If you went back and warned everyone about 9/11 the day before, you'd be locked up in gitmo for decades.
Anonymous bomb threat
You'd probably still be locked up. Too many questions would come you couldn't answer without revealing you were a time traveller.
There is no answering! Make the call.. Leave
Thinking the feds wouldn't followup on a bomb threat especially when airplanes hit afterwards is wild.
2001 you could use a pay phone to stay anonymous.
You could walk in there and pull the fire alarm
I think you need to take the same approach as the British during WW2 with the Enigma. They could decrypt the messages and know when attacks would happen, but if they stopped every attack, the Nazis would know and change encryption device. So you need to accept that some people will die and only mitigate the disaster in small but impactful ways.
Like taking out seth macfarlane on a drinking bender on September 10th?
Yes.. Something like that..
I have 8 years to prepare to mine Bitcoin.
Also I can start making a name for myself as a prophet
Fuck that. Start mining. Don't say a fucking word to anyone. Don't go overboard on mining. Or if you do, use it/sell some of it early. The only reason bitcoin became popular is because people used it to buy stuff. If you start talking about how it's gonna be worth 80,000 in 10 years you run the risk that more people will hoard it and it won't be worth shit.
How about I just open a pizza shop near where it all started and take Bitcoin?
The Profit.
Plot twist, you bring covid with you
Incredibly probable
I need a writing prompt sub/community to get right on this one.
Maybe also an evolved strain of the pandemic h1n1 virus. And more evolved versions of other viruses, too. That covid will be more evolved than the original pandemic strain, also. It'll have the transmission increases and immunity avoidance while in the novel virus stage, so going back to warn about covid could instead make it happen earlier and much worse (instead of just earlier). Plus all the other pandemics on top of that, and in a time that is much less ready to pivot office work to wfh.
Time travelling scientists warned us about climate change almost a century ago and here we are.
What if it worked.
What if like dr.stranges 1/14million chances. This is the least caustic one.
inhales sharply
Don't violate causality, don't violate causality
Don't tell them about the event
meme character enters CDC office
Holds up one finger while channeling a spell with the other - to signal the 1 in 59 million futures or whatever
Everyone just stares weirdly because no one's seen Iron Man let alone Endgame
I'm gonna cause a time paradox harder now.
Yes hi I'd like to buy a bus ticket to Cincinatti, also where can I find a bulletproof vest that will fit a gorilla?
Just stop the dumbass kid from climbing over the railing. No vest needed.
Stop the dumbass mom from letting her toddler wander off by himself right next to a fucking gorilla enclosure
Stop the designers of the enclosure from not making it toddler proof.
We knew well enough that a pandemic was a realistic risk and had SARS-1 and MERS as warning shots but we're still not very well prepared at the outset of COVID.
Probably needed a better concept of a plan to replace it
Here you go, I knew I had one around here somewhere
The thing that pissed me off the most about his response is delaying the shutdown of air travel from China.
Bitch that's your thing, hating China.
Trump didn't make everybody stop wearing masks like a bunch of dipshits.
.. he literally did, though? He pushed mask bans every chance he got
Realistically, what could a single person do to prevent either 9/11 or the Covid pandemic from happening? Not much.
Now, the assassination of a certain person who wasn't in politics the time might do some good...
It depends on how far back you go and who you contact about he incident and the evidence to solidify the claim.
9/11 could have been stopped relatively easily with a few days notice to national security. The air force could have shot both planes out of the sky. Just call the civilian deaths a tragic casalty of terrorism and use it to help fuel the war. The twin towers could have been shut down that day.
But you've gotta materialize right in front of the commander in chief, bring a mountain of carbon datable evidence like news papers and original classified docs, and hope that you don't get brained on the spot before you make your case.
As for covid, you probably can't stop it but maybe better warn and prepare world governments so they can get their population ready through subtle conditioning like trying to get wearing mask be a fashon trend or advertising bidets heavily as the new rich yuppie thing to show as a status symbol.
Scientists have been talking about a big pandemic for years before Covid. Nobody cared. If I ever get to time travel, I'll use it for personal gain. That's the only way something good'll come out of it.
Lol when I read their comment I thought "Okay Biff Tannen"
Bringing evidence from the future is cheating. They wouldn't believe you if you told them the truth but if you say you are a terrorist and placed a bomb in the world trade center, they might evacuate it
Cheating? I didn't think there were rules covering time-based warfare. Damn. Wheres the fun if you can't cause some temporal paradoxes and get a few people stuck in Groundhog Day scenarios. Where's the freedom?
You dont notify the government directly, you notify the news desks of MSNBC, Fox, ABC and the major newspapers. Do it via express postage envelopes a few days out, include any publicly available info on hijackers, flight numbers and times.
The Government might ignore it as a hoax, but not if they know that the information has come via every major news outlet in the country. They have to act.
Trump actually ran for president under a third party in 2000
Yeah, but it never went anywhere and by 2001 he wasn't in politics again.
Call in a bomb threat for the 4 planes to the FBI.
Hoard a warehouse full of toilet paper and profiteer from it.
I dont know what to do about Covid though.
"Hey pentagon have you thought of ... downing those planes?"
Op 1, it was the pentagon's plan all along. 9/11 happens anyway. You die.
Op 2, pentagon's official spits his coffee, you prevent 9/11 but after that... can you really be trusted? You die.
Op 3, pentagon's official laughs at you, 9/11 happens. You can't be trusted. You die.
Prevent 9/11 probably unrealistic, but you could pull the fire alarm prior to the attack and thereby save lifes
With prior knowledge of the event and 2 weeks head start? You could do so much including the drastic actions that would result in less lives lost.
If you're going by the comic, you only have 1 day. 18 and a half years for Covid, though.
Fewer*
But what could you do without throwing your life away? Basically you would have to hijack a plane to increase security. Regular appeals by a person claiming to be a time traveler... might not be taken seriously.
You could potentially find the residences of the hijackers and just murder them.
IDK, 1 day is prob insufficient for finding and neutralizing unless you're Liam Nissan, John Dick, or Katie Holmes.
I always take time travelers seriously...
Hijacking a plane wouldn't be enough. Plane highjackings were nothing new. They were even common back in the 60's. Conventional wisdom was you cooperate with the highjackers. They have to land eventually.
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We had tin foil hat people back then too, people aren’t going to believe you
If you're a time traveller you could build up credibility with other things too. Start contacting a journalist with predictions of future headlines. Go back to October 2000 and say what's going to happen with Bush v. Gore. Then in like July 2001 meet up with them, explain that you're a time traveller which is how you know this, and show them the video.
some of the crazies will follow you, but you’re still not getting anywhere
Go to the cops and prove you are from the future. Get there a few days early with the lottery numbers on a piece of paper or smth. That might get them to take you seriously. Of course they will never let you go back.
How would you get the numbers for a lottery that was 23 years ago?
covid for sure, but one guy with a smuggled knife could have a pretty good chance of stopping at least one of the planes
Just call with a bomb threat, they take that shit seriously and it would have emptied planes and buildings. Call the PD and threaten both towers, the pentagon, and the airport.
They wouldn't buy the attack on the Pentagon. I can't see a scenario where you could threaten the military central of the US that somehow it was endangered from within or outside.
The airport would be a better bet back then.
Sell your Enron stocks immediately!
There’s a game around time travel called Quantum Break that brings up this topic.
Someone brings detailed messages to their past self…and acknowledges, as a way of proving it, that September 11 is going to happen - but due to the way time works, no matter who they warn or what they say, no one will believe them and nothing will change.
I don’t even know if everyone read that bit of text lore ingame, but it was pretty emotional.
That's because she knows stopping the planes won't stop the towers coming down. /s
ooo self drawn very nice
I am Iron Man
i dont get it
Check the date on the paper. One day before 9/11
Technically, 9/11 is every year, silly
Only leap years
The time traveler is trying to save lives, and compared to covid 9/11 isn't even a blip on the radar.
It's implied that in the process of trying to warn people about covid, she inadvertently caused 9/11
Or that younger people simply have no memory of, and were not (or don't realize) affected by, 9/11.
If you went back and warned everyone about 9/11 the day before, you'd be locked up in gitmo for decades.
Anonymous bomb threat
You'd probably still be locked up. Too many questions would come you couldn't answer without revealing you were a time traveller.
There is no answering! Make the call.. Leave
Thinking the feds wouldn't followup on a bomb threat especially when airplanes hit afterwards is wild.
2001 you could use a pay phone to stay anonymous.
You could walk in there and pull the fire alarm
I think you need to take the same approach as the British during WW2 with the Enigma. They could decrypt the messages and know when attacks would happen, but if they stopped every attack, the Nazis would know and change encryption device. So you need to accept that some people will die and only mitigate the disaster in small but impactful ways.
Like taking out seth macfarlane on a drinking bender on September 10th?
Yes.. Something like that..
I have 8 years to prepare to mine Bitcoin.
Also I can start making a name for myself as a prophet
Fuck that. Start mining. Don't say a fucking word to anyone. Don't go overboard on mining. Or if you do, use it/sell some of it early. The only reason bitcoin became popular is because people used it to buy stuff. If you start talking about how it's gonna be worth 80,000 in 10 years you run the risk that more people will hoard it and it won't be worth shit.
How about I just open a pizza shop near where it all started and take Bitcoin?
The Profit.
Plot twist, you bring covid with you
Incredibly probable
I need a writing prompt sub/community to get right on this one.
Maybe also an evolved strain of the pandemic h1n1 virus. And more evolved versions of other viruses, too. That covid will be more evolved than the original pandemic strain, also. It'll have the transmission increases and immunity avoidance while in the novel virus stage, so going back to warn about covid could instead make it happen earlier and much worse (instead of just earlier). Plus all the other pandemics on top of that, and in a time that is much less ready to pivot office work to wfh.
Time travelling scientists warned us about climate change almost a century ago and here we are.
What if it worked. What if like dr.stranges 1/14million chances. This is the least caustic one.
inhales sharply
Don't violate causality, don't violate causality
Don't tell them about the event
meme character enters CDC office
Holds up one finger while channeling a spell with the other - to signal the 1 in 59 million futures or whatever
Everyone just stares weirdly because no one's seen Iron Man let alone Endgame
I'm gonna cause a time paradox harder now.
Yes hi I'd like to buy a bus ticket to Cincinatti, also where can I find a bulletproof vest that will fit a gorilla?
Just stop the dumbass kid from climbing over the railing. No vest needed.
Stop the dumbass mom from letting her toddler wander off by himself right next to a fucking gorilla enclosure
Stop the designers of the enclosure from not making it toddler proof.
We knew well enough that a pandemic was a realistic risk and had SARS-1 and MERS as warning shots but we're still not very well prepared at the outset of COVID.
We were prepared for COVID until Trump threw away the plan. https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/17/the-art-of-the-pandemic-how-donald-trump-walked-the-u-s-into-the-covid-19-era/
Probably needed a better concept of a plan to replace it
Here you go, I knew I had one around here somewhere
The thing that pissed me off the most about his response is delaying the shutdown of air travel from China.
Bitch that's your thing, hating China.
Trump didn't make everybody stop wearing masks like a bunch of dipshits.
.. he literally did, though? He pushed mask bans every chance he got
Realistically, what could a single person do to prevent either 9/11 or the Covid pandemic from happening? Not much.
Now, the assassination of a certain person who wasn't in politics the time might do some good...
It depends on how far back you go and who you contact about he incident and the evidence to solidify the claim. 9/11 could have been stopped relatively easily with a few days notice to national security. The air force could have shot both planes out of the sky. Just call the civilian deaths a tragic casalty of terrorism and use it to help fuel the war. The twin towers could have been shut down that day.
But you've gotta materialize right in front of the commander in chief, bring a mountain of carbon datable evidence like news papers and original classified docs, and hope that you don't get brained on the spot before you make your case.
As for covid, you probably can't stop it but maybe better warn and prepare world governments so they can get their population ready through subtle conditioning like trying to get wearing mask be a fashon trend or advertising bidets heavily as the new rich yuppie thing to show as a status symbol.
Scientists have been talking about a big pandemic for years before Covid. Nobody cared. If I ever get to time travel, I'll use it for personal gain. That's the only way something good'll come out of it.
Lol when I read their comment I thought "Okay Biff Tannen"
Bringing evidence from the future is cheating. They wouldn't believe you if you told them the truth but if you say you are a terrorist and placed a bomb in the world trade center, they might evacuate it
Cheating? I didn't think there were rules covering time-based warfare. Damn. Wheres the fun if you can't cause some temporal paradoxes and get a few people stuck in Groundhog Day scenarios. Where's the freedom?
You dont notify the government directly, you notify the news desks of MSNBC, Fox, ABC and the major newspapers. Do it via express postage envelopes a few days out, include any publicly available info on hijackers, flight numbers and times.
The Government might ignore it as a hoax, but not if they know that the information has come via every major news outlet in the country. They have to act.
Trump actually ran for president under a third party in 2000
Yeah, but it never went anywhere and by 2001 he wasn't in politics again.
For the curious, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_2000_presidential_campaign
Call in a bomb threat for the 4 planes to the FBI.
Hoard a warehouse full of toilet paper and profiteer from it.
I dont know what to do about Covid though.
"Hey pentagon have you thought of ... downing those planes?"
Op 1, it was the pentagon's plan all along. 9/11 happens anyway. You die.
Op 2, pentagon's official spits his coffee, you prevent 9/11 but after that... can you really be trusted? You die.
Op 3, pentagon's official laughs at you, 9/11 happens. You can't be trusted. You die.
Prevent 9/11 probably unrealistic, but you could pull the fire alarm prior to the attack and thereby save lifes
With prior knowledge of the event and 2 weeks head start? You could do so much including the drastic actions that would result in less lives lost.
If you're going by the comic, you only have 1 day. 18 and a half years for Covid, though.
Fewer*
But what could you do without throwing your life away? Basically you would have to hijack a plane to increase security. Regular appeals by a person claiming to be a time traveler... might not be taken seriously.
You could potentially find the residences of the hijackers and just murder them.
IDK, 1 day is prob insufficient for finding and neutralizing unless you're Liam Nissan, John Dick, or Katie Holmes.
I always take time travelers seriously...
Hijacking a plane wouldn't be enough. Plane highjackings were nothing new. They were even common back in the 60's. Conventional wisdom was you cooperate with the highjackers. They have to land eventually.
Nobody anticipated suicide highjackers.
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We had tin foil hat people back then too, people aren’t going to believe you
If you're a time traveller you could build up credibility with other things too. Start contacting a journalist with predictions of future headlines. Go back to October 2000 and say what's going to happen with Bush v. Gore. Then in like July 2001 meet up with them, explain that you're a time traveller which is how you know this, and show them the video.
some of the crazies will follow you, but you’re still not getting anywhere
Go to the cops and prove you are from the future. Get there a few days early with the lottery numbers on a piece of paper or smth. That might get them to take you seriously. Of course they will never let you go back.
How would you get the numbers for a lottery that was 23 years ago?
covid for sure, but one guy with a smuggled knife could have a pretty good chance of stopping at least one of the planes
Just call with a bomb threat, they take that shit seriously and it would have emptied planes and buildings. Call the PD and threaten both towers, the pentagon, and the airport.
They wouldn't buy the attack on the Pentagon. I can't see a scenario where you could threaten the military central of the US that somehow it was endangered from within or outside.
The airport would be a better bet back then.
Sell your Enron stocks immediately!
There’s a game around time travel called Quantum Break that brings up this topic.
Someone brings detailed messages to their past self…and acknowledges, as a way of proving it, that September 11 is going to happen - but due to the way time works, no matter who they warn or what they say, no one will believe them and nothing will change.
I don’t even know if everyone read that bit of text lore ingame, but it was pretty emotional.
That's because she knows stopping the planes won't stop the towers coming down. /s
ooo self drawn very nice
I am Iron Man
i dont get it
Check the date on the paper. One day before 9/11
Technically, 9/11 is every year, silly
Only leap years
The time traveler is trying to save lives, and compared to covid 9/11 isn't even a blip on the radar.
It's implied that in the process of trying to warn people about covid, she inadvertently caused 9/11
Or that younger people simply have no memory of, and were not (or don't realize) affected by, 9/11.