I was singing to my daughter when she was around that age and told me to stop singing. I asked why and she told me, because you can't
3 year olds are brutal. Sweet and innocent, with opinions based on little, and zero tact.
My two year old's best friend is a three year old... Jfc it's like watching innocence and insanity play together. I love her friend but damn she's brutal. While my girl is still a bit too small to be hurt or angry about mistreatment and lets so much slide. And in a year my forgiving two year old will be this intimidating mess.
My mother didn't even bother singing to me. She knew better. She's almost completely tone deaf.
Ahahaha. Love it
least brutal 3-year-old/freshly born.
I'm imagining toddlers growing up to hate their parents' music taste, because they already fucking hated it when they played it to them when they were a fetus in utero.
The dad hyped up "fuck yeah I'm gonna teach this kid to love Slayer because I'm playing it to him now when they're in there!". And then they hate it like "THIS IS WHAT THAT SHIT WAS, I HATED IT ALL THE FUCKING TIME, FUCK YOU!"
My kid's going to listen to In Utero, in utero, whether they like it or not.
Like there was for a while the whole "Play Mozart/Beethoven to your kid in the womb and they'll be smarter" and shit - there's no way everyone universally likes classical music. I know several older people who don't enjoy music at all, which just seems bizarre.
It's not like every kids gonna pop out and be like "That Mozart's Requiem was some shit, man! Play it again!".
It's also a fucking dumb approach to making the kid smart anyways. You don't need a high iq to appreciate classical music, and there is nothing inherently intelligent about listening to music
There is evidence listening to music in your native language is good for language development. Probably any pop music is more educational than classical music to a baby.
I can believe that. I have an immigrant friend that learned English because of Taylor Swift
Yeah well dumb people will try dumb ways to magically make their dumb kids smart. Wicked smaht. We played them Mozart 24/7 so they'd be smaht and look at him. So smaht. And the kid grows up to be an insomniac serial killer who grew dissecting any animals they got their hands on.
Music wasn't always so easily accessible as it is now. I think really only the radio was something everyone would have access to. If you had vinyl, CDs etc then you were at least somewhat musically inclined and some folks would just not be and never really get into it or invest in getting their own music. Not that they would literally never hear or listen to music but it wasn't one of their hobbies. Compared to today where we all have access to music on demand and it would be weird if you don't have at least some preferences or something.
Young kids do not have the mental capacity to differentiate between "I learned something new" and "I always had this opinion". They are simply incapable of the former position.
There are psychology experiments with children that show this effect, it's pretty wild.
Yeah chilhood is insane and super interesting the way we process information and emotions and the weird reality we've just been dragged into.
I would sing my daughter Johnny Cash in NICU. She loves it now. Best part is the chords tend to be easy if she wants to learn to play, or if I ever want to learn LOL
If she ever expresses an interest, maybe even without, buy a guitar and learn with her. Like you're teaching, but you're actually learning with her. Bonding x1000. You can both sing or take turns if it's too difficult to play and sing from the get-go.
Oh just because I don't know how to play doesn't mean I own a few guitars haha. She is set if she ever decided to play
Oh haha, perfect. You have a ukulele? I highly recommend one even just for you if you want to learn. There's something weirdly inoffensive and less threatening about a uke that it's easier to approach while it's literally just a mini guitar with four strings. I've played guitar since I was under 10 years old and I have half a dozen guitars, but I find myself playing most on these tiny, cute guitars. Like you have a minute till the water's boiling, you can just grab it for a second and chuck it back on the corner of the sofa. Like you're not "really playing" - you're just killing time, but you actually are.
Also just the fact that it has less strings literally makes it less difficult and you can still play it like a guitar. I kind of hate this trend that everyone plays it like they're on vacation in Hawaii, because it literally is just a tiny guitar. It's the perfect starter guitar.
I don't have a Ukulele, just an acoustic guitar I inherited from my grandma and another hybrid acoustic electric that I paid a decent chunk of change for... I also have two violins (don't ask why) Ukulele sounds like a good thing, I often play around with the guitars when I am bored or want to annoy my wife.
Is the finger positioning easier on a Ukulele? That's what I have the most trouble with, I don't have long fingers, so getting all the strings pressed firmly is challenging.
I'd say it's easier, already because there are less strings so the amount of fingers needed and frets to press are less. Like you can play an E minor chord with just one finger on one string. The standard tuning is like the highest 4 strings of a normal guitar. I'd say the size can make it softer on the fingers as well. Other than that it's literally just a tiny guitar. Plus you van get one for pocket change or even a decent one for less than a 100€/€. Also because it's so small you can take it literally anywhere.
It's already bought...(I have an addiction to collecting instrumenta for some reason) got a cheap starter for like $70. I am pumped for it to come in. I feel like there is a chance I could play some basic things on it after researching the chords adjustment and some tabs for certain songs. Perfect timing because my daughter just had an operation, so now she can hear sound perfectly, where before it was muffled.
At what age do you start them? She isn't 2 yet, so probably some time.
Haha perfect. Glad she can hear now. But lol yeah, maybe a little early to start.
Honestly I wouldn't know really, I think it's all kind of subjective. My nephews started expressing interest anywhere from 4-12 years old. Exposure can/will help though usually. The nephews and nieces that saw and heard me or my BIL play more got interested earlier. A ukulele is kind of automatically in an open tuning so you can just strum or pick the strings without even doing anything with the fret hand and it sounding nice can encourage them to learn more - when you can just make something that sounds nice with minimal effort it will make it easier to apporach. I didn't even teach them any chords at first. Just kind of show like, how much you can do with just going up and down one string with even just one finger can make something that sounds nice. Kids are still developing the muscles their fingers and motor functions, just like adults who don't play or use their fingers in such a way, but I think it might be even harder for kids. I can remember a hundred times I almost gave up be cause it was just too hard physically to hold the chords, especially on an oversized classical guitar for tiny child hands.
Like you can even try for yourself. You don't even need to tune the uke differently, just strum the open strings and then go up and down a basic scale on the highest pitched (E) string (on the bottom of the neck): 0-2-3-5-7-8-10-12 frets, in different variations and find a melody. You don't need to do anything with any other string, just strum the open strings along with that one string. Just as an example. From there just expand the same mentality to other strings and start using more fingers. Too much theory can kill any interest very quickly and personally I think it's such an ass-backwards way to approach music. Like learning grammar and how to write before learning to speak.
Oh I agree with basically everything you wrote. If my parents had just bought me a guitar earlier in life, instead of doing it when I was almost a teenager and pushing me into classic lessons. I hated everything about those lessons.
I am hoping my daughter will have a vastly different experience, then I had.
Sounds like she's already off to a better start even before starting then! Hope you both have fun learning and sharing the love for music.
I didn't even have a teacher, I just had a couple of books, and thought that was the only way to learn so I pushed myself to strain my hands and my head to figure it out because I really wanted to learn and it really fucked my hands up for decades leading to further and further problems with advancing. After over two decades I finally corrected my hand position and well, ergonomy and everything became so much easier. Problems I wouldn't have had if I'd had proper teaching or even a proper instrument for my tiny hands. Carpal tunnel is no fun, especially when the number one thing you want to do is play. If only someone had told me the things I know now.
Forcing my fetus to listen to cbat. Fuck you little shit. You going to hate me, ill give you something to hate me for!
I read this as "listen to chat" and decided that twitch has gone too far
Fetus listens to TTS, but I abort every time chat talks about Logan Paul
Add a thumbnail of a cut-through, sad looking Logan Paul, a dead baby, the streamer face-palming and the LOL emote. Easy 20 million views
That's baby making music.
Fucking cbat. Lmao
This is as inhumane as it is inappropriate.
Ah, new prologue to "Making a Murderer" just dropt
Your child will grow up to be a sad clown.
That's just animal abuse.
The original You Are My Sunshine had something ridiculous like 48 verses many of which have been lost and it went on for twelve minutes. Though I forget where I read that, and I can't find it again, so it may have been some kind of weird fever dream.
That's not a song that should be sung to kids
People should sing whatever songs they want to their kids. Kids understand that the lyrics aren't necessarily supposed to be taken literally or even applied to them; kids just like the attention and how relaxing it is to listen to the most comforting voices they know sing songs that they love.
My wife sang our kids "You Are My Sunshine" and "Puff the Magic Dragon." I sang them love songs, break-up songs, songs about death, and everything in between. The only difference in our day-to-day life and personalities is that they are developing great taste in music and that I spent much more time singing to them than I would have had I been bored to tears singing "appropriate" songs.
Me: you are my sunshine...
My kid: I'm a star?! That makes no sense, what even is your stupid song.
And moreover, I'm YOUR star? What is this capitalist bullshit, should everyone have their own star now, can't we just share 1 absurdly massive pile of hydrogen? Damnit, wish I was born in the East. Bunch of loonatics here.
Meanwhile in the East - What te fuck mom.. WHO do you say is our frickin' star..?
I've only ever heard the first part sung. The second verse being sad feels more like a fun fact to me than anything.
The third verse seems like a thinly veiled threat to me:
I'll always love you and make you happy,
If you will only say the same,
But if you leave me to love another,
You'll regret it all some day.
Damn, that song is vicious and exactly what a baby needs to hear to be ready for the world.
It's clearly about romantic love. Don't think that's right
Really?
The first verse:
The other night, dear
As I lay sleeping
I dreamt I held you in my arms
But when I woke, dear
I was mistaken
So I hung my head and I cried
I always took it to mean the person is mourning the loss of a loved one and they dreamed they were still alive.
Also, I once heard that this song was about a horse named Sunshine. 🤷♂️
It goes on like this:
You told me once, dear, you really loved me
And no one else could come between
But now you've left me and love another
You have shattered all of my dreams
So it's really about a break up
But maybe they broke up with a horse, don't judge.
That's nothing. Have you heard about the song we song to babies about them falling to their death out of a tree?
Yeah alright, a three year old already knows to hate. Yeah.
Bruh, have you never met a child? Hate is one of the first things kids learn.
At three, I hated lots of things. Girls, Brussels sprouts, wasps, Darth Vader, and taking baths.
I'm glad you had such a sheltered life.
But how did you feel about sand?
I love it! It exfoliates my feet, I use it to make little sand castles and other sculptures, and it cleans off of my stuff with just a little spray of water!
Could this have been at all motivated by spite of Darth Vader?
Could be, as I had, and still have, a giant ceramic Vader 'lamp' that scared the fuck out of me as a kid, hence the hate, and not just because he's a dick in Star Wars.
Granted that would mean I was clairvoyant as a kid, given that the hatred of sand wasn't known until 20+ years later. MAYBE I AM FORCE SENSITIVE!
Look at this rich kid wasting water, where did they raise you, on Naboo?
Wait, you guys remember when you were three?
Just today my 3yo has hated: dance class, her sister, and carrots.
She loves them now though. They're a fickle bunch.
Carrots are many a childs' first scathing hatred.
Her dance class or the carrots?
A bunch of dance classes is too much for a 3yr old. No wonder they hate'm
At 3, I already had a kid I hated. I know this because apparently I saw him one day, made sure to point him out to my parents and blatantly told them I hate him. At least that's how my mom tells it.
3 yo me was right to hate that kid. From age 3 to senior year, that kid was a Grade A douchebag.
Yeah, generally. Is 'terrible twos' a saying in your area? It is in mine. Toddlers suck.
I was singing to my daughter when she was around that age and told me to stop singing. I asked why and she told me, because you can't
3 year olds are brutal. Sweet and innocent, with opinions based on little, and zero tact.
My two year old's best friend is a three year old... Jfc it's like watching innocence and insanity play together. I love her friend but damn she's brutal. While my girl is still a bit too small to be hurt or angry about mistreatment and lets so much slide. And in a year my forgiving two year old will be this intimidating mess.
My mother didn't even bother singing to me. She knew better. She's almost completely tone deaf.
Ahahaha. Love it
least brutal 3-year-old/freshly born.
I'm imagining toddlers growing up to hate their parents' music taste, because they already fucking hated it when they played it to them when they were a fetus in utero.
The dad hyped up "fuck yeah I'm gonna teach this kid to love Slayer because I'm playing it to him now when they're in there!". And then they hate it like "THIS IS WHAT THAT SHIT WAS, I HATED IT ALL THE FUCKING TIME, FUCK YOU!"
My kid's going to listen to In Utero, in utero, whether they like it or not.
Like there was for a while the whole "Play Mozart/Beethoven to your kid in the womb and they'll be smarter" and shit - there's no way everyone universally likes classical music. I know several older people who don't enjoy music at all, which just seems bizarre.
It's not like every kids gonna pop out and be like "That Mozart's Requiem was some shit, man! Play it again!".
It's also a fucking dumb approach to making the kid smart anyways. You don't need a high iq to appreciate classical music, and there is nothing inherently intelligent about listening to music
There is evidence listening to music in your native language is good for language development. Probably any pop music is more educational than classical music to a baby.
I can believe that. I have an immigrant friend that learned English because of Taylor Swift
Yeah well dumb people will try dumb ways to magically make their dumb kids smart. Wicked smaht. We played them Mozart 24/7 so they'd be smaht and look at him. So smaht. And the kid grows up to be an insomniac serial killer who grew dissecting any animals they got their hands on.
Music wasn't always so easily accessible as it is now. I think really only the radio was something everyone would have access to. If you had vinyl, CDs etc then you were at least somewhat musically inclined and some folks would just not be and never really get into it or invest in getting their own music. Not that they would literally never hear or listen to music but it wasn't one of their hobbies. Compared to today where we all have access to music on demand and it would be weird if you don't have at least some preferences or something.
Young kids do not have the mental capacity to differentiate between "I learned something new" and "I always had this opinion". They are simply incapable of the former position.
There are psychology experiments with children that show this effect, it's pretty wild.
Yeah chilhood is insane and super interesting the way we process information and emotions and the weird reality we've just been dragged into.
I would sing my daughter Johnny Cash in NICU. She loves it now. Best part is the chords tend to be easy if she wants to learn to play, or if I ever want to learn LOL
If she ever expresses an interest, maybe even without, buy a guitar and learn with her. Like you're teaching, but you're actually learning with her. Bonding x1000. You can both sing or take turns if it's too difficult to play and sing from the get-go.
Oh just because I don't know how to play doesn't mean I own a few guitars haha. She is set if she ever decided to play
Oh haha, perfect. You have a ukulele? I highly recommend one even just for you if you want to learn. There's something weirdly inoffensive and less threatening about a uke that it's easier to approach while it's literally just a mini guitar with four strings. I've played guitar since I was under 10 years old and I have half a dozen guitars, but I find myself playing most on these tiny, cute guitars. Like you have a minute till the water's boiling, you can just grab it for a second and chuck it back on the corner of the sofa. Like you're not "really playing" - you're just killing time, but you actually are.
Also just the fact that it has less strings literally makes it less difficult and you can still play it like a guitar. I kind of hate this trend that everyone plays it like they're on vacation in Hawaii, because it literally is just a tiny guitar. It's the perfect starter guitar.
I don't have a Ukulele, just an acoustic guitar I inherited from my grandma and another hybrid acoustic electric that I paid a decent chunk of change for... I also have two violins (don't ask why) Ukulele sounds like a good thing, I often play around with the guitars when I am bored or want to annoy my wife.
Is the finger positioning easier on a Ukulele? That's what I have the most trouble with, I don't have long fingers, so getting all the strings pressed firmly is challenging.
I'd say it's easier, already because there are less strings so the amount of fingers needed and frets to press are less. Like you can play an E minor chord with just one finger on one string. The standard tuning is like the highest 4 strings of a normal guitar. I'd say the size can make it softer on the fingers as well. Other than that it's literally just a tiny guitar. Plus you van get one for pocket change or even a decent one for less than a 100€/€. Also because it's so small you can take it literally anywhere.
It's already bought...(I have an addiction to collecting instrumenta for some reason) got a cheap starter for like $70. I am pumped for it to come in. I feel like there is a chance I could play some basic things on it after researching the chords adjustment and some tabs for certain songs. Perfect timing because my daughter just had an operation, so now she can hear sound perfectly, where before it was muffled.
At what age do you start them? She isn't 2 yet, so probably some time.
Haha perfect. Glad she can hear now. But lol yeah, maybe a little early to start.
Honestly I wouldn't know really, I think it's all kind of subjective. My nephews started expressing interest anywhere from 4-12 years old. Exposure can/will help though usually. The nephews and nieces that saw and heard me or my BIL play more got interested earlier. A ukulele is kind of automatically in an open tuning so you can just strum or pick the strings without even doing anything with the fret hand and it sounding nice can encourage them to learn more - when you can just make something that sounds nice with minimal effort it will make it easier to apporach. I didn't even teach them any chords at first. Just kind of show like, how much you can do with just going up and down one string with even just one finger can make something that sounds nice. Kids are still developing the muscles their fingers and motor functions, just like adults who don't play or use their fingers in such a way, but I think it might be even harder for kids. I can remember a hundred times I almost gave up be cause it was just too hard physically to hold the chords, especially on an oversized classical guitar for tiny child hands.
Like you can even try for yourself. You don't even need to tune the uke differently, just strum the open strings and then go up and down a basic scale on the highest pitched (E) string (on the bottom of the neck): 0-2-3-5-7-8-10-12 frets, in different variations and find a melody. You don't need to do anything with any other string, just strum the open strings along with that one string. Just as an example. From there just expand the same mentality to other strings and start using more fingers. Too much theory can kill any interest very quickly and personally I think it's such an ass-backwards way to approach music. Like learning grammar and how to write before learning to speak.
Oh I agree with basically everything you wrote. If my parents had just bought me a guitar earlier in life, instead of doing it when I was almost a teenager and pushing me into classic lessons. I hated everything about those lessons.
I am hoping my daughter will have a vastly different experience, then I had.
Sounds like she's already off to a better start even before starting then! Hope you both have fun learning and sharing the love for music.
I didn't even have a teacher, I just had a couple of books, and thought that was the only way to learn so I pushed myself to strain my hands and my head to figure it out because I really wanted to learn and it really fucked my hands up for decades leading to further and further problems with advancing. After over two decades I finally corrected my hand position and well, ergonomy and everything became so much easier. Problems I wouldn't have had if I'd had proper teaching or even a proper instrument for my tiny hands. Carpal tunnel is no fun, especially when the number one thing you want to do is play. If only someone had told me the things I know now.
Forcing my fetus to listen to cbat. Fuck you little shit. You going to hate me, ill give you something to hate me for!
I read this as "listen to chat" and decided that twitch has gone too far
Fetus listens to TTS, but I abort every time chat talks about Logan Paul
Add a thumbnail of a cut-through, sad looking Logan Paul, a dead baby, the streamer face-palming and the LOL emote. Easy 20 million views
That's baby making music.
Fucking cbat. Lmao
This is as inhumane as it is inappropriate.
Ah, new prologue to "Making a Murderer" just dropt
Your child will grow up to be a sad clown.
That's just animal abuse.
The original You Are My Sunshine had something ridiculous like 48 verses many of which have been lost and it went on for twelve minutes. Though I forget where I read that, and I can't find it again, so it may have been some kind of weird fever dream.
That's not a song that should be sung to kids
People should sing whatever songs they want to their kids. Kids understand that the lyrics aren't necessarily supposed to be taken literally or even applied to them; kids just like the attention and how relaxing it is to listen to the most comforting voices they know sing songs that they love.
My wife sang our kids "You Are My Sunshine" and "Puff the Magic Dragon." I sang them love songs, break-up songs, songs about death, and everything in between. The only difference in our day-to-day life and personalities is that they are developing great taste in music and that I spent much more time singing to them than I would have had I been bored to tears singing "appropriate" songs.
Me: you are my sunshine...
My kid: I'm a star?! That makes no sense, what even is your stupid song.
And moreover, I'm YOUR star? What is this capitalist bullshit, should everyone have their own star now, can't we just share 1 absurdly massive pile of hydrogen? Damnit, wish I was born in the East. Bunch of loonatics here.
Meanwhile in the East - What te fuck mom.. WHO do you say is our frickin' star..?
I've only ever heard the first part sung. The second verse being sad feels more like a fun fact to me than anything.
The third verse seems like a thinly veiled threat to me:
Damn, that song is vicious and exactly what a baby needs to hear to be ready for the world.
It's clearly about romantic love. Don't think that's right
Really?
The first verse:
I always took it to mean the person is mourning the loss of a loved one and they dreamed they were still alive.
Also, I once heard that this song was about a horse named Sunshine. 🤷♂️
It goes on like this:
So it's really about a break up
But maybe they broke up with a horse, don't judge.
That's nothing. Have you heard about the song we song to babies about them falling to their death out of a tree?
Yeah alright, a three year old already knows to hate. Yeah.
Bruh, have you never met a child? Hate is one of the first things kids learn.
At three, I hated lots of things. Girls, Brussels sprouts, wasps, Darth Vader, and taking baths.
I'm glad you had such a sheltered life.
But how did you feel about sand?
I love it! It exfoliates my feet, I use it to make little sand castles and other sculptures, and it cleans off of my stuff with just a little spray of water!
Could this have been at all motivated by spite of Darth Vader?
Could be, as I had, and still have, a giant ceramic Vader 'lamp' that scared the fuck out of me as a kid, hence the hate, and not just because he's a dick in Star Wars.
Granted that would mean I was clairvoyant as a kid, given that the hatred of sand wasn't known until 20+ years later. MAYBE I AM FORCE SENSITIVE!
Look at this rich kid wasting water, where did they raise you, on Naboo?
Wait, you guys remember when you were three?
Just today my 3yo has hated: dance class, her sister, and carrots.
She loves them now though. They're a fickle bunch.
Carrots are many a childs' first scathing hatred.
Her dance class or the carrots?
A bunch of dance classes is too much for a 3yr old. No wonder they hate'm
At 3, I already had a kid I hated. I know this because apparently I saw him one day, made sure to point him out to my parents and blatantly told them I hate him. At least that's how my mom tells it.
3 yo me was right to hate that kid. From age 3 to senior year, that kid was a Grade A douchebag.
Yeah, generally. Is 'terrible twos' a saying in your area? It is in mine. Toddlers suck.
Okay