Joe Rogan walks back RFK Jr. support after MAGA meltdown

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  • Joe Rogan, speaking Thursday on his podcast, said he preferred RFK Jr. for president.
  • By Friday, facing intense criticism from Donald Trump and his allies, the podcaster walked it back.
  • "I'm not the guy to get political information from," Rogan said in a social media post.
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"I'm not the guy to get political information from," Rogan said in a social media post.

One of the most accurate things he's ever said... but still not quite perfect.

"I'm not the guy to get political information from," Rogan said in a social media post.

FTFY

Isn't that his whole schtick? "Don't listen to me, folks. I'm just the meathead asking questions."

It was valid until he started spouting off anti-vaccine/covid shit. It went little cutesy honesty to a shield from criticism. Just like how the right treats 1A

This is exactly the point that I couldnt even listen to the geology/ultra-athlete/astronomy pods, which I really enjoyed listening to.

Once he couldn't shut up about vaccines even though it was clear that nobody cared, it was a chore to listen to anything that he said.

he wasn't even asking interesting questions to the interesting people anymore, he just had a very boring, pointless agenda to return his way to in spite of his guests.

I haven't listened to any jre since the pandemic was still in full effect.

I tried once last year with a guest I really wanted to listen to, but within 10 minutes he start ed saying something way more right-wing than he ever had before covid.

oh I remember, he was listing the crazy amount of trans athletes that had won all these sports, and I was like well that can't be true, and after checking, it was clearly not true according to the data.

did one trans weightlifter win one gold? Yes.

is one victory the statistical marker for trans athletes outperforming the other athletes in their field? Not at all according to the data we have.

and this wasn't even a sports guest, it was some completely unrelated field.

I listened to him, Joey Diaz, and Bill Burr for years. I stopped listening to Joe around 2015/2016 when he went from having interesting, maybe occasionally off-kilter folks, on for fun discussions where he listened, to asserting half baked opinions as facts and platforming people like Alex jones regularly. That second one is what really got me. Prior to 2015 or so I hadn’t really clocked how close they were and how often he had him on.

To really blow your mind, Jones directly attacked Rogan multiple times because he wouldn't bring him on his show again before he finally did and they were all buddy buddy.

Roe Jogan is a fucking moron, and I'm using that as a compliment.

I don't think he's ever had a plan - so while that's his schtick, I don't think it's like a smokescreen or anything. He's just some dumbass who wanted to start a show to interview interesting people and smoke weed. But, when you're interviewing fringe political figures, racists, snake oil salesmen, etc. you have a journalistic duty that Joe Rogan: dumbass, was not prepared for and didn't understand. Now he's in over his head. People take him seriously, and he agrees with some of the crazy people he's brought on because he's a dumbass

Yeah he is basically just JAQing off.

In fact, you're safe to believe the opposite of whatever bullshit this moron is spouting.

Joe rogan believes and supports whatever the last thing he heard

His only strongly held conviction is that he likes whatever it is you like

It's almost like it's his goal to get his guests to talk about their opinions. Shocking i know

When you seek out the shittiest of opinions to give them a massive platform, ehhhhhhh maybe not such a good idea chief

Who he chooses for guests is separate from how he behaves with the guests that show up.

Regardless of which guests he had, his job is to get them talking.

You weren't wrong but that's a completely separate issue

He's not the guy to get ANY information from. Backbone of an eclair, that one.

Many people will say "well, he's at least an expert on combat sports"

No, he's not really. Most MMA practitioners will say that while he helped legitimise the UFC, MMA in general, and the rise of BJJ his takes are often from a point of either company bias, or personal bias. He's got two black belts in BJJ and has experience in striking, but dude's old enough that he'd probably get annihilated by a young purple belt, and aside from TKD he's not completed in combat sports at a high level.

He respects it, and that's great to see, but IMO he's an example of the alpha male attitude that plagues combat sports.

The fuck after you talking about? His knowledge of mma has nothing to do with how well he can compete against other people at his age.

Your comment comes across as idiotic. Because it effectively says coaches arent worth the job they do because they are almost always people who couldnt or can no longer compete.

Such a dumb take. Theres plenty of reasons not to listen to Joe, stop making bad arguments to justify your opinions. Especially when your opinion isnt flawed ---> He respects it, and that's great to see, but IMO he's an example of the alpha male attitude that plagues combat sports.

...What the fuck are you talking about?

Coaching and analysing are two entirely separate things. Joe Rogan has coached, albeit loosely in striking, but that's got nothing to do with his role in the UFC. My point is that he is considered at a level that many others in the sport have long surpassed. There's a reason why someone like Michael Bisping can come in and do a much better job, despite having his own clear biases, and that's because he's fought at the highest level with an inclination of what modern MMA is.

My point isn't that he can't compete because he's older. It's that even in his youth he wasn't an elite-level fighter, outside of being great at TKD. While you don't need to be skilled to analyse, it's not like he's a skilled journalist or commentator either. Many in MMA don't value his opinion over journalists or skilled practitioners that have taken to analysis in retirement. He got the job through being famous and knowing about fighting before MMA was a thing, and now that it is a thing that people know a lot about, his gaps have been exposed severely.

Michael Bisping is an absolute bullshit artist when it comes to fight analysis or color commentary. Don't believe me? Go listen to him juice up Leon Edwards for five rounds while Belal Muhammad is busy beating the shit out of him, and clearly running the octagon. Every UFC analyst does it, and they are arguably getting worse as time goes on regardless of their experience level with fighting.

Eh, I didn't say that he was perfect, just that he's objectively better than Rogan is - especially when paired with Cormier (who I really like).

The Rocky comparison is a tricky one, because the man's crowning achievement is winning the title after being dominated and dragged back into the fight by his coach. I think the Belal fight surprised a lot of people, especially since Leon is no slouch on the ground. As a grappler myself I'm always going to back the wrestler, but I can see why Bisping would back Leon.

My issue with UFC above most MMA promotions is that it's becoming more and more like WWE with every passing year. I wonder sometimes if it's the commentators, or what they're being told to push by Dana and co.

My issue with UFC above most MMA promotions is that it’s becoming more and more like WWE with every passing year. I wonder sometimes if it’s the commentators, or what they’re being told to push by Dana and co.

We are definitely in agreement on this part.

Rogan is the great litmus test for our society. He's what a stupid person thinks a smart person is, just like how Trump is what a moron thinks a rich, successful person is.

So obviously such a complete dope grifter for anyone with an IQ greater than their shoe size, and yet he serves a purpose by being the standard of who should bother to talk to in life. If anyone you know says "you know, Joe Rogan said something interesting the other day...", well - then you know you can nod politely, and ignore everything that person saiys going forward.

Pulled a Rittenhouse.

Something something didn’t think the leopards would eat HIS face!

Only by pandering to the crowd can you still keep getting the likes, comments, shares you need to stay influential, so its the crowd that influences you. Your brand image — who the audience expects you to be — rarely stays in alignment with your ideal image — the person you want to be. By chasing the approval of others, you may, in the end, lose the approval of yourself.

This phenomenon is called audience capture, and it can have dire consequences...

https://marketingmemetics.com/essays/audience-capture

His $100m Spotify payday didn't reduce his natural instinct to whore himself shamelessly because it's not about the money, it's about endless submission and being a spineless lil bitch

It's mysterious how Spotify has so much money to give him, yet can't offer lossless audio or pay artists well.

Man. News Radio was so good. I wish Phil Hartman was still here.

It really is crazy how well that cast worked together. Even Andy Dick was tolerable!

We went to the tapings a few times and Joe would do the crowd warmup before the show. I remember him saying, "I just flew in from the Million Man March, and boy is my hatred of white people tired," and i think we should have seen maga coming. Off topic- we ran to our car that night because we were being chased by a man who was screaming, "hey, got any money?" That was kinda scary.

Ugh, that “joke” is terrible. I hope it went over like a fart in church.

You know how there are those celebrities which you've never heard a single bad thing about? Andy Dick is the opposite of that. I have never heard an anecdote from anyone who has met him which doesn't at least cast him as an asshole, and it's often more of a super creepy asshole.

Edit: But yes, News Radio was fantastic.

Can confirm. He kissed me on the mouth at a bar in the SFV. He was trying to embarrass me in front of his and my friends but didn’t like when i loudly proclaimed it to be like making out with a doormat that needed an altoid.

Pathetic “walking it back” followed by obnoxious remarks from a bad winner. Everyone involved is an embarrassing human being.

Arguably, a plate of beans negotiating their way out of a cows digestive tract makes more sensible commentary than Rogan.

It's almost like conservatives are just mealy-mouthed little bitches with no personal convictions.

I'm glad we agree on something, Rogan is definitely not someone to take political, or any, advice on.

  • "I'm not the guy to get information from," Rogan said in a social media post.

Fixed it!

Rogan seems the type that spouts strong opinions about everything and then doesn't even vote.

You know, like most of Reddit and Lemmy.

Well, he supported Bernie Sanders and even had him on his podcast.

I don't think he will go duopoly though, but who knows.

Many working-class are leaning Trump.

As someone who is far more left than their family, even though I love my family and I just want them to see the light, I have first hand experienced why. I live in WV fully of working class citizens of the state and it's all they know and it is even my step dad's whole entire world/life. From the time he lays down to the time he gets up it's like he is a contractor/manual labor worker all the time. We have had conversations about it the point it's all he says he thinks about his how he is going to die working but doing work he loves. His Christmas gifts have been working related, birthday dinners all he knows is cheap American buffets and fast food all to raise me, send me to college, take care of my mom, and raise my siblings and he is a good step father. He loves us all but he isn't without his flaws and his old ways and "tough love" mentality. He is an asshole to people who don't understand what he does and if they are idiots at work and a sweet loving guy who isn't abusive because, while he may never say it, was abused as a child and I think he wanted to change that.

I love my family and my step dad with all of my heart but man I really wish they would just step away from social media and the Trump train. I have never asked to change but we have talked about it countless times and I have always made it clear I could never have certain friends over or introduce them because they can't let go of their prejudice ways and I love my friends even more so than my family and seeing the positions they have been in before because they are black and gay it drives me to want to be around my family less and it's sad.

Anyways, if you made it this far. I can tell you first hand that the working class in closed off poor states are firm Trump supporters because of a variety of things but hearing first hand it always goes back to 1 thing. They are afraid of being replaced or having their hard work and their money be lost or unheard of. It's all they have and fear of losing all you have in a state controlled by rich men you will latch on to anything that could be the problem other than the "rich men that understand the working class" which they truly and honest to fuck don't. They listen to anyone who they think stands for them and those same people in power point fingers at the things they are afraid of and build hate and then hold my Step dad by the balls and take money out of his pocket all because he should be afraid of a Hispanic guy who also lived in a shit country getting paid minimal wage decided to come over and do the same in America only this time he is building the houses my step dad is. However, rich man points finger at the Hispanic guy saying he is the issue with lost jobs and the increase in drugs all while having no issues paying men to pay the Hispanic guy under the table for cheap labor and take advantage of the Hispanic guy.

The working classes issue is they don't know how to stop working or thinking about life and getting to know others outside of the work that has built them from a world where they have always had to work to live. They don't have time to think about the Hispanic guy or ask him hard his or her life must have been. They don't have time to save the money and leave a state that shields them or travel to another country because they either can't afford it or they are fearful it will be stolen or taken from them when they return. The working classes issue is they don't know how to just live life and it hardens the men and women from just opening up.

My step dad is a one of the best workers I have ever met and he works hard for his money and I love him with all of my heart but God damn it pains me to see him have to work so damn hard to live all while just living a life believing Trump is going to save his working class when the man doesn't give a shit about him or the working class because he has never known the working class.

Wow, great writeup and explanation of your experience within your family.

To keep it short, some of my friends and family are also on the Trump wagon because they think he will fix the economy and lower taxes for the working class.

They are young, and some have started their own families already. They are hard workers, only thinking about providing for their family while trying to enjoy life.

Thank you for taking the time to voice your thoughts!

Luckily more are leaning Harris.

It’s nice to see you go mask off though, I’m gonna screenshot this comment.