I know it's a shipost and this meme is at least 15 years old. But meat, cheese, and white bread (especially the ones in the US with added sugar) were never healthy
Since when is meat unhealthy?
Although high in nutrients, the difficulty in digestion makes it a carciogen. Particularly red meat - bird and fish (pre omnipresent plastics and heavy metals) are relatively healthier.
That's sorta half the story. The official statement is that consistently eating more than 1.5lbs (500g) of red meat per week "probably" (their word) increases your cancer risk. The real story is that eating more than 50g of processed meat per week dramatically increases your cancer risk. To the extent that processed meat is ranked as a "Group 1" carcinogen.
It is, sadly, like the California Cancer joke, where almost everything causes cancer if taken to excess.
If it is hard to digest meat, why do carnivores have shorter guts than herbivores?
"Hard" doesn't necessarily mean "requiring many resources" in this case. It has more nutrients, and as such it's usually not digested as fully as herbivores digest plant matter.
It's harder on the system doing the digestion.
I'm not getting it. Meat is hard to digest, but you can do it with a short gut, and produces very little excretion (the military "low residue diet" is meaty and low in fibre)
But vegetables are easy, yet take a longer gut and produce enormous amounts of shit
Have you got a source - ideally one not produced by a vegan or vegetarian source?
I think it's more the industrial farming and food processing practices that make it carcinogenic.
It's not. Remember that evolutionary incentives don't care if you tend to live very far fast 32.
It actually is. Most carcinogenic evidence on meats come from processed meats. Per cited references, eating way too much red meat is "probably" a cause for cancer, but eating processed meats is definitely a cause for cancer.
And by "way too much", that's 1.5lbs/week. I love a good steak, but don't really eat 1.5lbs/week of it.
Well good thing science doesn't give a shit what you believe lol. We've known this for decades at this point.
“That’s where the truth lies, right down here in the gut. Do you know you have more nerve endings in your gut than you have in your head? You can look it up. Now, I know some of you are going to say, ‘I did look it up, and that’s not true.’ That’s ’cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut. I did. My gut tells me that’s how our nervous system works.” - Stephen Colbert, 2006
Would you happen to know any papers with compelling evidence of this?
They use "can" and "probably" in scientific sources because it's not entirely confirmed. The best citation I could find was "probably" an increased risk if you eat more than 500g of meat per week.
Fr meat is the reason we have big brain.
Now if you wanna argue that we should have never left the trees and created civilization then you may have a point.
The dose is the poison. Meat in the amount we consume today is unhealthy. In the past people didn't eat meat every day or even close to it.
That doesn’t inherently make it unhealthy. We have the means to not have to eat the animals we slaughter immediately due to refrigeration.
The frequency and serving sizes are what make it unhealthy. Coupled with an increasingly sedentary lifestyle and one of the best/easiest decisions you can make to improve your health is to cut back on meat, especially processed meat products. Proccessed meat is definitely, 100% unhealthier than cuts from your local butcher.
Processed meat is a Group 1 carcinogen. We should be treating it like we treat cigarettes.
Dude I can breathe air and get cancer.
That does not mean air causes cancer if that's what you are saying. Processed meat actually does.
While that's true, some things are definitely worse than others.
You can ignore them and smoke if you want. And if you're lucky, you'll still die of something that isn't caused by your smoking.
Yes, but all these points were not mentioned by the user I’m responding to. He stated that our ancestors didn’t eat meat as frequently as we do now. That was his argument against red meat.
That's also true of almost any food. Grains and legumes cause liver cancer. Eating too many plain vegetables can lead to nutritional deficiencies. All carbs, even fibers, need to be eaten in moderation. This site suggests no more than 3-4 servings per day.
Everything in moderation
Since the grain industry gained power in the 1940s. They funded much research to say
Meat is hard to digest (when in fact carnivorous animals have the shortest gut; we're omnivores and have a medium gut, we also have the most acidic stomach acid of the mammals which is an adaptation to eating meat)
Grain is the healthiest food (the only type of animal that does well on seeds is birds, they don't have teeth for bread to get stuck between and rot. The ancient Egyptians lived on bread and had the worst dental health)
That humans need a balanced diet of many different things - which we do when we're eating nutritionally poor foods like bread, but many thrive on simple diets of fatty meat (Inuit before they adopted the standard American diet; Buffalo hunting native Americans; modern followers of lion, carnivore, zero carb)
The standard diet as recommended by science (much of which was bought by the wheat peak bodies) has made us fat. Getting fatter is the most unhealthy state, it leads to diabetes, hypertension, bad cholesterol and early death
This is a common explanation but is unfortunately propaganda in itself.
Long story short on what you wrote - meat is a nutritionally rich food option and kind of nutritionally acceptable if your people have been living in the tundra for a few thousand years & have actually managed to genetically accommodate it, since there isn't much else food the further you go north (although it's very much overly simplistic to depict Inuit diets as entirely meat-based). But for modern people, in temperature or tropical regions, it makes no sense at all, plant-based diets give you the best balance of nutrients without extremely high fat and cholesterol content...there's a real anti-scientific hubris going on with people trying to brush away this basic fact.
If you eat it more than 2 - 3 times per week.
Specially processed meat, cheese and bread. In the case of fast food these ingredients are basically "hacked" to make us crave more and consume more. These industries have "food scientists" working on exactly that.
Meat, cheese and bread in their more natural form is definitely healthy when consumed in moderation.
Hacking implies a lot more than simply adding fat and sugar, and that's all you gotta do.
I've seen several threads where chefs confess that all they do to make their dish(s) popular is load it down with butter and sugar.
Wouldst thou like the taste of butter, wouldst thou like to live deliciously?
In related news, this American finally figured out why Europeans find our bread sickening sweet, why I love sourdough and why it's called "sour". You're only gonna need one guess.
Hacking implies a lot more than simply adding fat and sugar, and that's all you gotta do.
In principle yes, but in reality it extends much farther than that and there is a whole industry built around this.
For example, the "Subway Sandwich smell" is something desired but not easily replicable, and is a guarded secrecy that corporate is pretty shush-shush about. It not only accentuates the flavor but can get people into the shop from blocks away.
It's... Just just the smell of baked bread and yeast. Anyone that makes their own bread knows what's going on with the smells in subway and can easily replicate it. I worked at one when I was younger there's absolutely nothing nefarious or secret about it lmao. I personally think it's the yeast more than anything. It's a smell that used to be really common but is much less so these days so it sticks out. A lot of subways have the bread proofing/rising right up by the front too
I’ve seen several threads where chefs confess that all they do to make their dish(s) popular is load it down with butter and sugar.
Not "confessed". That's a part of what they teach in culinary school. Restaurants strive for increased flavor, and the most effective flavor profiles are sweet and umami. Sugar and butter (or meat or MSG etc).
But yeah, we definitely use more sugar (instead of, or as well as umami) in America. However, there's a lot of that going on in Japanese and Chinese (real, as in eating in China) cooking as well. When I was in China, everything that wasn't meat was shockingly carb-loaded. These weird (yummy) sweet cheese breads I swore had simple syrup slathered all over them with what tasted almost like American Cheese.
Especially the US white bread which contains a carcinogen.
Which carcinogen?
Can't you read? "A" carcinogen. Doesn't matter which one!
/s
I don't know exactly, but it's one of the preservatives. It's banned in Europe.
How profound. Clearly, you have a lot of important things to say.
I said all of that in my other comment, replying to someone else.
Take care not to make statements so inaccurate they are effectively meaningless.
"US white bread" isn't a singular brand and most brands don't "contain[s] a carcinogen"...
You never mentioned what the carcinogen was. Probably because it would compromise your argument that "US white bread" as a whole contains it when it does not. (It's Potassium Bromate/Bromide (it's used interchangeably online sometimes), for those wondering.)
It's not limited to white bread in where it can be used. It was an additive to flour in general.
A lot of the fear mongering blogs, written by 'influencers' whose research consists of 10 seconds of Googling but not verifying a single fucking thing they write about, name brands that contain potassium bromate... but actually don't. Example: Wonder bread (https://wonderbread.ca/our\_products/white-bread-675g/) Chex Mix. Looking up their ingredients list shows the item in question is not used at all. https://www.chexmix.com/products/chex-mix-traditional/
TLDR: Think before you repeat vague, meaningless shit next time.
BTW, You should look into the horrors of Dihydrogen Monoxide.
My statement is far from meaningless. Mild carcinogens are still carcinogenic. Sure, a small dose as a one of will not cause problems short term, but long term build up is a thing.
It's a preservative widely used in US white bread, but banned in Europe and other places.
I don't know the specific carcinogen off the top of my head, I've never bothered to remember it, and didn't look it up earlier while I was half snoozing being driven home.
So you do know what I'm talking about.
My source was Dr Joel Fuhrman. I'm not sure if you'd call him an influencer. While I do turn my nose up at some of his preaching, I think much of what he says is backed up by solid science. Not that I follow it myself. If it's since been removed from most products then good for you and other people in the US.
Your link to Wonderbread is from Canada.
Chex Mix doesn't contain azodicarbonamide (I'm guessing this is the one we're talking about? I wouldn't be surprised if there are others), but it does use butylated hydroxytoluene, which is also classed as GRAS (Generally Recognised As Safe) by the FDA based on a study from 1979. Yet both chemicals have since been called into question for their links to cancer. From a cursory glance, azodicarbonamide has a more proven link, while butylated hydroxytoluene has yet to be properly studied and the link is questionable.
Too much dihydrogen monoxide can kill you.
Alcohol is also carcinogenic - more so than bread additives - but I'm definitely having some of that tonight.
Also, Joel Fuhrman had a podcast talk about lemmy's favourite, BEANS.
Edit: Bloody kbin users, breaking lemmy threads. Supposedly there's a comment underneath mine, but it won't load, and there's nothing on kbin.
I am extremely sure if you make a burger by yourself with good ingredients it will be just as healthy.
Beware of the added sugars in things that aren't supposed to have that much sugar.
*calling meat, cheese, and bread healthy*
wow that food pyramid propaganda really did a number on you all didnt it.
Edit: im talking about the meat and dairy industies lobbying too, not just bread
It seems odd putting meat in the same category as bread.
In terms of pure health, there's not much out there better than most meats. Yes, beef is a bit lower than pork and chicken, but properly portioned (looking at most of us Americans) it has very few downsides.
Bread on the other hand can be one of the worst foods we can eat. Of course, it is still all about moderation.
EDIT: Why the reddit-like downvotes folks? There's really no cohesive argument that puts meat below bread healthwise in most situations. If you want to avoid meat, avoid meat. If you want to be morally opposed to anyone eating meat, so be it. Facts are still facts and misinformation isn't the right way to fight that battle.
But yeah nobody is going to put a wholegrain bun on their hamburger.
Yes, bread can be healthy. The right one in moderation. The same as red meat (per your reference), actually :).
But 80/20 extra-fattened with liver for a delicious burger? Definitely not healthy (but like a candy bar, it's ok to have one every months or two)
Your "source" is one doctor speaking out against and entire study where the researchers found "low" evidence that either red meat or processed meat is harmful. That's not low health risks, or low percentage of affected individuals, but low evidence that here are any risks at all.
But yeah nobody is going to put a wholegrain bun on their hamburger.
Uhh. Why not? Whole Grain comes in all shapes and sizes now. Hell, most higher end restaurants use whole grain buns. Not sure why you would conclude that?
This makes me think you've never had a 100% wholegrain bread
Do you live somewhere in the world where it's hard to get? I rarely eat bread, but when I do buy from the store it's always 100% wholegrain. I just bought some a few weeks ago and there were plenty of different choices on the shelf.
No wholegrain is easy to get. Just nog as burger buns in a restaurant. I wasn't talking about bread in a supermarket
But yeah nobody is going to put a wholegrain bun on their hamburger.
yeah people do its not uncommon here
The doctor in your link says processed meat is likely bad all around, presumably due to additives, but that red meat in lower amounts (specifically, he says "2-3 times a week" and to use red meat as a side, instead of a main) is actually associated with lower health risks.
Bread can be one of the worst foods we can eat
Why?
I said it elsewhere. Basically, it combines low nutritional value with a high density pack of too-easily-digested carbs.
The effect is that it increases blood sugar and hunger, which very easily leads to higher weight. Higher weight alone is not immediately unhealthy, but it can get unhealthy pretty fast if you get heavier and heavier.
And the only objection is "well, better than sugar, so it's not THAT bad"... But we have a lot of added sugar in bread here in the US.
Well, they sure have necessary nutrients
i love the greatest source of carcinogens in an average diet 🤤🤤
Everything is a fucking carcinogen, get over it and eat an actually balanced diet with exercise
nah meat and dairy is kinda gross
Meat ?
Of course. The unhealthiness of food is an emergent property arising from the arrangement of their constituents components relative to each other. The next time you have a burger and want to be healthy, just take it apart! Taps head
In all seriousness, for anyone confused by this, whether or not something is healthy for you is all about quantities and ratios. Specifically, that of your diet as a whole, not of individual items. So while I don't agree with this sentiment, burgers can be considered unhealthy because:
There is very little vegetables in relation to meat and bread
It is very calorically dense
Red meat is considered by many to be unhealthy in its own right, and burgers tend to have a lot of that
It is usually consumed with large portions of fries and drinks or other sides that are also very calorically dense with little diversity in micronutrients
I'm sick of people claiming calorie dense food is unhealthy. It's not. Calories are required for your body to function. An adult needs 2000kcal per day; whether they are spread out over 8 meals or 3 makes no difference. Eating the amount of calories of a hamburger every day is nothing special, especially if you do sports regularly.
This comment was made by the <20 BMI gang.
Only thing wrong with calorie dense food is that people eat too much. Guess you could add ignorance in there as well. Pretty shocking when you look at the numbers on the menu.
Not that people actually look. They got every excuse in the world for being fat, except the big one, placing calories in their mouth.
Coming from the >30 BMI gang, a lot of the food in the West (especially the United States but a lot of other countries are having this problem too) has a shit-ton of calories and very few other nutrients. That's the biggest problem with caloric density, when food has a lot of calories and no nutrients it encourages either obesity or nutrient deficits.
There are some foods while very caloric will give you a massive amount of what you need. Its important to not made them the villains too.
Calories are required for your body to function
not mine 🙂
Are you a robot?
A robot powered by nicotine and aspartame.
Who's this? Snack from Metal Gear Solid?
Robots need calories too (just they usually eat "food" like batteries or gasoline)! Clearly they are a ghost. Or a Walking Dead zombie. Those things defied physics.
whether they are spread out over 8 meals or 3 makes no difference.
While I agree with your overall point, this isnt true. While there is still debate about the "best" frequency to eat meals in, its generally agreed upon you dont want to eat all of your daily calories at once as you overstress your gut and cant process it efficiently.
Additionally, eight ounces of steak might be lean. (It also might not, of course.) Eight ounces of hamburger, especially one from a fast food restaurant, is absolutely not lean beef.
I always thought it was the proportions that weren't healty. You get 50% bread, 50% meat, with a tiny slice of lettuce in the middle.
It's really not the burger that's unhealthy, but the fries and soda you get with them
Fries could be argued for, its the sugary soda that is the real issue. Sugar is absolutely terrible in large amounts frequently...
Absolutely this. Sure the fat and salt and lack of veggies isn't great for you, but the fries and soda is way worse.
The burgers are unhealthy too. With all the dressing, roasted onion, fatty cheese, oil, salt...
I'm fat by nature (and environment) so I have examined and tried many diets, and I think I can only say for sure a few thing about healthiness of diets:
if you eat carbs, fats beyond what is necessary to eat, are unhealthy
If you don't eat carbs you need to eat fats, some fats are better than others
If you don't eat carbs and you don't eat fats you starve - to thin then to death
Sugar is unhealthy and wrecks your teeth
Highly processed foods are not healthy
So it's as easy as eating a balanced diet?
If it fits your macros bro
Indeed, though it's hard to get fatter on fat in absence of carbs or dairy
Becoming less fat? It's hard.
I cannot do it eating a low fat diet. I find portion control impossible, I get very hungry when I eat carbs
The only success I have had has been on very low carb diets, but they are hard to stick to long term. I found the only one I can do easily is "zero carb"
Ed. It's unbalanced - choose either:
Carbs, protein & minimal high quality fats; or
Fats, protein & minimal to zero carbs
If you eat balanced fat, carbs, protein then you will not be healthy
On the sugar note: Meat you buy in the store (for instance bacon) often have sugar additives. Better to visit the butcher.
Butchers won't save you from sugar in bacon, many bacon brine recipes call for sugar, but a butcher will be able to tell you what the bacon was pickled in
Raw, unprocessed meat (steak, chops, chicken) is generally fine
Ah didn't know that, thank you. I've just started to read the ingredients list on most of the products I buy from the store and realised I can't even buy ham or many other kinds of meat, because of the sugar additives that they syringe into it.
additives that they syringe into it.
It's usually only water they syringe into meat - so they can sell a 1.5kg leg of lamb as a 1.7kg ;) but only if your food supply is really badly regulated
The sugar in bacon is from the brine it is soaked in; in ham it's from the glaze it was coated in before it was sliced - the sugar on sliced ham is all in the edge
Salami might have sugar to promote fermentation
Glazed sliced ham?
No I'm talking a bout a big piece of meat without glace. I'm not in the states though so might be different there.
Sliced ham is cut from the big piece. And you're right, aside from Christmas, ham isn't usually glazed. I guess there's sugar in the pot when the ham is cooked, so I think my advice is right - the sugar will not have penetrated far
I guess I haven't thought much about sugar in smallgoods, as it was within the 20g allowance on keto (even with a bowl of salad) and now I'm on "zero carb" I don't bother with ham because it doesn't have enough fat
I'm also not in the states, g'day from Australia
What about protein? There's a whole other macro you can use to make up for calories with if you cut out carbs. Eating near exclusively protein probably isn't good for you, but you won't starve. From what I've seen there can even be a lot of advantages to eating a little more protein, especially if you're doing some strength training.
Protein is vital and is available on any kind of diet. Many vegetables, all meats, all fungi
Humans can either live on carbs or live on fats, in both cases we must also eat protein
Humans cannot (though cats can) live on protein, look up rabbit starvation. You will starve if you eat only protein, where eating only fat or only glucose will kill you much more slowly with vitamin deficiencies
Ratios and amount are the most important thing in healthy eating. For reference, vegetables should be more than half your food intake, the rest split between whole-grain carbs and protein (either meat or plant based) in order to be healthy. And we need to pay attention to how much total food we eat too since our monkey brains that evolved under extreme food scarcity don't do a good job of moderating nutrient input.
No I can't keep myself to that either.
White bread, cheese (at least not the one on burgers) and red meat aren’t exactly known as healthy foods. Definitely not in the proportions of a burger. Even more definitely not when you boil the meat in oil (often together with the onions).
Look my internal butter system carries oxygen to my cells that's why the doctor says I have IBS
She also is showing lean meat not 20% burger meat, it's just dumb.
Yeah, I've never understood why burgers are unhealthy if beef, grain, and vegetables are healthy.
First of all there's a huge gap between home made hamburger and, well, anything else tbh. Actually, let's expand it, there's a huge difference between home made anything and any other kind of food, be it restaurant or assembly line made.
Backing up a little though, if you make a hamburger at home, with lean good quality beef that you grind up yourself or ask them to grind it for you at the counter, lots of veggies and very little oil, on a home made bun or on actual bread (the kind made with flour, water and salt, that's it), then it's quite healthy. Still wouldn't eat it more than once a week since red meat yada-yada, but still, not that bad.
What you get at a fast food though is very low quality meat with lots of fats, dipped in other fats, sugar and spices to mask the flavor, processed bread, processed cheese, very little veggies and, usually, a side of french fries and a soda, which are a meal onto themselves. Let's take McDonald's, looking at their website a quarter pounder is 500+ kCal, the medium fries are 300+ kCal and a medium coke is 200+ kCal. That's 1000+ kCal for a "meal" full of fats, sugar and processed food. Also it's a huge spike in insuline which will lead you to a huge crash just a few hours later leaving you hungry and craving for more.
Restaurants are also a bit guilty of this. They tend to add much more fats than you'd ever do at home in order to drastically improve the flavor of their dishes. Can't even fault them for it, if I wanted a bland healthy meal, I'd have eaten at home. If I'm going to the restaurant it's because I want a great tasting dish. Ready made meals you can get at a supermarket are also full of fats, vegetable oils and preservatives in order to mask the shitty flavor.
So at the end of the day I'd say the best thing is to avoid as much as possible processed foods, avoid all take outs and deliveries, go out to eat maximum once a week and cook all your meals yourself starting with simple ingredients. It's not that hard either and cooking can be fun.
if you make a hamburger at home, with lean good quality beef that you grind up yourself or ask them to grind it for you at the counter
If you use lean beef to make a burger, you're Doing It Wrong™. Make the burger smaller or eat them less often if necessary, but don't go below about 20% fat.
More concretely, I recommend using brisket to grind for your hamburgers. It has the correct amount of fat, plus a whole brisket is among the cheapest cuts of beef you can buy.
My method is two or three ~1" cubes of beef then one 1" cube of pork belly, repeat. Hella juicy.
Hell yes.
My method is smoked pork bellies and hold the hamburger till next week. I'm a huge pork belly fan. I know they're horrible for me, but I don't eat em often.
Very helpful and interesting too!
Beef ain't healthy, White bread isn't either and don't forget, the McDonalds Cheesburger doesn't even have vegetables.
Well, there's a pickle.
And there are the people that open their cheesburger to remove it.
Yup. I am people
Hello people
Burgers aren’t inherently unhealthy, in moderation. The problem comes when you’re buying the burgers from fast food joints.
Because the stuff is heavily processed using a lot of sugar, saturated fats and salt. Also the gravy the meat is fried in. Also the poor quality of the meat, being made from god knows which scraps of the animal, that couldn't sell otherwise.
The grain/carbs is the unhealthiest part. The low quality fat is next.
I've thrown away all the carbs in my pantry and went from keto to now carnivore. My wife's diabetes is reversing and I've lost 35lbs this year!
Look, I'm not gonna tell you how to live your life, but you should consider eating some nuts and veggies. Your guts are going to fall apart if you eat nothing but meat, and you're simply not going to get enough nutrients. The entire carnivore diet is unfortunately pseudoscience and no different than other fad diets of the past.
Just balance your diet and you'll likely see many of the same benefits, but you'll a) have less negative impact on the environment and b) have fewer long term health issues down the line.
I thought it was a bad diet until I learned about it more from doctors and nutritionist showing the data from blood work. I get what you're saying that it's pseudoscience, sorry to be blunt, prove it. You haven't said anything I haven't heard already.
I get what you’re saying that it’s pseudoscience, sorry to be blunt, prove it.
But medical experts have pointed out that there is absolutely no scientific evidence to back up these claims, pointing out that the diet could lead to vitamin deficiencies.
The carnivore diet has evolved from the keto and paleo diets, which eschew carbs in favour of protein and fat. Some followers of the lifestyle include fish, dairy products and eggs in their diets too.
Although there are health benefits to meat - it's a great source of protein, B vitamins, iron, zinc and magnesium - many nutritionists and dietitians have raised concerns that following the carnivore diet is unhealthy.
“I honestly think one of the biggest risks of the carnivore diet is colon cancer,” nutrition professor Rachele Pojednic told Lifehacker. “But we won’t have data on that for years to come (and this would also mean that someone needs to do a study on this diet, which I honestly don’t see happening).”
As the lifestyle advocates focussing on fatty meats, followers run the risk of raising their levels of LDL cholesterol, which can lead to an increased risk of heart disease and heart attacks.
“One thing you can't ignore is there are some nutrients you just can’t get from meat,” Harley Street nutritionist Rhiannon Lambert wrote on Instagram.
She explains that only eating meat deprives your body of folate, vitamins C and E, and fibre, which are all essential for good health: "that's why sailors used to get scurvy with not enough vitamin C in their largely fish diets."
What's more, subsisting on meat alone doesn't provide the body with fibre, which is essential to promote a healthy gut.
“Meat also tends to push the balance of our good and bad cholesterol (called HDL and LDL) towards the bad end,” the Re-Nourish author adds.
Like some else said a balanced diet is important, minimize carbs but have at least some, also vegetables and some grains is good too. Your gut bacteria loves diversity.
People eat too much burgers
Real answer (since there's a lot of crap going around).
Grain really isn't that healthy in large quantities, but isn't bad. But if you grind it into flour and bleach out the bran and germ, it's far less healthy. When you bake it into a bread, you create this extremely high-density/high-calorie end product with very little nutritional value.
And beef, similar story. Beef is below-average on healthiness of meat (high cholesterol, though it's complicated the same as high-salt foods would be). But in a burger, you usually use especially fatty beef, like 80/20. Restaurants will sometimes supplement the fat in the beef with pork fat to make for an even tastier (and more unhealthy) burger.
Nobody will ever say that tomato, lettuce, or pickle on a burger are unhealthy.
Red meat is bad, white bread is bad, cheese is also shit. Also like others have said heavily processed
Beef, under no circumstances, is healthy. Raw beef, beautifully seared beef, ground beef, AAA Chuck Sirloin whatever, doesn't matter. Animal fats are linked to diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and cancer. The maillard reaction when you cook any meat at all is carcinogenic.
Can I get some sources? Im seeing opposing arguments about red meat being healthy or not in here and I'm seeing basically no sources.
Afaik the least healthy part of that is the grain. Most breads, aside from a handful of micronutrients, are pretty close to empty calories. The killer with fast food is the soda and fries, usually.
I think it's because of the quality of the ingredients. If you make a burger with homegrown vegetables and high-quality meat it would be healthy
Step one is to ask yourself what you think healthy means. Generally it's used as a catch-all by people to justify whatever shitty diet they have.
It's really only unhealthy if you're eating that every time you eat. And mostly what makes it unhealthy is the fat/lean ratio. Hamburgers usually use fattier hamburger. You can make them with leaner meat tho. They just don't taste nearly as good.
I've always been a proponent of full-fat products. Give me cream and I'll drink it! It is the sugar that I am wary of, even though it is so delicious!
Hamburgers use hamburgers
I have great news for you! It ain’t so!
Yogurt is an accepted and perfectly healthy snack, unless you put it in the freezer first, then its bad for you for some reason.
Unflavored Greek yogurt is great for you. Its the sugars and fructose they add that is bad for you.
It’s the heavy amounts pf processing and adding far too much sugar that does it.
Bin the bread bun and have the burger with a nice fresh salad and decent cheese and you’ll live longer and healthier.
Cheese isn't healthy. Ground beef neither. I couldn't think about anything healthy you could use as a burger sauce.
While cheese may not be healthy, it's not necessarily unhealthy either. It's got a good amount of protein, iodine, and b vitamins. All of which are very important and usually lacking in other foods (particularly the iodine and b vitamins). Are there options with similar nutrition that are better for you? Absolutely. But I wouldn't say it's necessarily bad for you either
Cheese is certainly not unhealthy. In addition to what you already listed it's also a good source for calcium.
you forgot the most important ingredients: salt, oil
From a certain point of view
I will not go...
Based on this thread I've decided that all food is bad for me.
Literally nothing is healthy about eating any part of a cow's flesh. Red meat is, entirely, bad for your health.
Is that really true? Guess it depends on what we define as healthy, but I would assume that eating varid is the way to go.
Yeah eating red meat every day is probably not good, but once a week or less might be ideal?
How could that possibly be true? We are omnivores and have evolved as such. There are many animals that only eat meat lol
You are wrong, eating meat and vegetables is natural for humans.
I know it's a shipost and this meme is at least 15 years old. But meat, cheese, and white bread (especially the ones in the US with added sugar) were never healthy
Since when is meat unhealthy?
Although high in nutrients, the difficulty in digestion makes it a carciogen. Particularly red meat - bird and fish (pre omnipresent plastics and heavy metals) are relatively healthier.
That's sorta half the story. The official statement is that consistently eating more than 1.5lbs (500g) of red meat per week "probably" (their word) increases your cancer risk. The real story is that eating more than 50g of processed meat per week dramatically increases your cancer risk. To the extent that processed meat is ranked as a "Group 1" carcinogen.
Flip-side, grains and legumes have been tied to cancer as well. I can't find exactly what category, but they seem fairly convinced they are carcinogenic.
It is, sadly, like the California Cancer joke, where almost everything causes cancer if taken to excess.
If it is hard to digest meat, why do carnivores have shorter guts than herbivores?
"Hard" doesn't necessarily mean "requiring many resources" in this case. It has more nutrients, and as such it's usually not digested as fully as herbivores digest plant matter.
It's harder on the system doing the digestion.
I'm not getting it. Meat is hard to digest, but you can do it with a short gut, and produces very little excretion (the military "low residue diet" is meaty and low in fibre)
But vegetables are easy, yet take a longer gut and produce enormous amounts of shit
There's nothing about difficulty in digestion on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meat#Nutritional_information
Have you got a source - ideally one not produced by a vegan or vegetarian source?
I think it's more the industrial farming and food processing practices that make it carcinogenic.
It's not. Remember that evolutionary incentives don't care if you tend to live very far fast 32.
It actually is. Most carcinogenic evidence on meats come from processed meats. Per cited references, eating way too much red meat is "probably" a cause for cancer, but eating processed meats is definitely a cause for cancer.
And by "way too much", that's 1.5lbs/week. I love a good steak, but don't really eat 1.5lbs/week of it.
Yeah I just don't believe you bud.
https://www.mdanderson.org/publications/focused-on-health/your-guide-to-eating-less-red-meat.h26Z1590624.html
Well good thing science doesn't give a shit what you believe lol. We've known this for decades at this point.
“That’s where the truth lies, right down here in the gut. Do you know you have more nerve endings in your gut than you have in your head? You can look it up. Now, I know some of you are going to say, ‘I did look it up, and that’s not true.’ That’s ’cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut. I did. My gut tells me that’s how our nervous system works.” - Stephen Colbert, 2006
Would you happen to know any papers with compelling evidence of this?
They use "can" and "probably" in scientific sources because it's not entirely confirmed. The best citation I could find was "probably" an increased risk if you eat more than 500g of meat per week.
Fr meat is the reason we have big brain.
Now if you wanna argue that we should have never left the trees and created civilization then you may have a point.
The dose is the poison. Meat in the amount we consume today is unhealthy. In the past people didn't eat meat every day or even close to it.
That doesn’t inherently make it unhealthy. We have the means to not have to eat the animals we slaughter immediately due to refrigeration.
The frequency and serving sizes are what make it unhealthy. Coupled with an increasingly sedentary lifestyle and one of the best/easiest decisions you can make to improve your health is to cut back on meat, especially processed meat products. Proccessed meat is definitely, 100% unhealthier than cuts from your local butcher.
Processed meat is a Group 1 carcinogen. We should be treating it like we treat cigarettes.
Dude I can breathe air and get cancer.
That does not mean air causes cancer if that's what you are saying. Processed meat actually does.
While that's true, some things are definitely worse than others.
You can ignore them and smoke if you want. And if you're lucky, you'll still die of something that isn't caused by your smoking.
Yes, but all these points were not mentioned by the user I’m responding to. He stated that our ancestors didn’t eat meat as frequently as we do now. That was his argument against red meat.
That's also true of almost any food. Grains and legumes cause liver cancer. Eating too many plain vegetables can lead to nutritional deficiencies. All carbs, even fibers, need to be eaten in moderation. This site suggests no more than 3-4 servings per day.
Everything in moderation
Since the grain industry gained power in the 1940s. They funded much research to say
The standard diet as recommended by science (much of which was bought by the wheat peak bodies) has made us fat. Getting fatter is the most unhealthy state, it leads to diabetes, hypertension, bad cholesterol and early death
This is a common explanation but is unfortunately propaganda in itself.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Weston_A._Price_Foundation
Long story short on what you wrote - meat is a nutritionally rich food option and kind of nutritionally acceptable if your people have been living in the tundra for a few thousand years & have actually managed to genetically accommodate it, since there isn't much else food the further you go north (although it's very much overly simplistic to depict Inuit diets as entirely meat-based). But for modern people, in temperature or tropical regions, it makes no sense at all, plant-based diets give you the best balance of nutrients without extremely high fat and cholesterol content...there's a real anti-scientific hubris going on with people trying to brush away this basic fact.
If you eat it more than 2 - 3 times per week.
Specially processed meat, cheese and bread. In the case of fast food these ingredients are basically "hacked" to make us crave more and consume more. These industries have "food scientists" working on exactly that.
Meat, cheese and bread in their more natural form is definitely healthy when consumed in moderation.
Hacking implies a lot more than simply adding fat and sugar, and that's all you gotta do.
I've seen several threads where chefs confess that all they do to make their dish(s) popular is load it down with butter and sugar.
Wouldst thou like the taste of butter, wouldst thou like to live deliciously?
In related news, this American finally figured out why Europeans find our bread sickening sweet, why I love sourdough and why it's called "sour". You're only gonna need one guess.
In principle yes, but in reality it extends much farther than that and there is a whole industry built around this.
For example, the "Subway Sandwich smell" is something desired but not easily replicable, and is a guarded secrecy that corporate is pretty shush-shush about. It not only accentuates the flavor but can get people into the shop from blocks away.
It's... Just just the smell of baked bread and yeast. Anyone that makes their own bread knows what's going on with the smells in subway and can easily replicate it. I worked at one when I was younger there's absolutely nothing nefarious or secret about it lmao. I personally think it's the yeast more than anything. It's a smell that used to be really common but is much less so these days so it sticks out. A lot of subways have the bread proofing/rising right up by the front too
Not "confessed". That's a part of what they teach in culinary school. Restaurants strive for increased flavor, and the most effective flavor profiles are sweet and umami. Sugar and butter (or meat or MSG etc).
But yeah, we definitely use more sugar (instead of, or as well as umami) in America. However, there's a lot of that going on in Japanese and Chinese (real, as in eating in China) cooking as well. When I was in China, everything that wasn't meat was shockingly carb-loaded. These weird (yummy) sweet cheese breads I swore had simple syrup slathered all over them with what tasted almost like American Cheese.
Especially the US white bread which contains a carcinogen.
Which carcinogen?
Can't you read? "A" carcinogen. Doesn't matter which one!
/s
I don't know exactly, but it's one of the preservatives. It's banned in Europe.
How profound. Clearly, you have a lot of important things to say.
I said all of that in my other comment, replying to someone else.
Take care not to make statements so inaccurate they are effectively meaningless.
"US white bread" isn't a singular brand and most brands don't "contain[s] a carcinogen"...
You never mentioned what the carcinogen was. Probably because it would compromise your argument that "US white bread" as a whole contains it when it does not. (It's Potassium Bromate/Bromide (it's used interchangeably online sometimes), for those wondering.)
It's not limited to white bread in where it can be used. It was an additive to flour in general.
A lot of the fear mongering blogs, written by 'influencers' whose research consists of 10 seconds of Googling but not verifying a single fucking thing they write about, name brands that contain potassium bromate... but actually don't. Example: Wonder bread (https://wonderbread.ca/our\_products/white-bread-675g/) Chex Mix. Looking up their ingredients list shows the item in question is not used at all. https://www.chexmix.com/products/chex-mix-traditional/
TLDR: Think before you repeat vague, meaningless shit next time.
BTW, You should look into the horrors of Dihydrogen Monoxide.
My statement is far from meaningless. Mild carcinogens are still carcinogenic. Sure, a small dose as a one of will not cause problems short term, but long term build up is a thing.
Your link to Wonderbread is from Canada.
Chex Mix doesn't contain azodicarbonamide (I'm guessing this is the one we're talking about? I wouldn't be surprised if there are others), but it does use butylated hydroxytoluene, which is also classed as GRAS (Generally Recognised As Safe) by the FDA based on a study from 1979. Yet both chemicals have since been called into question for their links to cancer. From a cursory glance, azodicarbonamide has a more proven link, while butylated hydroxytoluene has yet to be properly studied and the link is questionable.
Too much dihydrogen monoxide can kill you.
Alcohol is also carcinogenic - more so than bread additives - but I'm definitely having some of that tonight.
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Only if you live in California!
Exactly lol.
But in all seriousness mild carcinogens are still carcinogenic.
I am extremely sure if you make a burger by yourself with good ingredients it will be just as healthy.
Beware of the added sugars in things that aren't supposed to have that much sugar.
wow that food pyramid propaganda really did a number on you all didnt it.
Edit: im talking about the meat and dairy industies lobbying too, not just bread
It seems odd putting meat in the same category as bread.
In terms of pure health, there's not much out there better than most meats. Yes, beef is a bit lower than pork and chicken, but properly portioned (looking at most of us Americans) it has very few downsides.
Bread on the other hand can be one of the worst foods we can eat. Of course, it is still all about moderation.
EDIT: Why the reddit-like downvotes folks? There's really no cohesive argument that puts meat below bread healthwise in most situations. If you want to avoid meat, avoid meat. If you want to be morally opposed to anyone eating meat, so be it. Facts are still facts and misinformation isn't the right way to fight that battle.
Bread can be healthy, just make sure it's wholegrain. Read meat is acosiates with bad health outcomes..
But yeah nobody is going to put a wholegrain bun on their hamburger.
Yes, bread can be healthy. The right one in moderation. The same as red meat (per your reference), actually :).
But 80/20 extra-fattened with liver for a delicious burger? Definitely not healthy (but like a candy bar, it's ok to have one every months or two)
Your "source" is one doctor speaking out against and entire study where the researchers found "low" evidence that either red meat or processed meat is harmful. That's not low health risks, or low percentage of affected individuals, but low evidence that here are any risks at all.
But yeah nobody is going to put a wholegrain bun on their hamburger.
Uhh. Why not? Whole Grain comes in all shapes and sizes now. Hell, most higher end restaurants use whole grain buns. Not sure why you would conclude that?
This makes me think you've never had a 100% wholegrain bread
Do you live somewhere in the world where it's hard to get? I rarely eat bread, but when I do buy from the store it's always 100% wholegrain. I just bought some a few weeks ago and there were plenty of different choices on the shelf.
No wholegrain is easy to get. Just nog as burger buns in a restaurant. I wasn't talking about bread in a supermarket
yeah people do its not uncommon here
The doctor in your link says processed meat is likely bad all around, presumably due to additives, but that red meat in lower amounts (specifically, he says "2-3 times a week" and to use red meat as a side, instead of a main) is actually associated with lower health risks.
Why?
I said it elsewhere. Basically, it combines low nutritional value with a high density pack of too-easily-digested carbs.
The effect is that it increases blood sugar and hunger, which very easily leads to higher weight. Higher weight alone is not immediately unhealthy, but it can get unhealthy pretty fast if you get heavier and heavier.
And the only objection is "well, better than sugar, so it's not THAT bad"... But we have a lot of added sugar in bread here in the US.
Well, they sure have necessary nutrients
i love the greatest source of carcinogens in an average diet 🤤🤤
Everything is a fucking carcinogen, get over it and eat an actually balanced diet with exercise
nah meat and dairy is kinda gross
Meat ?
Of course. The unhealthiness of food is an emergent property arising from the arrangement of their constituents components relative to each other. The next time you have a burger and want to be healthy, just take it apart! Taps head
In all seriousness, for anyone confused by this, whether or not something is healthy for you is all about quantities and ratios. Specifically, that of your diet as a whole, not of individual items. So while I don't agree with this sentiment, burgers can be considered unhealthy because:
I'm sick of people claiming calorie dense food is unhealthy. It's not. Calories are required for your body to function. An adult needs 2000kcal per day; whether they are spread out over 8 meals or 3 makes no difference. Eating the amount of calories of a hamburger every day is nothing special, especially if you do sports regularly.
This comment was made by the <20 BMI gang.
Only thing wrong with calorie dense food is that people eat too much. Guess you could add ignorance in there as well. Pretty shocking when you look at the numbers on the menu.
Not that people actually look. They got every excuse in the world for being fat, except the big one, placing calories in their mouth.
Coming from the >30 BMI gang, a lot of the food in the West (especially the United States but a lot of other countries are having this problem too) has a shit-ton of calories and very few other nutrients. That's the biggest problem with caloric density, when food has a lot of calories and no nutrients it encourages either obesity or nutrient deficits.
There are some foods while very caloric will give you a massive amount of what you need. Its important to not made them the villains too.
not mine 🙂
Are you a robot?
A robot powered by nicotine and aspartame.
Who's this? Snack from Metal Gear Solid?
Robots need calories too (just they usually eat "food" like batteries or gasoline)! Clearly they are a ghost. Or a Walking Dead zombie. Those things defied physics.
While I agree with your overall point, this isnt true. While there is still debate about the "best" frequency to eat meals in, its generally agreed upon you dont want to eat all of your daily calories at once as you overstress your gut and cant process it efficiently.
Additionally, eight ounces of steak might be lean. (It also might not, of course.) Eight ounces of hamburger, especially one from a fast food restaurant, is absolutely not lean beef.
I always thought it was the proportions that weren't healty. You get 50% bread, 50% meat, with a tiny slice of lettuce in the middle.
It's really not the burger that's unhealthy, but the fries and soda you get with them
Fries could be argued for, its the sugary soda that is the real issue. Sugar is absolutely terrible in large amounts frequently...
Absolutely this. Sure the fat and salt and lack of veggies isn't great for you, but the fries and soda is way worse.
The burgers are unhealthy too. With all the dressing, roasted onion, fatty cheese, oil, salt...
I'm fat by nature (and environment) so I have examined and tried many diets, and I think I can only say for sure a few thing about healthiness of diets:
So it's as easy as eating a balanced diet?
If it fits your macros bro
Indeed, though it's hard to get fatter on fat in absence of carbs or dairy
Becoming less fat? It's hard.
I cannot do it eating a low fat diet. I find portion control impossible, I get very hungry when I eat carbs
The only success I have had has been on very low carb diets, but they are hard to stick to long term. I found the only one I can do easily is "zero carb"
Ed. It's unbalanced - choose either:
If you eat balanced fat, carbs, protein then you will not be healthy
On the sugar note: Meat you buy in the store (for instance bacon) often have sugar additives. Better to visit the butcher.
Butchers won't save you from sugar in bacon, many bacon brine recipes call for sugar, but a butcher will be able to tell you what the bacon was pickled in
Raw, unprocessed meat (steak, chops, chicken) is generally fine
Ah didn't know that, thank you. I've just started to read the ingredients list on most of the products I buy from the store and realised I can't even buy ham or many other kinds of meat, because of the sugar additives that they syringe into it.
It's usually only water they syringe into meat - so they can sell a 1.5kg leg of lamb as a 1.7kg ;) but only if your food supply is really badly regulated
The sugar in bacon is from the brine it is soaked in; in ham it's from the glaze it was coated in before it was sliced - the sugar on sliced ham is all in the edge
Salami might have sugar to promote fermentation
Glazed sliced ham? No I'm talking a bout a big piece of meat without glace. I'm not in the states though so might be different there.
Sliced ham is cut from the big piece. And you're right, aside from Christmas, ham isn't usually glazed. I guess there's sugar in the pot when the ham is cooked, so I think my advice is right - the sugar will not have penetrated far
I guess I haven't thought much about sugar in smallgoods, as it was within the 20g allowance on keto (even with a bowl of salad) and now I'm on "zero carb" I don't bother with ham because it doesn't have enough fat
I'm also not in the states, g'day from Australia
What about protein? There's a whole other macro you can use to make up for calories with if you cut out carbs. Eating near exclusively protein probably isn't good for you, but you won't starve. From what I've seen there can even be a lot of advantages to eating a little more protein, especially if you're doing some strength training.
Protein is vital and is available on any kind of diet. Many vegetables, all meats, all fungi
Humans can either live on carbs or live on fats, in both cases we must also eat protein
Humans cannot (though cats can) live on protein, look up rabbit starvation. You will starve if you eat only protein, where eating only fat or only glucose will kill you much more slowly with vitamin deficiencies
Ratios and amount are the most important thing in healthy eating. For reference, vegetables should be more than half your food intake, the rest split between whole-grain carbs and protein (either meat or plant based) in order to be healthy. And we need to pay attention to how much total food we eat too since our monkey brains that evolved under extreme food scarcity don't do a good job of moderating nutrient input.
No I can't keep myself to that either.
White bread, cheese (at least not the one on burgers) and red meat aren’t exactly known as healthy foods. Definitely not in the proportions of a burger. Even more definitely not when you boil the meat in oil (often together with the onions).
Look my internal butter system carries oxygen to my cells that's why the doctor says I have IBS
She also is showing lean meat not 20% burger meat, it's just dumb.
Yeah, I've never understood why burgers are unhealthy if beef, grain, and vegetables are healthy.
First of all there's a huge gap between home made hamburger and, well, anything else tbh. Actually, let's expand it, there's a huge difference between home made anything and any other kind of food, be it restaurant or assembly line made.
Backing up a little though, if you make a hamburger at home, with lean good quality beef that you grind up yourself or ask them to grind it for you at the counter, lots of veggies and very little oil, on a home made bun or on actual bread (the kind made with flour, water and salt, that's it), then it's quite healthy. Still wouldn't eat it more than once a week since red meat yada-yada, but still, not that bad.
What you get at a fast food though is very low quality meat with lots of fats, dipped in other fats, sugar and spices to mask the flavor, processed bread, processed cheese, very little veggies and, usually, a side of french fries and a soda, which are a meal onto themselves. Let's take McDonald's, looking at their website a quarter pounder is 500+ kCal, the medium fries are 300+ kCal and a medium coke is 200+ kCal. That's 1000+ kCal for a "meal" full of fats, sugar and processed food. Also it's a huge spike in insuline which will lead you to a huge crash just a few hours later leaving you hungry and craving for more.
Restaurants are also a bit guilty of this. They tend to add much more fats than you'd ever do at home in order to drastically improve the flavor of their dishes. Can't even fault them for it, if I wanted a bland healthy meal, I'd have eaten at home. If I'm going to the restaurant it's because I want a great tasting dish. Ready made meals you can get at a supermarket are also full of fats, vegetable oils and preservatives in order to mask the shitty flavor.
So at the end of the day I'd say the best thing is to avoid as much as possible processed foods, avoid all take outs and deliveries, go out to eat maximum once a week and cook all your meals yourself starting with simple ingredients. It's not that hard either and cooking can be fun.
If you use lean beef to make a burger, you're Doing It Wrong™. Make the burger smaller or eat them less often if necessary, but don't go below about 20% fat.
More concretely, I recommend using brisket to grind for your hamburgers. It has the correct amount of fat, plus a whole brisket is among the cheapest cuts of beef you can buy.
My method is two or three ~1" cubes of beef then one 1" cube of pork belly, repeat. Hella juicy.
Hell yes.
My method is smoked pork bellies and hold the hamburger till next week. I'm a huge pork belly fan. I know they're horrible for me, but I don't eat em often.
Very helpful and interesting too!
Beef ain't healthy, White bread isn't either and don't forget, the McDonalds Cheesburger doesn't even have vegetables.
Well, there's a pickle.
And there are the people that open their cheesburger to remove it.
Yup. I am people
Hello people
Burgers aren’t inherently unhealthy, in moderation. The problem comes when you’re buying the burgers from fast food joints.
Because the stuff is heavily processed using a lot of sugar, saturated fats and salt. Also the gravy the meat is fried in. Also the poor quality of the meat, being made from god knows which scraps of the animal, that couldn't sell otherwise.
The grain/carbs is the unhealthiest part. The low quality fat is next.
I've thrown away all the carbs in my pantry and went from keto to now carnivore. My wife's diabetes is reversing and I've lost 35lbs this year!
Look, I'm not gonna tell you how to live your life, but you should consider eating some nuts and veggies. Your guts are going to fall apart if you eat nothing but meat, and you're simply not going to get enough nutrients. The entire carnivore diet is unfortunately pseudoscience and no different than other fad diets of the past.
Just balance your diet and you'll likely see many of the same benefits, but you'll a) have less negative impact on the environment and b) have fewer long term health issues down the line.
I thought it was a bad diet until I learned about it more from doctors and nutritionist showing the data from blood work. I get what you're saying that it's pseudoscience, sorry to be blunt, prove it. You haven't said anything I haven't heard already.
But medical experts have pointed out that there is absolutely no scientific evidence to back up these claims, pointing out that the diet could lead to vitamin deficiencies.
The carnivore diet has evolved from the keto and paleo diets, which eschew carbs in favour of protein and fat. Some followers of the lifestyle include fish, dairy products and eggs in their diets too.
Although there are health benefits to meat - it's a great source of protein, B vitamins, iron, zinc and magnesium - many nutritionists and dietitians have raised concerns that following the carnivore diet is unhealthy.
“I honestly think one of the biggest risks of the carnivore diet is colon cancer,” nutrition professor Rachele Pojednic told Lifehacker. “But we won’t have data on that for years to come (and this would also mean that someone needs to do a study on this diet, which I honestly don’t see happening).”
As the lifestyle advocates focussing on fatty meats, followers run the risk of raising their levels of LDL cholesterol, which can lead to an increased risk of heart disease and heart attacks.
“One thing you can't ignore is there are some nutrients you just can’t get from meat,” Harley Street nutritionist Rhiannon Lambert wrote on Instagram.
She explains that only eating meat deprives your body of folate, vitamins C and E, and fibre, which are all essential for good health: "that's why sailors used to get scurvy with not enough vitamin C in their largely fish diets."
What's more, subsisting on meat alone doesn't provide the body with fibre, which is essential to promote a healthy gut.
“Meat also tends to push the balance of our good and bad cholesterol (called HDL and LDL) towards the bad end,” the Re-Nourish author adds.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/carnivore-diet-plan-results-meat-only-fad-nutrition-health-warning-a8489266.html
Like some else said a balanced diet is important, minimize carbs but have at least some, also vegetables and some grains is good too. Your gut bacteria loves diversity.
People eat too much burgers
Real answer (since there's a lot of crap going around).
Grain really isn't that healthy in large quantities, but isn't bad. But if you grind it into flour and bleach out the bran and germ, it's far less healthy. When you bake it into a bread, you create this extremely high-density/high-calorie end product with very little nutritional value.
And beef, similar story. Beef is below-average on healthiness of meat (high cholesterol, though it's complicated the same as high-salt foods would be). But in a burger, you usually use especially fatty beef, like 80/20. Restaurants will sometimes supplement the fat in the beef with pork fat to make for an even tastier (and more unhealthy) burger.
Nobody will ever say that tomato, lettuce, or pickle on a burger are unhealthy.
Red meat is bad, white bread is bad, cheese is also shit. Also like others have said heavily processed
Beef, under no circumstances, is healthy. Raw beef, beautifully seared beef, ground beef, AAA Chuck Sirloin whatever, doesn't matter. Animal fats are linked to diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and cancer. The maillard reaction when you cook any meat at all is carcinogenic.
Can I get some sources? Im seeing opposing arguments about red meat being healthy or not in here and I'm seeing basically no sources.
Afaik the least healthy part of that is the grain. Most breads, aside from a handful of micronutrients, are pretty close to empty calories. The killer with fast food is the soda and fries, usually.
I think it's because of the quality of the ingredients. If you make a burger with homegrown vegetables and high-quality meat it would be healthy
Step one is to ask yourself what you think healthy means. Generally it's used as a catch-all by people to justify whatever shitty diet they have.
It's really only unhealthy if you're eating that every time you eat. And mostly what makes it unhealthy is the fat/lean ratio. Hamburgers usually use fattier hamburger. You can make them with leaner meat tho. They just don't taste nearly as good.
I've always been a proponent of full-fat products. Give me cream and I'll drink it! It is the sugar that I am wary of, even though it is so delicious!
Hamburgers use hamburgers
I have great news for you! It ain’t so!
Yogurt is an accepted and perfectly healthy snack, unless you put it in the freezer first, then its bad for you for some reason.
Unflavored Greek yogurt is great for you. Its the sugars and fructose they add that is bad for you.
It’s the heavy amounts pf processing and adding far too much sugar that does it.
Bin the bread bun and have the burger with a nice fresh salad and decent cheese and you’ll live longer and healthier.
Cheese isn't healthy. Ground beef neither. I couldn't think about anything healthy you could use as a burger sauce.
While cheese may not be healthy, it's not necessarily unhealthy either. It's got a good amount of protein, iodine, and b vitamins. All of which are very important and usually lacking in other foods (particularly the iodine and b vitamins). Are there options with similar nutrition that are better for you? Absolutely. But I wouldn't say it's necessarily bad for you either
Cheese is certainly not unhealthy. In addition to what you already listed it's also a good source for calcium.
you forgot the most important ingredients: salt, oil
From a certain point of view
I will not go...
Based on this thread I've decided that all food is bad for me.
Literally nothing is healthy about eating any part of a cow's flesh. Red meat is, entirely, bad for your health.
Is that really true? Guess it depends on what we define as healthy, but I would assume that eating varid is the way to go.
Yeah eating red meat every day is probably not good, but once a week or less might be ideal?
How could that possibly be true? We are omnivores and have evolved as such. There are many animals that only eat meat lol
You are wrong, eating meat and vegetables is natural for humans.