They complain about political correctness, and they go and do shit like this.
Political correctness: I can't say what I want!
Conservatives Later: it's now illegal for you to say what you want
As is fascist tradition.
So much for dismantling the nanny state. EAIAC
There is no "good conservative" alive today.
When the flip flopper in chief, Mitt Romney, is your only hope, or anyone named Cheney, we've got massive problems.
Not that I disagree with you.
But even as a staunch Euro leftist, I think it is okay that there are people I strongly disagree with, even strongly dislike because I think the fight for values that are against my personal morality.
Both Romney and Cheney are such people.
I don't think they should have political power over other people.
But they share at least a certain common ground with me that the fascists don't.
And for how little I actually like those people, I still value this very difference.
This is a blatant first amendment violation. Another pro-gamer move from the free speech party.
Devils advocate here, in some places, deliberately using the wrong pronouns with the intention to harm someone would be hate speech.
So flip it around, using the preferred pronouns is considered an attack on the child and/or their shitty parents.
Hate speech is protected by the First Amendment, so flip it around, inclusive speech is also protected by the First Amendment. I'm sure teachers can lose their jobs for hate speech but people cannot be criminally charged for hate speech alone. Prosecuting teachers as sex offenders for using pronouns is a clear and deliberate violation of their Constitutional rights.
Are you telling me I couldn’t be prosecuted for hate speech? That cant be true.
Legally, you cannot be criminally charged. They will not protect you from the consequences of your speech coming from private parties, whatever those are. You can increase the number or severity of charges for crimes if they are even partially motivated by prejudice towards specific groups, hate speech may be evidence of that motivation.
Hate crimes and hate speech are two different, but related, things, so I understand your confusion. You cannot be prosecuted for hate speech, because that is a government infringement on your liberties. They can prosecute you if the hate speech intentionally incites violence, because that is not protected speech. The hate speech can also inform intent to turn another crime into a hate crime.
Also, hate speech is still separate from threatening violence or other harm. I can freely hate you, but I can't advocate to hurt you.
I think I have that right.
Calling someone the N word (hate speech) won't get you arrested.
Calling someone the N word while you attack them (hate crime) will.
Under this context, yes you would be prosecuted for "hate speech" because the criminal activity here is the speech itself. Under any other circumstances you would be allowed to say whatever you like. There are always consequences to your actions, they're just not always criminal consequences.
Calling someone the nword is almost always going to make them feel unsafe, which makes it an assault, am I right?
I really can't comprehend the level of hate that these motherfuckers must possess to write or support such a bill. I mean, let's say you're an incredible asshole who doesn't think that trans people exist, like you think that you know who they are much better than they actually know themselves. Even with that as a baseline, isn't it still just the polite thing to treat them with basic respect?
If I found out that someone I just met preferred to use their middle name instead of their first name, I would 100% use that person's middle name when addressing them. It's just common courtesy. The same thing goes with a person who's transitioning - I will use their preferred name, because I'm not a completely deplorable piece of shit.
But this guy is way worse than someone who intentionally antagonizes people by using their disliked name when addressing them. This guy wants to actively punish anybody who has the rock bottom bare minimum of civility by destroying their lives and livelihoods.
I just can't grasp that level of hatred. How is it that this piece of shit shares enough genes with everybody else that he's recognized as human?
I think your 3rd paragraph is off, just a heads up
How so?
You know what, it took me having to quote your words to read them correctly, my bad and well said.
In the immortal words of Romeo: "It's all gravy", baby.
Was that directed at Juliet or Mercutio? I can never remember..
It was just before he drank the poison.
That must have been some really awful gravy, 😞
Well the play WAS written by an English man so..
Ah yes, further diluting the term sex offender down to the point the label is meaningless.
Makes perfect sense to combine teachers who accept pronouns, with people caught publicly urinating on the same list with violent rapists and convicted pedophiles.. after all, it's all the same.
The right is full of pedophiles and rapists so this works for them.
Yeah but they are afraid of everything, so they have to make sure they are rapinga child of the sex that won't get them labeled as gay. Ye ole Republican mantra, rape is okay so long as it's not gay.
You wish they were this coherent. Just like the homophobic rightwinger scum in Hungary, which was caught in a huge gay orgy, they will gladly posture one thing in public then do another in private.
My honest reaction to news coming from USA these days:
Ditto. But I'm in the USA myself.
It's difficult to differentiate between real news and The Onion now days. It's like... Comical but also terrifying.
someone should really take away The Onion's script writing rights for our world
As a practical result this is more of an attack on education than an attack on LGBT, who would want to be a teacher under such tyrannical rules?
They're getting two birds with one stone.
How is anyone supposed to know anyone else’s pronouns without asking them?
Are the teachers supposed to check the genitals of their students at the beginning of the year?
I feel like that’s what the right wants. They’re weirdly interested in that
Naked lessons.. naked schools.. that way the sneaky trans kids also cannot change during the year.
But if everyone is naked, the poor boys will be distracted. I mean, they already veer off course when shoulders are out. I guess the only appropriate solution is to not have the girls at (naked) school. /s
Oh excellent point. All naked boys only and girls only schools. That will definitely resolve the issue and has no chance to backfire.
I’m an ankle guy myself
Zenra made some interesting videos on this topic. For college and adult students obviously.
If you never speak about that individual, you won't need to know their pronouns. If they quit the backbiting and remembered the golden rule, they wouldn't need to "use pronouns" but then they wouldn't even be Republicans anymore.
These politicians love to create "problems to solve" instead of finding solutions to real problems we have.
Lesson learned always use the wrong pronouns randomly so you don’t have to worry about it, who cares. Let’s everyone get together try to love one another right now!
Or just avoid using pronouns altogether lol, I believe they works for any pronoun
They their they’re
Our your we us them
I don't think you understood what I meant. Let's say Roger now identifies as a woman (but still kept the name Roger). If I never talked about to you about Roger, I wouldn't have to use any pronouns at all because he and she are mostly used in the third person.
Roger
OK, maybe you do get it after all.
study to be a teacher in Missouri
teach full time for $30,000/year or something
become a sex offender, obviously can't teach anymore
can't actually find a job at all
forced to live in a designated trailer park for pedophiles
become a lifelong welfare recipient
nice one, conservatives
Don't like your teacher? Just flip your pronouns real quick and get them on the sex offender list. Problem solved.
Fuck this bullshit
What do you mean? Would a kid lie about their sex? Why mental health issues? Abuse? Clout? Trolling? What about if they are just confused? They would not become sex offenders or found guilty of anything for a honest mistake
This is how it starts, people.
Fascism?
Dumbass bills are introduced all the time. The news likes to bring them up but never talks about most of them being shot down though.
I vote we make all politicians sex offenders to see how they like it.
Most of them already are... but I get your point.
I hate that these are usually rage bait titles, but this is legitimately terrifying
Okay. Everyone is a they/them. No binary gender for anyone. Hedge your bets and play it right down the middle.
Problem solved
points at own pronouns Sorry, you're a sex offender now for accepting my pronouns :3
Also apparently you're now a teacher in Missouri. Given that place's apparent eagerness to dilute the term "sex offender" to nothing, I suppose you may find this part more upsetting.
Missouri deliberately impoverishing themselves is par for the conservative course.
Two years ago I would have said no worries, there's no way a bill like this can pass. Now? Let's just say I don't take anything for granted.
Just give politicians prison time for wasteful laws like this. It's objectively a waste of taxpayer's dollars used to fuel hate crimes. Fuck them, they should get 100x the risk and accountability then the poor paycheck to paycheck teachers they keep overly focusing on.
For anyone curious and who wants the sauce, here is the link to the actual proposed changes. It is pretty transparent and accessible.
They complain about political correctness, and they go and do shit like this.
Political correctness: I can't say what I want!
Conservatives Later: it's now illegal for you to say what you want
As is fascist tradition.
So much for dismantling the nanny state. EAIAC
There is no "good conservative" alive today.
When the flip flopper in chief, Mitt Romney, is your only hope, or anyone named Cheney, we've got massive problems.
Not that I disagree with you.
But even as a staunch Euro leftist, I think it is okay that there are people I strongly disagree with, even strongly dislike because I think the fight for values that are against my personal morality.
Both Romney and Cheney are such people.
I don't think they should have political power over other people.
But they share at least a certain common ground with me that the fascists don't.
And for how little I actually like those people, I still value this very difference.
Maybe some of them need to be less alive
This is a blatant first amendment violation. Another pro-gamer move from the free speech party.
Devils advocate here, in some places, deliberately using the wrong pronouns with the intention to harm someone would be hate speech.
So flip it around, using the preferred pronouns is considered an attack on the child and/or their shitty parents.
Hate speech is protected by the First Amendment, so flip it around, inclusive speech is also protected by the First Amendment. I'm sure teachers can lose their jobs for hate speech but people cannot be criminally charged for hate speech alone. Prosecuting teachers as sex offenders for using pronouns is a clear and deliberate violation of their Constitutional rights.
Are you telling me I couldn’t be prosecuted for hate speech? That cant be true.
Legally, you cannot be criminally charged. They will not protect you from the consequences of your speech coming from private parties, whatever those are. You can increase the number or severity of charges for crimes if they are even partially motivated by prejudice towards specific groups, hate speech may be evidence of that motivation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_in_the_United_States
Hate crimes and hate speech are two different, but related, things, so I understand your confusion. You cannot be prosecuted for hate speech, because that is a government infringement on your liberties. They can prosecute you if the hate speech intentionally incites violence, because that is not protected speech. The hate speech can also inform intent to turn another crime into a hate crime.
Also, hate speech is still separate from threatening violence or other harm. I can freely hate you, but I can't advocate to hurt you.
I think I have that right.
Calling someone the N word (hate speech) won't get you arrested.
Calling someone the N word while you attack them (hate crime) will.
Under this context, yes you would be prosecuted for "hate speech" because the criminal activity here is the speech itself. Under any other circumstances you would be allowed to say whatever you like. There are always consequences to your actions, they're just not always criminal consequences.
Calling someone the nword is almost always going to make them feel unsafe, which makes it an assault, am I right?
If the child doesn't want to be called that it's not their preferred pronoun.
Call the child what they prefer, and the parents object and claim you are harming them.
I really can't comprehend the level of hate that these motherfuckers must possess to write or support such a bill. I mean, let's say you're an incredible asshole who doesn't think that trans people exist, like you think that you know who they are much better than they actually know themselves. Even with that as a baseline, isn't it still just the polite thing to treat them with basic respect?
If I found out that someone I just met preferred to use their middle name instead of their first name, I would 100% use that person's middle name when addressing them. It's just common courtesy. The same thing goes with a person who's transitioning - I will use their preferred name, because I'm not a completely deplorable piece of shit.
But this guy is way worse than someone who intentionally antagonizes people by using their disliked name when addressing them. This guy wants to actively punish anybody who has the rock bottom bare minimum of civility by destroying their lives and livelihoods.
I just can't grasp that level of hatred. How is it that this piece of shit shares enough genes with everybody else that he's recognized as human?
I think your 3rd paragraph is off, just a heads up
How so?
You know what, it took me having to quote your words to read them correctly, my bad and well said.
In the immortal words of Romeo: "It's all gravy", baby.
Was that directed at Juliet or Mercutio? I can never remember..
It was just before he drank the poison.
That must have been some really awful gravy, 😞
Well the play WAS written by an English man so..
Ah yes, further diluting the term sex offender down to the point the label is meaningless.
Makes perfect sense to combine teachers who accept pronouns, with people caught publicly urinating on the same list with violent rapists and convicted pedophiles.. after all, it's all the same.
The right is full of pedophiles and rapists so this works for them.
Yeah but they are afraid of everything, so they have to make sure they are rapinga child of the sex that won't get them labeled as gay. Ye ole Republican mantra, rape is okay so long as it's not gay.
You wish they were this coherent. Just like the homophobic rightwinger scum in Hungary, which was caught in a huge gay orgy, they will gladly posture one thing in public then do another in private.
My honest reaction to news coming from USA these days:
Ditto. But I'm in the USA myself.
It's difficult to differentiate between real news and The Onion now days. It's like... Comical but also terrifying.
someone should really take away The Onion's script writing rights for our world
The Shrieking White-Hot Sphere of Rage ended up being flabby and orange, but otherwise they were spot-on.
Jesus Christ fuck these GOP assholes so hard
They probably want that, so no.
HAIRCUTS! HAIRCUTS OF THE WRONG GENDER ARE PART OF THIS BILL!!
Dafuq kinda haircut is gendered?
Any haircut underneath which stands someone Republicans want to oppress.
Just ask Darryl George.
What if a boy or a trans girl wants to grow out their hair? At what point does the length become legally feminine?
https://youtu.be/gjHOtxCRhnw?si=_aIYukLC1au_V0c9
kim jong-un approves this law
As a practical result this is more of an attack on education than an attack on LGBT, who would want to be a teacher under such tyrannical rules?
They're getting two birds with one stone.
How is anyone supposed to know anyone else’s pronouns without asking them?
Are the teachers supposed to check the genitals of their students at the beginning of the year?
I feel like that’s what the right wants. They’re weirdly interested in that
Naked lessons.. naked schools.. that way the sneaky trans kids also cannot change during the year.
But if everyone is naked, the poor boys will be distracted. I mean, they already veer off course when shoulders are out. I guess the only appropriate solution is to not have the girls at (naked) school. /s
Oh excellent point. All naked boys only and girls only schools. That will definitely resolve the issue and has no chance to backfire.
I’m an ankle guy myself
Zenra made some interesting videos on this topic. For college and adult students obviously.
If you never speak about that individual, you won't need to know their pronouns. If they quit the backbiting and remembered the golden rule, they wouldn't need to "use pronouns" but then they wouldn't even be Republicans anymore.
These politicians love to create "problems to solve" instead of finding solutions to real problems we have.
Lesson learned always use the wrong pronouns randomly so you don’t have to worry about it, who cares. Let’s everyone get together try to love one another right now!
Or just avoid using pronouns altogether lol, I believe they works for any pronoun
They their they’re
Our your we us them
I don't think you understood what I meant. Let's say Roger now identifies as a woman (but still kept the name Roger). If I never talked about to you about Roger, I wouldn't have to use any pronouns at all because he and she are mostly used in the third person.
Roger
OK, maybe you do get it after all.
study to be a teacher in Missouri
teach full time for $30,000/year or something
become a sex offender, obviously can't teach anymore
can't actually find a job at all
forced to live in a designated trailer park for pedophiles
become a lifelong welfare recipient
nice one, conservatives
Don't like your teacher? Just flip your pronouns real quick and get them on the sex offender list. Problem solved.
Fuck this bullshit
What do you mean? Would a kid lie about their sex? Why mental health issues? Abuse? Clout? Trolling? What about if they are just confused? They would not become sex offenders or found guilty of anything for a honest mistake
This is how it starts, people.
Fascism?
Dumbass bills are introduced all the time. The news likes to bring them up but never talks about most of them being shot down though.
I vote we make all politicians sex offenders to see how they like it.
Most of them already are... but I get your point.
I hate that these are usually rage bait titles, but this is legitimately terrifying
Okay. Everyone is a they/them. No binary gender for anyone. Hedge your bets and play it right down the middle.
Problem solved
points at own pronouns Sorry, you're a sex offender now for accepting my pronouns :3
Also apparently you're now a teacher in Missouri. Given that place's apparent eagerness to dilute the term "sex offender" to nothing, I suppose you may find this part more upsetting.
just stop using pronouns altogether easy fix
Romance movies from now on:
Ahh, the Ricky Henderson method. I like it
Fuck Missouri Bill.
Fuck Missouri Republicans.
Fuck republicans.
Fuck
Bees.
Missouri deliberately impoverishing themselves is par for the conservative course.
Two years ago I would have said no worries, there's no way a bill like this can pass. Now? Let's just say I don't take anything for granted.
Just give politicians prison time for wasteful laws like this. It's objectively a waste of taxpayer's dollars used to fuel hate crimes. Fuck them, they should get 100x the risk and accountability then the poor paycheck to paycheck teachers they keep overly focusing on.
For anyone curious and who wants the sauce, here is the link to the actual proposed changes. It is pretty transparent and accessible.
https://documents.house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills241/hlrbillspdf/5874H.01I.pdf