I'm not just worried, I am frightened and have nowhere to turn.
It's OK, you're not alone in that fear.
I voted against him. Was my vote illegal? Am I going to jail?
You can come to Germany! We might have 1 - 5 years left till everything goes down the drain.
Unless someone finds a cure for the Akrasia, that plagues our Government.
Started learning German for fun, now it seems like a good plan B.
Hope the price of eggs was worth sacrificing all your civil liberties America
You deserve everything you're going to fucking get. That includes the women and Latinos that voted for him. Your faces will be eaten eventually and you will get zero sympathy from me.
Please don't forget that neatly half of the country realizes he's insane and is terrified. Not everyone deserves this. Tens of millions of us out there don't want this.
I hate this as a Canadian cause it's gonna mess with our economy. But it will also stoke more support for the current conservative dickbag running to be prime minister. Also I don't want more Americans moving here.
This is going to have a chilling effect on democracy, and an energizing effect on fascism, worldwide. The movement to try to limit climate change is now dead and buried, worldwide. There is no part of the world that is safe from the effects of this.
Also I don't want more Americans moving here.
I have a sad feeling the rest of the world feels the same way.
I'm at the point where I want to leave these borders. I want to go somewhere relatively quiet and developed that has worker's rights and isn't some major turbulent player in the game of global domination.
I'd respect my new home and integrate and do my best to get along with my new neighbors.
But I'm pretty sure we're stuck here to endure this madness.
The rich have already departed though. So you'll probably end up with less humble American refugees and more pompous real-estate moguls. And for that, I'm sorry.
I will be shocked if the cost of living comes down at a notable rate when compared to other developed countries.
Conservatives have never been better at managing the economy, yet people believe they are, for some reason ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Are you surprised that most people are just dumb as bricks?
I heard a lot of commentary about the price of eggs tonight. I live in San Diego, America's most expensive city. I've seen at some major chains a dozen eggs in the $6 - $9 range. Most stores I've seen them around $4 or $5 bucks a dozen. I also purchased a dozen yesterday for $2.79, and that was through Doordash even. So like, I call bullshit. Americans are dumb and too lazy to shop around. The gas station closest my house is $5.80 according to Google just now, but I filled up last night about 5 miles away with cash for $3.99. So infuriating that lack of effort or stupidity is likely what drove Trump back into office.
Yeah the thing is the average trump supporter will be hurt less than everyone else (and that's the whole point)
Oh, no. They will be hurt the same as everyone else but The Donald will just tell them that it's the Democrats/immigrants/gay people's/critical race theory's fault and they will believe him because having someone else to blame for their problems is a lot easier than fixing their problems.
No, straight cis white men will get hurt economically and through living in a degraded society, but they will not be forced to carry pregnancies, or be murdered because of their race or their sexual orientation.
And they know that. As long as he hurts those others even more they're fine with what he does to them.
Clearly not only cis white men voted for him though. And those people are definitely going to be hurt, and I'm sorry to say but they will fucking deserve it.
Surely the polarisation of politics, in part due to painting cis white men as colonising evil bastards at every opportunity, has nothing to do with the current state of politics.
Yeah, the demographics of voters are just made up, huh? They are the overwhelming supporters of the far right. Don't wanna be painted like that? Don't vote for fascists.
I'm a cis white guy too, for the record, and I'm not saying it's something inherent in skin colour or having a penis that makes someone an asshole. But it's classic bully behaviour to tell people lower on the hierarchy "look what you made me do". You want things to be less divided then you should start by accepting the simple facts.
No the demographics of voters are very real and the Kamala campaign spent virtually no time convincing cis white males that their lives would be better under Kamala.
Virtually everyone votes out of self interest. Trying to convince people to vote out of altruism while they perceive they will be losing out isn’t going to work.
If someone "perceives they are losing out" because of doing something positive for women or minorities then that says a lot about their worldview, they are the ones responsible for polarisation there.
Agreed on the campaign though, it was the dems' to lose and they royally fucked it up.
They perceive they are losing out because of the economy. Look at the places that vote red; they have all lost manufacturing and gone backwards in standard of living.
There’s already an article stating Trump did better than expected with almost every demographic. It’s not just white men
Hahahaha no they fucking won't .. they're just too goddamn gullible to blame spurious sources, like liberal policies that are fucking them with taxes....not the trillions of tax gifts given to the billionaires the fucking moron represents.
The supporters will continue to be ignorant, stupid and blame all of their problems on liberals, instead of the 1% absolutely raking their ignorant asses over the coals
We're fucked, the supporters are fucked too but they're too stupid to know the leopards will eat their face too.
There's gonna be lots of content for leopardsatemyface in the next few years
I mean we both know it but that's still with us having to deal with the consequences of this horrific decision that has told me I am no longer an American in spirit because this isn't the America I live in. I believe in freedoms freedom to handle your medical necessities the freedom to follow the god you want to follow The freedom to be left alone to live your life which apparently are not things anymore.
We all know that's not true. He hates his supporters. He just didn't realize the first time through that they were trashy and ::gasp:: poor.
About 6 2 million fewer votes for Trump than last election, which is good, but it doesn't matter since there are 18 14 million fewer votes for Harris than for Biden last election! Wher were those 18 14 million people? It can't be that all of them are in the "I don't vote for genocide" camp. What happened?
It's never been clearer that not voting gives the election to the Republicans.
Edit: Updated the numbers as more votes were counted, but the point stands.
It’s very strange to me that turnout is lower, purely because when I went out to vote there was a line goin out the building, which I have never seen before in my area
Maybe sexism and racism are not isolated to the right wing, possibly a lot more in the centre than assumed. Maybe just enough in certain demos to affect turnout.
It's weird because I even noticed this among liberals. The presidential candidates are always referred to by last name. But both times a woman tried to run, people referred to her as her first name whether you are conservative or liberal or what have you. I have found it a bit disrespectful tbh, and all sides have been guilty of this. The US will never elect a female president, let alone a female president of color. It's bizarre.
People did it with Obama too, he was "Barack" to some.
The US is a much more chauvinistic nation than many but it's also by far and away the most violent nation in the industrialized world. The two are definitely linked.
maybe it's just because that's the more memorable/unique parts of their name?
trump/biden is much more distinctive than donald/joe
clinton could refer to both bill or hillary
obama/kamala is more memorable than barack/harris (though maybe for obama that's just because I've heard 'obama' so many times)
I'm not saying that's definitely not true, just that there might be other reasons why
I suppose I could give it to you for Hillary Clinton because it could have been confusing wrt Bill. But with Harris, I'm not buying it. Both "Barack" and "Obama" are equally distinct to me. We have never had a president Harris before, so it's plenty distinct enough. It's not as though presidential candidates always have wildly distinct and uncommon names.
Not all have been counted yet
They just called Wisconsin for Trump which puts him over 270.
Yeah but the point was about what turnout was. We know who won but it's a bit early to discuss relative turnout compared to 2020. It is likely lower, but the specifics will be a while.
There's no question turnout is lower. Both Trump and Harris received fewer votes than Trump and Biden last time around. Neither of them are inspiring. Yeah Trump has a base, but a lot of Republicans don't like him but some still voted for him. Harris was uninspiring and had a lot of baggage from the last 3 and 1/2 years. She would not have won a primary in my opinion, if Biden hadn't insisted on going for a second term initially.
If Biden hadn't insisted on running despite his declining mental state, she wouldn't have won a primary, not very likely anyway. She is uninspiring and she carries the baggage of the struggling/non-existent middle class, housing market, 12 million border crossings etc.
I don't know what the final turnout figures will be, but if it is a lower turnout, I can think of a few:
2020 was the easiest year to mail in a ballot ever, and it got harder again as states reinstated various difficulties with mail in ballots.
So many people didn't have to go into work in 2020, they had more flexibility to vote however they needed to do it.
The honest truth is that the Harris/Walz campaign did not motivate their voter base. People were talking about doing fucking vote swaps with people in swing states because they didn't want to vote for Harris.
I have no idea what the fuck the whole "courting the right" angle was, but it failed. Maybe it was the stance on Gaza, maybe it was the stance on immigration, maybe it was just feeling spurned by the party for caring about alot of issues like trans rights Harris left to the wayside while campaigning, but it didn't motivate people to cut through the bullshit and go to the polls.
Meanwhile, Trump stayed in the news 24/7, constantly doubling down on his rhetoric, and his voters mostly all turned out again.
It's not just the "I don't vote for genocide" camp; there's also the "can't this fucker at least campaign properly" camp and the "I'm not voting for this right wing nonsense" camp, among others. Harris was just that bad at this.
So you're saying people decided to avoid voting for right wing nonsense, and let Donald "Dictator on Day One" Trump win instead?
Exactly. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, but that is exactly what happened.
It’s easier to blame the voters than to blame the democrats for a miserable campaign
I blame both. The democrat party and the ones who didn't vote.
When Trump was first elected, it made me realize how stupid most of the US is. The results of this election were not surprising, I even linked to the sort of self-serving articles that preceded just before Hillary-Trump's elections to people who were doing the same in this election. At least in this election, it's sort of like Israel, they are leaving no doubt about who they support. I don't even care if Kamala gets the popular vote, most criticize the electoral college word only and refuse to consider gerrymandering as electoral fraud, leading to it occurring in greater and newer ways this election.
Why are americans so stupid and yet manage to export so much smart stuff from tech to podcasts to scientists. Is it some sort of dystopia where 1% rules, 20% live in a bubble and 79% are just brain dead idiots?
1-America imports smart people from all over the world.
2-Technical smarts and don't-vote-for-fascism smarts are different.
Yeah but basically everyone I follow from podcasters to tech developers are all non-idiots and I assume their following are also mostly non-idiots. Where are all of these idiots hiding? The contrast between US soft power export and actual average americans is colossal.
You're looking at and following your information bubble.
This is by design.
Yeah but almost every American I meet here traveling in SEA or Europe is a perfectly reasonable person.
Dunno I just am in such disbelief that my world experience doesn't match reality at all. I even consider myself pretty well traveled with 20 years of experience traveling around the globe though admittedly I've never been to the USA yet and I fear I might not get to see Yellowstone or Big Sur ever at this point or do I even want to?
Kinda sucks to be a fan of US now ngl.
The people you meet while travelling are not the average people. The average American never travels to another state, let alone to other continents... Same is true for many people in many countries: Asians visiting Europe are top % of population in wealth and brains. It's dissapointing and depressing but fox probably gives you a more true picture of average Americans than Americans you meet while travelling.
Yes I'm perfectly familiar with "survivors bias" but never seen it so extreme.
The more conservative you are, the less likely you are to travel. The less likely you are to be open to experiencing “them”.
When I went back to my high school reunion, I tried reconnecting with an old buddy of mine. I found it a little odd that his life seemed exactly the same as in high school, but eventually he admitted that he had never been more than about 50 miles from the town we grew up in. Never left the state, much less the country. Never left the surrounding rural cluster of towns. Never flew. Not even a road trip to a coast, amusement park or city. No changes in food from what he grew up with. No people different from him. What the everliving fuck?
If you go to the States as a tourist the chances are that you will be just fine, it's the living there that increasingly sucks.
The podcasters you follow are not the mainstream in the US. Probably the majority of mainstream podcasters targeting men, were pro Trump in one way or the other. Either by inviting guests that were pro-Trump, or inviting quacks that are telling men that the left is taking away their masculinity.
Joe Rogan has the biggest podcast in the English speaking world. He has been consistently pro-Trump.
He has not been consistently pro Trump, he has harshly criticized Trump in the past. But now he's an ass-kisser like Elon. Let's see how well that works out for them. If they can keep daddy Trump happy at the expense of everyone else.
He has endorsed Trump for three elections running.
They're populists.
They see which way a crowd is running and jump in front, shouting "follow me!"
Why do people from Europe go and build monuments and luxury in Saudi Arabia?
Money. Same answer in the US.
The US is an oligarchy, as attested to by this Oxford study. To answer your question, mostly yes, hence places like "Silicon Valley" and institutions like the electoral college.
Interesting that was written in 2014... Before it was obvious it had all just gone to shit
It just wasn't obvious to you.
An election was stolen in broad fucking daylight in 2000. That was the canary in the coal mine on election interference.
Yes.
Then there's us smart ones who see what's going on, but we're outnumbered by idiots.
I am fucking gutted, I am so sad and angry and I don’t know what to do. I am overall a happy and positive person and believe in humanity but this win feels like it’s stripping me of a piece of that and I hate that! I hate that I feel so much hate right now, it’s exactly what I preach against, yet here I am. I can’t believe this is happening
Ikr... I don't even own a car, I walk to work, take the MRT everywhere etc. and the Americans are electing a president who says "Drill baby, drill". I'm not an American, but it will affect us all... I live in Taiwan now and I'm fucking afraid of what his presidency will do to the geopolitical balance with China.
While I have no idea how to handle China’s ever bigger presence on the world stage, I know the spiteful antagonism is not it.
That's how I felt here in the UK when I woke up to see the majority voted for Brexit. Before that I thought people can't be that dumb. Apparently they can.
I feel as you. I wanted to believe we're better than this.
I m an atheist but I pray for you , it will be only 4 years , hope you stay safe.
Thank you, I really appreciate that. I’m essentially an atheist too (I don’t even give it a label for myself because god and religion are just not a part of my life, and I don’t need them to be). And yet somehow I feel I have exponentially more compassion and value of morality than a large swath of these people voting in a monster, acting under the guise of being “good Christians”. Maybe I’m delusional, maybe I’m the one missing something, I don’t know. I still believe in humanity, but man I’m just sad right now. Anywho, I’ll take all the prayers and positive energy for everyone that I can get right now, so thank you
Fuck. I hope Canada has some open slots for immigrants.
Canada has an increasing anti immigrant sentiment right now. They've announced big cut backs to the number of immigrants allowed. Furthermore, moving to another country is difficult and expensive. It's not a realistic option for most people.
Tbh most of the ire aimed at immigrants here is specifically targeted to either Indian or Ukrainian migrants. Infrastructure is genuinely buckling under the weight of migration but it's a case of too little investment and not entirely the result of immigration.
I can say as a white, western immigrant to Canada that I've never had anyone complain about my immigration however I've had locals complain about immigration to me forgetting that I am indeed one of the immies.
They are angry at Ukrainians? Shiiiiit....
Not in my experience, no. It doesn't seem to be an issue with any particular group, although some people may be more vocal about Indian immigrants in particular - for what seems to be racially motivated reasons in my opinion.
The main complaint is that we've allowed too many people all at once and we now face issues with the lack of housing availability and affordability, the state of the economy, overpopulation and the potential strain on public resources.
I'll marry one of ya's
From what I can gather, Canada seems to be following the same trend as the US just shifted back a few years
Seconded
Until a trumper does something fucked up and the border gets closed off.
Sucks here but welcome
Their country has a severe housing crisis.
Ok just hurry up and get your citizenship so you can help us vote against the guy who's trying to be like Trump, thnx.
Canada will soon be electing a conservative government.
-no more vaccines (never liked needles anyway)
-no more fluoride in the water (who likes nice teeth anyway, plus you can get fakes installed)
-never need to vote for president again (think about how much time that'll save)
-no jan 6th revolt in 2025 (maybe they will just for fun though, who knows)
-perhaps Trump can fill the remaining seats of the supreme court and get a properly conservative suite of justices
-Elon Musk will be our super-cool tech daddy
No more environment (hate the outside anyway)
No more Ukraine (the weather in Kyiv sucks and I have a gluten allergy who needs grain anyway)
More refugees into Europe (yeah Europe is totally prepared for that and won’t cause more fascists to win European elections)
Yeah fascists in Europe turned out great the last time
Hey, maybe we in Europe will get to be the ones making a deal with the devil (Stalin then, Xi now) to get a red flag flying in the fascist capitol.
Better start working for some social points. I love surveillance cameras everywhere.
Lol we have Chinese police taking people away already. I'd also love chat control to go through. No fair that it's only the US and the Chinese who get to dragnet the world, I want locally sourced fair trade repression. Gotta love this world.
That said, China has a lot of shit going on, but a credit system is not one of them. For example, they are actively trying to tamp down social (and physical) mobility. It's a shit place right now, maybe it always was.
The only country I know that has a credit points system that decides a lot of the opportunities you get in life is the US.
No more environment
That won't be a problem. America will simply be towed outside the environment.
If only the front would fall off...
I think that one guy with the folder "Memes if Donald Trump wins" is gonna have to bust them out.
Trump is not going to create a better economy. We're gonna go into a recession and he's going to blame it on democrats and COVID restrictions.
He's going to increase immigration, lower wages due to cheap labor, and cause wages to go down. He said this and the retards that live in rural America think he's going to benefit them. He's going to reduce the power of Unions.
It's clown world.
It it bad that I think that's a best case scenario? Things aren't looking good.
We’re going back to child labor in factories and brood mares barefoot and pregnant. Trans and brown folks are going to have a real bad time. I’m a white dude and even I’m afraid of what’s going to happen
Clown country
Yet what they’ll remember is the stock market skyrocketed
As if the world hasn't collectively had its head up it's ass recently...
More than anything I’m depressed by the precedent that this sets for the world on attitude and actions. He literally attacked and abused his way to the top. And a majority of Americans support it. Holy fuck.
This has gotta be fraud, there's just no way America would choose a convicted felon over a woman... right?
There’s no way any number of women would choose someone promising to curtail their medical rights.
There’s no way any non-white would choose someone so racist
There’s no way any immigrant would choose someone scapegoating their culture and promising to deport them even if they are citizens
There’s no way anyone who has listened to his speeches would choose a gibberish idiot
There’s no way anyone who witnessed the mess last time around would want to repeat it
There’s no way anyone who older person would choose a known real estate grifter
There’s no way a parent would choose anyone threatening their child’s future
I’m sure we could go on, but I just read an article that Trump did better than expected with every demographic except college educated women. How ?
There's no such thing as an undecided voter.
They've either decided, or decided to do something bad and don't want you to judge them.
Yep, we did it. We are Homer Simpson. D’Oh
They've done it before and they'll fucking do it again.
All these young new potential voters! A fresh wave of idiot!
0 empathy for americans. You deserve what you get for either not voting or voting the baffoon. Even dems deserve it for stupidly changing the candidate and AGAIN acting like they already won everywhere which makes people think "oh then I dont have to vote"
My desperation is not foremost about sympathy for the US, but for the consequences for international politics.
This is certainly an enormous turning point for America, but it's also a very dark day for the outlook of the future of... well basically everything.
The continuation of our species on this earth are facing problems that are more complex than can be put into a slogan or a headline, and both Trump and his voters are to dumb to understand such matters. And that's not said in hate or anger, it's just an observable, testable fact that they're literally unintelligent.
Yeah its terrible for everyone else. Especially Ukrainians, Taiwanese and Palestinians. Though the last group I feel less empathy for now since they called for not voting either so they are as responsible as Trump supporters.
i dont think swapping biden out was a bad move. i think it could have been someone better though
How about all of us who aren't members of either party and just tried to stop Trump from getting into office? Zero sympathy for us too? Because I had nothing to do with any candidate that the Democrats chose. I just voted for Harris to stop Trump. And failed. But how is it my fault?
Unfortunately my country loves to copy America in everything they do so we will be walking off the cliff soon too
Mine also has fascists getting 20-30% a lot of places. But we have more safeguards
I voted but I will still have to endure four more years of stupid self serving idiot.
I’m most afraid of all the hangers on plotting how best to expand their agenda. At least his first term had the incompetence to prevent some of his worst ideas but that may not be true this time.
My biggest fear is for the environment. Only the EPA and California are allowed to set environmental standards and the rest of us can only pick which to follow. Hopefully my state politicians will remain steadfast, but I have no way of supporting California when they come for the environment. If California can hold and the dozen or so that follow that remain true, maybe there’s still a hope for the environment my kids will live in
you all need to learn to distinguish between the people/the government/the country
Jesus Christ. Locking down this massive shit show.
I'm not just worried, I am frightened and have nowhere to turn.
It's OK, you're not alone in that fear.
I voted against him. Was my vote illegal? Am I going to jail?
You can come to Germany! We might have 1 - 5 years left till everything goes down the drain.
Unless someone finds a cure for the Akrasia, that plagues our Government.
Started learning German for fun, now it seems like a good plan B.
Hope the price of eggs was worth sacrificing all your civil liberties America
You deserve everything you're going to fucking get. That includes the women and Latinos that voted for him. Your faces will be eaten eventually and you will get zero sympathy from me.
Please don't forget that neatly half of the country realizes he's insane and is terrified. Not everyone deserves this. Tens of millions of us out there don't want this.
I hate this as a Canadian cause it's gonna mess with our economy. But it will also stoke more support for the current conservative dickbag running to be prime minister. Also I don't want more Americans moving here.
This is going to have a chilling effect on democracy, and an energizing effect on fascism, worldwide. The movement to try to limit climate change is now dead and buried, worldwide. There is no part of the world that is safe from the effects of this.
I have a sad feeling the rest of the world feels the same way.
I'm at the point where I want to leave these borders. I want to go somewhere relatively quiet and developed that has worker's rights and isn't some major turbulent player in the game of global domination.
I'd respect my new home and integrate and do my best to get along with my new neighbors.
But I'm pretty sure we're stuck here to endure this madness.
The rich have already departed though. So you'll probably end up with less humble American refugees and more pompous real-estate moguls. And for that, I'm sorry.
I will be shocked if the cost of living comes down at a notable rate when compared to other developed countries.
Conservatives have never been better at managing the economy, yet people believe they are, for some reason ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Are you surprised that most people are just dumb as bricks?
I heard a lot of commentary about the price of eggs tonight. I live in San Diego, America's most expensive city. I've seen at some major chains a dozen eggs in the $6 - $9 range. Most stores I've seen them around $4 or $5 bucks a dozen. I also purchased a dozen yesterday for $2.79, and that was through Doordash even. So like, I call bullshit. Americans are dumb and too lazy to shop around. The gas station closest my house is $5.80 according to Google just now, but I filled up last night about 5 miles away with cash for $3.99. So infuriating that lack of effort or stupidity is likely what drove Trump back into office.
Yeah the thing is the average trump supporter will be hurt less than everyone else (and that's the whole point)
Oh, no. They will be hurt the same as everyone else but The Donald will just tell them that it's the Democrats/immigrants/gay people's/critical race theory's fault and they will believe him because having someone else to blame for their problems is a lot easier than fixing their problems.
No, straight cis white men will get hurt economically and through living in a degraded society, but they will not be forced to carry pregnancies, or be murdered because of their race or their sexual orientation.
And they know that. As long as he hurts those others even more they're fine with what he does to them.
Clearly not only cis white men voted for him though. And those people are definitely going to be hurt, and I'm sorry to say but they will fucking deserve it.
Surely the polarisation of politics, in part due to painting cis white men as colonising evil bastards at every opportunity, has nothing to do with the current state of politics.
Yeah, the demographics of voters are just made up, huh? They are the overwhelming supporters of the far right. Don't wanna be painted like that? Don't vote for fascists.
I'm a cis white guy too, for the record, and I'm not saying it's something inherent in skin colour or having a penis that makes someone an asshole. But it's classic bully behaviour to tell people lower on the hierarchy "look what you made me do". You want things to be less divided then you should start by accepting the simple facts.
No the demographics of voters are very real and the Kamala campaign spent virtually no time convincing cis white males that their lives would be better under Kamala.
Virtually everyone votes out of self interest. Trying to convince people to vote out of altruism while they perceive they will be losing out isn’t going to work.
If someone "perceives they are losing out" because of doing something positive for women or minorities then that says a lot about their worldview, they are the ones responsible for polarisation there.
Agreed on the campaign though, it was the dems' to lose and they royally fucked it up.
They perceive they are losing out because of the economy. Look at the places that vote red; they have all lost manufacturing and gone backwards in standard of living.
There’s already an article stating Trump did better than expected with almost every demographic. It’s not just white men
Hahahaha no they fucking won't .. they're just too goddamn gullible to blame spurious sources, like liberal policies that are fucking them with taxes....not the trillions of tax gifts given to the billionaires the fucking moron represents.
The supporters will continue to be ignorant, stupid and blame all of their problems on liberals, instead of the 1% absolutely raking their ignorant asses over the coals
We're fucked, the supporters are fucked too but they're too stupid to know the leopards will eat their face too.
There's gonna be lots of content for leopardsatemyface in the next few years
I mean we both know it but that's still with us having to deal with the consequences of this horrific decision that has told me I am no longer an American in spirit because this isn't the America I live in. I believe in freedoms freedom to handle your medical necessities the freedom to follow the god you want to follow The freedom to be left alone to live your life which apparently are not things anymore.
We all know that's not true. He hates his supporters. He just didn't realize the first time through that they were trashy and ::gasp:: poor.
About
62 million fewer votes for Trump than last election, which is good, but it doesn't matter since there are1814 million fewer votes for Harris than for Biden last election! Wher were those1814 million people? It can't be that all of them are in the "I don't vote for genocide" camp. What happened?It's never been clearer that not voting gives the election to the Republicans.
Edit: Updated the numbers as more votes were counted, but the point stands.
It’s very strange to me that turnout is lower, purely because when I went out to vote there was a line goin out the building, which I have never seen before in my area
Maybe sexism and racism are not isolated to the right wing, possibly a lot more in the centre than assumed. Maybe just enough in certain demos to affect turnout.
It's weird because I even noticed this among liberals. The presidential candidates are always referred to by last name. But both times a woman tried to run, people referred to her as her first name whether you are conservative or liberal or what have you. I have found it a bit disrespectful tbh, and all sides have been guilty of this. The US will never elect a female president, let alone a female president of color. It's bizarre.
People did it with Obama too, he was "Barack" to some.
The US is a much more chauvinistic nation than many but it's also by far and away the most violent nation in the industrialized world. The two are definitely linked.
maybe it's just because that's the more memorable/unique parts of their name?
trump/biden is much more distinctive than donald/joe
clinton could refer to both bill or hillary
obama/kamala is more memorable than barack/harris (though maybe for obama that's just because I've heard 'obama' so many times)
I'm not saying that's definitely not true, just that there might be other reasons why
I suppose I could give it to you for Hillary Clinton because it could have been confusing wrt Bill. But with Harris, I'm not buying it. Both "Barack" and "Obama" are equally distinct to me. We have never had a president Harris before, so it's plenty distinct enough. It's not as though presidential candidates always have wildly distinct and uncommon names.
Not all have been counted yet
They just called Wisconsin for Trump which puts him over 270.
Yeah but the point was about what turnout was. We know who won but it's a bit early to discuss relative turnout compared to 2020. It is likely lower, but the specifics will be a while.
There's no question turnout is lower. Both Trump and Harris received fewer votes than Trump and Biden last time around. Neither of them are inspiring. Yeah Trump has a base, but a lot of Republicans don't like him but some still voted for him. Harris was uninspiring and had a lot of baggage from the last 3 and 1/2 years. She would not have won a primary in my opinion, if Biden hadn't insisted on going for a second term initially.
If Biden hadn't insisted on running despite his declining mental state, she wouldn't have won a primary, not very likely anyway. She is uninspiring and she carries the baggage of the struggling/non-existent middle class, housing market, 12 million border crossings etc.
I don't know what the final turnout figures will be, but if it is a lower turnout, I can think of a few:
The honest truth is that the Harris/Walz campaign did not motivate their voter base. People were talking about doing fucking vote swaps with people in swing states because they didn't want to vote for Harris.
I have no idea what the fuck the whole "courting the right" angle was, but it failed. Maybe it was the stance on Gaza, maybe it was the stance on immigration, maybe it was just feeling spurned by the party for caring about alot of issues like trans rights Harris left to the wayside while campaigning, but it didn't motivate people to cut through the bullshit and go to the polls.
Meanwhile, Trump stayed in the news 24/7, constantly doubling down on his rhetoric, and his voters mostly all turned out again.
It's not just the "I don't vote for genocide" camp; there's also the "can't this fucker at least campaign properly" camp and the "I'm not voting for this right wing nonsense" camp, among others. Harris was just that bad at this.
So you're saying people decided to avoid voting for right wing nonsense, and let Donald "Dictator on Day One" Trump win instead?
Exactly. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, but that is exactly what happened.
It’s easier to blame the voters than to blame the democrats for a miserable campaign
I blame both. The democrat party and the ones who didn't vote.
When Trump was first elected, it made me realize how stupid most of the US is. The results of this election were not surprising, I even linked to the sort of self-serving articles that preceded just before Hillary-Trump's elections to people who were doing the same in this election. At least in this election, it's sort of like Israel, they are leaving no doubt about who they support. I don't even care if Kamala gets the popular vote, most criticize the electoral college word only and refuse to consider gerrymandering as electoral fraud, leading to it occurring in greater and newer ways this election.
Why are americans so stupid and yet manage to export so much smart stuff from tech to podcasts to scientists. Is it some sort of dystopia where 1% rules, 20% live in a bubble and 79% are just brain dead idiots?
1-America imports smart people from all over the world.
2-Technical smarts and don't-vote-for-fascism smarts are different.
Yeah but basically everyone I follow from podcasters to tech developers are all non-idiots and I assume their following are also mostly non-idiots. Where are all of these idiots hiding? The contrast between US soft power export and actual average americans is colossal.
You're looking at and following your information bubble.
This is by design.
Yeah but almost every American I meet here traveling in SEA or Europe is a perfectly reasonable person.
Dunno I just am in such disbelief that my world experience doesn't match reality at all. I even consider myself pretty well traveled with 20 years of experience traveling around the globe though admittedly I've never been to the USA yet and I fear I might not get to see Yellowstone or Big Sur ever at this point or do I even want to?
Kinda sucks to be a fan of US now ngl.
The people you meet while travelling are not the average people. The average American never travels to another state, let alone to other continents... Same is true for many people in many countries: Asians visiting Europe are top % of population in wealth and brains. It's dissapointing and depressing but fox probably gives you a more true picture of average Americans than Americans you meet while travelling.
Yes I'm perfectly familiar with "survivors bias" but never seen it so extreme.
The more conservative you are, the less likely you are to travel. The less likely you are to be open to experiencing “them”.
When I went back to my high school reunion, I tried reconnecting with an old buddy of mine. I found it a little odd that his life seemed exactly the same as in high school, but eventually he admitted that he had never been more than about 50 miles from the town we grew up in. Never left the state, much less the country. Never left the surrounding rural cluster of towns. Never flew. Not even a road trip to a coast, amusement park or city. No changes in food from what he grew up with. No people different from him. What the everliving fuck?
If you go to the States as a tourist the chances are that you will be just fine, it's the living there that increasingly sucks.
The podcasters you follow are not the mainstream in the US. Probably the majority of mainstream podcasters targeting men, were pro Trump in one way or the other. Either by inviting guests that were pro-Trump, or inviting quacks that are telling men that the left is taking away their masculinity.
Joe Rogan has the biggest podcast in the English speaking world. He has been consistently pro-Trump.
He has not been consistently pro Trump, he has harshly criticized Trump in the past. But now he's an ass-kisser like Elon. Let's see how well that works out for them. If they can keep daddy Trump happy at the expense of everyone else.
He has endorsed Trump for three elections running.
They're populists.
They see which way a crowd is running and jump in front, shouting "follow me!"
Why do people from Europe go and build monuments and luxury in Saudi Arabia?
Money. Same answer in the US.
The US is an oligarchy, as attested to by this Oxford study. To answer your question, mostly yes, hence places like "Silicon Valley" and institutions like the electoral college.
Interesting that was written in 2014... Before it was obvious it had all just gone to shit
It just wasn't obvious to you.
An election was stolen in broad fucking daylight in 2000. That was the canary in the coal mine on election interference.
Yes.
Then there's us smart ones who see what's going on, but we're outnumbered by idiots.
I fear you may have hit the nail on the head
Gerrymandering is clearly electoral fraud, but
I am fucking gutted, I am so sad and angry and I don’t know what to do. I am overall a happy and positive person and believe in humanity but this win feels like it’s stripping me of a piece of that and I hate that! I hate that I feel so much hate right now, it’s exactly what I preach against, yet here I am. I can’t believe this is happening
Ikr... I don't even own a car, I walk to work, take the MRT everywhere etc. and the Americans are electing a president who says "Drill baby, drill". I'm not an American, but it will affect us all... I live in Taiwan now and I'm fucking afraid of what his presidency will do to the geopolitical balance with China.
While I have no idea how to handle China’s ever bigger presence on the world stage, I know the spiteful antagonism is not it.
That's how I felt here in the UK when I woke up to see the majority voted for Brexit. Before that I thought people can't be that dumb. Apparently they can.
I feel as you. I wanted to believe we're better than this.
I m an atheist but I pray for you , it will be only 4 years , hope you stay safe.
Thank you, I really appreciate that. I’m essentially an atheist too (I don’t even give it a label for myself because god and religion are just not a part of my life, and I don’t need them to be). And yet somehow I feel I have exponentially more compassion and value of morality than a large swath of these people voting in a monster, acting under the guise of being “good Christians”. Maybe I’m delusional, maybe I’m the one missing something, I don’t know. I still believe in humanity, but man I’m just sad right now. Anywho, I’ll take all the prayers and positive energy for everyone that I can get right now, so thank you
Fuck. I hope Canada has some open slots for immigrants.
Canada has an increasing anti immigrant sentiment right now. They've announced big cut backs to the number of immigrants allowed. Furthermore, moving to another country is difficult and expensive. It's not a realistic option for most people.
Tbh most of the ire aimed at immigrants here is specifically targeted to either Indian or Ukrainian migrants. Infrastructure is genuinely buckling under the weight of migration but it's a case of too little investment and not entirely the result of immigration.
I can say as a white, western immigrant to Canada that I've never had anyone complain about my immigration however I've had locals complain about immigration to me forgetting that I am indeed one of the immies.
They are angry at Ukrainians? Shiiiiit....
Not in my experience, no. It doesn't seem to be an issue with any particular group, although some people may be more vocal about Indian immigrants in particular - for what seems to be racially motivated reasons in my opinion.
The main complaint is that we've allowed too many people all at once and we now face issues with the lack of housing availability and affordability, the state of the economy, overpopulation and the potential strain on public resources.
I'll marry one of ya's
From what I can gather, Canada seems to be following the same trend as the US just shifted back a few years
Seconded
Until a trumper does something fucked up and the border gets closed off.
Sucks here but welcome
Their country has a severe housing crisis.
Ok just hurry up and get your citizenship so you can help us vote against the guy who's trying to be like Trump, thnx.
Canada will soon be electing a conservative government.
Looking at the bright side:
-no more vaccines (never liked needles anyway) -no more fluoride in the water (who likes nice teeth anyway, plus you can get fakes installed) -never need to vote for president again (think about how much time that'll save) -no jan 6th revolt in 2025 (maybe they will just for fun though, who knows) -perhaps Trump can fill the remaining seats of the supreme court and get a properly conservative suite of justices -Elon Musk will be our super-cool tech daddy
Yeah fascists in Europe turned out great the last time
Hey, maybe we in Europe will get to be the ones making a deal with the devil (Stalin then, Xi now) to get a red flag flying in the fascist capitol.
Better start working for some social points. I love surveillance cameras everywhere.
Lol we have Chinese police taking people away already. I'd also love chat control to go through. No fair that it's only the US and the Chinese who get to dragnet the world, I want locally sourced fair trade repression. Gotta love this world.
That said, China has a lot of shit going on, but a credit system is not one of them. For example, they are actively trying to tamp down social (and physical) mobility. It's a shit place right now, maybe it always was.
The only country I know that has a credit points system that decides a lot of the opportunities you get in life is the US.
That won't be a problem. America will simply be towed outside the environment.
If only the front would fall off...
I think that one guy with the folder "Memes if Donald Trump wins" is gonna have to bust them out.
Trump is not going to create a better economy. We're gonna go into a recession and he's going to blame it on democrats and COVID restrictions.
He's going to increase immigration, lower wages due to cheap labor, and cause wages to go down. He said this and the retards that live in rural America think he's going to benefit them. He's going to reduce the power of Unions.
It's clown world.
It it bad that I think that's a best case scenario? Things aren't looking good.
We’re going back to child labor in factories and brood mares barefoot and pregnant. Trans and brown folks are going to have a real bad time. I’m a white dude and even I’m afraid of what’s going to happen
Clown country
Yet what they’ll remember is the stock market skyrocketed
As if the world hasn't collectively had its head up it's ass recently...
More than anything I’m depressed by the precedent that this sets for the world on attitude and actions. He literally attacked and abused his way to the top. And a majority of Americans support it. Holy fuck.
This has gotta be fraud, there's just no way America would choose a convicted felon over a woman... right?
I’m sure we could go on, but I just read an article that Trump did better than expected with every demographic except college educated women. How ?
There's no such thing as an undecided voter.
They've either decided, or decided to do something bad and don't want you to judge them.
Yep, we did it. We are Homer Simpson. D’Oh
They've done it before and they'll fucking do it again.
All these young new potential voters! A fresh wave of idiot!
We deserve a nuke.
Just end it all already.
And Ukraine is gonna get that nuke.
0 empathy for americans. You deserve what you get for either not voting or voting the baffoon. Even dems deserve it for stupidly changing the candidate and AGAIN acting like they already won everywhere which makes people think "oh then I dont have to vote"
My desperation is not foremost about sympathy for the US, but for the consequences for international politics.
This is certainly an enormous turning point for America, but it's also a very dark day for the outlook of the future of... well basically everything.
The continuation of our species on this earth are facing problems that are more complex than can be put into a slogan or a headline, and both Trump and his voters are to dumb to understand such matters. And that's not said in hate or anger, it's just an observable, testable fact that they're literally unintelligent.
Yeah its terrible for everyone else. Especially Ukrainians, Taiwanese and Palestinians. Though the last group I feel less empathy for now since they called for not voting either so they are as responsible as Trump supporters.
i dont think swapping biden out was a bad move. i think it could have been someone better though
How about all of us who aren't members of either party and just tried to stop Trump from getting into office? Zero sympathy for us too? Because I had nothing to do with any candidate that the Democrats chose. I just voted for Harris to stop Trump. And failed. But how is it my fault?
Unfortunately my country loves to copy America in everything they do so we will be walking off the cliff soon too
Mine also has fascists getting 20-30% a lot of places. But we have more safeguards
I voted but I will still have to endure four more years of stupid self serving idiot.
I’m most afraid of all the hangers on plotting how best to expand their agenda. At least his first term had the incompetence to prevent some of his worst ideas but that may not be true this time.
My biggest fear is for the environment. Only the EPA and California are allowed to set environmental standards and the rest of us can only pick which to follow. Hopefully my state politicians will remain steadfast, but I have no way of supporting California when they come for the environment. If California can hold and the dozen or so that follow that remain true, maybe there’s still a hope for the environment my kids will live in
you all need to learn to distinguish between the people/the government/the country
Jesus Christ. Locking down this massive shit show.
The world: literally doesn't care