Dallas County Sheriff Adam Infante said that school had not yet started when the shooting began.
“Luckily, so there were very few students and faculty in the building, which I think contributed to a good outcome in that sense,” he said at a news briefing.
Maybe it’s a bad selected quote but using the phrase “good outcome” because only 3 people were shot in a school is insane, to me.
This one won't even make the cut as a mass shooting because not enough people were injured.
Way to go America.
Update: five injured, one killed. It counts as a mass shooting now.
Which is why we need to track school shootings in it's own category.
Then people will complain that an accidental discharge in the school parking lot gets lumped in with this, or that mass shootings at schools get double counted because they're mass shootings and school shootings, or some other nonsense to avoid admitting that there's a problem.
I really don't understand their "gang killings don't count as mass killings" argument. Like somehow those are different because gangs?
The consensus is that people don’t care about gang members when it’s inter-gang violence. Aside from the obvious, the biggest issue with that stance is that more often than not it’s some 6 yr old bystander who’s shot through the wall of their house. Disgusting.
*edit fixed autocorrect
I feel like gang shootings would be a little more adversarial. Basically two groups with animosity towards the other coming to a head and the aggressor could be from either side. School shootings and other mass shootings are more vengeful and one sided.
That's my take at least. Not that the loss of life isn't tragic all the same.
Basically two groups with animosity towards the other coming to a head and the aggressor could be from either side.
Any time a group of cops shoot at someone it should probably count as a gang shooting.
I kind of get it. Like we were focusing on the shootings where someone goes to a school, a mall, concert, etc, and just starts killing people. It's still a shooting, and people still die, and it is unnecessary violence, but it's still different. Similar to how if I, a white guy, kill a black man, it's just murder... until I do it while screaming the n word. Now suddenly its different.
It also feels a little convenient in the aspect that people were pointing out how many of the mass shootings were done by white people... So then they add in gang shootings. Now more of them are done by other races.
I'm generally very anti-gun, but I can see the rationale behind separating gang killings. Just like separating out familicide from mass shootings where a person shoots their three kids, their wife, then themself. Not a mass shooting in the sense that the general public was at risk of being a target.
Killed you mean, you could have 400 injured, it's not a mass shooting if there is less than four death.
Four deaths would make it a mass killing. People being hit with bullets fired from a gun is a shooting even if they don't die.
Wait until the government redefines the number high so the rates will go down.
Mission accomplished!
That noob never even went to a firing range to properly train to shoot kids. An embarrassment for the nation, really.
Yeah, but also when you do that you got to get the smaller targets all set up and people always want to small talk about what school you are shooting and why, and someone always ends up bringing up Jews...
I can see why you wouldn't even bother going to the range to practice anymore. Such a hassle.
So now it is a "good outcome" if only a few kids get shot. Can America sink even lower? Just watch the daily series "School Shootings", Mo-Fr in your news channel!
It's a "good outcome" for the pro-gun community because it's a small school shooting that should be easy to sneak under the rug.
It's obviously a horrific outcome for the victims, students, their families and their teachers, but who gives a fuck about them? The killers dad was the only one profitable to the gun lobby and a font of power for Republicans.
I wonder when we are going to have an awkward moment when two school shooters show up at the same time. "Oh you are also here to murder the 6 year olds during nap time?"
"nah I'm here for the 10 year olds, they run faster and make for better sport, anyway happy hunting!"
Police: "Don't worry, we'll wait until y'all are done in there. Our turn's next, though!"
"awkward. One of us is going to have to change dates"
Totally unpreventable. We've tried nothing and we're out of ideas. Investigators looking at motives (like it matters). Suspect had a troubled past, legally bought weapons. #[insert city name] strong. Thoughts and prayers. Like and subscribe. See you at the next one.
Just the unfortunate cost of securing people's right to commit mass murder
Humans are temperamental and angry by nature. So, combine that with guns (or almost any other inanimate object) and you have a recipe for total disaster. People use cars while high and kill people, they use bats and knives and other things as weapons. So - let's give them a weapon designed specifically to kill (like guns) and surprise surprise, they go around killing people. Welcome to human nature 101.
When I get high I watch cartoons, sit on my couch, and eat peanut butter. The most damage I am doing to the world is my waistline.
Human nature isn't natural, per se. Our nature is shaped by our society and culture and other humans' natures. People in America are temperamental and angry because they have been made to be that way.
Are you telling me that rugged individualism and a society centered around it's you vs everyone makes for a mentally unwell populace?
If that was the culprit there would be a lot more randomness though in the shooter. Instead it tends to be a certain demographic with certain politics in a certain religion.
If only there were good students with guns this could have been prevented
If only the killer didn't want to kill people.
If only the "responsible gun owner" didn't leave a poorly secured firearm around a child who wanted to kill people.
pointing out the problem with gun violence in america is anti semitic - conservatives, probably
Why bother thinking of a good excuse when the reactionary votes and millions in gun-lobby "donations" will keep coming either way? Just say any old shit until it blows over.
Found the Antisemite! ;)
Took four days, huh?
Cut the year some slack. Today was the first day of school. It's hard to have a school shooting when school's out.
So what you're saying is it only took less than a day.
Correct. In fact, it seems that the casually numbers are low because shooter was early.
That's where they went wrong. Always show up fashionably late when you want to attempt mass murder.
Correct. See: trenchcoats used at Columbine.
It pissed me off that it essentially got trench coats banned at high schools. I graduated in 1995 and my friends and I all wore black trench coats all through high school. I even had a leather one what I loved (I've actually been thinking about getting a mock leather trench coat recently). It was stupid enough that my high school had a no hat rule.
Oh, man. Yeah, I would be mad too. Especially after the dust settled and it turned out the Trench Coat Mafia was just harmless tech geeks (with the exception of the shooters, ofc), not Nazis and terrorists.
I'd say get the mock leather trenchcoat, and rock it.
It's more a matter of cost than worrying about what I'll look like in it. I've never given a fuck what other people thought of what I looked like. I look like how I want to look.
But a nice one, and I'd hate to get a cheap one and just have to replace it in a year, is upwards of $150 and I can't really afford that right now.
I’m younger than you folks but the trench coat kids scared the shit out of me after Columbine - mostly because of the media fearmongering. Remember “rock is the devil’s music” days?
Then I went to HS and became a JNCO jeans and trench coat kid, and the crew was the most down-to-earth and accepting folks I knew. Scariest thing about me back then was how long I could play PC games for every day.
We all wore black turtlenecks, black pants, black socks, black shoes and black trench coats because we were in drama club and trying to be Eurotrash. Sort of like the Mike Meyers Sprockets SNL sketches but not a joke.
Kids are stupid.
I still like black trench coats though.
Don't worry, I'm sure there have been shootings elsewhere in the country that weren't mass shootings within an hour of the New Year
Less than a day, if we only count the days when school is in session.
I wonder when american mass shootings will stop being front page news. Treated more like a car crash or something. minor local news. The US as a country has obviously decided that this is acceptable and i assume it should be treated as such.
As an outsider it’s fucking bizarre to witness.
No, Republican politicians and a minority of voters have decided it's acceptable, and because of our convoluted and poorly designed political system, the rest of us are forced to put up with it.
Indeed. Gun control is actually extremely popular if you just look at polling.
Oh it's already covered in the same breath as the real housewives drama from my SO. It's barely cared about. I don't think anyone actually even feels sad about anymore except for some of the families involved. Just another day in the life of the greatest dream.
Anger has replaced any sense of sadness and people are running out of anger too. Apathy. Self indulgent apathy is all we will have left. And fear that someone might take away their nice things. A country of children parading as adults as children die... How could you not look at it and weep.
Like the school shooting dinner table discussion in South Park. Spoilers -- Stan's mom flips out over the local school shooting, and Stan's dad asks her if she's overreacting because she's on her period.
I feel like it's barely front page news as it is. Like this is the only thing I'm seeing about this shooting. Last night on TikTok I found out about a shooting at a bar, what's the deadliest shooting in Maine to date. Happened on Oct 25th. I found out about it yesterday. 18 people killed, 13 injured. Still took me that long to see anything about it. Back when the Sandy Hook hooting happened, it was all over in minutes, and we didn't stop hearing about it for months. Now we might not hear about it at all.
For the curious, I looked it up. The reason he had access to a 6th grader to shoot in a High School is that it and the Middle School are really one big building in this case - so while it was a High School, it was also a Middle School.
Nothing to see here but another NRA Freedom Celebration™, folks. Move along!
Easy access to arms WITHOUT rigour, training and monitoring leads to savage atrocities. Some clowns will highlight European countries with a similar gun ownership rate, but then fail to understand why we don't have those same atrocities.
I can save a pro-gun cultist the effort and just fill in this comment chain in advance:
Cultist: "Shall not be infringed"
Sane people: "Well regulated"
Cultist: "Well regulated doesn't mean subjected to regulations like background checks and not hitting your wife, it means well-functioning, like a watch
Sane people: "It's not that either. Your militia has no training or physical fitness standards, may never had to demonstrate safe and competent handling of their weapon and has an open contempt for the chain of command"
Cultist: "No but its a mental health problem"
Sane people: "Okay, sounds like gun owners should be have to undergo a mandatory mental health assessment before buying guns then"
Cultist: "If you try and make me prove I'm not a dangerous extremist I'll kill you".
That, and pretty much everyone is for some degree of infringement, they just don't want themselves to be infringed.
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
Oh, so you're okay with a recently released from jail gang-member living next door being allowed to legally buy a full auto 50 cal, or a grenade launcher?
Unfortunately that doesn't work any more. The people who are still staunchly pro-gun after the last two decades of violence often just say "yes, I support convicted felons buying grenade launchers and mortars".
They're confident it will never be anyone they care about getting killed because they only care about themselves. To them, an armed gang member next door is just a get out of jail free card waiting to be murdered with their cool gun.
This will undoubtedly upset some gun toting lunatic who will want to claim they care about their family and that's why they have guns, but that's just more exceptionalism -- every child that killed themselves with a gun or murdered their classmates had a parent who thought it would never be them.
fail to understand why we don't have those same atrocities.
Training, or perhaps not living in a hopeless shithole?
I don't disagree, but y'all don't own nearly as many guns as Americans. I think you already highlighted why - in most civilized countries you have actually do some work to get a gun and have more legal responsibility than just "oops little Timmy got my gun again, that's not your pacifier big guy I don't know why he likes this thing so much let's put that back over here on the nightstand."
Onion article incoming with headline for the thousandth time
They don't appear to have added one since October.
American schools don’t have a worse bullying problem than schools in other countries, according to this article. Other countries have at least 4X fewer gun ownership rate, article. I think the U.S. really needs better gun control, while maintaining the right to bear arms.
Seems about right, I'm just surprised it took so long into the new year for this to happen. No one has any right to feel bad about this - it's what people want, and Americans like guns more than kids, so nobody should be surprised or upset about this at all.
I'd say people like money more than someone else's kids.
You don't see wealthy people going on killing sprees at nearly the same rate as poor people.
So long as the disparity in wealth continues to grow, these problems will only get worse.
And people like guns also, more than someone else's kids. And hey I'd rather have people in love with money. Money DOES make the world go around, whether we like to admit it or not. Get it by any means you can.
It really isn't a gun problem; that's a symptom of a much larger societal sickness. Banning guns won't stop this because mass shooters aren't going to abide by the law. We have a country south of us that smuggles in illegal products on a daily basis.
What we need is a better mental health care system.
Anything so you don't have to give up your murder machines.
I don't actually own any guns, but look at how effective the war on drugs was.
Criminals aren't going to suddenly throw away their guns because it's now illegal to have them.
Most mass shooters like this aren't criminals beforehand. An overwhelming majority of them acquired their firearms legally.
Because guess what? It's fucking hard for 9th grade little Billy to get his hands on an illegal firearm.
Reduce the number of legal firearms will reduce the number of mass shootings by directly reducing the number of people that would commit a mass shooting and by reducing the number of stolen firearms in circulation.
Don't you understand? All 19 year olds are Jason Bourne and have access to the network and funds needed to get guns in a future where they are banned.
I am very confident that if I tried to buy a gun illegally that I would fail at it and go to jail for a long time.
I'm pretty sure most of us wouldn't even make it far enough to go to jail, unless we asked for guns from a honeypot online. Like I legitimately don't even know who I would ask to get started on being able to buy one illegally.
And yet somehow someway every single person who is desperate enough and poor enough to attempt a home robber will be able to buy guns that the government is actively looking for. And the kinda of people who are unstable enough to shot up a school will have enough stability to raise who knows how msny thousands of dollars to buy a AR-15 from the underworld.
Makes no freaken sense.
Your analogy is false and you should feel bad for making it. Do people get addicted to guns? No. Can you cut guns with baby powder and the like? No. Can you smuggle drugs through a metal detector? Yeps. Does cocaine allow you to kill who knows how many dozens of kids at a school or at a concert? No.
The goal isn't to stop random criminals. The goal is to make mass shootings a lot more difficult.
I've literally given you proof that you can. You can get addicted to anything that gives you dopamine. Either provide proof for your claim like I have, or shut the fuck up.
No, my analogy isn't false. Banning something only creates a booming black market, as we saw with the war on drugs.
I'm not sure why you thought I was saying that guns and drugs carried the same dangers.
Really how is the booming market for asbestos going? Answer the question
Asbestos is 100% legal in the US, so try again.
don't be petulant
Why can't you answer the question? You said banning something causes a booming black market and I asked you about asbestos. This should be so simple for someone who I am positive has had 2,000 arguments on Twatter about the definition of assault rifle.
>This should be so simple for someone who I am positive has had 2,000 arguments on Twatter about the definition of assault rifle.
this is pigeonholing, or maybe poisoning the well. either way, it's ad hominem. it's sophistry, not logic.
How about some lead paint instead?
have you considered that pairing and rhetoric are inferior tactics? they may win an audience but they get us no closer to Truth.
>You said banning something causes a booming black market
no, I didn't
Banning something only creates a booming black market
I got some raw uncut asbestos you can have if you want. It's street value is negative.
you literally don't know who you are talking to.
I disagree in part because I see it as both a gun problem and a mental health crisis. Guns have one purpose, to create a lethal hole in somebody. So it makes no sense to me that a human would want anything to do with them. Part of the mental health problem is getting people to see how dangerous guns are and making sure people with histories of violence don't get hold of them.
Killing people is not the only use for a gun.
I'd believe that if people actually only used them for hunting, but they don't, and there's nothing more awful than people with guns.
Very true. There is also showing up to a BLM protest and "defending" yourself. You know like your buddy Kyle "crocodile tears" Rittenhouse did
That Rittenhouse bastard - he should've been sent to prison for his entire life. What a murderous piece of filth.
Did you forget that hunting was a thing?
Not only do I try to forget, I actively work against hunting laws. To me hunting is as much a blood sport as killing children in a school. So no I didn't forget about it, I just think people (who are men) who engage in it are sick and nasty people.
Ah, so you're an idiot.
Carry on.
Better an idiot than a motherfucking turdball like yourself. You can shove your gun up your asshole and pull the trigger and we'd all throw a party. You're a worthless lump of horse dung.
I don't own any guns, but good job confirming the idiot part.
BTW, hunting is necessary for animal population control. When you wipe out predators, something has to take its place.
Yes I did totally confirm you are an idiot, that's true. And I'm glad you recognize that.
You're so dumb you can't even make a good argument for hunting. You're truly fucked in the head. Carry on.
K
Everyone knows how dangerous guns are. Part of the point of owning one is that it can be used in a dangerous situation to protect yourself.
The mental issue part is why anyone would want to harm another human with one.
If the problem is societal sickness, then maybe we should make it harder to get guns. Not a ban, but require better background checks and perhaps interviews. Force private sales to use the same system. And if someone is throwing up red flags, intervene and temporarily confiscate their gun.
I don't think any of this is unpopular. Being inconvenienced and having to wait longer to get a gun is hardly an infringement of rights. Mass shooters may not abide by the law, but neither do people who make meth. Yet, we still have restrictions on purchases to try and minimize meth production.
I never said I was against reasonable restrictions, but I guess people think that acknowledging that an outright ban wouldn't solve the problem means I'm against all gun control.
I don't even own a gun.
I don't know if it would fix the problem, and I don't advocate for a total ban on all guns, yet people don't think I'm against all gun control. It's all about what you emphasize as important.
Why not both? Getting an illegal gun is expensive. Make it even more difficult, and not only does it likely go even more underground, but it costs even more. Eventually you're gonna have illegal ownership dwindle. So even if the majority were from illegal gun ownership, it would be so much harder to get. Like I personally wouldn't even know where to begin.to look for a gun.
This. Also gun control isn't banning guns. Regulation makes getting a gun significantly more expensive and harder to do.
Also every time I hear someone use the "they'll just smuggle them in" argument I want to know their stance on drug prohibition.
They use our guns in that "country to the south." Often procured through the direct incompetence of our own officials.
And how much would you like to bet that the US gun manufacturers will open up shop in Mexico if a gun ban is implemented?
Again, guns are a symptom, and banning them is nothing more than a bandaid.
I'm not some 2A nut either. I don't actually own any guns.
Dude. Mexico has some of the strictest gun laws on earth. You can only legally buy a gun inside a single military base in the whole country.
I'm sure they also have laws against cocaine, but that doesn't stop it from being trafficked. Cartels tend to be largely above the law.
The same could be said hm about us. Of course our intelligence agencies created the cartels though.
People get addicted to cocaine and it can be smuggled in the rectum. Not the same thing at all
As I said, and showed proof of before, guns can be addictive. And if you think the majority of cocaine that enters the US is doing it via peoples rectums, then you are even dumber than I thought you'd already proven yourself to be.
Do you think that's how most cocaine is smuggled?
Oh you so so do not want to try gun running from Mexico to the US. Anyone that would try it is too stupid to live. The border guards will be very polite to you as they put you down with assault rifles. You know if you are lucky. If the cartels don't catch you instead and hack off body parts. Or the regular police there don't put you in a jail for 8 years without a trial.
Don't fuck with the Mexican border. You check every bag you have ten times to make sure you don't even have something that can even resemble a knife. Go read up on what happened to the American citizen who they found a spent bullet casing in his truck.
Do you honestly think that it's impossible to smuggle stuff across the border, or that smuggling only happens at border crossing checkpoints?
I honestly think it would be hilarious for me to watch you attempt it. Please livestream it. Please please try this. Think about how owned I will be.
You are a giant idiot. I agree with you on the need for gun control bit, but all your arguments are extremely flawed. Like this one you've posted here. Sure, jimbob might struggle to get a gun across, but there is still gonna be a shitload of them getting across. It is literally the world's busiest border. Even a country with a hard on for authority like the US struggles to catch anywhere near close to everything that illegally crosses that border. And your asbestos argument? That's shit house too. For one, it's not even banned in most of the world (including the US). Two, there's still a problem with people trying to import products with it in into countries that have banned it. And three, it's irrelevant because the govts that have banned it have made alternatives readily available that are nearly as effective, thus giving the public legal alternatives. Why is that important? Because let's look at what happened when govts don't provide alternatives. Like when the US banned alcohol (which is a ban that still exists in some countries today). Or the war on drugs. Or the illegal trade of exotic animals. They are booming markets. Sure, be against all the horseshit we see come out of the US in regards to gun crime and advocate for tighter gun control, but at least try to be intelligent about it. Your whataboutism is not only wrong, it's a really dumb way to try and prove a point, even if you were right.
Most contraband is smuggled via semi or boat, you moron.
Merry Christmas and a happy new year, here's your bullet ... CATCH!
Unless they’re apologizing for their failures or resigning in shame, why even include comments from politicians like Grassley and Nunn? They’ve already told us they’re not interested or involved in such matters.
Yes! I LOVE our Well Regulated Militia murdering kids!
-Republicans trying to Save The Children.
"There is simply nothing we can do! Far too busy stopping women getting a dead fetus removed from their body before it kills them! Oh hang on I have to take a call, someone is trying to make sure that kids get food. Not on my watch!"
Republicans, shortly before explaining how they're "pro-life."
Maybe it’s a bad selected quote but using the phrase “good outcome” because only 3 people were shot in a school is insane, to me.
This one won't even make the cut as a mass shooting because not enough people were injured.
Way to go America.
Update: five injured, one killed. It counts as a mass shooting now.
Which is why we need to track school shootings in it's own category.
Then people will complain that an accidental discharge in the school parking lot gets lumped in with this, or that mass shootings at schools get double counted because they're mass shootings and school shootings, or some other nonsense to avoid admitting that there's a problem.
I really don't understand their "gang killings don't count as mass killings" argument. Like somehow those are different because gangs?
The consensus is that people don’t care about gang members when it’s inter-gang violence. Aside from the obvious, the biggest issue with that stance is that more often than not it’s some 6 yr old bystander who’s shot through the wall of their house. Disgusting.
*edit fixed autocorrect
I feel like gang shootings would be a little more adversarial. Basically two groups with animosity towards the other coming to a head and the aggressor could be from either side. School shootings and other mass shootings are more vengeful and one sided.
That's my take at least. Not that the loss of life isn't tragic all the same.
Any time a group of cops shoot at someone it should probably count as a gang shooting.
I kind of get it. Like we were focusing on the shootings where someone goes to a school, a mall, concert, etc, and just starts killing people. It's still a shooting, and people still die, and it is unnecessary violence, but it's still different. Similar to how if I, a white guy, kill a black man, it's just murder... until I do it while screaming the n word. Now suddenly its different.
It also feels a little convenient in the aspect that people were pointing out how many of the mass shootings were done by white people... So then they add in gang shootings. Now more of them are done by other races.
I'm generally very anti-gun, but I can see the rationale behind separating gang killings. Just like separating out familicide from mass shootings where a person shoots their three kids, their wife, then themself. Not a mass shooting in the sense that the general public was at risk of being a target.
Killed you mean, you could have 400 injured, it's not a mass shooting if there is less than four death.
Four deaths would make it a mass killing. People being hit with bullets fired from a gun is a shooting even if they don't die.
Wait until the government redefines the number high so the rates will go down.
Mission accomplished!
That noob never even went to a firing range to properly train to shoot kids. An embarrassment for the nation, really.
Yeah, but also when you do that you got to get the smaller targets all set up and people always want to small talk about what school you are shooting and why, and someone always ends up bringing up Jews...
I can see why you wouldn't even bother going to the range to practice anymore. Such a hassle.
So now it is a "good outcome" if only a few kids get shot. Can America sink even lower? Just watch the daily series "School Shootings", Mo-Fr in your news channel!
It's a "good outcome" for the pro-gun community because it's a small school shooting that should be easy to sneak under the rug.
It's obviously a horrific outcome for the victims, students, their families and their teachers, but who gives a fuck about them? The killers dad was the only one profitable to the gun lobby and a font of power for Republicans.
I wonder when we are going to have an awkward moment when two school shooters show up at the same time. "Oh you are also here to murder the 6 year olds during nap time?"
"nah I'm here for the 10 year olds, they run faster and make for better sport, anyway happy hunting!"
Police: "Don't worry, we'll wait until y'all are done in there. Our turn's next, though!"
"awkward. One of us is going to have to change dates"
Totally unpreventable. We've tried nothing and we're out of ideas. Investigators looking at motives (like it matters). Suspect had a troubled past, legally bought weapons. #[insert city name] strong. Thoughts and prayers. Like and subscribe. See you at the next one.
Just the unfortunate cost of securing people's right to commit mass murder
Humans are temperamental and angry by nature. So, combine that with guns (or almost any other inanimate object) and you have a recipe for total disaster. People use cars while high and kill people, they use bats and knives and other things as weapons. So - let's give them a weapon designed specifically to kill (like guns) and surprise surprise, they go around killing people. Welcome to human nature 101.
When I get high I watch cartoons, sit on my couch, and eat peanut butter. The most damage I am doing to the world is my waistline.
Human nature isn't natural, per se. Our nature is shaped by our society and culture and other humans' natures. People in America are temperamental and angry because they have been made to be that way.
Are you telling me that rugged individualism and a society centered around it's you vs everyone makes for a mentally unwell populace?
If that was the culprit there would be a lot more randomness though in the shooter. Instead it tends to be a certain demographic with certain politics in a certain religion.
If only there were good students with guns this could have been prevented
If only the killer didn't want to kill people.
If only the "responsible gun owner" didn't leave a poorly secured firearm around a child who wanted to kill people.
pointing out the problem with gun violence in america is anti semitic - conservatives, probably
Why bother thinking of a good excuse when the reactionary votes and millions in gun-lobby "donations" will keep coming either way? Just say any old shit until it blows over.
Found the Antisemite! ;)
Took four days, huh?
Cut the year some slack. Today was the first day of school. It's hard to have a school shooting when school's out.
So what you're saying is it only took less than a day.
Correct. In fact, it seems that the casually numbers are low because shooter was early.
That's where they went wrong. Always show up fashionably late when you want to attempt mass murder.
Correct. See: trenchcoats used at Columbine.
It pissed me off that it essentially got trench coats banned at high schools. I graduated in 1995 and my friends and I all wore black trench coats all through high school. I even had a leather one what I loved (I've actually been thinking about getting a mock leather trench coat recently). It was stupid enough that my high school had a no hat rule.
Oh, man. Yeah, I would be mad too. Especially after the dust settled and it turned out the Trench Coat Mafia was just harmless tech geeks (with the exception of the shooters, ofc), not Nazis and terrorists.
I'd say get the mock leather trenchcoat, and rock it.
It's more a matter of cost than worrying about what I'll look like in it. I've never given a fuck what other people thought of what I looked like. I look like how I want to look.
But a nice one, and I'd hate to get a cheap one and just have to replace it in a year, is upwards of $150 and I can't really afford that right now.
I’m younger than you folks but the trench coat kids scared the shit out of me after Columbine - mostly because of the media fearmongering. Remember “rock is the devil’s music” days?
Then I went to HS and became a JNCO jeans and trench coat kid, and the crew was the most down-to-earth and accepting folks I knew. Scariest thing about me back then was how long I could play PC games for every day.
We all wore black turtlenecks, black pants, black socks, black shoes and black trench coats because we were in drama club and trying to be Eurotrash. Sort of like the Mike Meyers Sprockets SNL sketches but not a joke.
Kids are stupid.
I still like black trench coats though.
Don't worry, I'm sure there have been shootings elsewhere in the country that weren't mass shootings within an hour of the New Year
Less than a day, if we only count the days when school is in session.
I wonder when american mass shootings will stop being front page news. Treated more like a car crash or something. minor local news. The US as a country has obviously decided that this is acceptable and i assume it should be treated as such.
As an outsider it’s fucking bizarre to witness.
No, Republican politicians and a minority of voters have decided it's acceptable, and because of our convoluted and poorly designed political system, the rest of us are forced to put up with it.
Indeed. Gun control is actually extremely popular if you just look at polling.
Oh it's already covered in the same breath as the real housewives drama from my SO. It's barely cared about. I don't think anyone actually even feels sad about anymore except for some of the families involved. Just another day in the life of the greatest dream.
Anger has replaced any sense of sadness and people are running out of anger too. Apathy. Self indulgent apathy is all we will have left. And fear that someone might take away their nice things. A country of children parading as adults as children die... How could you not look at it and weep.
Like the school shooting dinner table discussion in South Park. Spoilers -- Stan's mom flips out over the local school shooting, and Stan's dad asks her if she's overreacting because she's on her period.
I'd link it, but I'm on mobile.
https://youtu.be/HjdK6w6KLXA?si=afN7pKgw6iLFD1eU
Thank you very much for that!
I feel like it's barely front page news as it is. Like this is the only thing I'm seeing about this shooting. Last night on TikTok I found out about a shooting at a bar, what's the deadliest shooting in Maine to date. Happened on Oct 25th. I found out about it yesterday. 18 people killed, 13 injured. Still took me that long to see anything about it. Back when the Sandy Hook hooting happened, it was all over in minutes, and we didn't stop hearing about it for months. Now we might not hear about it at all.
https://wgme.com/news/local/maines-deadliest-mass-shooting-propels-homicides-to-new-high-in-the-state-gun-violence-schemengees-bar-and-grille-sparetime-recreationjust-in-time-recreation-crime-murder
You guys need some new traditions over there.
For the curious, I looked it up. The reason he had access to a 6th grader to shoot in a High School is that it and the Middle School are really one big building in this case - so while it was a High School, it was also a Middle School.
This article lists a possible motive - years of bullying with the school admin refusing to do anything about it. I never did understand why none of my public schools ever did anything about my bullies. As an adult, if any of them tried it I'd call the police and use pepper spray - both banned actions in my schools.
Calling the police is a banned action??
American schools are prisons first, education centers second.
Schools typically wait until there's already a School Shooter before letting more in!
Killer was trans as well. Watch how fast this leaves the news cycle.
Oh fuck. Once Trans people start shooting back, America is completely fucked.
They'll be pushing for gun control faster than when the blacks started championing for gun rights.
I'll let you determine if this comment is sarcasm or not.
i highly doubt it. most trans people can't handle being called "sir" when their adam's apple is prominent, let alone firing a weapon.
Nothing to see here but another NRA Freedom Celebration™, folks. Move along!
Easy access to arms WITHOUT rigour, training and monitoring leads to savage atrocities. Some clowns will highlight European countries with a similar gun ownership rate, but then fail to understand why we don't have those same atrocities.
I can save a pro-gun cultist the effort and just fill in this comment chain in advance:
Cultist: "Shall not be infringed"
Sane people: "Well regulated"
Cultist: "Well regulated doesn't mean subjected to regulations like background checks and not hitting your wife, it means well-functioning, like a watch
Sane people: "It's not that either. Your militia has no training or physical fitness standards, may never had to demonstrate safe and competent handling of their weapon and has an open contempt for the chain of command"
Cultist: "No but its a mental health problem"
Sane people: "Okay, sounds like gun owners should be have to undergo a mandatory mental health assessment before buying guns then"
Cultist: "If you try and make me prove I'm not a dangerous extremist I'll kill you".
That, and pretty much everyone is for some degree of infringement, they just don't want themselves to be infringed.
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
Oh, so you're okay with a recently released from jail gang-member living next door being allowed to legally buy a full auto 50 cal, or a grenade launcher?
Unfortunately that doesn't work any more. The people who are still staunchly pro-gun after the last two decades of violence often just say "yes, I support convicted felons buying grenade launchers and mortars".
They're confident it will never be anyone they care about getting killed because they only care about themselves. To them, an armed gang member next door is just a get out of jail free card waiting to be murdered with their cool gun.
This will undoubtedly upset some gun toting lunatic who will want to claim they care about their family and that's why they have guns, but that's just more exceptionalism -- every child that killed themselves with a gun or murdered their classmates had a parent who thought it would never be them.
Training, or perhaps not living in a hopeless shithole?
I don't disagree, but y'all don't own nearly as many guns as Americans. I think you already highlighted why - in most civilized countries you have actually do some work to get a gun and have more legal responsibility than just "oops little Timmy got my gun again, that's not your pacifier big guy I don't know why he likes this thing so much let's put that back over here on the nightstand."
Onion article incoming with headline for the thousandth time
They don't appear to have added one since October.
American schools don’t have a worse bullying problem than schools in other countries, according to this article. Other countries have at least 4X fewer gun ownership rate, article. I think the U.S. really needs better gun control, while maintaining the right to bear arms.
Seems about right, I'm just surprised it took so long into the new year for this to happen. No one has any right to feel bad about this - it's what people want, and Americans like guns more than kids, so nobody should be surprised or upset about this at all.
I'd say people like money more than someone else's kids.
You don't see wealthy people going on killing sprees at nearly the same rate as poor people.
So long as the disparity in wealth continues to grow, these problems will only get worse.
And people like guns also, more than someone else's kids. And hey I'd rather have people in love with money. Money DOES make the world go around, whether we like to admit it or not. Get it by any means you can.
It really isn't a gun problem; that's a symptom of a much larger societal sickness. Banning guns won't stop this because mass shooters aren't going to abide by the law. We have a country south of us that smuggles in illegal products on a daily basis.
What we need is a better mental health care system.
Anything so you don't have to give up your murder machines.
I don't actually own any guns, but look at how effective the war on drugs was.
Criminals aren't going to suddenly throw away their guns because it's now illegal to have them.
Most mass shooters like this aren't criminals beforehand. An overwhelming majority of them acquired their firearms legally.
Because guess what? It's fucking hard for 9th grade little Billy to get his hands on an illegal firearm.
Reduce the number of legal firearms will reduce the number of mass shootings by directly reducing the number of people that would commit a mass shooting and by reducing the number of stolen firearms in circulation.
Don't you understand? All 19 year olds are Jason Bourne and have access to the network and funds needed to get guns in a future where they are banned.
I am very confident that if I tried to buy a gun illegally that I would fail at it and go to jail for a long time.
I'm pretty sure most of us wouldn't even make it far enough to go to jail, unless we asked for guns from a honeypot online. Like I legitimately don't even know who I would ask to get started on being able to buy one illegally.
And yet somehow someway every single person who is desperate enough and poor enough to attempt a home robber will be able to buy guns that the government is actively looking for. And the kinda of people who are unstable enough to shot up a school will have enough stability to raise who knows how msny thousands of dollars to buy a AR-15 from the underworld.
Makes no freaken sense.
Your analogy is false and you should feel bad for making it. Do people get addicted to guns? No. Can you cut guns with baby powder and the like? No. Can you smuggle drugs through a metal detector? Yeps. Does cocaine allow you to kill who knows how many dozens of kids at a school or at a concert? No.
The goal isn't to stop random criminals. The goal is to make mass shootings a lot more difficult.
Of course people can get addicted to guns you giant idiot.
You can't get addicted to a fucking gun
I've literally given you proof that you can. You can get addicted to anything that gives you dopamine. Either provide proof for your claim like I have, or shut the fuck up.
No, my analogy isn't false. Banning something only creates a booming black market, as we saw with the war on drugs.
I'm not sure why you thought I was saying that guns and drugs carried the same dangers.
Really how is the booming market for asbestos going? Answer the question
Asbestos is 100% legal in the US, so try again.
don't be petulant
Why can't you answer the question? You said banning something causes a booming black market and I asked you about asbestos. This should be so simple for someone who I am positive has had 2,000 arguments on Twatter about the definition of assault rifle.
>This should be so simple for someone who I am positive has had 2,000 arguments on Twatter about the definition of assault rifle.
this is pigeonholing, or maybe poisoning the well. either way, it's ad hominem. it's sophistry, not logic.
How about some lead paint instead?
have you considered that pairing and rhetoric are inferior tactics? they may win an audience but they get us no closer to Truth.
>You said banning something causes a booming black market
no, I didn't
I got some raw uncut asbestos you can have if you want. It's street value is negative.
you literally don't know who you are talking to.
I disagree in part because I see it as both a gun problem and a mental health crisis. Guns have one purpose, to create a lethal hole in somebody. So it makes no sense to me that a human would want anything to do with them. Part of the mental health problem is getting people to see how dangerous guns are and making sure people with histories of violence don't get hold of them.
Killing people is not the only use for a gun.
I'd believe that if people actually only used them for hunting, but they don't, and there's nothing more awful than people with guns.
Very true. There is also showing up to a BLM protest and "defending" yourself. You know like your buddy Kyle "crocodile tears" Rittenhouse did
That Rittenhouse bastard - he should've been sent to prison for his entire life. What a murderous piece of filth.
Did you forget that hunting was a thing?
Not only do I try to forget, I actively work against hunting laws. To me hunting is as much a blood sport as killing children in a school. So no I didn't forget about it, I just think people (who are men) who engage in it are sick and nasty people.
Ah, so you're an idiot.
Carry on.
Better an idiot than a motherfucking turdball like yourself. You can shove your gun up your asshole and pull the trigger and we'd all throw a party. You're a worthless lump of horse dung.
I don't own any guns, but good job confirming the idiot part.
BTW, hunting is necessary for animal population control. When you wipe out predators, something has to take its place.
Yes I did totally confirm you are an idiot, that's true. And I'm glad you recognize that.
You're so dumb you can't even make a good argument for hunting. You're truly fucked in the head. Carry on.
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Everyone knows how dangerous guns are. Part of the point of owning one is that it can be used in a dangerous situation to protect yourself.
The mental issue part is why anyone would want to harm another human with one.
If the problem is societal sickness, then maybe we should make it harder to get guns. Not a ban, but require better background checks and perhaps interviews. Force private sales to use the same system. And if someone is throwing up red flags, intervene and temporarily confiscate their gun.
I don't think any of this is unpopular. Being inconvenienced and having to wait longer to get a gun is hardly an infringement of rights. Mass shooters may not abide by the law, but neither do people who make meth. Yet, we still have restrictions on purchases to try and minimize meth production.
I never said I was against reasonable restrictions, but I guess people think that acknowledging that an outright ban wouldn't solve the problem means I'm against all gun control.
I don't even own a gun.
I don't know if it would fix the problem, and I don't advocate for a total ban on all guns, yet people don't think I'm against all gun control. It's all about what you emphasize as important.
Why not both? Getting an illegal gun is expensive. Make it even more difficult, and not only does it likely go even more underground, but it costs even more. Eventually you're gonna have illegal ownership dwindle. So even if the majority were from illegal gun ownership, it would be so much harder to get. Like I personally wouldn't even know where to begin.to look for a gun.
This. Also gun control isn't banning guns. Regulation makes getting a gun significantly more expensive and harder to do.
Also every time I hear someone use the "they'll just smuggle them in" argument I want to know their stance on drug prohibition.
They use our guns in that "country to the south." Often procured through the direct incompetence of our own officials.
And how much would you like to bet that the US gun manufacturers will open up shop in Mexico if a gun ban is implemented?
Again, guns are a symptom, and banning them is nothing more than a bandaid.
I'm not some 2A nut either. I don't actually own any guns.
Dude. Mexico has some of the strictest gun laws on earth. You can only legally buy a gun inside a single military base in the whole country.
I'm sure they also have laws against cocaine, but that doesn't stop it from being trafficked. Cartels tend to be largely above the law.
The same could be said hm about us. Of course our intelligence agencies created the cartels though.
People get addicted to cocaine and it can be smuggled in the rectum. Not the same thing at all
As I said, and showed proof of before, guns can be addictive. And if you think the majority of cocaine that enters the US is doing it via peoples rectums, then you are even dumber than I thought you'd already proven yourself to be.
Do you think that's how most cocaine is smuggled?
Oh you so so do not want to try gun running from Mexico to the US. Anyone that would try it is too stupid to live. The border guards will be very polite to you as they put you down with assault rifles. You know if you are lucky. If the cartels don't catch you instead and hack off body parts. Or the regular police there don't put you in a jail for 8 years without a trial.
Don't fuck with the Mexican border. You check every bag you have ten times to make sure you don't even have something that can even resemble a knife. Go read up on what happened to the American citizen who they found a spent bullet casing in his truck.
Do you honestly think that it's impossible to smuggle stuff across the border, or that smuggling only happens at border crossing checkpoints?
I honestly think it would be hilarious for me to watch you attempt it. Please livestream it. Please please try this. Think about how owned I will be.
You are a giant idiot. I agree with you on the need for gun control bit, but all your arguments are extremely flawed. Like this one you've posted here. Sure, jimbob might struggle to get a gun across, but there is still gonna be a shitload of them getting across. It is literally the world's busiest border. Even a country with a hard on for authority like the US struggles to catch anywhere near close to everything that illegally crosses that border. And your asbestos argument? That's shit house too. For one, it's not even banned in most of the world (including the US). Two, there's still a problem with people trying to import products with it in into countries that have banned it. And three, it's irrelevant because the govts that have banned it have made alternatives readily available that are nearly as effective, thus giving the public legal alternatives. Why is that important? Because let's look at what happened when govts don't provide alternatives. Like when the US banned alcohol (which is a ban that still exists in some countries today). Or the war on drugs. Or the illegal trade of exotic animals. They are booming markets. Sure, be against all the horseshit we see come out of the US in regards to gun crime and advocate for tighter gun control, but at least try to be intelligent about it. Your whataboutism is not only wrong, it's a really dumb way to try and prove a point, even if you were right.
Most contraband is smuggled via semi or boat, you moron.
Merry Christmas and a happy new year, here's your bullet ... CATCH!
Unless they’re apologizing for their failures or resigning in shame, why even include comments from politicians like Grassley and Nunn? They’ve already told us they’re not interested or involved in such matters.
Yes! I LOVE our Well Regulated Militia murdering kids!
-Republicans trying to Save The Children.
"There is simply nothing we can do! Far too busy stopping women getting a dead fetus removed from their body before it kills them! Oh hang on I have to take a call, someone is trying to make sure that kids get food. Not on my watch!"