2008 was the beginning of the recession, and in many ways things never really recovered. Cost of college never went down. Housing remains unattainable for most young people. And the job market is becoming more exploitative than ever.
Financial uncertainty creates anxiety. People with too much anxiety don't have the time or energy for relationships and family. As it happens, countries where this is felt even more, like Korea and Japan, have it far worse.
And it's a hard sell to get a girl at a bar/club to come back to your mom's house.
by that logic, nobody would have sex while in high school. And japan would have basically no virgins, since they have the love hotels.
btw, america needs those. very covenient, and with the housing prices and everyone living with their parents, very much in demand
Expectations are a lot different for high schoolers than adults in their 20s. I absolutely got rejected quite a bit in my 20s for living with my parents. Not by everyone but it was common. My 20s mostly came after the 2008 collapse, coincidentally or not.
This is in the US by the way and I’m sure it’s a cultural thing. In many countries, living with your parents until you’re financially stable or married is normal.
Weird Al Yankovic's first movie released in 1989. That clearly explains it.
We call it the great sex recession in some circles
It was so traumatic that it left many of us with a very sexy learning disorder.
What do I call it again, Kiff?
Sigh ... sexlexia
zero female sex partners
Well that's a meaningless study then
Meaningful if you're looking for predictors on birth rates, I suppose. Usually I see studies like this used to explain why populations start to decline.
Not every study has to be about everything, there's plenty of interesting things this tells us.
Lots of follow up studies too, are gen z women the same or do they all go for older guys or the
same guy? Is this trend tied with sexual identity, how do men feel about it, do porn habits correlate, how does it split demographically and economically....
Doing a study on all these factors would be huge and expensive, getting a good data point to inform future study design is a vital step.
But yeah look up the paper I bet they asked more than one question and have a methodology based on sound principles trying to increase understanding of a complex subject.
It's interesting, but that stat doesn't really tell us everything. It only looks at guys who haven’t been with any women since they turned eighteen. A lot has changed since 2008, especially with more same-sex couples being open and accepted. That detail alone could throw off those numbers. Plus, with all the tech and social changes, who's to say people's sex lives haven't shifted in other ways too?
That’s when social media started earnestly taking a foothold. I am guessing maybe this has to do with depressed females (there are studies which indicate social media use affects females more and also depresses them). Depressed females likely have different preferences and standards than those who are not, perhaps. If you don’t like yourself, you’re unlikely to pursue and welcome relationships.
Alternatively, that was the time of the Great Recession. Perhaps some young adults in general are too economically stressed to do normal activities?
ugh i hate the word "females". why not just say "women"
Because the study is clearly talking about goats. You only use the word "women" when you're talking about humans.
In the context of this discussion, the chart title is "young male virginity on the rise", so it doesn't seem too far off the mark.
Yeah male virginity. Male is an adjective in this case.
Male or especially Female as a noun, has a very weird ring to it. Sounds kinda disrespectful, as said above, like your talk about cattle…
Eh, monkey see word male, monkey think female appropriate word to use when discussing things.
Monkey brain is not the smart brain, but I understand where it's coming from.
like your talk about cattle
Real dark days when a 30 year old bull hasn't hooked up with a cow in over 12 years.
This is also around the time smartphones came out. Wait, were the boomers right?
Pornhub was launched on 25 May 2007. Just saying...
Just one more year until Pornhub is 18!
Well broken clock, etc. etc.
Also, social media is a major contributor to the isolation epidemic going on, as is the economic situation and the work culture of countries like the US.
So what I'm saying is, you're probably right on all accounts.
I saw a great video once that went into how the economic situation is largely responsible for the cultural shift from "adult" as a thing you are to "adulting" - a thing you do. That from Millenials onwards, generations don't feel economically secure enough to partake in traditional cultural norms of middle-class adulthood. Things like buying a house and popping out 2.5 kids.
I'm trying to understand your post. Do you mean that the number of young men who are virgins has risen because women are depressed, thus implying that all of these young men are involuntarily celebite?
Not all, it’s hard to say
Note that I am not “blaming” women for the lack of sex these men are getting. I am saying that if you’re comparing yourself to the best female in your group and her outcomes, then you’re constantly going to feel like you’re not doing good enough for yourself. You’re going to get depressed, but that doesn’t necessarily mean you’re not coupling. But you’re restricting yourself and constraining your choices.
More women say dating is emotionally and physically risky now. What’s changed necessarily? I don’t know, I think it’s the hyper awareness induced by social media and also the increased economic pressures.
My hypothesis is that mankind unconciously sorted out that earth its not gonna hold much longer with the size of our population and decided to apply the sex breaks.
Whatever the cause is, it's good to know that our best scientists are doing their best to make a better world both developing AIs and robots. Sex robots are on the next corner. And luckly, microplastics are making us dumber, so we will have a higher and faster acceptance of them too.
females
amirite?
In 2008 Sasha Grey won Performer of the Year award.
I am not going to figure out/imagine how many years ago was that, nope, no way, I know better.
Ah, you were educated in the Southeastern US too, huh? I don't math good neither.
hugs
... no, I was born lucky enough to get my math skills out if US altogether. Im just old and 2008 feels like ... several months ago.
Housing crash fucked everyone for generations.
Mass adoption of cellphones, social media, streaming services and the destruction of third spaces. Endless entertainment, decreased socialization.
People have been fucking while living with their parents for most of humanity. That's not the problem, at least in terms of first experiences.
When most people have to worry about their rent & food everyday of their life while working for ludicrous amounts of time every week, having a family or relationships in general just look like more expenses for the individual. It's not an issue only men face either.
It's impossible to find someone with Yukiko's perfect sense of humor.
men under 30 who report zero female sex partners since turning 18
Okay, but what about male partners?
Also, can we clarify whether we're defining "sex" as "sexual contact" versus "penial vaginal intercourse"? Because I think ex-President Clinton is still a virgin under the second definition.
I'm pretty sure ex-President Clinton has a daughter who looks very similar to him.
Jesus Christ that's Jason Bourne !
I mean, I guess millennials were right in the middle period between having a healthy sex life prior to 18 and then various life clusterfucks hit the generation. I can only assume ppl gave up, secluded, moisturised, in their lane, flourishing in their shituation as best they can.
How would that make them virgins? They could e8tger be gay, 9r have had sex before being 18.
If you don't fuck for 12 years, your virginity grows back.
What was op cookin
I bet young people today are more honest.
Also more gay.
Ok, now overlay young men under 30 who are into Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate...
can you overlay a line on itself?
See that peak a little while after 1989?
I lost my virginity in 1993.
😎
To who?
The girl I was having sex with.
Yeah and her name was? Matilda?
Why on Earth do you think I'd tell you what her name was?
So it was Matilda.
you wouldn't know her, she's from Canada.
What if you're 38? Asking for a friend.
If your friend can hold it for 2 more years then they can get a movie made about them.
So Jason Bourne turned everyone gay?
Or did he turn women into lesbians?
Looks like I'm finally better than the majority at something!
sniffle
Even in the late 1900s that number is still way higher than I thought it would be.
"late 1900s" is something I'm not sure I'll ever get used to hearing.
I never know if 1900s means 1900-1909 or 1900-1999.
Fuck Putin. Wait, not THAT.
I think that's the one I tried to watch 3 separate times and fell asleep at the same exact spot each time. I've only ever actually seen the first and last quarter of the film.
What if I suck at drawing?
I'd not surprised if women had a much lower percentage
edit:
TRIGGER WARNING: this image contains scientifically correct data, which might cause some of you discomfort
The most virgin thing you could possibly say to seeing this
I'm not wrong tho
You literally are.
The study’s findings regarding sexual frequency declines among adolescents are particularly notable, according to Herbenick. The proportion of adolescents reporting neither solo masturbation nor partnered sexual behavior increased from 28% of young men and 49% of young women in 2009 to 43% of young men and 74% of young women in 2018.
The proportion of adolescents reporting neither solo masturbation nor partnered sexual behavior
Wow. I didn't lose my virginity til I was 18 but for about 5 years before that I whacked it all the damn time. Was I just super horny as a youngun or are teen libidos going down?
aside from the social reasons, there is a general decline in testosterone over time in the population, probably due to estrogen-like compounds from plastic.
So yeah, people are less horny. Doesn't mean they are not horny, just less.
Don't forget other factors, like stress, poor diet, reduced physical activity, and obesity. At least in the United States, all of these things are worse than ever.
I suppose it's a good thing, we need a slow, gentle population decline pretty badly IMO.
the study in OPs post is about the percentage of men with no sex between 18 and 30. your study is about sex AND masturbation for ADOLESCENTS. you realize those are two different things, right?
anyways, here's the graph completing OPs image (and proving me right)
2008 was the beginning of the recession, and in many ways things never really recovered. Cost of college never went down. Housing remains unattainable for most young people. And the job market is becoming more exploitative than ever.
Financial uncertainty creates anxiety. People with too much anxiety don't have the time or energy for relationships and family. As it happens, countries where this is felt even more, like Korea and Japan, have it far worse.
And it's a hard sell to get a girl at a bar/club to come back to your mom's house.
by that logic, nobody would have sex while in high school. And japan would have basically no virgins, since they have the love hotels.
btw, america needs those. very covenient, and with the housing prices and everyone living with their parents, very much in demand
Expectations are a lot different for high schoolers than adults in their 20s. I absolutely got rejected quite a bit in my 20s for living with my parents. Not by everyone but it was common. My 20s mostly came after the 2008 collapse, coincidentally or not.
This is in the US by the way and I’m sure it’s a cultural thing. In many countries, living with your parents until you’re financially stable or married is normal.
You just have to sing the song.
https://youtu.be/3YXUWWZJXpE?si=rnZ8yyzqYLnEHUgp
perfect
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I like the Bourne Ultimatum theory better. We peaked there and will never achieve that high again!
Okay but what happened in 1989 when it was 1% lower?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UHF_(film)
Weird Al Yankovic's first movie released in 1989. That clearly explains it.
We call it the great sex recession in some circles
It was so traumatic that it left many of us with a very sexy learning disorder.
What do I call it again, Kiff?
Sigh ... sexlexia
Well that's a meaningless study then
Meaningful if you're looking for predictors on birth rates, I suppose. Usually I see studies like this used to explain why populations start to decline.
Not every study has to be about everything, there's plenty of interesting things this tells us.
Lots of follow up studies too, are gen z women the same or do they all go for older guys or the same guy? Is this trend tied with sexual identity, how do men feel about it, do porn habits correlate, how does it split demographically and economically....
Doing a study on all these factors would be huge and expensive, getting a good data point to inform future study design is a vital step.
But yeah look up the paper I bet they asked more than one question and have a methodology based on sound principles trying to increase understanding of a complex subject.
It's interesting, but that stat doesn't really tell us everything. It only looks at guys who haven’t been with any women since they turned eighteen. A lot has changed since 2008, especially with more same-sex couples being open and accepted. That detail alone could throw off those numbers. Plus, with all the tech and social changes, who's to say people's sex lives haven't shifted in other ways too?
That’s when social media started earnestly taking a foothold. I am guessing maybe this has to do with depressed females (there are studies which indicate social media use affects females more and also depresses them). Depressed females likely have different preferences and standards than those who are not, perhaps. If you don’t like yourself, you’re unlikely to pursue and welcome relationships.
Alternatively, that was the time of the Great Recession. Perhaps some young adults in general are too economically stressed to do normal activities?
ugh i hate the word "females". why not just say "women"
Because the study is clearly talking about goats. You only use the word "women" when you're talking about humans.
In the context of this discussion, the chart title is "young male virginity on the rise", so it doesn't seem too far off the mark.
Yeah male virginity. Male is an adjective in this case.
Male or especially Female as a noun, has a very weird ring to it. Sounds kinda disrespectful, as said above, like your talk about cattle…
Eh, monkey see word male, monkey think female appropriate word to use when discussing things.
Monkey brain is not the smart brain, but I understand where it's coming from.
Real dark days when a 30 year old bull hasn't hooked up with a cow in over 12 years.
https://youtu.be/43cBDsncp9Q
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This is also around the time smartphones came out. Wait, were the boomers right?
Pornhub was launched on 25 May 2007. Just saying...
Just one more year until Pornhub is 18!
Well broken clock, etc. etc.
Also, social media is a major contributor to the isolation epidemic going on, as is the economic situation and the work culture of countries like the US.
So what I'm saying is, you're probably right on all accounts.
I saw a great video once that went into how the economic situation is largely responsible for the cultural shift from "adult" as a thing you are to "adulting" - a thing you do. That from Millenials onwards, generations don't feel economically secure enough to partake in traditional cultural norms of middle-class adulthood. Things like buying a house and popping out 2.5 kids.
I'm trying to understand your post. Do you mean that the number of young men who are virgins has risen because women are depressed, thus implying that all of these young men are involuntarily celebite?
Not all, it’s hard to say
Note that I am not “blaming” women for the lack of sex these men are getting. I am saying that if you’re comparing yourself to the best female in your group and her outcomes, then you’re constantly going to feel like you’re not doing good enough for yourself. You’re going to get depressed, but that doesn’t necessarily mean you’re not coupling. But you’re restricting yourself and constraining your choices.
It’s an untested hypothesis, but here’s some prelim evidence: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/08/20/key-takeaways-on-americans-views-of-and-experiences-with-dating-and-relationships/
More women say dating is emotionally and physically risky now. What’s changed necessarily? I don’t know, I think it’s the hyper awareness induced by social media and also the increased economic pressures.
My hypothesis is that mankind unconciously sorted out that earth its not gonna hold much longer with the size of our population and decided to apply the sex breaks.
Whatever the cause is, it's good to know that our best scientists are doing their best to make a better world both developing AIs and robots. Sex robots are on the next corner. And luckly, microplastics are making us dumber, so we will have a higher and faster acceptance of them too.
amirite?
In 2008 Sasha Grey won Performer of the Year award.
I am not going to figure out/imagine how many years ago was that, nope, no way, I know better.
Ah, you were educated in the Southeastern US too, huh? I don't math good neither.
hugs
... no, I was born lucky enough to get my math skills out if US altogether. Im just old and 2008 feels like ... several months ago.
Housing crash fucked everyone for generations.
Mass adoption of cellphones, social media, streaming services and the destruction of third spaces. Endless entertainment, decreased socialization.
People have been fucking while living with their parents for most of humanity. That's not the problem, at least in terms of first experiences.
When most people have to worry about their rent & food everyday of their life while working for ludicrous amounts of time every week, having a family or relationships in general just look like more expenses for the individual. It's not an issue only men face either.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
It's not an issue only men face either
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
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is your mom the housing crash?
Ba Dum Tss
Emphasis on "female".
Also the year Persona 4 came out.
You may be onto something
Every day is great at your Junes!
It's impossible to find someone with Yukiko's perfect sense of humor.
Okay, but what about male partners?
Also, can we clarify whether we're defining "sex" as "sexual contact" versus "penial vaginal intercourse"? Because I think ex-President Clinton is still a virgin under the second definition.
I'm pretty sure ex-President Clinton has a daughter who looks very similar to him.
Jesus Christ that's Jason Bourne !
I mean, I guess millennials were right in the middle period between having a healthy sex life prior to 18 and then various life clusterfucks hit the generation. I can only assume ppl gave up, secluded, moisturised, in their lane, flourishing in their shituation as best they can.
How would that make them virgins? They could e8tger be gay, 9r have had sex before being 18.
If you don't fuck for 12 years, your virginity grows back.
What was op cookin
I bet young people today are more honest.
Also more gay.
Ok, now overlay young men under 30 who are into Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate...
can you overlay a line on itself?
See that peak a little while after 1989?
I lost my virginity in 1993.
😎
To who?
The girl I was having sex with.
Yeah and her name was? Matilda?
Why on Earth do you think I'd tell you what her name was?
So it was Matilda.
you wouldn't know her, she's from Canada.
What if you're 38? Asking for a friend.
If your friend can hold it for 2 more years then they can get a movie made about them.
So Jason Bourne turned everyone gay?
Or did he turn women into lesbians?
Looks like I'm finally better than the majority at something!
sniffle
Even in the late 1900s that number is still way higher than I thought it would be.
"late 1900s" is something I'm not sure I'll ever get used to hearing.
I never know if 1900s means 1900-1909 or 1900-1999.
Fuck Putin. Wait, not THAT.
I think that's the one I tried to watch 3 separate times and fell asleep at the same exact spot each time. I've only ever actually seen the first and last quarter of the film.
What if I suck at drawing?
I'd not surprised if women had a much lower percentage
edit:
TRIGGER WARNING: this image contains scientifically correct data, which might cause some of you discomfort
The most virgin thing you could possibly say to seeing this
I'm not wrong tho
You literally are.
Wow. I didn't lose my virginity til I was 18 but for about 5 years before that I whacked it all the damn time. Was I just super horny as a youngun or are teen libidos going down?
aside from the social reasons, there is a general decline in testosterone over time in the population, probably due to estrogen-like compounds from plastic. So yeah, people are less horny. Doesn't mean they are not horny, just less.
Don't forget other factors, like stress, poor diet, reduced physical activity, and obesity. At least in the United States, all of these things are worse than ever.
I suppose it's a good thing, we need a slow, gentle population decline pretty badly IMO.
the study in OPs post is about the percentage of men with no sex between 18 and 30. your study is about sex AND masturbation for ADOLESCENTS. you realize those are two different things, right?
anyways, here's the graph completing OPs image (and proving me right)
You could've just said "Correlation does not imply causation" and moved on but man...
what does this have to do with anything in this discussion?
The OP is a joke post, you don't have to try so hard to prove your point since the OP is not even trying to be consistent.
no but some idiots said I was wrong with saying that the percentage for women is lower and showed some random handpicked studies to "prove" it.
so I simply showed them OPs statistic but with the women's data added. they've been weirdly silent ever since
Logically speaking how? Having sex with aliens? Or just being lesbians?
It would mean that there's a subgroup of men that had more sexual partners than the average in the given timeframe.