Shoes that dont wear out and start falling apart after a year?

hungry_freaks_daddy@lemm.ee to Asklemmy@lemmy.ml – 159 points –

After buying a $70 pair of Vans at famous footwear and having them literally fall apart after using them as daily walking shoes, I’ve realized the quality of shoes overall has gone down over the last decade or so.

I don’t mind if they cost $100 or more, are there medium-light weight walking shoes that can withstand the horrors of walking on pavement? I remember checking out some Ecco shoes at the mall years ago, didn’t pull the trigger as they were almost $300 but the way the construction was described to me it sounds like those could last 5+ years.

What shoes do you have that you wear almost daily (not during the winter), and have had for almost a year but aren’t falling apart?

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Topic I know about: I worked for ECCO corporate for about 7 years, and have a pair of Ecco shoes I made myself. I no longer work there.

A well fit pair of ECCO’s can last multiple years. They genuinely do try and make quality shoes and there’s a lot of work done to keep the materials and manufacturing processes producing high quality shoes.

That being said, any shoe made with a polyurethane sole (like ECCO and most shoes nowadays) will not last for a lifetime. Polyurethane is a great material but not a lifetime material. The only shoes which could qualify as buy it for life material are ones with leather soles, but they require occasional resoleing, so are a ship of thesus sort of affair. A pair of ECCO's lasting 5 years is a reasonable goal but not one always attained.

You say you were wearing them everyday - this will decrease the overall lifetime of a pair of shoes. Your feet sweat and the inside gets wet, the leather uppers benefits from being allowed to dry out. Conversely, any shoes you own with polyurethane soles must be worn occasionally (a few times a year minimum) or the soles will harden and then crack and fall apart when being worn. ECCO used to get a lot of angry feedback from customers that bought expensive dress shoes only to wear to a wedding once a year, and they fell apart after only having been worn 2-4 times. You are best owning 2-4 pairs of shoes that you rotate through day to day, this will extend the life of all of them longer, so you will spend less overall (but need to start by buying multiple pairs). I would get pairs from different companies so you can compare how long they last and which you find are most comfortable for your feet. Some other companies that are in the same price and quality range as ECCO would be Cole Haan, Clarks, Timberland and Rockport. One of them might fit you much better then Vans or ECCO or whatever.

Finally, a good fit is key. If the shoe is too small, or just not the right shape for your foot, then whatever part of the shoe your foot is pushing against will wear out much faster then the rest of the shoe. This is actually a problem I have with ECCO’s personally. My feet are wide just behind my toes, and my shoes always fail right there where my foot is stretching the leather more then elsewhere, earlier then they would if they fit me better. Seeing how I was getting free and/or deeply discounted shoes, I was ok with this.

Shoe manufacturers use a form called a “last” when they manufacture shoes, the last determines the shape and fit of the shoe. Different companies have different lasts based on their own research and goals for fit and the kinds of customers they’re targeting. It may be that Van’s uses a last shape that doesn’t match up with your foot shape very well. Perhaps ECCO's will fit you well, perhaps not at all.

If you’re in the US, ECCO runs sales every other month or so when the already on-sale shoes will be discounted another 30-40% (I just looked and they're having one now...). You can pick up a pair for $100-150 pretty easily. Usually around holidays at a minimum. Keep an eye out on their website, and get a pair pretty cheap during a sale. Or, check out of there is an outlet near you, the outlets have legitimately low prices, especially on the clearance wall, though usually those shoes are also ugly AF which is how they end up there.

Anyone has questions about shoe production or ECCO, I’d be happy to answer. They make pretty good shoes and run their own, non sweatshop factories, so I do recommended the shoes. Their US office is run by a few complete idiots though so I don’t recommend working there.

Great post.

I will add that I'm a long time Clarks buyer and I can wholeheartedly recommend them as well. Well made shoes (provided their layout fits your foot), comfortable (look for their models with cushioning soles) and long lasting. If you do what OP advised and rotate a few pairs they will last ridiculously long.

Please note that even if a brand's layout fits your foot and even if a pair seems to fit well, there may still be individual models that don't fit something. For example I am a "heel-stepper" and there are Clarks models where the rear edge would destroy my ankles if I were to use them. What I'm getting at is, either try them in person, or buy online from a shop with a good return policy.

I‘d generally advice against sneakers. If you want shoes that last, get some quality leather shoes, ideally Goodyear welted ones. When properly taken care of, they can last many years and can then be repaired. Also they will fit very well, after being broken in.

I remember checking out some Ecco shoes at the mall years ago, didn’t pull the trigger as they were almost $300 but the way the construction as described to me it sounds like those could last 5+ years.

It's nearly always a false economy to try to reduce the upfront cost of footware (and a tremendous number of other things)

The Sam Vimes boots theory of socioeconomic inequality is a famous quote about how over time the more "affordable" option is often costs much more than the "expensive" option whilst also being a worse experience.

The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money.

Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.

But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.

This was the Captain Samuel Vimes 'Boots' theory of socioeconomic unfairness.

– Terry Pratchett, Men at Arms

The problem is not all fifty dollar boots are equal. Some are ten dollar boots with nice packaging.

And some boots used to be good, but have since been bought out by Mike Ashley and run into the ground.

First, check out the various Buy It For Life communities here on lemmy:

!buyitforlife@slrpnk.net

!buyitforlife@midwest.social

My answer: I have a pair of Keen boots that I inherited from my late uncle. I don't know how long he has them, but they were already well-used when I got them. I've been wearing them for seven years, and while they're no longer waterproof, they're still sturdy.

Bought a 250 EUR pair of leather dress shoes, 5-6 years ago, they've undergone 2 resoles, but are still in good conditions while being my everyday shoes. You know Sam's vine theory on boots.

I tend to wear Ecco's (not crazy expensive ones, more in the 120-150€ range). I quite like them in terms of being strong and looking good enough. But I think they last me about 2-3 years.

Yea Love Ecco, too. They are pricy. But totally worth it. For 2-3 times the price you get shoes that last at least 2-3 times as long and are a hell of a lot more comfortable.

My decade old Red Wings shoes are still going with some minor maintenance. Their boots last even longer I've heard. For skateshoes I try to limit how many days a year I wear them and buy them on sale. Skate sole gum is make for grip not durability and isn't going to last long.

I wore the crap out of my pair of New Balance skate shoes, forgot the model. But they're still going strong. Ive biked with cages, walked, work construction, whatever, they're just dirty but they're still holding up.

Red Wing. Pricey, but they'll last forever. Made in the US too.

I second this. Have both a pair of boots and shoes. Even though I haven’t been good at keeping them the boots has lasted eight years by now, and the shoes three. The boots will need a resole at some point, but for now all that has broken is one of the shoelaces. Shoes just got dirty so far

I love my Altra road running shoes. My mother and sister (both work on-their-feet-all-day jobs) are also fans and can get at least a year out of their pairs. They’re sturdy and last about 300+ miles, and if you get a dud they’ll make it right. My sister once had a pair disintegrate after a couple months and got them replaced for free.

Altra is a bit like blue cheese, though: either you love them or hate them, and both sides think the other is wrong. People with narrow forefeet find them too squishy and unsteady; those of us with wider forefeet are comfortable for the first time ever.

Also, if your budget allows, it helps to get two pairs of shoes so you can alternate days. Especially if you live in a humid climate. By alternating two pairs of shoes so they fully dry between days, you get more than twice as much life from them. (Obviously that’s not an option for everyone, but it’s good to do if you can)

I cycle between 4 pairs of shoes in summer, two pairs of boots in winter, and one pair of all year shoes. I have had them all for over ten years. Tips:

  1. Buy Goodyear welted shoes
  2. Use shoe trees
  3. Don't wear the same pair two days in a row

I also prefer to buy shoes made in UK, Italy, or US but that is just preference for perceived quality and definitely higher paid workers than most countries that mass produce shoes.

If you want a specific recommendation go with Allen Edmond Strandmoks. That's my all year pair. Great shoes.

Use shoe trees Don’t wear the same pair two days in a row

People really underestimate how much better your footware lasts if you take care of it by cycling between a few pairs and providing good interior support when isn't in use.

Meanwhile I just wear the same pair of shoes for ten years or so until it starts to get holes in the toes, then get extreme anxiety at the thought of trying to find a new, suitable replacement.

Running shoes last 300-500 miles, and can last even longer if you're just walking in them.

Brooks' Gost 15 are my current pair and hold up more than a year.

Brooks Ghost is the best shoe that I have ever put on my foot

I was worried about spending so much when i bought mine, but damn, these are comfortable shoes and while fairly new, have lasted well so far.

Solomon shoes are expensive, but generally last a few years. They tend to blow out in the ankle first. Really comfortable too.

I've bought about five pairs of the waterproof Salomon trekking shoe models, wearing them daily I always got holes in the material after about one year.

I usually just get the normal ones. The waterproof ones are OK, but they make my feet really hot and sweaty after 5-6 hours.

I have some la sportiva shoes right now, that started falling apart at the 6mo-1yr mark. So annoying.

Find some "work" shoes. They're more comfortable, and they hold up much longer than a brand's regular wares. They're often sold as non-slip shoes.

https://reebokwork.com/
https://www.adidas.com/us/healthcare\_collection
https://www.puma-safety.com/us/en
https://www.newbalance.com/men/shoes/work-shoes/
https://www.skechers.com/technologies/collections/work-safety/
https://www.shoesforcrews.com/
https://www.timberland.com/en-us/c/timberland-pro/mens-footwear/work-shoes-10173
https://www.dsw.com/en/us/category/mens/shoes/work-safety

I've personally had some daily wear Skechers "work" shoes that after 5 years of comfortable wear, I finally had to replace the insoles, but they're otherwise still holding up as well as the day I bought them. Every pair of shoes I've ever owned long term have been "work" shoes. Shoes for Crews are pretty expensive, but I had a pair of them last long enough that I finally ditched them because they just looked old fashioned, they were otherwise still wonderfully intact.

Since my vans fell apart, I’ve been wearing my sketchers work shoes I bought for a job like 4 years ago. I didn’t wear them a ton but I’m wearing them to work daily now, they are still functionally new besides being dirty.

As a young punk I learned jumping and the general abuse of skateboarding destroys regular shoes. I don't skate nearly enough these days, but I still mainly buy Fallen shoes as they tend to be comfortable for walking+skating and don't just fall apart. I've had some pairs I actually grew out of and gave to my younger brother as they tend to be well made.

I've had good luck with DC and Emerica as well, Vans does make some thicker ones (as opposed to the Converse style) which I got good use out of.

Yea, skate shoes in general are pretty tough. I have a pair of vans that I have had around at least for a few years that are still completely usable to me. They have a small hole on the top of them, but I use them for skating and walking around town.

I'm wondering if their quality has gone down recently, or what. Vans skate shoes, especially the pro model ones, are pretty hard to wear down quickly from my experience. The only people I see that normally go through them quickly skate all the time.

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The YouTube Channel "Rose Anvil" is a leather worker and their entire channel is about shoes. They routinely take big brands and cut then in half to do an in-depth breakdown of their materials amd construction.

They made a video recently about a brand someone else mentioned in this thread.

They also have videos where they show their favorite shoes from the past year and what they like to wear personally.

What do you do that wore out a pair of Vans in a year? Every pair I've had has lasted 3+ years.

Mine got destroyed within 6 months of using. I walk a lot, bike from time to time with them, but never any extreme stuff. The stitching on the left sides of my shoes are practically gone, showing the insole from the outside... I guess it depends on which shoe you get from vans, since I am certain I've had pairs last longer than this.

What types of shoes? High tops? Canvas? Sneakers?

I recommend trying out shoes at REI, if there is one near you. Their return policy is better than any that I've ever encountered. Plus, as a member-owner cooperative, you get 10% of what you've spent back annually and a load of other perks.

I lost about 300lbs over a couple of years with walking being my primary form of exercise. I started with a couch to 10k program and for most of the time I was losing weight I was walking about 8 miles a day on sidewalks and paved walking paths. I had been wearing sketchers walking shoes for a while and they are very comfortable and good for light walking but would only last about 3 months while I was morbidly obese and walking that much. I went to a walking store and asked for recommendations and left with a pair of Saucony that I wore daily for almost a year. I've stuck with Saucony and since I weigh a lot less and have switched to an exercise bike for my primary cardio exercise my current pair is about 2 years old and still going strong. They have a much stiffer sole than the sketchers, new balance, or Nike that I have had in the past. I do still use Sketchers for hiking boots.

I also walk as part of the losing weight regimen and I use Columbia trail running shoes.

Not sure how available they are internationally, but Lowa shoes generally last quite a few years for me. They're focused on hiking and sports, but they have a few everyday models as well.

I’ve been happy with Merrells

I was looking for this. I bought mine of TY Maxx for stupid little money. I'm not the one caring for shoes a lot, but they still look pretty good in shape. I never thought barefoot shoes to be that sturdy. Unexpected plus side: barefoot shoes seemed to be what my feet needed. But they don't do me a favor to fool anyone me feet are unproportionally large for my body. They kinda look comically Goofy-esque. I still love 'em and they will be my first, but surely not last Merrells!

Came in here to rep for Merrel. Granted, I've only had them for about a year, but the Moab Mid 3 hiking boot is one of the best investments of my life. I needed to buy a pair of insoles for arch support, but after that it's been like walking on clouds. I ride my bike to work and they've held up through snow and torrential downpour. Can't recommend them highly enough

I scored a nice pair of Johnston Murphy’s at the thrift store well over a decade ago. Have worn them daily since then. I polish them a couple of times a year but otherwise am pretty hard on them. The sheepskin insoles wore out a couple of years ago so I sent them an email and they shipped me a new set along with some laces for free. Customer for life now. (Even though I’ve never actually spent anything other than $5 at the thrift store)

Handmade boots. Solovair has good ones. Also check out Varusteleka! They mostly have military / outdoor stuff but those are usually high quality.

IMO anything with that horrible foam (most shoes at this point) is going to last a year TOPS. In fact, running shoes with foam, are supposed to be limited to around 300 miles.

If you are talking about something like a half cab, that has the standard vans soles, yeah, I agree quality has gone down some (same with those new chuck 70s). They feel cheaper, and are made from far cheaper materials.

Personally, I have tons of shoes that are decades old, and still going, but I do not own any shoes with foam (mostly chuck taylors). And I'm apparently not very hard on shoes, somehow.

I think the unfortunate reality is you'll have to buy some expensive, high quality shoes, or expect to throw shoes out yearly.

There are companies like this one who claim to resole running shoes, but I don't know how far they can/do go, and have never used them before.

Just buy converse and you'll be wearing them in your coffin one day.

I would love to up vote you, but my black converse hitops have always fallen apart every year or two. Speaking of which... I need a new pair...

I've had a lot of success with an old second hand pair of reeboks. They are heavy and feel well made. I got them for £20 and show no signs of wear after medium use for about 9 months. My partners new reeboks got a whole in the sole after about 1 year. Second hand walking boots/trail shoes might also be a good idea. I think new shoes on the whole are just not made well, like most modern things, it seems to be about producing cheaply as possible so you have to keep buying new ones.

What model of Vans?

I mean they were the basic all black pair. $70 was way too much for them considering how fragile they were. There’s a skate shop that sells beefier ones but I don’t want a heavy shoe, I want something fairly light and a bit breathable.

I've had my indestructibles since 2019 and they're only weak in the soles.

Bought mine around 2020 and they lasted maybe 9 months before holes were forming in the toe area.

Bought Keens next and haven't had any issues. Last pair I put 4000 miles on them and the rubber covering the steel toe had worn a nickel sized hole, but otherwise they were still in great shape and fully functional.

I'm gonna have to look at those. The indestructibles are nice but the soles wear out way faster than the rest of the shoe. Got holes the size of my heels in both shoes and a toe hole in one. Thank you for mentioning Keens.

No problem. I walk ~14 miles a day at work and they hold up nicely. I put some Superfeet insoles in them when I buy them. Here's a pic of the old ones with ~18 months/4000 miles on them next to the same pair brand new. The old ones are still in working condition and have no real issues other than the cosmetic wear. Just wanted to get a new pair lol

The Johnston & Murphy XC4 line has become my go-to. They are not cheap, and the selection is limited, but the construction and versatility can't be beat.

I've had my oldest pair for over 4 years, with no functional degradation at all, and minimal signs of wear (minor creasing in the leather, hardly worth mentioning). They're casual and comfortable enough for everyday wear, and stylish enough for business events. Easily the best value in a shoe I've ever gotten.

I love Dr Martens, or Corsair who are actually better quality but the same style. A pair can last me a good few years and they're incredibly comfortable.

Nisolos hold up for me, my oldest are 5 or 6 years, have been resoled, look and feel better than ever. For dress and fancy casual they are good.

AFA running shoes Newtons are good but my feet are not wide - even converse hold up ok for me, the bottoms wear out eventually but the uppers don't tear.

For walking I wear Hoka - not lookers but comfortable.

My last pair of vans lasted about 3 months. I only skated in them like 2 times too.

For skate style shoes I'm a fan of Nike SB and Lakai. Anything over about $70 will generally last. My Nike Shane Premiums have walked all over Europe and are still in great condition.

I also recommend Vessi. They're waterproof, breathable, comfortable, and my wife and I wore them in all sorts of rough use cases and they are still going strong years later.

I've been wearing palladium shoes for years and they usually last at least 3 to 4 years

Try Salomon or Salewa. They make rugged shoes.. Might be overkill for pavement though

Yes, Salomon mountain shoes seem to last forever

Adidas ax series, not indestructible but good for 5+ years. I'm on my third pair and have been wearing these daily since ca 2008

Sketchers all the way. Went from breaking shoes every 6-7months to 5years.

I love sketchers, and I bought a pair of slip-ons I thought looked nice.

A few months at work later we responded to an assisted living place for 90+ year old man with cardiac issues. He was ... "crotchety", and kind of a dick. He was also wearing the exact same shoes I had bought.

I'm not sure how I feel about them now.

Im going to to make a few assumptions. 1) your male (or at least buy men's shoes). 2) your in the States. Adjust advise accordingly.

Your big mistake is two fold. One your buying shoes from a mall "discount" retailer and two your probably not rotating shoes.

Let's talk about that first part. Go into Nordstrom (if your not in the states look for the high end department store in your area). The reason is because the staff are trained in the product, and the return is amazing. Your going to be spending $2-400 on a pair of shoes. Talk to the sales person about what your looking for. Your goal is to not end up with a track shoe, but something made of leather with a real sole.

Secondly. You weigh a bunch compared to your shoes. Every step puts some level of stress on the sole(be it leather, rubber, foam, etc). When you lift your foot back up that stress is relaxed and quickly reapplied. Over time this can wear down your shoes. The trick here is to rotate your shoes so each pair has a day or two to "rest" before usage. This (In conjunction with buying good quality shoes) will result in you needing a new pair closer to every 5 years (longer if you get the soles replaced).

I'm pretty hard on shoes and have settled on Onitsuka Tigers as they seem to wear out less quickly than other similar sneakers like Stan Smith's, Vans, etc.

Other things like weight, gait, the angle of your feet, and mileage can factor in too. My sister has “flat feet” so her shoes get sort of squished to one side and break down faster.

I bought a pair of Ahinsa shoes in their Sunbrella material (embarrassingly expensive) that have lasted about 3 years as my daily shoes (work, errands, casual weekend stuff, local hiking). They still look great! The inner lining is starting to get some holes and I’m considering asking a local shoe repair person if it can be replaced. Unfortunately the company shifted to using mostly a vegan leather material that I have not tried but am skeptical of.

For the price ($250) it would be reasonable to buy 3-4 cheaper pairs that only last a year.

Have another look at Ecco's they're exactly what you're looking for. There are good models for 1-200 dollars that last for years and are great for putting city miles on. I got a pair about four years ago when I was commuting on busses and going through cheap shoes every couple months. They're still in great shape and clean up nice.

I used to recommend Ecco, but they are currently making the bank as they refuse to ramp down business in Russia. I'll never buy a pair again.

That doesn’t bother me so I’m going to still consider them. The pair I tried on fit better than any pair of shoes I’ve tried on.

The Peter Storm ones I got from Go Outdoors have lasted me a year so far, and I walk about an hour most days. Not bad for about £50 or whatever it was I paid for them. I was a bit dubious but they've lasted just as well as the £130 ones I had before.

My Scarpa ones were decent a few years back, but I bought another pair and some of the heel padding wore away almost immediately and blistered my feet every time I used them.

I used to buy Think! shoes in the Sale, but they've started using split leather now and they're not worth it anymore.

By walking shoes, do you mean sneakers? I never had this problem, but my New Balances and Onitsuka Tigers fared better than my Chuck Taylors... I'd recommend looking for chunky rubber soles as opposed to thin ones like

If you're open to boots and loafers and things, it's a whole other ball game. Look at brands like Meermin, which are well-made and resoleable, but you're worried about comfort, right? So let's focus on sneakers.

If you get welted shoes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9xSnu69Qtg) where the sole is mated to the upper - so if the sole wears out, then you can bring it to the cobbler to get a new sole. And they don't have to be expensive either - look for used shoes on ebay.

Have the same experience with my Vans. They're not even three months old, and already have holes in the top canvas...

I've been wearing Reebok Walk Ultra 7's for ~8 months and I haven't had any major complaints so far. The outsoles are wearing down as I expected them to, but they're wearing down slower than I expected, tbh, especially for how soft they are and how often I use them. And as someone with quite big feet, seeing a big, established footwear brand like Reebok make a good shoe I can actually wear (and not look completely like an off-brand New Balance) is nice.

I've also owned a pair of Airwalks with gum soles that held up quite well for walking around. In my experience, athletic and skate shoes with harder outsoles tend to last MUCH longer than a typical sneaker, and that pair of AWs had harder outsoles than any other shoe I've owned. That pair was made before the brand went out of business a few years back though so YMMV on their current lineup, though it seems they still have a handful of gum sole shoes available.

I have a pair of Bellville MiniMils that I wear every single day; I had the last pair for about three years, and I'm at about a year and a half on this pair. I work and hike in them (although I want to get nicer hiking boots, something like the VivoBarefoot Tracker). They are minimalist boots though, so if you don't already like and wear minimalist shoes, you're not going to like these.

Try Oboz. They're light hiking shoes. Got my last pair before the pandemic for $140. They're not waterproof anymore but still holding up well.

They are not light, but I usually buy work boots with steel toe and sole at someplace like homecenter. The ones with thicker soles made with good rubber and real leather can last a few years.

My current ones are redline branded (just some generic brand common where I live). They cost me about half of what a set of Brahma boots would and are just starting to go bad after 2 years, something punctured the sole up to the steel liner and I think it's starting to rust inside, since sometimes I can feel it move inside the sole. An old pair failed the same way a couple of months after stepping on a nail, that boot's steel plates started to move until one got loose enough to start poking on the side of the sole, but the ones that I've used besides those pairs usually last about 3 years of daily use with some occasional care to the leather to keep their appearance until either they start to look bad or the sole starts to wear to the end of the thread

I have hokas and brooks that have both held up well with daily wear.

I highly highly recommend Redbacks. Super comfy, and each one pair of mine has lasted ~7-8 years. They're pretty tough!

Doc Martens

Tbh feel like Docs have gone down in quality over the past few years, a pair of them wore out for me in 2 years when I was a Chef. Granted I was on my feet all the time!

Docs have this image of an honest and durable working boot, but now they're more like sneakers.

I've even had a pair where a big toe stuck right through the midsole into the air pocket. And this was a week after getting them.

You might have more luck with their "made in England" shoes, but in that price range there are other alternatives. If you like the look, check out Solovair.

Adidas Sambas. I've worn multiple pairs for close to a decade apiece. The soles eventually wear down but it takes several years. Haven't seen any signs of decreased quality on my newer ones.

Plus they've got that classic, timeless look. Imo

@hungry_freaks_daddy@lemm.ee I got some Nike air force that I purchased almost 5 years ago and have used to go to work. They seem a little worn out but are still fairly ok.
I have also purchased several pairs of second hand running shoes, they are all fine and I use them to literally run hundreds of miles.
So far so good with shoes in my experience.

Your shoes last a full year? I wear through the soles so fast I need to replace them about every 3 months (I find no difference in expensive or cheap shoes for this problem so I just buy the cheapest ones I can get).

Adidas ax series, not indestructible but good for 5+ years. I'm on my third pair and have been wearing these daily since ca 2008