retraction statement buried somewhere wouldn't cut it and the organization's leaders were criminally charged or sued?
All the sudden talking heads would be a huge liability and maybe only facts would be broadcast again?
Probably impossible.
Woukd absolutely demand this, along with abolition of lobbyist donations
I'll be damned they were right. Taking the vaccine can have lethal side effects.
Came here to say the same thing. I better steer clear of Florida.
South Florida is fine, just avoid the rest of the state.
Southern Florida vs '~the~South' Florida
BRB adding this one to VAERS to help more people avoid a deadly vaccine.
weird how so many vaccine conspiracy people just want to kill people.
Funny how mental illness can do that.
Edit - Jfc people. Yes, murdering your father because you're so deep down the conspiracy rabbithole is a very clear sign that you have serious untreated mental illness. Is that really that hard to understand?
And no, it's not a get out jail free card. It's identifying that propaganda preys on the mentally ill for indoctrination, and that a subset of the mentally ill are extraordinarily predisposed to violence as part of their condition.
No, no, just fucking no.
It was not mental illness that killed this man, it was his hateful asshole son.
I fucking hate this rethoric that just leads to more discrimination against people with an actual mental illness.
No, it is a legitimate mental illness.
I will lay a bet that if we were to perform a neuroimaging exam of this man’s brain, we would find a hypertrophic amygdala (which is the physical part of the brain that detects and classifies fear and threat responses) heavily primed to kick off a reaction in the limbic system. It’s a hair trigger over which you don’t have conscious control at that point. I will also guarantee he has a hypotrophied prefrontal cortex, which is the slower to react but more evolutionarily advanced part of the brain that’s supposed to keep all that stuff in check by asking “Is that what’s really happening?” and “What will happen to me if I do this?” There’s also a very solid chance we’d find evidence traumatic brain injury, with is present in 50%+ of persons in jail for violent crime and about 10% in the general population. We could do a blood work up, a DNA test, a psychological history, and so on.
We’re talking about structural, chemical, genetic, and psychological determinants. I don’t know how to classify that other than mental illness requiring treatment. I’m going to use a non-preferred term in its colloquial sense, but if a person is psychotic, you’re not going to punish them back to mental health.
Not everyone with mental illness is violent - almost none are. But people with these conditions are indeed mentally ill - it is a medical, not a moral condition - and until we approach it like that, we’re not going to be able to begin to address it.
I do not believe that we have free will, but I think in extreme cases like this you don’t even need to go that far. You’re no more going to fix a person like this morally than you’re going to cure epilepsy with an exorcism.
So you just used a whole lot of words why this dude might have mental illness after all.
Funny how mental illness can do that.
Do you then also think that this is a totally cool and appropriate statement to make?
I just don't.
Yes, it is my educated opinion that this person, for the reasons I outlined at a pretty high level, has mental illness.
No, I do not think that the other person’s statement was totally cool. I agree with you that it was insensitive and dismissive. I want to make it very clear that I’m not trying to invalidate the reaction that kind of comment inspires.
What I am saying is that we do not do the fields of medicine, mental health, or criminal justice reform any favors if we try to take the stance that mental illness has no role to play in these kinds of incidents.
Look, I’m a researcher. One of my primary areas of research is studying how susceptibility to contagious ideas like these cluster in social networks and how they’re exploited by the viral contagion between individuals as pushed by their peers and mass/social media. I can get all into sigmoid transfer functions from opinions to behavior and how they’re left-shifted by predispositions.
But my main, ethical point is that this is a medical problem, and we need to treat it like one. None of that casts aspersions or makes any assumptions whatsoever about the vast spectrum that constitutes what we broadly and often erroneously term “mental health.” It just means that people need psychological and medical interventions rather than life in prison or the electric chair.
Thank you for making this point. I agree; we must view behavior like this as needing help.
STOP FUCKING USING THAT STUPID FUCKING EXCUSE.
IT IS NOT MENTAL ILLNESS; IT IS STRAIGHT UP FASCIST PROPAGANDA
Read the edit. Tldr: it's both
You're so sickeningly wrong.... Serious mental illness does not have the connection to violence you're claiming. I wrote this article on my blog specifically to combat the harmful stigmatizing misinformation like you are claiming here. (I have ads turned off and don't benefit in any way.)
An excerpt from my blog post:
Only 3-5% of violent acts can be attributed to those with SMI [20], co-occurring substance use plays the most pivotal role in violence [24], many psychosocial contextual factors influence violent acts [11], and while individuals with SMI are potentially 2.1% more likely than those without a mental illness to be violent [4], they are 10 times more likely to be victims of violence themselves. [20]
The following is an excerpt on the Far-Right violent extremism (such as this case) from another one of my blog posts
Radicalization happens when an individual experiences destabilization thru various environmental factors (e.g., job loss, interpersonal hardship, isolation), experiences extremist rhetoric, and the extremism is then reinforced by members of the individual’s group/community. [24]
Radicalization spreads through a complex social contagion effect, in which it requires multiple exposures before the individual adopts the extreme belief(s), and this concept has been documented in political movements in a broad application. [24] Political propaganda utilizes a similar approach as well.
Group membership and social media usage are catalysts that enhance the spread of radical beliefs. [24] However, evidence suggests that despite encountering the misinformation online, there are still geographical factors that suggest local organizing plays an important role in the development of Far-Right extremist groups. [24]
3 Key Ingredients for Radicalization: [10]
1. Identity Fusion: allegiance to a social group is prioritized above one’s own well-being and identity.
2. Obsessive Passions: one compulsively and relentlessly pursues a passion to the point of dysfunction, marked by loss of self-control and inability to cease activity that causes harm, guilt, shame, or burn-out. [14]
3. Past Incarceration
Another critical factor in one’s susceptibility to radicalization, as concisely stated by Psychology Today, is that: “people who had been threatened, dehumanized, and perceived that they were discriminated against were more likely to become radicalized.” [10] This statement is key in examining the political extremism that has permeated our country, as the movements promoting radicalization prey on people by exploiting these very components.
In a study evaluating Left-Wing and Right-Wing domestic extremism between 1994 and 2020, there was one fatality as the result of Left-Wing extremism, versus 329 fatalities resulting from Far Right extremism in that 25 year period. [5]
The Far-Right movement is the oldest and most deadly form of domestic terrorism in the United States, and The Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism found that the Far-Right is responsible for 98% of extremist murders in the U.S. [24] Furthermore, for nearly every year since 2011, Far-Right terrorist attacks/plots have accounted for over half of all terror attacks/plots in the United States. [21]
In the U.S., Right-Wing extremism was responsible for two-thirds of all failed, foiled, or successful terror attacks in 2019, and was responsible for 90% of attacks in the first half of 2020 alone. [21] Since 2013, Far-Right extremism has been responsible for more terror attacks/plots than the Left-Wing, ethnonationalism, or religiously motivated attacks/plots. [21]
Well said. The killer and his father are both victims of stochastic terrorism. Lots of people with blood on their hands and just this one patsy to hold accountable.
Jokes aside this man beat his father to death, with his fists, because of a medical decision. His dad was crying out "stop! You're killing me!"
I dont give a FUCK what medical decision that is, it does not call for violence.
I feel so sorry for the father and his family, and for the woman on the phone who had to listen to everything play out
Life lesson: if your own son turns out to be a homicidal maniac, stop visiting with him. Also, call the cops on him.
It is an army of zombies.
Fear is a poison that kills.
Ignorance grows fear.
I am afraid of that army.
Thankfully, according to left 4 dead, the zombie infection can be cured one bullet at a time. /S
I'm keeping my LP collection handy just in case.
Arm up and train.
Relevant username. Like... Damn.
Whenever I see “Florida man…” I think it can’t be any worse than the last one, and every time I’m proven wrong.
This is what your rhetoric causes, you assholes. Now people will have to hide and lie about their vaccine status to stay safe. I hope they declare him mentally incompetent to make his own healthcare decisions then strap him down and give him the Covid vaccine.
I assume it's mandatory if you're staying in prison, even in Florida...
Average Right Wing behavior.
is this the same maga psycho who cut his own dads head off... or was that another guy?
Another guy. That guy killed his dad because his dad was a federal agent. He may have also been vaccinated, but that wasn't the reason he was attacked.
... Well he killed his dad in this story. Do the math
Those 2 downvotes were from both of that maga psycho's 2 moms.
I think Republicans who make less than 3 million a year are idiots and those above are heartless... But I have a hard time believing this article is real. He beat his father so bloody they followed a blood trail out the door to the fence and determined he went next door to hide. That is a lot of blood but also, hiding next door with a blood trail to next door when you murdered someone seems like a fantasy story
Rich people aren't automatically smarter than poor people. Both groups are misinformed, likely in large part due to circumstances they were born into.
No they aren't smarter, but they are the ones Republicans laws benefit. They are voting for tax breaks and such for themselves at that point.
Fair point. While I could argue they're also voting for a dwindling consumer base, I realize the incentives that likely drive them the most are heavily weighted toward the short term.
I appreciate the fact that both of you didn't just say all rich people are ___ and acknowledged they're still people. I have actually met some really nice rich people, but not fortune 500 rich, just well off.
I very much agree with the better circumstances comment. I know some people who definitely didn't have any obstacles in their upbringing, but they weren't bad people.
I also believe they have a hard time empathizing or even understanding less fortunate people because they don't know any or didn't have the experience. I'm sure they make decisions based on this life experience.
I've also met some loaded super garbage people too. The kind of people who treat everyone like the help. Lots of them at sporting events oddly?
He killed his father over a vaccine conspiracy. This does not strike me as someone who is stable and/or a criminal mastermind. Panic to flee took care of the rest.
Is this how they thought the vaccine would kill us?? I thought it was heart attacks or something
Yeah, shouldn't we all be dropping dead or whatever it was by now?
Um literally billions of people are dying from the vaccine and you just don't know about it because the media won't cover it. Or something.
It's true, I've died 4 times now.
GTA6 has leaked
It's almost like this level of conspiratorial thinking is a mental illness.
Is this the same guy who cut off his father's head, or some other kook?
Different one. The other guy was from PA and decided his dad's career in the army corps of engineers made him part of the deep state, or some such shit.
“The” pow “vaccine” bam! “kills!” slash
Father?
Father what have I done?!
Damn.
Does that make it true ?
Technically, I think it was administration of blunt force trauma, but yOu nEvEr kNoW!
This is where we are.
Oh no, another degenerate who won’t be able to vote for Trump
relevant username from OP ? /s
Shhhh they will hear you
A Quiet Place, part 4 - The Fediverse
At least he’s out of the voting pool. Wish he’d have drank bleach- but this will have to do.
Florida Man strikes again
He's been arrested so many times yet keeps coming back to commit crimes again and again. Maybe that's his superpower.
Or just a line-up of weird doods who live in an alternate reality, where they know best how to live rightly.
Username checks out
DEMOCRATS are Dangerous!
Some horrible idiot did something horrible and idiotic according to a random website... what is the purpose of posting something like this?
This is news. Posted on a fox affiliate’s news website. That reports the news. Posted to a news community.
I’m very confused about why you’re confused about this being posted. This isn’t some newsmax opinion piece or something.
because it has 0 informative value:
We dont need to know every time somebody in this planet kills somebody else.
We dont need to know the horrible details about it.
The source is not serious and is writing this for clickbait.
Somebody tell this guy that Trump got the vaccine.
Your facts wouldn't matter. Even if peer reviewed, posted online, and signed by Trump himself.
I can see the Fox headlines now: "Man dies almost immediately after getting vaccinated"
Another COVID death for the statistics.
Is this what Joe Rogan was talking about when he was talking about sudden vaccine deaths?
Seriously though this is brutal and freaking disgusting. Your misinformation campaign isn't just about money it takes people's lives too.
I feel like blaming this on the covid disinfo might be going too far. If the guy was this unhinged, it was just a matter of time before something triggered him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic_terrorism
Triggering insane people is the point.
Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?
um, thats literally your dad
THAT IS WHY DISINFO RHETORIC IS DANGEROUS
I for one support imprisoning all radical fascist right wing conspiracist talk show hosts. They are literally a Clear And Oresent Danger and must have miltary action taken against them.
Why can't we do the same to literally every major organization?
I'd love to see someone talking about legislation that hold any mass media, PR entity, etc legally liable for publishing incorrect information.
Can you imagine if a simple retraction statement buried somewhere wouldn't cut it and the organization's leaders were criminally charged or sued?
All the sudden talking heads would be a huge liability and maybe only facts would be broadcast again?
Probably impossible.
Woukd absolutely demand this, along with abolition of lobbyist donations
#JustConservativeThings
I'll be damned they were right. Taking the vaccine can have lethal side effects.
Came here to say the same thing. I better steer clear of Florida.
South Florida is fine, just avoid the rest of the state.
Southern Florida vs '~the~South' Florida
BRB adding this one to VAERS to help more people avoid a deadly vaccine.
weird how so many vaccine conspiracy people just want to kill people.
Funny how mental illness can do that.
Edit - Jfc people. Yes, murdering your father because you're so deep down the conspiracy rabbithole is a very clear sign that you have serious untreated mental illness. Is that really that hard to understand?
And no, it's not a get out jail free card. It's identifying that propaganda preys on the mentally ill for indoctrination, and that a subset of the mentally ill are extraordinarily predisposed to violence as part of their condition.
No, no, just fucking no.
It was not mental illness that killed this man, it was his hateful asshole son.
I fucking hate this rethoric that just leads to more discrimination against people with an actual mental illness.
No, it is a legitimate mental illness.
I will lay a bet that if we were to perform a neuroimaging exam of this man’s brain, we would find a hypertrophic amygdala (which is the physical part of the brain that detects and classifies fear and threat responses) heavily primed to kick off a reaction in the limbic system. It’s a hair trigger over which you don’t have conscious control at that point. I will also guarantee he has a hypotrophied prefrontal cortex, which is the slower to react but more evolutionarily advanced part of the brain that’s supposed to keep all that stuff in check by asking “Is that what’s really happening?” and “What will happen to me if I do this?” There’s also a very solid chance we’d find evidence traumatic brain injury, with is present in 50%+ of persons in jail for violent crime and about 10% in the general population. We could do a blood work up, a DNA test, a psychological history, and so on.
We’re talking about structural, chemical, genetic, and psychological determinants. I don’t know how to classify that other than mental illness requiring treatment. I’m going to use a non-preferred term in its colloquial sense, but if a person is psychotic, you’re not going to punish them back to mental health.
Not everyone with mental illness is violent - almost none are. But people with these conditions are indeed mentally ill - it is a medical, not a moral condition - and until we approach it like that, we’re not going to be able to begin to address it.
I do not believe that we have free will, but I think in extreme cases like this you don’t even need to go that far. You’re no more going to fix a person like this morally than you’re going to cure epilepsy with an exorcism.
So you just used a whole lot of words why this dude might have mental illness after all.
Do you then also think that this is a totally cool and appropriate statement to make?
I just don't.
Yes, it is my educated opinion that this person, for the reasons I outlined at a pretty high level, has mental illness.
No, I do not think that the other person’s statement was totally cool. I agree with you that it was insensitive and dismissive. I want to make it very clear that I’m not trying to invalidate the reaction that kind of comment inspires.
What I am saying is that we do not do the fields of medicine, mental health, or criminal justice reform any favors if we try to take the stance that mental illness has no role to play in these kinds of incidents.
Look, I’m a researcher. One of my primary areas of research is studying how susceptibility to contagious ideas like these cluster in social networks and how they’re exploited by the viral contagion between individuals as pushed by their peers and mass/social media. I can get all into sigmoid transfer functions from opinions to behavior and how they’re left-shifted by predispositions.
But my main, ethical point is that this is a medical problem, and we need to treat it like one. None of that casts aspersions or makes any assumptions whatsoever about the vast spectrum that constitutes what we broadly and often erroneously term “mental health.” It just means that people need psychological and medical interventions rather than life in prison or the electric chair.
Thank you for making this point. I agree; we must view behavior like this as needing help.
STOP FUCKING USING THAT STUPID FUCKING EXCUSE.
IT IS NOT MENTAL ILLNESS; IT IS STRAIGHT UP FASCIST PROPAGANDA
Read the edit. Tldr: it's both
You're so sickeningly wrong.... Serious mental illness does not have the connection to violence you're claiming. I wrote this article on my blog specifically to combat the harmful stigmatizing misinformation like you are claiming here. (I have ads turned off and don't benefit in any way.)
An excerpt from my blog post:
The References
The following is an excerpt on the Far-Right violent extremism (such as this case) from another one of my blog posts
For the references
Well said. The killer and his father are both victims of stochastic terrorism. Lots of people with blood on their hands and just this one patsy to hold accountable.
Jokes aside this man beat his father to death, with his fists, because of a medical decision. His dad was crying out "stop! You're killing me!"
I dont give a FUCK what medical decision that is, it does not call for violence.
I feel so sorry for the father and his family, and for the woman on the phone who had to listen to everything play out
Life lesson: if your own son turns out to be a homicidal maniac, stop visiting with him. Also, call the cops on him.
It is an army of zombies.
Fear is a poison that kills.
Ignorance grows fear.
I am afraid of that army.
Thankfully, according to left 4 dead, the zombie infection can be cured one bullet at a time. /S
I'm keeping my LP collection handy just in case.
Arm up and train.
Relevant username. Like... Damn.
Whenever I see “Florida man…” I think it can’t be any worse than the last one, and every time I’m proven wrong.
This is what your rhetoric causes, you assholes. Now people will have to hide and lie about their vaccine status to stay safe. I hope they declare him mentally incompetent to make his own healthcare decisions then strap him down and give him the Covid vaccine.
I assume it's mandatory if you're staying in prison, even in Florida...
Average Right Wing behavior.
is this the same maga psycho who cut his own dads head off... or was that another guy?
Another guy. That guy killed his dad because his dad was a federal agent. He may have also been vaccinated, but that wasn't the reason he was attacked.
... Well he killed his dad in this story. Do the math
Those 2 downvotes were from both of that maga psycho's 2 moms.
I think Republicans who make less than 3 million a year are idiots and those above are heartless... But I have a hard time believing this article is real. He beat his father so bloody they followed a blood trail out the door to the fence and determined he went next door to hide. That is a lot of blood but also, hiding next door with a blood trail to next door when you murdered someone seems like a fantasy story
Rich people aren't automatically smarter than poor people. Both groups are misinformed, likely in large part due to circumstances they were born into.
No they aren't smarter, but they are the ones Republicans laws benefit. They are voting for tax breaks and such for themselves at that point.
Fair point. While I could argue they're also voting for a dwindling consumer base, I realize the incentives that likely drive them the most are heavily weighted toward the short term.
I appreciate the fact that both of you didn't just say all rich people are ___ and acknowledged they're still people. I have actually met some really nice rich people, but not fortune 500 rich, just well off.
I very much agree with the better circumstances comment. I know some people who definitely didn't have any obstacles in their upbringing, but they weren't bad people.
I also believe they have a hard time empathizing or even understanding less fortunate people because they don't know any or didn't have the experience. I'm sure they make decisions based on this life experience.
I've also met some loaded super garbage people too. The kind of people who treat everyone like the help. Lots of them at sporting events oddly?
He killed his father over a vaccine conspiracy. This does not strike me as someone who is stable and/or a criminal mastermind. Panic to flee took care of the rest.
Is this how they thought the vaccine would kill us?? I thought it was heart attacks or something
Yeah, shouldn't we all be dropping dead or whatever it was by now?
Um literally billions of people are dying from the vaccine and you just don't know about it because the media won't cover it. Or something.
It's true, I've died 4 times now.
GTA6 has leaked
It's almost like this level of conspiratorial thinking is a mental illness.
Is this the same guy who cut off his father's head, or some other kook?
Different one. The other guy was from PA and decided his dad's career in the army corps of engineers made him part of the deep state, or some such shit.
“The” pow “vaccine” bam! “kills!” slash
Father?
Father what have I done?!
Damn.
Does that make it true ?
Technically, I think it was administration of blunt force trauma, but yOu nEvEr kNoW!
This is where we are.
Oh no, another degenerate who won’t be able to vote for Trump
relevant username from OP ? /s
Shhhh they will hear you
A Quiet Place, part 4 - The Fediverse
At least he’s out of the voting pool. Wish he’d have drank bleach- but this will have to do.
Florida Man strikes again
He's been arrested so many times yet keeps coming back to commit crimes again and again. Maybe that's his superpower.
Or just a line-up of weird doods who live in an alternate reality, where they know best how to live rightly.
Username checks out
DEMOCRATS are Dangerous!
Some horrible idiot did something horrible and idiotic according to a random website... what is the purpose of posting something like this?
This is news. Posted on a fox affiliate’s news website. That reports the news. Posted to a news community.
I’m very confused about why you’re confused about this being posted. This isn’t some newsmax opinion piece or something.
because it has 0 informative value:
I am sorry /c/news was not up to your standards of excellence today. You should enquire about a refund.
!news in my TL is like !nottheonion these days.