Third party client support. Specifically alternate web UI's focused on desktop like Alexandrite because if I'm being honest here, I think the comment nesting in Lemmy's offical web UI lacks enough distinction to be useful on desktop (its clearly optimized for mobile browsers). Following conversations can be frustrating on desktop. Without Alexandrite I'd most likely be a mobile app (Voyager) user only.
Edit: No, third party web front ends for reddit do not work anymore. Remember those pesky API changes that went into effect in July and were the entire reason the majority of us are on lemmy now? Yeah, that didn't just kill off third party mobile apps.
To those downvoting: save the downvotes for comments that aren't productive, this is a pretty reasonable answer
The comment also highlights this same point. The different UI's make it so that everyone can have an experience that they enjoy, mobile and web.
For example, we have these:
Uptime history at status.lemmy.ca
Mlmym interface at old.lemmy.ca
Voyager interface at voyager.lemmy.ca
Photon interface at photon.lemmy.ca
Alexandrite interface at alex.lemmy.ca
photon looks good, Are there any other ui shells?
Those are the only ones I know about
There's also this one but I don't think any instances are running it
A lot of that functionality no longer works after the API changes. Even in the GitHub of some of those, they mention some basic features won't work, e.g. private messages.
Because developers aren't willing to pay the new API fees, not because of technical limitations. So that doesn't take away at all from the fact that 3rd party frontends for reddit exist.
That's not entirely true. Some of the previously available API hooks literally cannot be used by third parties anymore, even if you pay. Just go look at the reddit developer posts discussing it.
But also not really relevant to the initial point. Not being able to watch porn from reddit via 3rd party apps is quite different statement than there being no 3rd party apps.
Those weren't the only hooks to get axed, but certainly the most noticeable. Look, I never fully disagreed with you, I just said it's not fully functional, which is true and also relevant to the comment topic.
Right ... something is wrong with me. Not the people argue over something that is objectivly false and can be verified in less then 15 seconds.
And I honestly don't get why. Are you people so upset about reddit you'd rather deny reality just so you can claim having some feature over reddit? How fucking pathetic is that?
lol Jesus tap dancing christ.
Hey, thanks for this scathing glimpse into your suckhole of a brain pocket, kiddo. Blocked. 😘
Do you really expect the developers of those free and open source apps to pay for you using their app?
No.
So that doesn't take away at all from the fact that 3rd party frontends for reddit exist.
I think you're just being needlessly pedantic here
In all seriousness, all apps and frontends should to implement countermeasures (if they haven't already) so that you can turn off image previews as needed
Didn't new reddit start having that? Never saw it except when not logged in mind you.
It did, but it was a "premium feature" - paying users would have to "boost" a community to alow them to enable this feature.
Only when enough users boosted, the feature became available. And once that threshold was no longer reached, the feature would go away.
...fun. They really took us for granted, eh.
Also it never worked in my third party app and became some stupid placeholder scrapyard, as you couldn't see the image.
Actually that feature isn't even that much abused
So here is an useless gif
Also that up and down votes are not tallied on user profiles. One of the issues with reddit is that if your point of view is unpopular, you cant discuss it on subs that require X amount of karma. Eventually you will be downvoted into being unable to reply. Here, conversation is more open and accounts dont carry a scarlet letter.
Pretty sure the downvote count has a limited effect on total karma. It was to counter downvote brigade from silencing people as you said.
This also seems to have the effect of people getting less salty at being down voted, on reddit I noticed the trend of people verbally expressing salt at even a single down vote editing their whole comment to go "and to the brainlet sheeple soyjack who down voted me I'd like you to know yada yada"
Here I notice less people throwing a verbal tantrum over the idea not everyone likes their opinion. Whenever I get the occasional down vote barrage at a spicy opinion I think "ah well can't win em all, guess maybe my opinion might be a little shit" not amend my post with "HOW FUCKING DARE YOU YOU FUCKING SUBHUMAN TROGLODYTES"
The downvotes are actually nice to see if you can still see upvotes.
On Reddit if a post goes to -50 I just delete it to silence the mob.
On Lemmy if I see +100/-150 I know it drove debate instead of just pissing people off.
I would consider that a downside tbh
Unfortunately, your score is too low to have that opinion.
I feel like it makes the conversation feel less hive-mindy as people arnt hunting for upvotes, they just say stuff (for better or worse).
I had a ton of karma by just saying stuff. I never even tried having popular opinions or baiting for upvotes.
I feel the opposite. Still all but one opinion gets drowned out. It's just that now the opinion that survives is the one that screams the loudest rather than the mainstream one
I still remember how annoyed I was when reddit disabled that. It was a useful data point, especially in hobby communities or other places where it can be difficult for newbies to judge the quality of advice/answers they're receiving so I was thrilled to see it here on Lemmy. Going by upvotes alone is not always showing you an accurate picture of a community's reaction to a comment.
It's why I'm still furious about YouTube removing the dislike count. That single decision has probably led to lots more people getting scammed--and YouTube not getting my premium dollars I would've otherwise gave.
And the ability to turn off scores entirely! I run it that way most of the time. A post can have thousands of up/down votes but I can't tell and it keeps it from infuencing how I'll vote.
It was a feature I wanted to experiment with on reddit but couldn't
No advertising whatsoever; this was a thing on the mobile apps without paying. Nice it looks streamlined and less cluttered too.
I have app options to choose from!
This is the biggest one for me.
At some point I stopped using Reddit on the web/desktop and just started to use it on my phone/tablet. I tried different apps, but settled with RIF. Every few years I'd try different apps, but always found my way back to RIF.
Reddit did a bunch of stupid things over the years, but I could happily ignore them and continue to use RIF.
When RIF went away I had to find a new app. The official app wasn't going to work for me. Old Reddit on the phone wasn't going to work for me.
Luckily there are plenty of Lemmy apps. I've settled on Voyager (wefwef) but Boost seems fine too.
Sure, the content has changed a bit, but it's close enough.
For me a good app is key. Lemmy has good apps. I use Lemmy.
So many apps redesign themselves and assume I'll get used to it. In actuality they cause me to wonder, "Do I still need you?" and start looking for alternatives.
That isn't to say that apps can't ever redesign themselves, but so many redesigns seem to follow the latest trend and don't demonstrate a clear understanding of their users.
Coming from an Apollo user, Voyager feels like home to me.
Pretty much exactly my story. Went from RIF to Boost.
Of even if they do redesign, couldn't they keep the old as an option? Why do they always throw out the baby with the bathwater?
good People
Public viewable Mod Log
Defederation of Bad Instances.
Fewer users.
Once a site hits a critical mass of users the amount of content goes up and quality goes down. Once you reach that point it begins accelerating and turns the whole community to trash.
To be fair, this can be offset by sticking to smaller communities. All the large communities on reddit were low quality, but reddit's large userbase allowed a lot of niche communities to exist with an acceptable amount of users. Lemmy (with its smaller overall user numbers) has much better "large" communities, but many of the niche communities barely have enough active users to get by.
I really like being able to edit the post title and the 6 hour top sort. Although I would like 3 or 4 hours even better.
you can ask for this feature directly to the dev, that what i prefer it to reddit
Federation, no ads, so many third party apps, lil' bit nicer people.
Language, you can filter content by language you speak
Edit title, If with my broken english and autocorrect, I write down does anybody now about a boardgame for trees ? I can do a ninja edit without deleting the post
Interaction with Mastodon (and the rest of the fedi), seriously, imagine being able to answer to a tweet from reddit, with Lemmy you can answer to a toot
How do trees play board games?
Rather woodenly, but they're always trying to branch out.
Not being a for-profit thing goes a long way toward improving user experience
The community is more mature, less stupid pun chains (pretty sure those are mostly bots at this point), and less presence of interest groups (nefarious or not).
Well shit, I loved the pun chains!
It's probably cause you look punny
Summer is never endless, I wonder when those things will arrive in the Fediverse and ruin everything
Little instances of rage bait, karma bait, horny bait and WhOleSomE (fake story) bait
...for now
No u/Spez.
A ghastly visage.
Reported for NSFW. I didn't want to see a horrible cunt in my feed.
/s (not the second half though)
amiright?!
3rd party apps
A functional selection of apps.
I can selfhost it
It's pretty obvious people aren't talking about apis that must be paid for that are ridiculously restrictively expensive
Real communism has never happened, except in Monsters Inc where the workers seized the means of production to create a better company from the worker to the workers.
Multiple communities for the same topic, but on different Lemmy instances.
This is both good and bad (which c/ do I subscribe to?) but I argue its a pro more than a con.
Third party client support. Specifically alternate web UI's focused on desktop like Alexandrite because if I'm being honest here, I think the comment nesting in Lemmy's offical web UI lacks enough distinction to be useful on desktop (its clearly optimized for mobile browsers). Following conversations can be frustrating on desktop. Without Alexandrite I'd most likely be a mobile app (Voyager) user only.
Edit: No, third party web front ends for reddit do not work anymore. Remember those pesky API changes that went into effect in July and were the entire reason the majority of us are on lemmy now? Yeah, that didn't just kill off third party mobile apps.
To those downvoting: save the downvotes for comments that aren't productive, this is a pretty reasonable answer
The comment also highlights this same point. The different UI's make it so that everyone can have an experience that they enjoy, mobile and web.
For example, we have these:
photon looks good, Are there any other ui shells?
Those are the only ones I know about
There's also this one but I don't think any instances are running it
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmyBB
The topic specifically asks for features that are NOT availible on reddit.
Does reddit have user editable front ends you can host yourself?
Yes.
Ooh cool.
https://github.com/mendel5/alternative-front-ends
Apparently a lot of stuff does. I know what I’m spending my weekend looking into.
None of those work anymore after the API changes. Which is the entire point of my original comment.
Yes, and third party clients, specifically alternate web UIs are not available on Reddit.
But they are ...
Can you mention one then?
You literally only have to type "reddit frontend" into google, but I'll help you out.
https://github.com/mendel5/alternative-front-ends
https://github.com/cryptoguy55/shininggowl-reddit-clone-frontend
https://github.com/junipf/reddit-frontend
https://github.com/libreddit/libreddit
https://github.com/Hoda233/SW-Frontend-Reddit
A lot of that functionality no longer works after the API changes. Even in the GitHub of some of those, they mention some basic features won't work, e.g. private messages.
Because developers aren't willing to pay the new API fees, not because of technical limitations. So that doesn't take away at all from the fact that 3rd party frontends for reddit exist.
That's not entirely true. Some of the previously available API hooks literally cannot be used by third parties anymore, even if you pay. Just go look at the reddit developer posts discussing it.
But also not really relevant to the initial point. Not being able to watch porn from reddit via 3rd party apps is quite different statement than there being no 3rd party apps.
Those weren't the only hooks to get axed, but certainly the most noticeable. Look, I never fully disagreed with you, I just said it's not fully functional, which is true and also relevant to the comment topic.
Wtf is wrong with you
Right ... something is wrong with me. Not the people argue over something that is objectivly false and can be verified in less then 15 seconds.
And I honestly don't get why. Are you people so upset about reddit you'd rather deny reality just so you can claim having some feature over reddit? How fucking pathetic is that?
lol Jesus tap dancing christ.
Hey, thanks for this scathing glimpse into your suckhole of a brain pocket, kiddo. Blocked. 😘
Do you really expect the developers of those free and open source apps to pay for you using their app?
No.
I think you're just being needlessly pedantic here
It was borderline, but I found it to still be true
People made their own frontends, which could then hosted officially by the instance with the resources to go with it.
That doesn't happen with Reddit, where the alternative frontends are run separately and the usefulness varies
In all seriousness, all apps and frontends should to implement countermeasures (if they haven't already) so that you can turn off image previews as needed
Didn't new reddit start having that? Never saw it except when not logged in mind you.
It did, but it was a "premium feature" - paying users would have to "boost" a community to alow them to enable this feature.
Only when enough users boosted, the feature became available. And once that threshold was no longer reached, the feature would go away.
...fun. They really took us for granted, eh.
Also it never worked in my third party app and became some stupid placeholder scrapyard, as you couldn't see the image.
Actually that feature isn't even that much abused So here is an useless gif
Separate numbers for upvotes and downvotes.
Also that up and down votes are not tallied on user profiles. One of the issues with reddit is that if your point of view is unpopular, you cant discuss it on subs that require X amount of karma. Eventually you will be downvoted into being unable to reply. Here, conversation is more open and accounts dont carry a scarlet letter.
Pretty sure the downvote count has a limited effect on total karma. It was to counter downvote brigade from silencing people as you said.
This also seems to have the effect of people getting less salty at being down voted, on reddit I noticed the trend of people verbally expressing salt at even a single down vote editing their whole comment to go "and to the brainlet sheeple soyjack who down voted me I'd like you to know yada yada"
Here I notice less people throwing a verbal tantrum over the idea not everyone likes their opinion. Whenever I get the occasional down vote barrage at a spicy opinion I think "ah well can't win em all, guess maybe my opinion might be a little shit" not amend my post with "HOW FUCKING DARE YOU YOU FUCKING SUBHUMAN TROGLODYTES"
The downvotes are actually nice to see if you can still see upvotes.
On Reddit if a post goes to -50 I just delete it to silence the mob.
On Lemmy if I see +100/-150 I know it drove debate instead of just pissing people off.
I would consider that a downside tbh
Unfortunately, your score is too low to have that opinion.
I feel like it makes the conversation feel less hive-mindy as people arnt hunting for upvotes, they just say stuff (for better or worse).
I had a ton of karma by just saying stuff. I never even tried having popular opinions or baiting for upvotes.
I feel the opposite. Still all but one opinion gets drowned out. It's just that now the opinion that survives is the one that screams the loudest rather than the mainstream one
I still remember how annoyed I was when reddit disabled that. It was a useful data point, especially in hobby communities or other places where it can be difficult for newbies to judge the quality of advice/answers they're receiving so I was thrilled to see it here on Lemmy. Going by upvotes alone is not always showing you an accurate picture of a community's reaction to a comment.
It's why I'm still furious about YouTube removing the dislike count. That single decision has probably led to lots more people getting scammed--and YouTube not getting my premium dollars I would've otherwise gave.
And the ability to turn off scores entirely! I run it that way most of the time. A post can have thousands of up/down votes but I can't tell and it keeps it from infuencing how I'll vote.
It was a feature I wanted to experiment with on reddit but couldn't
No advertising whatsoever; this was a thing on the mobile apps without paying. Nice it looks streamlined and less cluttered too.
I have app options to choose from!
This is the biggest one for me.
At some point I stopped using Reddit on the web/desktop and just started to use it on my phone/tablet. I tried different apps, but settled with RIF. Every few years I'd try different apps, but always found my way back to RIF.
Reddit did a bunch of stupid things over the years, but I could happily ignore them and continue to use RIF.
When RIF went away I had to find a new app. The official app wasn't going to work for me. Old Reddit on the phone wasn't going to work for me.
Luckily there are plenty of Lemmy apps. I've settled on Voyager (wefwef) but Boost seems fine too.
Sure, the content has changed a bit, but it's close enough.
For me a good app is key. Lemmy has good apps. I use Lemmy.
So many apps redesign themselves and assume I'll get used to it. In actuality they cause me to wonder, "Do I still need you?" and start looking for alternatives.
That isn't to say that apps can't ever redesign themselves, but so many redesigns seem to follow the latest trend and don't demonstrate a clear understanding of their users.
Coming from an Apollo user, Voyager feels like home to me.
Pretty much exactly my story. Went from RIF to Boost.
Of even if they do redesign, couldn't they keep the old as an option? Why do they always throw out the baby with the bathwater?
good People
Public viewable Mod Log
Defederation of Bad Instances.
Fewer users.
Once a site hits a critical mass of users the amount of content goes up and quality goes down. Once you reach that point it begins accelerating and turns the whole community to trash.
To be fair, this can be offset by sticking to smaller communities. All the large communities on reddit were low quality, but reddit's large userbase allowed a lot of niche communities to exist with an acceptable amount of users. Lemmy (with its smaller overall user numbers) has much better "large" communities, but many of the niche communities barely have enough active users to get by.
I really like being able to edit the post title and the 6 hour top sort. Although I would like 3 or 4 hours even better.
you can ask for this feature directly to the dev, that what i prefer it to reddit
Federation, no ads, so many third party apps, lil' bit nicer people.
Language, you can filter content by language you speak
Edit title, If with my broken english and autocorrect, I write down does anybody now about a boardgame for trees ? I can do a ninja edit without deleting the post
Interaction with Mastodon (and the rest of the fedi), seriously, imagine being able to answer to a tweet from reddit, with Lemmy you can answer to a toot
How do trees play board games?
Rather woodenly, but they're always trying to branch out.
The ability to block entire instances!
Right devs? Right?
Yes oh yes please
Not being a for-profit thing goes a long way toward improving user experience
The community is more mature, less stupid pun chains (pretty sure those are mostly bots at this point), and less presence of interest groups (nefarious or not).
Well shit, I loved the pun chains!
It's probably cause you look punny
Summer is never endless, I wonder when those things will arrive in the Fediverse and ruin everything
Little instances of rage bait, karma bait, horny bait and WhOleSomE (fake story) bait
...for now
No u/Spez.
A ghastly visage.
Reported for NSFW. I didn't want to see a horrible cunt in my feed.
/s (not the second half though)
amiright?!
3rd party apps
A functional selection of apps.
I can selfhost it
It's pretty obvious people aren't talking about apis that must be paid for that are ridiculously restrictively expensive
Federation
Decentralized control
Viewable moderation logs
Absence of CCP army, Hasbara trolls, Russian trolls, corporate shills, etc
Editable titles
Hashtags
Third party apps (on Lemmys)
Publicly shareable/subscribeable multi-communities (on Kbin)
Automatically remove inactive mods (Kbin)
Well for a start, Lemmy doesn’t, y’know, suck.
Pride
🌈
On Memmy at least, the ability to mark posts as read so my feed always has fresh content.
Same as jerboa!
ActivityPub
Communism
Real communism has never happened, except in Monsters Inc where the workers seized the means of production to create a better company from the worker to the workers.
Multiple communities for the same topic, but on different Lemmy instances. This is both good and bad (which c/ do I subscribe to?) but I argue its a pro more than a con.
THIS
unironically