GOOD. How are those profits looking now, you murderous fucks?
They'll just sack some more engineers to cut costs, and hire more sales & marketing.
Unlike a lot of sectors though, Airbus knows what they're doing and is a high profile alternative, and unlike the US, hasn't yet completely internalized our sociopathic greed disease to our degree, despite the global economic pressure we inflict on other nations encouraging them to betray and cause harm to their own societies and citizens if it means an extra nickel of short term private profit.
Don't worry though, the UK has fallen to the greed disease, and our capitalists are bribing and coercing their way eastward, and they won't stop until they either are physically stopped by something like climate change, or successfully make the world forget that Economies are lowly tools that are supposed to exist solely to benefit the people of the society they are a lowly tool for.
won’t stop until they […] are physically stopped by something like climate change
Ah I see you're an optimist.
I have just come to acceptance with who we are, and enjoy the accidental poetry of our reckless worship of greed/gluttony/growth/metastasis being our, accelerating going by the latest science still going on deaf ears, end.
I also enjoy all the very corporate culture like bargaining that's going on with cold, hard, unflinching physics. Oh we won't make our non-binding emissions goals and grid standards, so we'll just roll those back, the climate will understand!
We're tackling our own self-inflicted, reverse terraforming climate disaster with the stages of grief because we refuse to stop and change how we live to find homeostasis with this world, so this isn't going to end well, and just like with clean coal/corn ethanol/plant a tree offsets/planet scale carbon scrubbers and all the other private profit driven snake oil "solutions," we aren't going to science up a magic bullet to save us from the epically irresponsible actions of our epically irresponsible species.
we aren’t going to science up a magic bullet to save us from the epically irresponsible actions of our epically irresponsible species.
In-fuckin-deed. All the talk about "carbon capture" schemes makes my skin crawl.
Well it's either that or delusional parasitosis that makes my skin crawl, but anyhow.
Of all the Dystopias, I think we're closest to Elysium at the moment.
I see The Road primarily, but I could also give a nod to The Road Warrior..
Wake me up when we get to Thunderdome
Yeah, although without the cool space station and cyberpunk-ish tech. I doubt we'll get that far.
True, though I hope we'll see a few variations of Killdozer crop up before the end.
Also Boeing is buying back it's fuselage supplier that it originally spun of into it's own business (because it wasn't profitable for Boeing back then).
The problem now is that supplier also makes fuselages for Airbus. So Boeing is gonna be making them for Airbus...
Oof. Oligopolies/duopolies shouldn't exist, but here we are.
Ehhh there's... Embraer?
Bring back grumman!
Seriously. These cats put men on the moon with 1960s tech. They bought into the dream. Now it's all stock buybacks and evil.
The LLV, specifically.
They don't do widebodies.
Bombardier?
Economies are lowly tools that are supposed to exist solely to benefit the people of the society they are a lowly tool for.
What complete gutter trash talk. Economies serve the master of mankind.
If by mankind you mean about 30kish sociopath families on the backs of billions and to the detriment of the long term climate our only habitat, then sure.
And to be fair, those 30kish sociopath families would largely agree they're the only mankind that counts.
Sorry about my gutter trash mouth btw, I'll work on that.
Master of mankind
1998 Hell in a cell reference, yeah? That's the only thing that coherents up this comment
More sales people to handle all the sales they’re not getting?
An engineer makes engines and a sales persons makes sales, right?
Actually a sailor makes sales.
“Sack”
stuff them into a sack maybe
You can only do so much marketing though. People don't want to fly in these planes if it means a huge risk to their life. It's simpler to just say no thanks. Businesses don't want them if customers aren't going to pay to fly on them. So marketing can only do so much. In the end your product needs to work. If it doesn't, then again people don't want to fly in them... And so on.
they need to make a reality show out of what it looks like to be held accountable and go through the justice system, using some of these soulless pieces of shit as examples. showcase the turmoil of the disgraced family torn apart and offer no help. the public can laugh at their pain the same way they certainly laugh at the issues of the common people they neglect and oppress.
Essentially John Oliver’s episode on Boeing.
I'll have to check that out then
Not some of them, all of them. Such people are usually not too touched by some of them getting the boot.
Fine when the government steps in to bail them out.
What year is it? The 737 Max was a certified death trap since 2018.
This. I made sure to never set foot in a newer Boeing since those grounded models were ungrounded.
lol. lmao.
Get fucked Boeing.
They might start sending assassins to threaten their buyers soon
This is definitely more plausible than their improving build quality
At least they won't have to wonder where these severed horse head in the middle of the bed came from.
shit falling apart, again and again and again and...
"y u no buy our shit? :("
If this continues, bailout incoming
Let them fail!
Same company that has the Starliner with leaks staying at the ISS. Not a good look.
Marketing department is going to be working overtime.
The brand new 737 Boeing Goeing. Cheaper than all others on the market with a 15 year warranty. Gaurenteed to keep you Goeing. For fucks sake, we're Boeing.
This is a whole new remodeled version of our Max that had various issues that concerned our buyers. Now, we've added an onboard AI that will detect which items to advertise to customers based off past sales and gender/sex/age/height/and weight. Up your sales numbers guaranteed to increase from the info we scrape off the Internet or buy from Google directly. Built in auto serve tray so the hosts don't need to find the orders, they are auto placed on a exiting conveyor that feeds right onto the cart you roll up!
These beauties are all thrown in for free when you invest in your future that's Goeing places.
*Doors may become from nowhere, wheels may fall off, leaks may occur, but your profits will skyrocket. Landings not guaranteed.
Landings not guaranteed.
Lmao, that one got me.
We can dream
No need to worry, following what the CEO of Boeing called a "quality escape" regarding a door falling off, Boeing is now just facing a profit and customer escape.
It's not so much what the Boeing CEO called the issue so much as a technical term for when a non-conforming product gets sold at its planned inspection operation.
I also haven't bought one.
This shows that there must be actual problems with their aircraft though because airlines are not going to care about public attitude, due to the company's politics. But if they are genuinely unsafe vehicles or have the potential to be unsafe vehicles, then they'll stay away.
If public attitude ever got significant enough that they couldn't fill a certain model of plane they would definitely stop buying them, that said I'm not sure we're at that point.
Every person I know who has flown in the last six months has inquired about the manufacturer of their plane before boarding
I think the nail in the coffin will be the amount someone is willing to pay to not ride on one of those planes. And we're talking money and time.
Flight booking websites literally added these plane models so you could filter out specific planes to avoid those flights because of these stories.
I’m sure the millionaire dipshits who cut corners and killed people are super worried.
laughs in golden parachute
Won’t someone please buy our airborne death trap?
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Boeing hitmen would like to know your location
He’s booked through at least the rest of the year.
In that case, are you looking for an exciting new career opportunity?
Yeah, yeah, but the executives that took the various decisions that made Boeing what it is now are even more millionaire than when they started at Boeing and will not see the inside of a jail cell, ever.
So we can all rest easy knowing that those we are constantly told are the most important people who deserve to be paid so much because of being risk takers and wealth creators, will be just fine, as if a few "nobody" whistleblowers had to be taken out, well, that's a price the trully important risk taking wealth creators were willing to pay.
I was watching this Korean show, they made a whole huge deal about a corporation stealing 5 billion won from the public. I literally burst out laughing when I googled the conversion and it's 3.5 mil USD, big corporations here steal that amount in a quarter second just by breathing yet in Korea it's apparently an amount worthy of its own entire show. US is such a fucked oligarchy.
Assuming the show reflects corporate values and isn't just propaganda like US police shows are intended to make the Korean public (and anyone watching from outside of Korea) think that that's how that would be treated.
From what I understand, South Korea's economy is dominated by a small number of mega corps (like Samsung) that try to do pretty much everything.
What show is that?
The 737 Max is a garbage product they crashed and burned with their MCAS woes. They should give up the iconic product line and go all in on selling the safer 777 as its replacement. Yes, its built for a greater range, but the 777 hasn't been fucked with in terms of fail-deadly systems yet, and its the safest plane Boeing has in its fleet.
Boeing's customers are already out-ordering other models over the 737 Max, the decision is being made for them!
If they do nothing, Airbus will get enough orders to expand its factories and blow through its backlog.
Or in an even darker timeline Lockheed-Martin or Raytheon will open a commercial division, I guess at least the shit will work
Boeing got ruined in the name of capitalism.
The most surprising thing here to me is that someone was buying a 737 Max 3 months ago.
Yeah, I'd love to know what airline that was so I can make sure I never give them my business.
According to boeing's website the last 737 order was in February from "unidentified customer(s)." Hmmmmmmmm
Deserved.
Interestingly enough, even if it would make sense that boeing is now fully focusing on improving quality, it also makes sense to me that airbus must be ensuring and pushing a lot of quality upgrades as well, it would be perfect marketing for them if no mistakes whatsoever happened on airbus's planes
And if they didn't develop the culture of sweeping safety issues under the rug at all levels, they won't have much trouble keeping ahead because I'm sure that even at the height of Boeing's safety ignoring, I bet most of the communication still looked like they took safety seriously. Just those in the know realized that they could make themselves look better by faking it and their management wouldn't care. I've gotta assume that some number of them will think the current safety culture overhaul is really trying to send a message of "just be smarter about ignoring safety, don't let it get to the point where doors fall off mid-flight and we need to kill some whistleblowers".
thalidomide sales took a real header once too. people normally will choose to spend their money on things which will benefit them, and tend not to spend money on the things which will kill them and hurt their business.
It’s good to see the free market actually working
Well, keep buying back stock, that seems to help.
Millennials are killing the 737 Max industry!
s/tumble/crater/
Don't they make a shitload of weapons though? They could probably never make another commercial airliner again and still do just fine.
The military and civilian divisions will be separate though. .
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The results released Tuesday compared unfavorably with Europe’s Airbus, which reported net orders for 15 planes in May — 27 sales but 12 cancellations.
Boeing also saw Aerolineas Argentinas cancel an order for a single Max jet, bringing its net sales for the month to three.
The dismal results followed poor figures for April, when Boeing reported seven sales — none of them for the Max.
Boeing hopes that the slow pace of orders reflects a lull in sales before next month’s Farnborough International Airshow, where aircraft deals are often announced.
But the Federal Aviation Administration is capping Boeing’s production of 737s after a door plug blew out from an Alaska Airlines Max, allegations by whistleblowers that Boeing has taken shortcuts to produce planes more quickly, and reports of falsified inspection records on some 787 Dreamliner jets.
Boeing, based in Arlington, Virginia, delivered 24 jetliners in May, including 19 Max jets.
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Even if they gave them away for free, no one would take them for commercial use. Not sure who would be surprised at this 'news'
I mean, they totally would. Do you think the fine folks at American airlines have moral compasses that are orders of magnitude greater than boeing's?
I assume their customers would start looking for flights that use safer planes
They have been. The problem is twofold; Airbuses are limited in the U.S., and airlines have increased the rates on those tickets because I guess a working airplane is now considered a premium.
Despite the recent slow sales, Boeing still has a huge backlog of over 5,600 orders
Could it be a purposeful effort by foreign entities to discredit and dilute american corporate giants reputations by placing sympathetic people into positions that would bring that about?
why would boeing need help damaging its reputation? It seems to be doing a great job of that on its own.
So you dont think the people running things could be put there by any actions of a foreign nature? For instance a hiring manager, hr executive, or someone in a similar role?
I think its more if you look at what they did and the problems they're having all came after a merger with McDonnel Douglas and seem to be a typical case of corporate "fire people for reporting bad numbers" aka "kill the messenger" along with lots of outsourcing. Which results in numbers go up but at the cost of QA/QC.
This is all standard reaganomics and like nearly every other company that went down this road while selling real physical products they're now reaping the fruits they've sown for over 20 years.
Sounds reasonable
"reputations" hehe, nice one.
Ahahah. No.
Just a thought
Not everything has to be a conspiracy.
People downvote you, but that could well be true.
Then still the right course of action would be very different from supporting and bailing out etc the contaminated organization.
And then one can also think about other organizations possibly contaminated.
GOOD. How are those profits looking now, you murderous fucks?
They'll just sack some more engineers to cut costs, and hire more sales & marketing.
Unlike a lot of sectors though, Airbus knows what they're doing and is a high profile alternative, and unlike the US, hasn't yet completely internalized our sociopathic greed disease to our degree, despite the global economic pressure we inflict on other nations encouraging them to betray and cause harm to their own societies and citizens if it means an extra nickel of short term private profit.
Don't worry though, the UK has fallen to the greed disease, and our capitalists are bribing and coercing their way eastward, and they won't stop until they either are physically stopped by something like climate change, or successfully make the world forget that Economies are lowly tools that are supposed to exist solely to benefit the people of the society they are a lowly tool for.
Ah I see you're an optimist.
I have just come to acceptance with who we are, and enjoy the accidental poetry of our reckless worship of greed/gluttony/growth/metastasis being our, accelerating going by the latest science still going on deaf ears, end.
I also enjoy all the very corporate culture like bargaining that's going on with cold, hard, unflinching physics. Oh we won't make our non-binding emissions goals and grid standards, so we'll just roll those back, the climate will understand!
We're tackling our own self-inflicted, reverse terraforming climate disaster with the stages of grief because we refuse to stop and change how we live to find homeostasis with this world, so this isn't going to end well, and just like with clean coal/corn ethanol/plant a tree offsets/planet scale carbon scrubbers and all the other private profit driven snake oil "solutions," we aren't going to science up a magic bullet to save us from the epically irresponsible actions of our epically irresponsible species.
In-fuckin-deed. All the talk about "carbon capture" schemes makes my skin crawl.
Well it's either that or delusional parasitosis that makes my skin crawl, but anyhow.
Of all the Dystopias, I think we're closest to Elysium at the moment.
I see The Road primarily, but I could also give a nod to The Road Warrior..
Wake me up when we get to Thunderdome
Yeah, although without the cool space station and cyberpunk-ish tech. I doubt we'll get that far.
True, though I hope we'll see a few variations of Killdozer crop up before the end.
Also Boeing is buying back it's fuselage supplier that it originally spun of into it's own business (because it wasn't profitable for Boeing back then).
The problem now is that supplier also makes fuselages for Airbus. So Boeing is gonna be making them for Airbus...
Oof. Oligopolies/duopolies shouldn't exist, but here we are.
Ehhh there's... Embraer?
Bring back grumman!
Seriously. These cats put men on the moon with 1960s tech. They bought into the dream. Now it's all stock buybacks and evil.
The LLV, specifically.
They don't do widebodies.
Bombardier?
What complete gutter trash talk. Economies serve the master of mankind.
If by mankind you mean about 30kish sociopath families on the backs of billions and to the detriment of the long term climate our only habitat, then sure.
And to be fair, those 30kish sociopath families would largely agree they're the only mankind that counts.
https://www.investopedia.com/new-class-of-global-elite-have-emerged-8357556#:~:text=%22Centi%2Dmillionaires%22%20are%20individuals,a%20wealth%20advisory%20firm%20said.
Sorry about my gutter trash mouth btw, I'll work on that.
1998 Hell in a cell reference, yeah? That's the only thing that coherents up this comment
More sales people to handle all the sales they’re not getting?
An engineer makes engines and a sales persons makes sales, right?
Actually a sailor makes sales.
“Sack”
stuff them into a sack maybe
You can only do so much marketing though. People don't want to fly in these planes if it means a huge risk to their life. It's simpler to just say no thanks. Businesses don't want them if customers aren't going to pay to fly on them. So marketing can only do so much. In the end your product needs to work. If it doesn't, then again people don't want to fly in them... And so on.
they need to make a reality show out of what it looks like to be held accountable and go through the justice system, using some of these soulless pieces of shit as examples. showcase the turmoil of the disgraced family torn apart and offer no help. the public can laugh at their pain the same way they certainly laugh at the issues of the common people they neglect and oppress.
Essentially John Oliver’s episode on Boeing.
I'll have to check that out then
Not some of them, all of them. Such people are usually not too touched by some of them getting the boot.
Fine when the government steps in to bail them out.
What year is it? The 737 Max was a certified death trap since 2018.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maneuvering_Characteristics_Augmentation_System
This. I made sure to never set foot in a newer Boeing since those grounded models were ungrounded.
lol. lmao.
Get fucked Boeing.
They might start sending assassins to threaten their buyers soon
This is definitely more plausible than their improving build quality
At least they won't have to wonder where these severed horse head in the middle of the bed came from.
shit falling apart, again and again and again and...
"y u no buy our shit? :("
If this continues, bailout incoming
Let them fail!
Same company that has the Starliner with leaks staying at the ISS. Not a good look.
Marketing department is going to be working overtime.
The brand new 737 Boeing Goeing. Cheaper than all others on the market with a 15 year warranty. Gaurenteed to keep you Goeing. For fucks sake, we're Boeing.
This is a whole new remodeled version of our Max that had various issues that concerned our buyers. Now, we've added an onboard AI that will detect which items to advertise to customers based off past sales and gender/sex/age/height/and weight. Up your sales numbers guaranteed to increase from the info we scrape off the Internet or buy from Google directly. Built in auto serve tray so the hosts don't need to find the orders, they are auto placed on a exiting conveyor that feeds right onto the cart you roll up!
These beauties are all thrown in for free when you invest in your future that's Goeing places.
*Doors may become from nowhere, wheels may fall off, leaks may occur, but your profits will skyrocket. Landings not guaranteed.
Lmao, that one got me.
We can dream
No need to worry, following what the CEO of Boeing called a "quality escape" regarding a door falling off, Boeing is now just facing a profit and customer escape.
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/boeing-alaska-airlines-door-plug-b2477577.html
It's not so much what the Boeing CEO called the issue so much as a technical term for when a non-conforming product gets sold at its planned inspection operation.
I also haven't bought one.
This shows that there must be actual problems with their aircraft though because airlines are not going to care about public attitude, due to the company's politics. But if they are genuinely unsafe vehicles or have the potential to be unsafe vehicles, then they'll stay away.
If public attitude ever got significant enough that they couldn't fill a certain model of plane they would definitely stop buying them, that said I'm not sure we're at that point.
Every person I know who has flown in the last six months has inquired about the manufacturer of their plane before boarding
I think the nail in the coffin will be the amount someone is willing to pay to not ride on one of those planes. And we're talking money and time.
Flight booking websites literally added these plane models so you could filter out specific planes to avoid those flights because of these stories.
I’m sure the millionaire dipshits who cut corners and killed people are super worried.
laughs in golden parachute
Won’t someone please buy our airborne death trap?
The US government has entered the chat
Boeing hitmen would like to know your location
He’s booked through at least the rest of the year.
In that case, are you looking for an exciting new career opportunity?
Yeah, yeah, but the executives that took the various decisions that made Boeing what it is now are even more millionaire than when they started at Boeing and will not see the inside of a jail cell, ever.
So we can all rest easy knowing that those we are constantly told are the most important people who deserve to be paid so much because of being risk takers and wealth creators, will be just fine, as if a few "nobody" whistleblowers had to be taken out, well, that's a price the trully important risk taking wealth creators were willing to pay.
I was watching this Korean show, they made a whole huge deal about a corporation stealing 5 billion won from the public. I literally burst out laughing when I googled the conversion and it's 3.5 mil USD, big corporations here steal that amount in a quarter second just by breathing yet in Korea it's apparently an amount worthy of its own entire show. US is such a fucked oligarchy.
Assuming the show reflects corporate values and isn't just propaganda like US police shows are intended to make the Korean public (and anyone watching from outside of Korea) think that that's how that would be treated.
From what I understand, South Korea's economy is dominated by a small number of mega corps (like Samsung) that try to do pretty much everything.
What show is that?
The 737 Max is a garbage product they crashed and burned with their MCAS woes. They should give up the iconic product line and go all in on selling the safer 777 as its replacement. Yes, its built for a greater range, but the 777 hasn't been fucked with in terms of fail-deadly systems yet, and its the safest plane Boeing has in its fleet.
Boeing's customers are already out-ordering other models over the 737 Max, the decision is being made for them!
If they do nothing, Airbus will get enough orders to expand its factories and blow through its backlog.
Or in an even darker timeline Lockheed-Martin or Raytheon will open a commercial division, I guess at least the shit will work
Boeing got ruined in the name of capitalism.
The most surprising thing here to me is that someone was buying a 737 Max 3 months ago.
Yeah, I'd love to know what airline that was so I can make sure I never give them my business.
According to boeing's website the last 737 order was in February from "unidentified customer(s)." Hmmmmmmmm
Deserved.
Interestingly enough, even if it would make sense that boeing is now fully focusing on improving quality, it also makes sense to me that airbus must be ensuring and pushing a lot of quality upgrades as well, it would be perfect marketing for them if no mistakes whatsoever happened on airbus's planes
And if they didn't develop the culture of sweeping safety issues under the rug at all levels, they won't have much trouble keeping ahead because I'm sure that even at the height of Boeing's safety ignoring, I bet most of the communication still looked like they took safety seriously. Just those in the know realized that they could make themselves look better by faking it and their management wouldn't care. I've gotta assume that some number of them will think the current safety culture overhaul is really trying to send a message of "just be smarter about ignoring safety, don't let it get to the point where doors fall off mid-flight and we need to kill some whistleblowers".
thalidomide sales took a real header once too. people normally will choose to spend their money on things which will benefit them, and tend not to spend money on the things which will kill them and hurt their business.
It’s good to see the free market actually working
Well, keep buying back stock, that seems to help.
Millennials are killing the 737 Max industry!
s/tumble/crater/
Don't they make a shitload of weapons though? They could probably never make another commercial airliner again and still do just fine.
The military and civilian divisions will be separate though. .
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The results released Tuesday compared unfavorably with Europe’s Airbus, which reported net orders for 15 planes in May — 27 sales but 12 cancellations.
Boeing also saw Aerolineas Argentinas cancel an order for a single Max jet, bringing its net sales for the month to three.
The dismal results followed poor figures for April, when Boeing reported seven sales — none of them for the Max.
Boeing hopes that the slow pace of orders reflects a lull in sales before next month’s Farnborough International Airshow, where aircraft deals are often announced.
But the Federal Aviation Administration is capping Boeing’s production of 737s after a door plug blew out from an Alaska Airlines Max, allegations by whistleblowers that Boeing has taken shortcuts to produce planes more quickly, and reports of falsified inspection records on some 787 Dreamliner jets.
Boeing, based in Arlington, Virginia, delivered 24 jetliners in May, including 19 Max jets.
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Even if they gave them away for free, no one would take them for commercial use. Not sure who would be surprised at this 'news'
I mean, they totally would. Do you think the fine folks at American airlines have moral compasses that are orders of magnitude greater than boeing's?
I assume their customers would start looking for flights that use safer planes
They have been. The problem is twofold; Airbuses are limited in the U.S., and airlines have increased the rates on those tickets because I guess a working airplane is now considered a premium.
Could it be a purposeful effort by foreign entities to discredit and dilute american corporate giants reputations by placing sympathetic people into positions that would bring that about?
why would boeing need help damaging its reputation? It seems to be doing a great job of that on its own.
So you dont think the people running things could be put there by any actions of a foreign nature? For instance a hiring manager, hr executive, or someone in a similar role?
I think its more if you look at what they did and the problems they're having all came after a merger with McDonnel Douglas and seem to be a typical case of corporate "fire people for reporting bad numbers" aka "kill the messenger" along with lots of outsourcing. Which results in numbers go up but at the cost of QA/QC.
This is all standard reaganomics and like nearly every other company that went down this road while selling real physical products they're now reaping the fruits they've sown for over 20 years.
Sounds reasonable
"reputations" hehe, nice one.
Ahahah. No.
Just a thought
Not everything has to be a conspiracy.
People downvote you, but that could well be true.
Then still the right course of action would be very different from supporting and bailing out etc the contaminated organization.
And then one can also think about other organizations possibly contaminated.