Life imitates art?

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Am I the only one who has to do like 12 of these in a row before my humanity is recognized? Beyond mildly inconvenient, it's downright annoying now.

Edit: I use Mullvad + Firefox + Betterfox + uBO. I don't think my setup is that sophisticated lmao

After 2, I say "fuck it" and find a different option.

Works as long as it's not your bank or something

Look, I know I probably have an account balance, and it's probably positive... What else is there to know?

Thankfully, the credit union I use has not implemented that so far. Just 2-factor authentication.

After I started using a VPN it's way too annoying to try and pass it. I use the audio alternative when possible. If not I kinda just give up lol

I tried the audio once. I could hear less than half of the needed numbers. I don't know how blind people are supposed to pass google captchas if the audio challenge is so garbled.

The last one I did seemed to be a snippet from a yt video. Maybe it's better now

Maybe I'm mixing it up with some other captcha service (hCaptcha?).

It's because you are using a VPN. You always get a ton more captchas when using a VPN on some websites. Mainly because they don't want you using one, so you can be tracked for ads.

imo thats unusual.
i usually need to do 3 at most.

do you use a vpn or something like that?

If it has an error it will keep asking you for more forever.

It’s best to refresh the page if you get more than a couple.

Those are used to train AI, so my guess is there are some kinds of quotas that they have to make within a certain time and when they underperform they just increase the load on each user.

You aren't the only one. I don't bother solving them anymore because of this nonsense. I simply close the tab.

I just use an extension to solve it, that I was told about on here. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/buster-captcha-solver/ if it can't solve it, just hit refresh, and try again.

If i try to pretend im a human it goes faster. Fidget with the mouse, hesitate and make a few small mistakes.

This may have changed since they seem to alter how these things work from time to time, but I’ve found that if you just keep getting one captcha after another, and you know you’re not making errors, try solving them slowly.

I do but I'm pretty sure it's cause I select EVERY frame the object is in.

No. The point of recapatcha is to punish people protecting themselves. The system absolutely lies to you that you got a challenge incorrect.

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There are four lights!

Yes yes, and 2+2=4 and you hate Big Brother. Now hold still while we put this rat cage on your head.

And if the party says that there is not four but five, then how many?

Ever wonder why these captchas are always cars, bicycles, motorcycles, traffic lights and crosswalks? Because YOU are doing the work of teaching the next generation of AI for self-driving cars.

Can’t wait until we get trolley problem CAPTCHAs and we have to choose the square with the most expendable human lives

I don't believe it, at least not anymore.

Google has had more than enough data to train AI models from reCAPTCHA for many years. In 2010 it displayed 100 million captchas per day. You simply do not need hundreds of billions of solved captchas in your data set.

I feel like its only purpose nowadays is stopping basic bots and annoying people who don't let themselves be tracked as much as advertisers would like.

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My favorite is when it asks me to identify stairs. I just imagine a self-driving car mistaking a set of stairs as more road and deciding to try and climb the steps.

Actually, it's training a self-driving humanoid robot that's supposed to climb stairs in order to terminate any potential John Connor that's inside a house upstairs.

I can't believe I never put that 2 and 2 together.

It stresses how stupid AI is then if it was a human the question would be "is this a stop sign?" So it's not even asking us to validate data. To me that means AI is still far from being intelligent. It's requiring our input to learn. That's not how we operate. My kids don't require me to show them images of a stop sign for them to know what one is.

How does it know when it’s right if you’re the one teaching it?

You and many other humans are doing verification work

It's pretty sure it's already right, but if enough people get the same image and get it wrong the same way then something's up, flag it

You know this for a fact?

I took some compsci classes years ago when this tech was new and that's exactly how it was described as being handled

Once image recognition software got good enough to be right most of the time they started this shit to help get it the rest of the way to all of the time

Do it any other way and you have to pay those people

Theres a CGPGrey video that describes old techniques. It's not quite up to date on some of its predictions, but it is how some machine learning works. Of course, it doesn't discuss current proprietary techniques, because those are company secrets. Still, it's as good a guess we'll likely get, unless something radically different has been invented:

https://youtu.be/R9OHn5ZF4Uo

There is also a second video about more modern stuff, but it's more a footnote:
https://youtu.be/wvWpdrfoEv0

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Recaptcha is one of the worst providers of such services. At times, I need to complete like 10 for being one square off or whatever, while I need a single attempt for e.g. Arkose Labs stuff.

Sometimes, like in the picture (whether it's real or not), the captcha is simply wrong and you can't do it right but by accident. I already did not visit websites because I didn't feel like giving it another try.

Try the audio captcha option, those usually have an actual answer it will accept. Which ironically speech to text is more or less reliably able to solve, and there are extensions to solve captchas automatically for you that way

There's unfortunately a chance audio option just locks you out because fuck you :(

are you using a datacentre IP?

I've found that when i have my VPN connected it will get me to do like dozens of them. if my VPN isn't connected it is usually just 1 or 2.

Also when it's in the cycle of prompting you for dozens of them, skip any like the one in the image above until you get one of the ones that has you select from multiple matching pictures. these seem to be the only ones that matter when it's in that state.

CAPTCHAs should be renamed Human Gaslighters

It's being heavily impacted by AI as well, since the "correct" answer is chosen democratically so if enough bots are answering captchas then they choose whats correct and it becomes better at verifying botity than humanity.

i really wish quote tweets (xeets? skeets? yeets?) would put the original post above the response...

Honestly I feel like in this case it works out better. "Eat shit, Rene Magritte" is such a good line to have no context on.

It takes an extra second or two, but I’ve been using speech-to-text on the audio option. Instead of a chore, it’s an exploit! (Not really but your dopamine doesn’t have to know that)

"Vous trouvez ça beau, Magritte ?"

pour les francophones 😏

Ok what parts of this would actually count? Do the corners in the 2 panels count? I've had to try this version of captcha again so many times

I think it'd only be 2 squares for the rectangle of the traffic light.

I've been doing a lot of captchas lately and they always seem to want less outer edge than I expect as a probably human. Like if only a small corner of a bus is in a tile, I just ignore it.

Can LLMs learn art appreciation?

As a large language model, I cannot appreciate art. However, this painting by Monet is especially exquisite because of the fine details in the brush strokes and the feeling of space in the ....

We all thought human creativity would separate us from the machines

It turns out, humans just aren't very creative

Pretty sure that's not how captures work. You don't fail them, you add to the training set. You're against the masses as to whether they considered it a traffic light when they were shown it.

Have you never actually failed one of those image captchas before? Really?

So if we are all purposely wrong enough it'll be useless?

I mean, duh it wanted them to recognize that? Recaptcha is annoying but this is just pettiness.