Lol, if we start excluding tech based on the inventors mental illnesses we are gonna end up bashing rocks together to make fire.
Edit: To be clear, I am not saying that being trans is a mental illness, only refuting that mental illness is not a reason to discard ones contributions. Apologies for any offence.
let me tell you about the guy who invented bashing rocks together ...
Pretty much lol. RMS went off the deep end so no GNU, Torvalds used to call people devil cunts so no Linux kernel. Theo probably did something to upset somebody lol. Maybe we can just use TempleOS and become computing hermits?
Goes back further than that, Turing was gay, so anything building off his works must also be transitively gay.
To add to the modern examples, Reiser murdered his wife, which really puts "devil cunts" into perspective :D
Goes back another 100 years before that. Lovelace was a woman, who in her time wasn't supposed to be doing anything at all
Back then people still believed in the "woman hysteria" thing, right? Ngl sounds very "mental illness" to me.
Well, using the same metrics would mean TempleOS is waaaaay out of the question.
Maybe Terry Davis was the real world Wonko the Sane?
Does being the last sane man on Earth make you crazy?
About as much as having a single functional eye in a country where everybody is blind makes you king.
Except all our hardware is made by major corporationw and there are no major corporations that work totally ethically and morally
Hmm maybe we'll run FreeDOS on breadboarded (vintage) 8086s and live in caves 😂.
A Microsoft (stolen) design and the most evil CPU arch?
At least caves might be ethically sourced.
Freedos is not MSDos though. And how is x86 evil?
Have you ever tried programming in straight x86 assembly? :P
RISC-V is a good start though
pretty hard to do computation on a pdf. which is what risc-v is. You need someone to design and build a chip according to what's in those pdfs
You know there's tons of real chips out already and more coming all the time?
ARM is as much just a spec at heart.
and arm do not manufacture chips. Usually tsmc or samsung do. The fact that chips exist is orthogonal to the argument of who ends up manufacturing them
Yes but who is going to manufacture that chip and board and components?
3D printers, eventually?
Perhaps, but that's quite far away still
I like the idea of RISC-V, but I need something like a Raspberry Pi except RISC-V. I can accept a little jank, but it needs to be "good enough" if you catch my drift.
Are there any performance benchmarks for the Star64?
Pine64 claims the chip to have performance similar to certain Cortex-A55 processors, which would put the Star64 on par with the Raspberry 4 series. Is that true?
OpenBSD got a grant from the DoD, and then Theo posted his opinions of the post-9/11 US government, and they put a stop on the check before it even crossed the border. He pissed a lot of folks inside the Beltway off that day.
The original post called it a mental illness, i was following that. Apologies if I caused offence it was not intended.
So do you also think it is a mental illness, or are you just being a middle school edgelord?
The original post referred to it as a mental illness, and claimed that was a reason to ignore their contribution. I was simply pointing out the silliness of that logic. I dont think its a mental illness, amd I have absolutely no problem with the trans community.
was simply pointing out the silliness of that logic
There are many, many ways you could have done that without repeating the bigoted belief that being trans is supposedly a mental illness.
I didnt say anything about trans people in my original comment, and deliberately didnt quote the original post as its language disgusts me. Again, sorry for any offence caused, it was not intentional.
I didnt say anything about trans people in my original comment and deliberately didnt quote the original post as its language disgusts me
So why did you repeat the "mental illness" part?
If you really mean what you're saying just take the L this one time and move on.
You are bad faith and trying to put words in to op's mouth you are the one that should have moved on after his second reply.
Being trans is not a mental illness but let's not encourage stigma around mental illness either.
Cis people with mental illness are valid
Trans people with mental illness are valid
Mentally healthy trans people are valid
Mentally healthy cis people are valid
I mean, being trans is perfectly valid, but I think gender dysphoria itself should be classified as a mental illness so long as it brings significant pain/distress to the individual, the solution there is just gender reassignment, surgery, hormones, etc. I don't think there should be stigma in calling it such, it needs treatment the same as anything else. People with ADHD have a mental illness and get meds, sometimes therapy, people with poor eyesight have an ocular dysfunction of some kind and get glasses or surgery or whatever, none of it should be that big a deal. The point is it can be diagnosed and treated.
I think the response to shit like "transgenderism" being a mental disease should be "well at least their/our dysphoria can be treated now, what's your excuse?"
don't threaten me with a good time
It's so easy to be called *phobic these days. It reminds of those relationships in which people feel like they are walking on eggshells.
This is actually something that bugs me about GitHub - I'm a Professional Software Developer, and we use GitHub enterprise internally at work (don't @ me, we don't have the budget to run our own infrastructure, BitBucket is crap and the sales person at GitLab ghosted me on 3 consecutive calls that we set up to discuss our needs). I'm also in charge of a team, and actively encourage the team to contribute to open source - find a bug? Draw up reproduction steps, report it upstream, and Fridays after lunch are dedicated to getting those bugs fixed. One of these days one of my team is going to run across one of these assholes, and I'm going to have a proper HR incident on my hands because that is a hostile work environment. Doesn't matter that it is a member of the public being a dick, I've got an obligation to ensure that my staff have a workplace free of harassment, and I've got absolutely no recourse against this other than to say "cool, we don't contribute to this repo anymore".
that is a hostile work environment
I understand your frustration. I go to GitHub für code, not for some weirdo's Telegram channel. But, come on, do your employees have access to the internet? Does someone maintain a Facebook page on the clock? Is Google allowed? Reasonable people can distinguish between workplace and internet hate.
Where I live at least, there is a difference because they are performing a task that they are being directed to perform as part of their job, as opposed to just randomly stumbling across hate while browsing the internet - if I've directed one of my staff to "submit a PR to this repo and work with the maintainers to get it merged" and some asshole drops into the comments they are being forced to engage in that situation, and that is not ok.
One case that I've heard of is a pizza delivery place that had to pay some serious compensation to a couple of their delivery people because they refused to stop accepting orders from someone who would be super abusive if their delivery person wasn't a white guy. Management knew what was happening, the drivers had complained and asked for a resolution, management had refused to do anything about it, so the business had to pay compensation.
Where I live at least, there is a difference because they are performing a task that they are being directed to perform as part of their job
I agree. This makes it a workplace problem. Sucks.
the sales person at GitLab ghosted me on 3 consecutive calls that we set up to discuss our needs).
I'm guessing they looked at your company and decided you weren't worth enough to them.
We found Gitlab's pricing to be, frankly, ridiculous for the number of seats we have. Shame, the product is nice, just the sales team and pricing structure blows goats.
Rules around preventing a hostile work environment don't place an obligation on anyone to prevent it at all costs. It means that if an employee or - more relevantly here - a customer - is being hostile, then the workplace needs to make sure the employee or customer stops. But if you work in a call centre cold calling people, your company isn't going to get fined if you get an earful of abuse. (They might get fined for cold-calling depending on specifics :P) Same here.
Transphobia and such aside (which are shitty and unnecessary in their own right), how on earth can you realistically boycott Wayland when nearly every last Xorg dev has moved to Wayland permanently?
X11 is simply end of life, and there are no display server technologies or protocols that exist to challenge Wayland because no one cares enough to bother with the immesnse work it entails? At best you'll be stuck on a legacy distro for a few years until your display drivers become too out of date for whatever apps you use.
I don't really understand why people hate so much on transsexuality these days. Calling them a 'scourge' and 'mentally ill". What BS. Trans people are not hurting anyone. They just want to be their true self.
One of the arguments often used (also here) is that they are trying to force other people to be trans (in this case the poster says "they think everyone should get puberty blockers"). Which is complete BS, I have never met a trans person that wanted everyone else to be trans too.
It seems to be a big pet peeve of the extreme-right these days. I just don't understand why.
If they had to get mad at reality, there’d be a lot less to be mad about. Being mad about made-up BS is a way for them to have their cake and eat it too. It’s boogeymen all the way down.
They thrive of hating the weaker groups in society. If you want some morbid fun, try asking one of those what they should do with trans people if the had the power...
They want everyone to be cis, so obviously everyone else wants people to be in their groups too!
The main reason is that they try to control what people think and how they feel. They don't understand that just because they want to be seen and treated a certain way doesn't mean everyone else needs to accommodate them.
If you believe men can't be women (and vice-versa), that's fine. If you believe they can, that's fine too.
If you believe your view is an abject fact and there should be no discussion, then that's not fine. Unfortunately, a lot of people fall into the last category where they hear something that challenges their beliefs and immediately want to censor it. All that does is create enemies by telling people they can't discuss their views.
It's an effective tactic, on both sides.
Nobody is trying to control what people think or how they feel.
You're really just being an ignorant fool in every comment you post, aren't you?
Those in power hate losing control. That's why bodily autonomy, sexual freedom, critical thinking, accurate history, and religious diversity are all their go-to boogymen.
Trans folk are just one of the more recent groups to be targeted.
I've known four out trans people. One was a piece of shit. The other three turned out to be amazing and empathetic people who all made my life better just by knowing them.
It turns out, when you deal with people being entitled jerks to you all day, that tends to make you a better person. Forged in fire and all that.
The easiest way to steer a group is to get them all riled up about an issue that you don't really need to do something about. Whenever you sense dissent or disorder you pull out that issue and everyone's focused again and then you do whatever is actually in order.
What a charming person, I would love to run him over with a steamroller.
::: spoiler spoiler
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Good job reinforcing the stereotype that transgender people are violent and mentally unstable.
Under the steamroller with you! There's no stopping the gay agenda! mwhahahahaha
::: spoiler images/emojis
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The gay agenda involves two gallons of milk, two dozen eggs, and some potting soil. I can get the milk and eggs if you can go to the hardware store for that soil.
Good job reinforcing the fact that transphobes are dumb as shit
how I sleep after calling for violence against shithead transphobes
How dare you be upset when you are insulted!
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Really? Jokes about steam roller counts as violence? Those Looney Toon be a real scary show for ya? Wild they make it for kids.
Shame on you. Feign your mock outrage and cry those crocodile tears, for the rest of us are laughing at the sad transparency.
In what world is driving a steamroller over someone not violent? How would you like it if someone made a meme about driving a steamroller over transgender people?
🐊 😭
You're reaching and you know it.
You didn't answer my question.
Because it's a very silly question, one that I'm not going to entertain because...
Do you really think this person is out renting a steam roller?And trying to find the street address of that person now?!
You are steching so hard to call this a violent threat when it could not be more silly. You're not motivated by "preventing violence", because the entire premise here is ridiculous at face value. You're motivated by wanting to call trans people unstable.
Go tell your friends, your boss, your family you stopped someone from getting killed by a steam roller by saying "tut tut, ur crazy" on the internet. You know damn well they are gonna laugh at you.
So I presume if someone posted a comment saying “I'd love to roll him over with a steamroller” under a post about a transgender person, you would not consider that a violent threat because they are not going to actually get a steamroller?
Context is everything. You are deliberately conflating a ridiculous joke with a veiled threat. You know the difference, so why are you feigning ignorance?
I genuinely don't understand why it's supposedly a joke in one case and a threat in the other. Can you explain that?
Because the picture of the "gayroller 2000" is very obvious satire from the known-satire comic The Oatmeal, originally posted to satirise conservatives' baseless fears of "the gay agenda". Seeing a pattern?
On the other hand, there a pattern of hostility, hatred, and violence from conservatives towards LGBT people. This pattern is both historical and contemporary, and currently it is absurdly common for LGBT people to be called "groomers" and be accused of being dangerous to children.
Gay people obviously do not want to run over straight people with a steamroller. On the other hand, the people posting wood chipper memes... Some of them would, and have, followed through.
Alright, I didn't know this was a parody of an existing image. You could've said that the first time. But there was still the accompanying sentence…
You want give some context here? We don't even know who is speaking in these screenshots, and to what end. Why would this even be a conversation?
Seems like some open source dev that responds to the "boycott wayland gist" and is against wayland.
Edit: When I wrote the above, I didn't really realize what Wayland even was
It's like the systemd argument all over again. SIGH
I've filed a report to GitHub on this guy, I assume you did the same but ugh, people suck.
binex-dsk is now shadowbanned on GitHub
I remember back when I thought all FOSS was part of the FSF, and that itself was formed of hippie liberal progressives. Had a rude awakening when I found about the MIT vs GPL rift, and then another on HN when I realised half the people in software were just there to make money.
I had a period where I didn't really understand the GPL or what it was trying to do. All I knew is that it was ""viral"" (whatever the hell that meant!) and that, supposedly, trying to use it would forever bind you and your creation to who knows what unforeseen legal horrors. I mean, look how long it is! It's frightening! I wanted absolutely nothing to do with it at first.
Then I got a clue and actually read it. It's quite straightforward. For almost all serves and purposes it's basically just MIT plus copyleft. All the legal density is just an effort to squash every conceivable loophole to the copyleft directive. I'm no longer afraid of it, I think it's pretty cool.
The thing I want to know now is why so many projects think their shit don't stink and that they need to pollute the FOSS ecosystem with their own stupid permissive license that is functionally identical to the MIT license.
Could be they like the idea of being in control of the license or something like that
Could also have to do with running a gauntlet of lawyers to be allowed to open some code you wrote.
So like... and hear me out, software has just changed over time. Way more people use and develop it now, so it kind of makes sense that it would revolve around what most people are interested in. That's not really hippie liberal progressive stuff. I'm in it for that. I'm all about the GPL. But while we are a relative minority, it's not like our absolute numbers have dropped or even stagnated.
I'd say we're growing at a steady pace. I think it happens with pretty much all new forms of art. Look at video games, movies, music, etc.
My simple worldview: The Linux kernel is a good thing. A community driven project that betters the world by putting control into the power of the people, written by the goodwill of developers in their free time, and later, reluctantly by big corps who saw it as a threat too big to ignore.
To my naive self, these were all sure signs that the world was moving progressively to the side of the economic left, born out of a need for a common world computing infrastructure/kernel. Nice people doing nice things for other people. Sharing/caring, etc. etc. I genuinely assumed a strong social left movement dominated computer science.
Again, I was shocked by how many people just wanted to use it to found their startups, not share their code, or not contribute anything back to the frameworks that empowered them.
[Completely unrelated to the content] How the heck is this post managing to crash two out of my three lemmy clients?
It's probably Wayland
Evil Wayland is making their app crash
Maybe they don't support multiple images at once?
Make sure to report it 🤠
same for me
Jerboah works fine. Really after trying around its the best
Have you tried Eternity?
Yup, makes no sense as I dont need multiple accounts for privacy, yet. And its broken in many features
Unsurprising. I've seen a fair amount of people in the Linux community like this.
It's also quite hilarious to see them frothing at the mouth so much over Gnome getting some money to aid in accessibility improvements lol. Can't be having the less abled using computers now, can we?
Wait until FOSS nerds learn that the NSA and DoD are some of the top upstream contributors to FOSS projects.
tl;dr?
Someone is mad that GNOME got a 1 000 000 € grant from the government and is blaming trans people
Sorry for the Windows emojis lol, I'm on a computer shop as I post this on lunch break
I would never have known if you hadn't told me. XD
I dont understand, give context, who is binex-dsk and why should I care?
I'm actually pro LGTB and hate Wayland. Don't make us all look as conservative scumbags. Some of use just hate Red Hat (IBM) because of their big corp nature.
Why do you hate wayland?
Careful you don't come off as a sealion.
Though this is a thread about Wayland so eh.
This comic never made sense to me. She hates sea lions because they don't let people talk shit about them. Seems like she's the problem here in neo london where sapient sea lions live among us. They're here, get over it.
Damn, imagine having to answer this question every time you say you don't like something.
Something tells me you don't ask this when people say they hate X.
By x you mean twitter? Maybe because its very clear and visible why its shit.
With Wayland, not so much. I don't see any issues with it either, so by asking someone who hates it, why. Maybe that person will mention something i didn't know yet and see their perspective.
The X windowing system.
Well that's a weird thing to say then because there are enough people who dislike it and then people ask "why" all the time.
Same goes for Wayland.
Exactly?
I mean yeah, it's obvious why X/twitter is shit, everyone has the exact same opinion about this.
Why would I ask about that when the answer is obvious? And why would I not ask when the answer isn't obvious?
I'm talking about the X windowing system.
There's also plenty of obvious reasons to hate the X windowing system. Like that it's unmaintained and going the way of the dodo. Plus learning about a system that is old is less interesting than something that is new. I don't care about the ways a dead, unmaintained system sucks, so why would I ask?
Yeah, thanks for proving my point.
Your point being..?
If you wanted to know my opinions on X11, you could've just asked!
Your point being…?
Read my first sentence at the beginning of this comment chain.
Yeah, and I explained why that was true, why would I be interested in comments about X being bad? Where does that go?
Your point seems like nonsense. Of course I don't ask about X. There's also a billion other things I don't ask about, because they're boring.
Yeah, thanks for proving my point.
Your point is... that I wouldn't ask about x...? why even bother writing that.
Ah, the James Damore archetype of an engineer. I bet they get wet dreams imagining themselves as the Howard Roark of programming (and just as delusional).
Can we please stop making anything about how people feel about their selves?
Holy shit that is bad. I don't use wayland, but that's only because it freezes randomly on my 1650. (It's probably bc it's on an optimus laptop). I hope this person gets their github account banned.
I have a friend with a 1650 that got his issues fixed out of the box, when he switched to Nobara. Not Optimus, so YMMV.
I use Nobara on that laptop already. It's a great distro.
Well, that settles it then. Did you have to do anything after installing ?
Bc it was an install of Nobara 37 all I had to do was install envycontrol.
My friend told me today that he is seeing a second display in settings, however he only has one monitor. Any ideas on how to get rid of it? Did you have to do something to get DRM modest 1 on boot ?
It is not nice to generalize.
He has a point, but it's not really limited to trans people.
Mental illness in general seems to be revered among this generation, for some reason. I had to make some decisions about what sexes to include in my app, and I just went with 'male, female, and other.' I know that's going to piss some people off, but they can just deal with it.
The amount of additional work required to add and maintain a list of genders just isn't worth it. Thankfully this is mostly an issue in Western culture, and my app is worldwide.
People with an agenda expect you to bend over backwards to support that agenda because they care more about their agenda than what you're actually doing.
You don't need to maintain a list. Either don't have it at all or make it a free form text input.
Nah, that won't work because people are exposed to other users based on their preferences.
They would need to match preferences exactly, which I could allow them to specify but I think it would overcomplicate things without much benefit.
Okay, that's different. In most cases it's there for display purposes only.
Nobody will get upset about those 3 options. People might get pissed though at you being a dick about it and yelling about mental illnesses.
But its a nice excuse to be a bigot and then when people call you out, just act like its about the options in your application.
Who is yelling/being a dick? I'm talking about "people with an agenda expecting you to bend over backwards to support that agenda because they care more about their agenda than what you’re actually doing." There are people with mental illness who suffer genuine duress when others don't "bend over backwards to support their agenda."
On the other side of the spectrum, you'll have people getting mad I even include an 'other' option at all. Why? Because it goes against their agenda. They don't actually care about what I'm doing. They want to use it as a prop to support their ideals.
You seem to have contempt for the people you're describing. You would have had a winning comment if you had said the second sentence of the original comment and stopped. No need for the dismissive commentary.
If you're against Wayland, you are against peace freedom and democracy !! Also probably anti-Semite communist antilgbt brexiter , oh and racist of course !!
Lol, if we start excluding tech based on the inventors mental illnesses we are gonna end up bashing rocks together to make fire.
Edit: To be clear, I am not saying that being trans is a mental illness, only refuting that mental illness is not a reason to discard ones contributions. Apologies for any offence.
let me tell you about the guy who invented bashing rocks together ...
Pretty much lol. RMS went off the deep end so no GNU, Torvalds used to call people devil cunts so no Linux kernel. Theo probably did something to upset somebody lol. Maybe we can just use TempleOS and become computing hermits?
Goes back further than that, Turing was gay, so anything building off his works must also be transitively gay.
To add to the modern examples, Reiser murdered his wife, which really puts "devil cunts" into perspective :D
Goes back another 100 years before that. Lovelace was a woman, who in her time wasn't supposed to be doing anything at all
Back then people still believed in the "woman hysteria" thing, right? Ngl sounds very "mental illness" to me.
Well, using the same metrics would mean TempleOS is waaaaay out of the question.
Maybe Terry Davis was the real world Wonko the Sane?
Does being the last sane man on Earth make you crazy?
About as much as having a single functional eye in a country where everybody is blind makes you king.
Except all our hardware is made by major corporationw and there are no major corporations that work totally ethically and morally
Hmm maybe we'll run FreeDOS on breadboarded (vintage) 8086s and live in caves 😂.
A Microsoft (stolen) design and the most evil CPU arch?
At least caves might be ethically sourced.
Freedos is not MSDos though. And how is x86 evil?
Have you ever tried programming in straight x86 assembly? :P
RISC-V is a good start though
pretty hard to do computation on a pdf. which is what risc-v is. You need someone to design and build a chip according to what's in those pdfs
You know there's tons of real chips out already and more coming all the time?
ARM is as much just a spec at heart.
and arm do not manufacture chips. Usually tsmc or samsung do. The fact that chips exist is orthogonal to the argument of who ends up manufacturing them
Yes but who is going to manufacture that chip and board and components?
3D printers, eventually?
Perhaps, but that's quite far away still
I like the idea of RISC-V, but I need something like a Raspberry Pi except RISC-V. I can accept a little jank, but it needs to be "good enough" if you catch my drift.
Have you seen the Star64?
Are there any performance benchmarks for the Star64?
Pine64 claims the chip to have performance similar to certain Cortex-A55 processors, which would put the Star64 on par with the Raspberry 4 series. Is that true?
OpenBSD got a grant from the DoD, and then Theo posted his opinions of the post-9/11 US government, and they put a stop on the check before it even crossed the border. He pissed a lot of folks inside the Beltway off that day.
.>calling being trans a mental illness
The original post called it a mental illness, i was following that. Apologies if I caused offence it was not intended.
So do you also think it is a mental illness, or are you just being a middle school edgelord?
The original post referred to it as a mental illness, and claimed that was a reason to ignore their contribution. I was simply pointing out the silliness of that logic. I dont think its a mental illness, amd I have absolutely no problem with the trans community.
There are many, many ways you could have done that without repeating the bigoted belief that being trans is supposedly a mental illness.
I didnt say anything about trans people in my original comment, and deliberately didnt quote the original post as its language disgusts me. Again, sorry for any offence caused, it was not intentional.
So why did you repeat the "mental illness" part?
If you really mean what you're saying just take the L this one time and move on.
You are bad faith and trying to put words in to op's mouth you are the one that should have moved on after his second reply.
Being trans is not a mental illness but let's not encourage stigma around mental illness either.
Cis people with mental illness are valid
Trans people with mental illness are valid
Mentally healthy trans people are valid
Mentally healthy cis people are valid
I mean, being trans is perfectly valid, but I think gender dysphoria itself should be classified as a mental illness so long as it brings significant pain/distress to the individual, the solution there is just gender reassignment, surgery, hormones, etc. I don't think there should be stigma in calling it such, it needs treatment the same as anything else. People with ADHD have a mental illness and get meds, sometimes therapy, people with poor eyesight have an ocular dysfunction of some kind and get glasses or surgery or whatever, none of it should be that big a deal. The point is it can be diagnosed and treated.
I think the response to shit like "transgenderism" being a mental disease should be "well at least their/our dysphoria can be treated now, what's your excuse?"
don't threaten me with a good time
It's so easy to be called *phobic these days. It reminds of those relationships in which people feel like they are walking on eggshells.
sigh, people suck.
This is actually something that bugs me about GitHub - I'm a Professional Software Developer, and we use GitHub enterprise internally at work (don't @ me, we don't have the budget to run our own infrastructure, BitBucket is crap and the sales person at GitLab ghosted me on 3 consecutive calls that we set up to discuss our needs). I'm also in charge of a team, and actively encourage the team to contribute to open source - find a bug? Draw up reproduction steps, report it upstream, and Fridays after lunch are dedicated to getting those bugs fixed. One of these days one of my team is going to run across one of these assholes, and I'm going to have a proper HR incident on my hands because that is a hostile work environment. Doesn't matter that it is a member of the public being a dick, I've got an obligation to ensure that my staff have a workplace free of harassment, and I've got absolutely no recourse against this other than to say "cool, we don't contribute to this repo anymore".
I understand your frustration. I go to GitHub für code, not for some weirdo's Telegram channel. But, come on, do your employees have access to the internet? Does someone maintain a Facebook page on the clock? Is Google allowed? Reasonable people can distinguish between workplace and internet hate.
Where I live at least, there is a difference because they are performing a task that they are being directed to perform as part of their job, as opposed to just randomly stumbling across hate while browsing the internet - if I've directed one of my staff to "submit a PR to this repo and work with the maintainers to get it merged" and some asshole drops into the comments they are being forced to engage in that situation, and that is not ok.
One case that I've heard of is a pizza delivery place that had to pay some serious compensation to a couple of their delivery people because they refused to stop accepting orders from someone who would be super abusive if their delivery person wasn't a white guy. Management knew what was happening, the drivers had complained and asked for a resolution, management had refused to do anything about it, so the business had to pay compensation.
I agree. This makes it a workplace problem. Sucks.
I'm guessing they looked at your company and decided you weren't worth enough to them.
We found Gitlab's pricing to be, frankly, ridiculous for the number of seats we have. Shame, the product is nice, just the sales team and pricing structure blows goats.
Rules around preventing a hostile work environment don't place an obligation on anyone to prevent it at all costs. It means that if an employee or - more relevantly here - a customer - is being hostile, then the workplace needs to make sure the employee or customer stops. But if you work in a call centre cold calling people, your company isn't going to get fined if you get an earful of abuse. (They might get fined for cold-calling depending on specifics :P) Same here.
Transphobia and such aside (which are shitty and unnecessary in their own right), how on earth can you realistically boycott Wayland when nearly every last Xorg dev has moved to Wayland permanently?
X11 is simply end of life, and there are no display server technologies or protocols that exist to challenge Wayland because no one cares enough to bother with the immesnse work it entails? At best you'll be stuck on a legacy distro for a few years until your display drivers become too out of date for whatever apps you use.
I don't really understand why people hate so much on transsexuality these days. Calling them a 'scourge' and 'mentally ill". What BS. Trans people are not hurting anyone. They just want to be their true self.
One of the arguments often used (also here) is that they are trying to force other people to be trans (in this case the poster says "they think everyone should get puberty blockers"). Which is complete BS, I have never met a trans person that wanted everyone else to be trans too.
It seems to be a big pet peeve of the extreme-right these days. I just don't understand why.
If they had to get mad at reality, there’d be a lot less to be mad about. Being mad about made-up BS is a way for them to have their cake and eat it too. It’s boogeymen all the way down.
They thrive of hating the weaker groups in society. If you want some morbid fun, try asking one of those what they should do with trans people if the had the power...
They want everyone to be cis, so obviously everyone else wants people to be in their groups too!
The main reason is that they try to control what people think and how they feel. They don't understand that just because they want to be seen and treated a certain way doesn't mean everyone else needs to accommodate them.
If you believe men can't be women (and vice-versa), that's fine. If you believe they can, that's fine too.
If you believe your view is an abject fact and there should be no discussion, then that's not fine. Unfortunately, a lot of people fall into the last category where they hear something that challenges their beliefs and immediately want to censor it. All that does is create enemies by telling people they can't discuss their views.
It's an effective tactic, on both sides.
Nobody is trying to control what people think or how they feel. You're really just being an ignorant fool in every comment you post, aren't you?
Those in power hate losing control. That's why bodily autonomy, sexual freedom, critical thinking, accurate history, and religious diversity are all their go-to boogymen.
Trans folk are just one of the more recent groups to be targeted.
I've known four out trans people. One was a piece of shit. The other three turned out to be amazing and empathetic people who all made my life better just by knowing them.
It turns out, when you deal with people being entitled jerks to you all day, that tends to make you a better person. Forged in fire and all that.
The easiest way to steer a group is to get them all riled up about an issue that you don't really need to do something about. Whenever you sense dissent or disorder you pull out that issue and everyone's focused again and then you do whatever is actually in order.
What a charming person, I would love to run him over with a steamroller. ::: spoiler spoiler
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Good job reinforcing the stereotype that transgender people are violent and mentally unstable.
Under the steamroller with you! There's no stopping the gay agenda! mwhahahahaha
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The gay agenda involves two gallons of milk, two dozen eggs, and some potting soil. I can get the milk and eggs if you can go to the hardware store for that soil.
Good job reinforcing the fact that transphobes are dumb as shit
how I sleep after calling for violence against shithead transphobes
How dare you be upset when you are insulted!
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Really? Jokes about steam roller counts as violence? Those Looney Toon be a real scary show for ya? Wild they make it for kids.
Shame on you. Feign your mock outrage and cry those crocodile tears, for the rest of us are laughing at the sad transparency.
In what world is driving a steamroller over someone not violent? How would you like it if someone made a meme about driving a steamroller over transgender people?
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You're reaching and you know it.
You didn't answer my question.
Because it's a very silly question, one that I'm not going to entertain because...
Do you really think this person is out renting a steam roller? And trying to find the street address of that person now?!
You are steching so hard to call this a violent threat when it could not be more silly. You're not motivated by "preventing violence", because the entire premise here is ridiculous at face value. You're motivated by wanting to call trans people unstable.
Go tell your friends, your boss, your family you stopped someone from getting killed by a steam roller by saying "tut tut, ur crazy" on the internet. You know damn well they are gonna laugh at you.
So I presume if someone posted a comment saying “I'd love to roll him over with a steamroller” under a post about a transgender person, you would not consider that a violent threat because they are not going to actually get a steamroller?
Context is everything. You are deliberately conflating a ridiculous joke with a veiled threat. You know the difference, so why are you feigning ignorance?
I genuinely don't understand why it's supposedly a joke in one case and a threat in the other. Can you explain that?
Because the picture of the "gayroller 2000" is very obvious satire from the known-satire comic The Oatmeal, originally posted to satirise conservatives' baseless fears of "the gay agenda". Seeing a pattern?
On the other hand, there a pattern of hostility, hatred, and violence from conservatives towards LGBT people. This pattern is both historical and contemporary, and currently it is absurdly common for LGBT people to be called "groomers" and be accused of being dangerous to children.
Gay people obviously do not want to run over straight people with a steamroller. On the other hand, the people posting wood chipper memes... Some of them would, and have, followed through.
Alright, I didn't know this was a parody of an existing image. You could've said that the first time. But there was still the accompanying sentence…
stfu nerd
Respectability politics is nazi shit
you should die too, you worthless bigot
Let's not pretend that you actually give a damn about transgender people. This is just concern trolling.
I do give a damn about violent threats on the internet.
I quite simply do not believe that for even a second.
Do you also think video games encourage violence?
Which video game contains violence against a specific real-life person?
First, many, second, how do you feel personally threatened by a drawn steamroller running over xenophobes?
I don't personally feel threatened. But the glorification of violence against a specific person is worrying.
You're the kind of person who believes Onion headlines
Rage bait. Don't fall for this, fellas.
You want give some context here? We don't even know who is speaking in these screenshots, and to what end. Why would this even be a conversation?
Seems like some open source dev that responds to the "boycott wayland gist" and is against wayland.
It's like the systemd argument all over again. SIGH
I've filed a report to GitHub on this guy, I assume you did the same but ugh, people suck.
binex-dsk is now shadowbanned on GitHub
I remember back when I thought all FOSS was part of the FSF, and that itself was formed of hippie liberal progressives. Had a rude awakening when I found about the MIT vs GPL rift, and then another on HN when I realised half the people in software were just there to make money.
I had a period where I didn't really understand the GPL or what it was trying to do. All I knew is that it was ""viral"" (whatever the hell that meant!) and that, supposedly, trying to use it would forever bind you and your creation to who knows what unforeseen legal horrors. I mean, look how long it is! It's frightening! I wanted absolutely nothing to do with it at first.
Then I got a clue and actually read it. It's quite straightforward. For almost all serves and purposes it's basically just MIT plus copyleft. All the legal density is just an effort to squash every conceivable loophole to the copyleft directive. I'm no longer afraid of it, I think it's pretty cool.
The thing I want to know now is why so many projects think their shit don't stink and that they need to pollute the FOSS ecosystem with their own stupid permissive license that is functionally identical to the MIT license.
Could be they like the idea of being in control of the license or something like that
Could also have to do with running a gauntlet of lawyers to be allowed to open some code you wrote.
So like... and hear me out, software has just changed over time. Way more people use and develop it now, so it kind of makes sense that it would revolve around what most people are interested in. That's not really hippie liberal progressive stuff. I'm in it for that. I'm all about the GPL. But while we are a relative minority, it's not like our absolute numbers have dropped or even stagnated.
I'd say we're growing at a steady pace. I think it happens with pretty much all new forms of art. Look at video games, movies, music, etc.
My simple worldview: The Linux kernel is a good thing. A community driven project that betters the world by putting control into the power of the people, written by the goodwill of developers in their free time, and later, reluctantly by big corps who saw it as a threat too big to ignore.
To my naive self, these were all sure signs that the world was moving progressively to the side of the economic left, born out of a need for a common world computing infrastructure/kernel. Nice people doing nice things for other people. Sharing/caring, etc. etc. I genuinely assumed a strong social left movement dominated computer science.
Again, I was shocked by how many people just wanted to use it to found their startups, not share their code, or not contribute anything back to the frameworks that empowered them.
[Completely unrelated to the content] How the heck is this post managing to crash two out of my three lemmy clients?
It's probably Wayland
Evil Wayland is making their app crash
Maybe they don't support multiple images at once?
Make sure to report it 🤠
same for me
Jerboah works fine. Really after trying around its the best
Have you tried Eternity?
Yup, makes no sense as I dont need multiple accounts for privacy, yet. And its broken in many features
Unsurprising. I've seen a fair amount of people in the Linux community like this.
It's also quite hilarious to see them frothing at the mouth so much over Gnome getting some money to aid in accessibility improvements lol. Can't be having the less abled using computers now, can we?
Wait until FOSS nerds learn that the NSA and DoD are some of the top upstream contributors to FOSS projects.
tl;dr?
Someone is mad that GNOME got a 1 000 000 € grant from the government and is blaming trans people
Sorry for the Windows emojis lol, I'm on a computer shop as I post this on lunch break
I would never have known if you hadn't told me. XD
I dont understand, give context, who is binex-dsk and why should I care?
I'm actually pro LGTB and hate Wayland. Don't make us all look as conservative scumbags. Some of use just hate Red Hat (IBM) because of their big corp nature.
Why do you hate wayland?
Careful you don't come off as a sealion.
Though this is a thread about Wayland so eh.
This comic never made sense to me. She hates sea lions because they don't let people talk shit about them. Seems like she's the problem here in neo london where sapient sea lions live among us. They're here, get over it.
I'm absolutely team sea-lion here, did you read that comic?
I mean, just imagine if the sea-lion was a black person...
Damn, imagine having to answer this question every time you say you don't like something.
Something tells me you don't ask this when people say they hate X.
By x you mean twitter? Maybe because its very clear and visible why its shit.
With Wayland, not so much. I don't see any issues with it either, so by asking someone who hates it, why. Maybe that person will mention something i didn't know yet and see their perspective.
The X windowing system.
Well that's a weird thing to say then because there are enough people who dislike it and then people ask "why" all the time.
Same goes for Wayland.
Exactly?
I mean yeah, it's obvious why X/twitter is shit, everyone has the exact same opinion about this.
Why would I ask about that when the answer is obvious? And why would I not ask when the answer isn't obvious?
I'm talking about the X windowing system.
There's also plenty of obvious reasons to hate the X windowing system. Like that it's unmaintained and going the way of the dodo. Plus learning about a system that is old is less interesting than something that is new. I don't care about the ways a dead, unmaintained system sucks, so why would I ask?
Yeah, thanks for proving my point.
Your point being..?
If you wanted to know my opinions on X11, you could've just asked!
Read my first sentence at the beginning of this comment chain.
Yeah, and I explained why that was true, why would I be interested in comments about X being bad? Where does that go?
Your point seems like nonsense. Of course I don't ask about X. There's also a billion other things I don't ask about, because they're boring.
Yeah, thanks for proving my point.
Your point is... that I wouldn't ask about x...? why even bother writing that.
So do you not use linux then?
I have to, the alternative is Windows, but I've also been exploring OpenBSD.
Ah, the James Damore archetype of an engineer. I bet they get wet dreams imagining themselves as the Howard Roark of programming (and just as delusional).
Can we please stop making anything about how people feel about their selves?
Holy shit that is bad. I don't use wayland, but that's only because it freezes randomly on my 1650. (It's probably bc it's on an optimus laptop). I hope this person gets their github account banned.
I have a friend with a 1650 that got his issues fixed out of the box, when he switched to Nobara. Not Optimus, so YMMV.
I use Nobara on that laptop already. It's a great distro.
Well, that settles it then. Did you have to do anything after installing ?
Bc it was an install of Nobara 37 all I had to do was install envycontrol.
My friend told me today that he is seeing a second display in settings, however he only has one monitor. Any ideas on how to get rid of it? Did you have to do something to get DRM modest 1 on boot ?
It is not nice to generalize.
He has a point, but it's not really limited to trans people.
Mental illness in general seems to be revered among this generation, for some reason. I had to make some decisions about what sexes to include in my app, and I just went with 'male, female, and other.' I know that's going to piss some people off, but they can just deal with it.
The amount of additional work required to add and maintain a list of genders just isn't worth it. Thankfully this is mostly an issue in Western culture, and my app is worldwide.
People with an agenda expect you to bend over backwards to support that agenda because they care more about their agenda than what you're actually doing.
You don't need to maintain a list. Either don't have it at all or make it a free form text input.
Nah, that won't work because people are exposed to other users based on their preferences.
They would need to match preferences exactly, which I could allow them to specify but I think it would overcomplicate things without much benefit.
Okay, that's different. In most cases it's there for display purposes only.
Nobody will get upset about those 3 options. People might get pissed though at you being a dick about it and yelling about mental illnesses.
But its a nice excuse to be a bigot and then when people call you out, just act like its about the options in your application.
Who is yelling/being a dick? I'm talking about "people with an agenda expecting you to bend over backwards to support that agenda because they care more about their agenda than what you’re actually doing." There are people with mental illness who suffer genuine duress when others don't "bend over backwards to support their agenda."
On the other side of the spectrum, you'll have people getting mad I even include an 'other' option at all. Why? Because it goes against their agenda. They don't actually care about what I'm doing. They want to use it as a prop to support their ideals.
You seem to have contempt for the people you're describing. You would have had a winning comment if you had said the second sentence of the original comment and stopped. No need for the dismissive commentary.
If you're against Wayland, you are against peace freedom and democracy !! Also probably anti-Semite communist antilgbt brexiter , oh and racist of course !!
this except communism is cool and based actually