You gotta stop counting total users. Only active users should be counted. We know there's utterly massive numbers of bots being created. Plus people have multiple accounts from trying out different instances even if they'll only use one.
But the bot + duplicate account numbers keep going up and I really like exponential growth
True. I've created at least 4, myself.
People love vanity metrics, though.
Look, I’ve quit Reddit because fuck spez, and now have confirmation bias that needs answering. Just…let me have this.
True, I have 9 accounts so far between instances... I don't think I'll make anymore I'm quite comfortable now, but yeah, I inflated the stats. Sorry..
Good to see, but as with all posts like this, it’s important to note that the really important number is “Active Users” That number has gone up significantly as well, just not as fast as number of accounts.
What's considered an "Active User"?
A person who posted/commented in the last 30 days
From the docs: "Lemmy also shows counts of active users for your site, and its communities. These are counted within the last day, week, month, and half year, and are cached on starting up lemmy, and every hour.
An active user is someone who has posted or commented on our instance or community within the last given time frame. For site counts, only local users are counted. For community counts, federated users are included."
I've posted more in the week I joined here than I ever did in Reddit.
So 1 time?
maybe wee_butterfly didn't retain memories from when was a wee_caterpillar
Just checked. Yup, one post. Still helping the fediverse in my book.
Yeah this is a good point.
It took me months to actually start using Lemmy and Mastodon. I would consider myself a tech savvy person and it still took a while getting used too. I think there need to be better tutorials linked on the sign-up pages that help people understand the basic concepts. That would help drive true user acquisition.
I'm also a "tech savvy" and still trying to understand how all this works...
Yup, came here to say that as well. it's al bots. The active users graph is much more realistic.
And I've been seeing some...odd looking.... comments recently from users at instances known for being mostly bots. Some of these comments really look AI generated, and have a suspicious number of upvotes.
Yeah theres no way lemmy instances that were struggling to scale 2 weeks ago with a few thousand users active are supporting 2.5mill suddenly
How much is bots tho
My spez comic got over 1.5mil views advertising Lemmy yesterday and at least #12 on r/all so I'm hopeful they're not all bots too :P
You sir are a legend
Thank you for the compliment.
i've only been on the platform for a few days but i've noticed a decent uptick in content and unique posts. probably still a lot of bots but with a decent surge of users and people getting a handle on the platform there's been a good bit of activity.
yea track the monthly active users number. It continues to go up. And on lemmy, to be "active", a user actually has to post, not just sign in and lurk.
Conversely, kbin doesn't really track active users, so it's more or less the same as total users.
I'm enjoying sitting here with popcorn and watching Reddit burn. It's like viewing someone destroy their company in real-time.
WE LIVE BABY
Spez gettin sweaty
arms are heavy
Mom's forgetty
Mom's spaghetti
wow! look at those bots go! go speed racer!
Just wait until Apollo/RIF/etc actually go dark!
The web app wefwef.app is actually a really great alternative to apollo for lemmy! I'm using it right now on android, and while it does feel weird with the ui differences it has gestures and the same interface and generally feels really good.
I'm waiting for when I open sync for reddit and see a link to sync for lemmy
Yeah once the first hits we're gonna see a huge spike in users. The growth right now is just from people who deleted their accounts in protest on the 12th.
I stopped "protesting" once it was obvious that reddint doesn't care. I'll obviously stop using the site once they cut me off though.
Are any of these accounts bots?
Or maybe how many of these accounts are bots?
Are they all bots?
Around 95% accounts are bots. Around 90% if we are positive and assume that a lot of redditors joined since the bot farming started.
Thats seems bad. I know some bots are hepful. But 1 million bots seems like they for something nefariously.
Like trying to keep people on reddit?
Or just too generally troll the fediverse.
Yeah, I hope that people farming them are just trolling the fediverse and don't plan on using them.
Lol trolling is bad. A bot army could make things miserable here.
So what are the Bots doing? Who created them and why?
I don't understand the purpose of bots.
Currently nothing but once activated they may start spamming stuff everywhere. Owners can decide what gets upvotes and what gets downvotes which gives you a lot of power on a platform where downvotes/upvotes mean everything.
Still don't get it - someone makes a comment, bots upvote it so it gets seen by more people. Not really going to change the world.
Sure, but do you like ads that masquerade as posts? Because if you do then you'll love the delicious taste of Diet Coke, grab one today! (16900 upvotes)
They don't want to change the world. They want to let you know about hot singles in your area
I'm no bot and joined 6 days ago :)
Welcome friend.
Yes unfortunately but lemmy is still growing
I'm going to link my comment because I don't want to rewrite it for everyone I reply to where it is relevant
good to see but hope the bots can be purged at some point.
Man, so much has changed. Glad I made the switch to Lemmy.
Yeah I just found out about this project/the fediverse, been looking for several weeks for the best replacement to Reddit and this is by far the most promising. Also, as a self-hosting enthusiast, I'm liking this place more and more by the minute. With any luck increased visibility will continue to push activity & content. Power to the people.
It'll take a while for the volume to trickle down to the smaller more niche communities, but I have already seen the volume increase tremendously in the large ones. Let's enjoy the ride.
Is that why it takes 5 minutes to load a page?
Misinformation, everything is working fine!
It's not misinformation. This is the first time I've been able to get the site to load all day and it's still crawling, though intermittently less and less.
Switch instances
Do I have to re-register if I do that?
Yeah, there's no option to migrate your account yet but it's in plans I think. And if it's notnin the plans yet then it will be at some point because a lot of people really want it.
Thank you, and understood. I just made another account at infosec.pub, but I'm not trying to splinter too much. I also noticed that when viewing this thread from infosec.pub, there's a delay on what appears. It took about 30 minutes for some of the replies that are here to appear when viewed from there. Is that normal between instances?
But lemmy.world seems to be working just fine to me. It is your instance, isn't it? You may have got some transient problem, or have a problem on your side.
Lemmy.world was my instance when I said it was taking 5 minutes to load pages. For hours this afternoon, I couldn't get it to load at all. Now it's loading semi-fast. No other websites were giving me issues when I was having these problems. Non-US user if that makes a diff.
lemmy.world is swamped with users at this point. But wait after they have updated to 0.18 - much better imho.
Yeah, after I wrote that comment I saw many more people complaining about slowness earlier today.
It's normal for me right now, but it's common that the performance varies from one place to another. But if you found some other instance that is consistently faster, that's great.
Are these real people or bots? So far lemmy and the fediverse have been great experience I like it and won't go back to reddit. Hope it's real people and we can enjoy this new fresh start!
I'm a new person that joined within the last few days, so they're not all bots, that's for sure.
That’s what a bot would say!!
beep bop boop...
I am too a human who enjoys conversing with other humanoids. I am new but let me say to you I am very flesh blood fellow person.
Look at the graph and the uptick in activity. Note that on June 8, Reddit's u/iamthatis posted Apollo's intent to shut down.
I’m enjoying it so much more with the app development. Devs trying to accomplish the goal of instilling the feeling of Apollo for us refugees coming. I just needed useful communities, with posts that people reply to with more and more information. Reddit still defeats lemmy there but I’m hoping it changes a bit.
gas gas gas
Yes we can!
Yes We Can!
-this post brought to you by the Yes We Can! bot
It shows 50,000 active users per day compared to 2,500,000 total users per day. Most of the difference, presumably, is dormant bot accounts. If they were all activated and started posting one day, they could probably bring the network down.
I'm confused though by the active comments per day being about 100 times the active users per day. Surely users are not commenting 100 times per day on average. Is there something wrong with how the comments are being counted?
The posts count also looks a bit odd, since it means active users are making more than 10 posts a day on average. That seems implausibly high.
“average user posts 100 times per day" actualy just statistical error. average user posts 0 times per day. Feddi Georg, who lives in cave & posts over 10,000 each day, is an outlier adn should not have been counted
That and some of the active users are also bots. Lemmit.online is a good example; that community is set up to harvest content from Reddit via RSS and then Bots post it into the community. Other users (including bots) can then cross post it to other parts of the Threadiverse. "Lemmit.Online Bot" has made 20.1k posts in 7 days.
I wouldn't be surprised if there are also hyperactive comment bots out there too.
It’s still an average. The mean average precisely. The modal average is most likely zero but the median average is probably greater than zero.
50k active users is still pretty damn good growth. Weren't we at like 40k just a week or so ago?
Also, average comments per day was rising fast but as of today it has suddenly slowed down? I'm guessing there must be some kind of bug in the system
Apollo user coming over from Reddit
These are some really great stats and I'm loving it :D
//\
Yet it feels like an echo chamber. My local community I created had 3-4 posts per day until 2 days ago. Now zero people are posting lol
That’s generally not what people mean when they use the term “echo chamber”.
Eh, still won't hear any dissenting opinions
Even the bots migrated from Reddit.
Huzzah!
And now that I’m in the beta for Limbo / Liftoff, I’m loving it. The web experience was not great for me on mobile.
Servers still seem slow though. Posting a comment is slow. Loading images is slow. But I’m not going to complain about that when this kind of explosive growth is happening. Keeping things up at all is impressive.
Agreed, I know there's arguments about bots and such in this thread but this is all good news. If we have these problems, it means we're doing something right.
can't wait to see how all of this evolves.
Me too Mr. Darth Bueller
Bwhahahaha love it. Is this AI or is it from a movie or something?
This is Ai, I use it on unique or funny usernames because why not. :P
No shade thrown, very fun! Thanks!
Let's GO!
(Lemmy.world) server:
Please stop posting this stuff. We're sick of it and we know it doesn't really mean anything. Thank you.
That being said, shout out to the self-hosted crowd! Look at the graph for number of servers!
Haha oh yeah, can't deny that's cool as hell.
Though it does highlight that it would be nice to have some kind of estimate of actual humans using the system.
Speak for yourself. I enjoy analyzing the posts and discussing the growth. It brings up discussions of what stats are better to look at to analyze user growth, how to handle the growth, and what if any moderation/sign up workflows should be implemented. Go be a hater somewhere else.
You gotta stop counting total users. Only active users should be counted. We know there's utterly massive numbers of bots being created. Plus people have multiple accounts from trying out different instances even if they'll only use one.
But the bot + duplicate account numbers keep going up and I really like exponential growth
True. I've created at least 4, myself.
People love vanity metrics, though.
Look, I’ve quit Reddit because fuck spez, and now have confirmation bias that needs answering. Just…let me have this.
True, I have 9 accounts so far between instances... I don't think I'll make anymore I'm quite comfortable now, but yeah, I inflated the stats. Sorry..
Good to see, but as with all posts like this, it’s important to note that the really important number is “Active Users” That number has gone up significantly as well, just not as fast as number of accounts.
What's considered an "Active User"?
A person who posted/commented in the last 30 days
From the docs: "Lemmy also shows counts of active users for your site, and its communities. These are counted within the last day, week, month, and half year, and are cached on starting up lemmy, and every hour.
An active user is someone who has posted or commented on our instance or community within the last given time frame. For site counts, only local users are counted. For community counts, federated users are included."
https://join-lemmy.org/docs/contributors/07-ranking-algo.html
I've posted more in the week I joined here than I ever did in Reddit.
So 1 time?
maybe wee_butterfly didn't retain memories from when was a wee_caterpillar
Just checked. Yup, one post. Still helping the fediverse in my book.
Yeah this is a good point.
It took me months to actually start using Lemmy and Mastodon. I would consider myself a tech savvy person and it still took a while getting used too. I think there need to be better tutorials linked on the sign-up pages that help people understand the basic concepts. That would help drive true user acquisition.
I'm also a "tech savvy" and still trying to understand how all this works...
There was a pretty big jump in active instances, too!
Active daily user count is about 50k.
Daily active users is a much more reliable statistic due to bots
Source: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats
Yup, came here to say that as well. it's al bots. The active users graph is much more realistic.
And I've been seeing some...odd looking.... comments recently from users at instances known for being mostly bots. Some of these comments really look AI generated, and have a suspicious number of upvotes.
Yeah theres no way lemmy instances that were struggling to scale 2 weeks ago with a few thousand users active are supporting 2.5mill suddenly
How much is bots tho
My spez comic got over 1.5mil views advertising Lemmy yesterday and at least #12 on r/all so I'm hopeful they're not all bots too :P
You sir are a legend
Thank you for the compliment.
i've only been on the platform for a few days but i've noticed a decent uptick in content and unique posts. probably still a lot of bots but with a decent surge of users and people getting a handle on the platform there's been a good bit of activity.
yea track the monthly active users number. It continues to go up. And on lemmy, to be "active", a user actually has to post, not just sign in and lurk.
Conversely, kbin doesn't really track active users, so it's more or less the same as total users.
Yes
hot singles in your area
Where!?
In your area. They already said.
Can they be in my volume instead?
+1, just joined the party.
First post, post-Reddit 🥴
I'm enjoying sitting here with popcorn and watching Reddit burn. It's like viewing someone destroy their company in real-time.
WE LIVE BABY
Spez gettin sweaty
arms are heavy
Mom's forgetty
Mom's spaghetti
wow! look at those bots go! go speed racer!
Just wait until Apollo/RIF/etc actually go dark!
The web app wefwef.app is actually a really great alternative to apollo for lemmy! I'm using it right now on android, and while it does feel weird with the ui differences it has gestures and the same interface and generally feels really good.
I'm waiting for when I open sync for reddit and see a link to sync for lemmy
https://lemmy.world/c/syncforlemmy
Yeah once the first hits we're gonna see a huge spike in users. The growth right now is just from people who deleted their accounts in protest on the 12th.
I stopped "protesting" once it was obvious that reddint doesn't care. I'll obviously stop using the site once they cut me off though.
Are any of these accounts bots?
Or maybe how many of these accounts are bots?
Are they all bots?
Around 95% accounts are bots. Around 90% if we are positive and assume that a lot of redditors joined since the bot farming started.
Thats seems bad. I know some bots are hepful. But 1 million bots seems like they for something nefariously.
Like trying to keep people on reddit?
Or just too generally troll the fediverse.
Yeah, I hope that people farming them are just trolling the fediverse and don't plan on using them.
Lol trolling is bad. A bot army could make things miserable here.
So what are the Bots doing? Who created them and why? I don't understand the purpose of bots.
Currently nothing but once activated they may start spamming stuff everywhere. Owners can decide what gets upvotes and what gets downvotes which gives you a lot of power on a platform where downvotes/upvotes mean everything.
Still don't get it - someone makes a comment, bots upvote it so it gets seen by more people. Not really going to change the world.
Sure, but do you like ads that masquerade as posts? Because if you do then you'll love the delicious taste of Diet Coke, grab one today! (16900 upvotes)
They don't want to change the world. They want to let you know about hot singles in your area
I'm no bot and joined 6 days ago :)
Welcome friend.
Yes unfortunately but lemmy is still growing
I'm going to link my comment because I don't want to rewrite it for everyone I reply to where it is relevant
https://lemmy.world/comment/548294
Thanks for the reply!
And I totally agree.
About 2.45 million of the 2.5 are, yes.
As i suspected.
good to see but hope the bots can be purged at some point.
Man, so much has changed. Glad I made the switch to Lemmy.
Yeah I just found out about this project/the fediverse, been looking for several weeks for the best replacement to Reddit and this is by far the most promising. Also, as a self-hosting enthusiast, I'm liking this place more and more by the minute. With any luck increased visibility will continue to push activity & content. Power to the people.
It'll take a while for the volume to trickle down to the smaller more niche communities, but I have already seen the volume increase tremendously in the large ones. Let's enjoy the ride.
Is that why it takes 5 minutes to load a page?
Misinformation, everything is working fine!
It's not misinformation. This is the first time I've been able to get the site to load all day and it's still crawling, though intermittently less and less.
Switch instances
Do I have to re-register if I do that?
Yeah, there's no option to migrate your account yet but it's in plans I think. And if it's notnin the plans yet then it will be at some point because a lot of people really want it.
Thank you, and understood. I just made another account at infosec.pub, but I'm not trying to splinter too much. I also noticed that when viewing this thread from infosec.pub, there's a delay on what appears. It took about 30 minutes for some of the replies that are here to appear when viewed from there. Is that normal between instances?
Yes.
But lemmy.world seems to be working just fine to me. It is your instance, isn't it? You may have got some transient problem, or have a problem on your side.
Lemmy.world was my instance when I said it was taking 5 minutes to load pages. For hours this afternoon, I couldn't get it to load at all. Now it's loading semi-fast. No other websites were giving me issues when I was having these problems. Non-US user if that makes a diff.
lemmy.world is swamped with users at this point. But wait after they have updated to 0.18 - much better imho.
Yeah, after I wrote that comment I saw many more people complaining about slowness earlier today.
It's normal for me right now, but it's common that the performance varies from one place to another. But if you found some other instance that is consistently faster, that's great.
Hopefully Lemmy continues to grow
Are these real people or bots? So far lemmy and the fediverse have been great experience I like it and won't go back to reddit. Hope it's real people and we can enjoy this new fresh start!
I'm a new person that joined within the last few days, so they're not all bots, that's for sure.
That’s what a bot would say!!
beep bop boop...
I am too a human who enjoys conversing with other humanoids. I am new but let me say to you I am very flesh blood fellow person.
Look at the graph and the uptick in activity. Note that on June 8, Reddit's u/iamthatis posted Apollo's intent to shut down.
https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/
I’m enjoying it so much more with the app development. Devs trying to accomplish the goal of instilling the feeling of Apollo for us refugees coming. I just needed useful communities, with posts that people reply to with more and more information. Reddit still defeats lemmy there but I’m hoping it changes a bit.
gas gas gas
Yes we can!
Yes We Can!
-this post brought to you by the Yes We Can! bot
It shows 50,000 active users per day compared to 2,500,000 total users per day. Most of the difference, presumably, is dormant bot accounts. If they were all activated and started posting one day, they could probably bring the network down.
I'm confused though by the active comments per day being about 100 times the active users per day. Surely users are not commenting 100 times per day on average. Is there something wrong with how the comments are being counted?
The posts count also looks a bit odd, since it means active users are making more than 10 posts a day on average. That seems implausibly high.
“average user posts 100 times per day" actualy just statistical error. average user posts 0 times per day. Feddi Georg, who lives in cave & posts over 10,000 each day, is an outlier adn should not have been counted
That and some of the active users are also bots. Lemmit.online is a good example; that community is set up to harvest content from Reddit via RSS and then Bots post it into the community. Other users (including bots) can then cross post it to other parts of the Threadiverse. "Lemmit.Online Bot" has made 20.1k posts in 7 days.
I wouldn't be surprised if there are also hyperactive comment bots out there too.
It’s still an average. The mean average precisely. The modal average is most likely zero but the median average is probably greater than zero.
50k active users is still pretty damn good growth. Weren't we at like 40k just a week or so ago?
Also, average comments per day was rising fast but as of today it has suddenly slowed down? I'm guessing there must be some kind of bug in the system
Apollo user coming over from Reddit
These are some really great stats and I'm loving it :D
//\
Yet it feels like an echo chamber. My local community I created had 3-4 posts per day until 2 days ago. Now zero people are posting lol
That’s generally not what people mean when they use the term “echo chamber”.
Eh, still won't hear any dissenting opinions
Even the bots migrated from Reddit.
Huzzah!
And now that I’m in the beta for Limbo / Liftoff, I’m loving it. The web experience was not great for me on mobile.
Servers still seem slow though. Posting a comment is slow. Loading images is slow. But I’m not going to complain about that when this kind of explosive growth is happening. Keeping things up at all is impressive.
How to become a beta user?
If you’re on iPhone, install TestFlight in the AppStore and after that join through this link: https://testflight.apple.com/join/e6ZEbxuR
Thanks
Very nice to see this for Lemmy.
Agreed, I know there's arguments about bots and such in this thread but this is all good news. If we have these problems, it means we're doing something right.
can't wait to see how all of this evolves.
Me too Mr. Darth Bueller
Bwhahahaha love it. Is this AI or is it from a movie or something?
This is Ai, I use it on unique or funny usernames because why not. :P
No shade thrown, very fun! Thanks!
Let's GO!
(Lemmy.world) server:
Please stop posting this stuff. We're sick of it and we know it doesn't really mean anything. Thank you.
That being said, shout out to the self-hosted crowd! Look at the graph for number of servers!
Haha oh yeah, can't deny that's cool as hell.
Though it does highlight that it would be nice to have some kind of estimate of actual humans using the system.
Speak for yourself. I enjoy analyzing the posts and discussing the growth. It brings up discussions of what stats are better to look at to analyze user growth, how to handle the growth, and what if any moderation/sign up workflows should be implemented. Go be a hater somewhere else.