"Your body, my choice," isn't an anti-abortion catchphrase. It's a pro-rape catchphrase.
It's not even a catchphrase. It's a threat
It's a promise.
Just look at pregnant women death rates in red states. Combined with the fact that red states per capita have higher rates of sexual violence towards women.
In red states, rapists get to pick the mother of their child.
With Trump winning, soon this will happen in every state.
Whatever it's intended to be, it's fucking evil. It doesn't matter if they think it's a joke. This is like Nazis basing a joke on the premise "yeah, like I would be awful to Jews!"
"I don't care if you're joking, you're still an asshole."
I'd have to double check, but I'm pretty sure part of what he said that night was something about not needing consent, so yes you're right.
This. And the amount of stories i have heard of middle schoolers using it is disgusting.
I hate this country. And I hope Fuentes gets all the hate he put out right back at him
"Harassment."
Oh, sure, wannabe Nazi, and you'd never do that, right? Harass anyone else?
He can dish it but can't take it. Coward.
He's just like Trump. Talks all kinds of shit then complete bitch when it comes back to him.
"I can excuse rape but I draw the line at harrassment" -Nick Fuentes
I can excuse any amount of harm done to you, but I draw the line at anything that affects me
You can excuse rape?
What sort of behaviors do you think the "your body, my choice" crowd will use it to excuse?
It was a Community reference
Oh, shit! Your name! 'bout fucking time you got here!
How does the fact that he accidentally streamed himself watching gay porn —and then tried to blame, I believe, Hezbollah, if I’m remembering correctly—not come up every single time someone mentions his name? It should be the second half of his introduction, like accolades or a PhD
He also dated a twink catboy. He is a closeted homosexual. Who insists that LGBTQ people are evil. Therefore he is saying he himself is evil. Which he is.
This commentator shows it about a minute or so into the video.
HOLY HELL. 😳
Give them a taste of their own medicine and they shriek that you've poisoned them.
Nah he’s just a high school bully who never matured. A crybaby little boy.
Someone talked with his mother’s friend, saw this on tiktok. Appearantly he was constantly in trouble in school and his sister was the golden child.
Another person called on X owner Elon Musk to intervene, who appears to have begun removing posts showing Fuentes’ address.
The “champion against censorship” is performing censorship. How curious.
I totally did not see that coming
I think after this election we'll have to retire that phrase, as we all see the Nazis coming.
He’s been censoring from as soon as he got twitter.
I'm a British activist. We have been fighting a populous movement called Stop The Boats, which has switched names to Enough is Enough.
Its come out that I and many comrades have had our photos taken at counter demos and have been added to a list that includes names, location and pictures.
Fuck these guys. Fuck anyone thinking doxxing fascists is wrong. They are doing it to us. And 15 years ago with the rise of the EDL my party comrades where victim to attacks on the street seemingly random. Letters saying "we know your address and the next one will explode" sent directly to homes of socialist party members.
FUCK FASCIST.
Where do I find the dox that you leak? I need to know.
I've leaked no dox. I am saying me and other leftist who attend counter demos are being doxxed.
gps tracker and return to sender.
Does "return to sender" work differently where you're at? Here it's based in the return address and if I was sending a frigging bomb I'd refrain from adding a valid sender.
Not to mention, if it has a valid return address, the gps tracker is somewhat redundant...
Now this is the kind of activism I can get behind.
I heard rumors someone burned his house down. No idea if they're true or not.
In my 30 seconds of research I didn't find any verification of that, but I did see a woman is pressing charges for assault on him. According to her she went to his door, rang the doorbell, and he opened the door, pepper sprayed her, then pushed/kicked her down the stairs. Added bonus story portion of the police not wanting to do their jobs.
I totally did not . . . oh wait I just used that one.
No, I would have heard about it. I’m not super far from Berwyn.
I don't know if it still is, but his house was relabeled as "public restroom" on Google Maps for a while after that.
That makes me unreasonably happy. Thanks for sharing!
I think your level of happiness is completely reasonable in this case.
this is HILARIOUS! will be recommending this location to ppl who are in and around Berwyn 😂
Glad to see that the left is finally ready to start rolling up their sleeves and fighting the right on equal terms, using the same weapons they've used on us from the start.
If you make life difficult for these people, they will be less likely to cling to their harmful political viewpoints.
The lefts been doing it, I'm happy to see liberals aren't going to the FBI and police at least in this instance to stop the left like they did from 2016 to current year.
Well they did say "Your body, my choice".
I wonder how they'd react if it was their body and someone else's choice?
Only one way to find out.
I'm not normally an advocate for violence, but calling for a peaceful resolution and compromise with a person who wants to eradicate people from existence is idiotic.
A person calling for violence against others invites violence against himself.
He's always been a joke. But this takes the cake. He's afraid of a 57 year old woman. Sad.
Your house, our choice
I thought this will be another housing crisis article.
For a very limited audience, yes.
hes alright with rhetoric til it comes back on him
Words are realer than gravity now.
I feel dumb to ask, but when someone like this asshole is doxxed. Where can I find the info? I never seem to be able to find those.
I am asking for a friend. I have no interest in actually going to Nick's house and doing anything nefarious. I promise...
I found it wedged into one of those 'look what they're putting in our Halloween candy' memes. It was a snickers bar cut in half and his address in the middle. God I love the internet sometimes.
A fortune cookie meme would also be appropriate in this case.
The people over at /c/antifascism@midwest.social are keeping their relevant post up for now.
I found it easily by Googling his full name (Nicholas J. Fuentes) and "home" and I think also "Zillow?" But it seems like they have since unlisted his house. I knew Google already blurred it but he seems to be locking it down everywhere. I guess that's to be expected but the info is definitely already out there.
I googled it. No dice. Maybe it was there for a brief blip and it was gone. But it is OK.
This guy is trash but I can't get behind doxxing. Maga types will be doing a lot of this over the next 4 years and I certainly won't like it when they're doxxing immigrants and LGBTQ folks.
Be clear: I think this dude is as bad as they come, I'm just not comfortable with popularizing the practice, especially when maga types are fans of setting things on fire / shooting at things they disagree with.
If you think my comment is a defense of nick Fuentes, or that horrible slogan, you're as wrong as is physically possible. I know he's done worse than this, and now is hiding behind elongated. But that still doesn't make it a good thing to popularize.
Nah, doxxing streamers or random people cause you're a no life creep is disgusting.
Doxxing people actively harming society is fine.
The point is they will do it too, and it will have been increasingly normalized. It will not be applied per your definition of "fine". Remember, "they" (read, maga types) think immigrants and others are "harming society".
They already are. This is just self defense.
2 wrongs don't make a right.
"They" also do things like voter intimidation at polling places, burning ballot boxes and similar. I wouldn't say it's ok to do those things, just because right wing fascists are doing it.
There's nothing wrong with ruining the life of a monster like Nick Fuentes. There are consequences to publicly encouraging rape.
Be clear: I want the very worst for him, but I want it to come from a system of justice, not a method that often leads to innocent bystanders being hurt.
Read the room, my guy. America has no system of justice. Most of these abhorrent people are on their way to governmental leadership positions. There's no highroad that leads to winning back the country or justice.
The lack of quality doesn't mean I need to accept "worse". I certainly don't need to cheer for it, even if I personally can't stop it.
Well keep praying to yourself it we’ll get better. Cause it isn’t going to. You have just elected a rapist criminal egomaniac into office. And most of the country doesn’t care.
I never said do nothing. Just don't do things that can accidentally hurt innocent people. I also know I didn't vote for him.
I think maybe the problem here is there is no justice when the system has failed by not confining the worst behaviors of the rich. We have no access to the tools you have mentioned, such as prosecution. Their felonious leader has modeled their path forward by evading any and all consequence. We are the innocent bystanders. They have already normalized harming us and now they will legislate it. We must resist the bystander effect at all cost.
What do you suggest in this scenario?
Thanks for actually discussing things with me, your comment is great. The concerns you list are super super valid.
Let me share my perspective on doxxing in light of your comment: I feel that to accept the normalization of the act of doxxing to be somewhat like the bystander effect. (Please keep reading, I'm not trying to twist your words). If we see doxxing happening, and say "yeah, that's a normal thing you do" it's as if we just keep on walking while the house burns (I think that's what happened in the original event the effect is based on). Edit you can disagree with me, that's ok. I'm just trying to use the example you provided to house the discussion.
Instead I think we should stand up against that even when they do it regularly.
I do not have a full answer for you regarding how we can alternatively take the fight to fascists, my point, which I have been slammed on here is that I fundamentally believe the task should be attempted, to our last moments, without using the tools of the oppressors. But I'm happy to keep noodling on it with you, as you are actually discussing.
"when they go low, we go high"
No thanks, I'm all out of weed. Let's fight them where they are instead.
They are hoping you'll say that
Hard disagree. Look at how he reacted when an old lady showed up at his door. The reason the Nazis are so comfy recently is because of the high road tolerance you're espousing. In a civil society, I'd be agreeing with you, but this isn't a civil society anymore. It's more like The Grey and you're trying to play nice with the wolves. It's them or us, and it isn't us that made it this way.
They won't stand toe to toe. They'll respond in the night like cowards they are.
I am NOT espousing tolerance. Everyone is foolishly assuming I'm saying "don't doxx AND DONT DO ANYTHING ELSE". I'm not. I'm saying doxxing is not the road to success, and is terroristic behavior. There are more effective, more targeted methods available that don't endanger neighbors and mistaken identities (wrong address)
They want you to normalize behavior like this.
Edit if eating downvotes for disagreeing with this community on popularizing poorly targeted, in accurate methods, that can easily be reversed en masse onto at risk people, by enemies who have lots of guns and lots of free time, (and a displayed proclivity for surreptitiously destroying and shooting things up in the night) then I'm fine with it.
Y'all are clearly ready to just fling violence all over without thinking of innocent people who will be caught up. The votes reflect that.
So what’s your course of action. Cry in your pillow? What ever most of the lefts think their actions it obviously is t enough.
Sharing my opinion that I think doxxing is dangerous does not obligate me to provide a solution, but to humor you, I'd focus on looking after your people, sticking together, and organizing. These maga clowns thrive on building "others" they can isolate and abuse.
Bahahahaha false equivalence.
Never said they were equivalent, I'm describing the behavior of the people that I don't want coming to use doxxing as their day to day tool.
Sure but why on earth should that mean we should condemn it universally? It's not like they'd stop if we did.
By popularizing the topic it is normalized. There's also no need to compromise ethical standards.
I want Fuentes charged for the hate crimes and terroristic threats he makes. I am NOT defending him. But I don't want people going into his neighborhood, getting the house wrong and hurting an innocent person, for example. Or maybe he moves and the new owner gets the heat.
Charged for what? The president has said grab them by the pussy? What crimes do you think he we’ll be charged with? There is no reason of law in America.
You are explicitly defending him. And putting in time and effort to do so.
Disagree. I've made my opinion on him quite clear.
My comment history is clearly anti maga anti fuentes.
I'm not interested in normalizing the tools of fascists and or terrorists.
Explicit defense is completely inaccurate. My original comment even said I have no defense for Fuentes, who I believe belongs in jail
Doxxing is wrong because of 2 things:
Bystanders get hurt when mistakes are made
Normalizing such things will put net new, innocent folks at risk.
This is the recent event that has doxxing on my mind, and why I've taken the time here
I agree with you in principle, but it didn't happen in this case and I feel like at this point, what's done is done and you might as well laugh.
Eh… fuck em. Let them fuck around and find out. I’m tired of playing nice guy with these twats.
I understand the desire. But two wrongs don't make a right.
For example, I'm also against the jokes about prison rape. I don't care who you are, you don't deserve to be repeatedly raped because you committed a crime.
Edit the point is that feeling of seeking retribution is natural. You want "bad" people to get the very worst of life. But if for nothing else it's best not to act on those thoughts because we wouldn't want that "retribution" brought upon others or even ourselves.
I'll make a deal with you. I'll be totally ok with it if I start actively harming women by insinuating I own them and you doxx me for that so that women can come tell me how I've harmed them. If I spout white supremacist drivel I want you to punch me until I stop. If I make thinly veiled rape threats I want you to kill me.
Since I want that to happen to me, I can go ahead and do what I want, right?
It's not "you", it's the innocent people about to be doxxed for their immigration status, who are not interested in whatever deal you're comfortable with.
Once the practice becomes politically popularized, the cat is out of the bag.
If you think non-fascists being civil and respectful to fascist is going to give fascists even a fraction of a second of pause before they do shitty things, my only possible conclusion is that you’re painfully naïve and also that you don’t actually understand what fascism is.
Doing their dance moves doesn't make us "good" anymore.
Who is "us"? I'm not here to be a good guy. I'm here to live my life on my terms without interference and help others do the same. Notice that nowhere in that sentence did I say "Make racists comfortable and happy" or "Snuggle up to a smarmy pile of garbage who trolls women".
I'm not a good guy. I'm not a nice guy. I'm not the tolerant left. I'm pissed the fuck off and I'm not above doxxing a stupid cunt obliquely threatening rape or punching a Nazi. You can whisper your mean words about them into your pillow or whatever you think will make them stop and I support your right to do so. But that ain't me.
Us being everyone who is not a maga.
You're cool with leveraging error prone violence that can easily be reversed on to at risk people. Live that best life i guess.
I'm all for taking it to these fascists, just get a better method lmao. Doxxing is shit because it can easily hurts bystanders, and is terroristic.
Everyone here is very ready to be conversationally violent, but there's nothing "tolerant" about not popularizing terroristic methods. It's just having basic respect for other citizens who don't want to be in harms way with no reason.
What if they got Fuentes address wrong and someone got their innocent house burnt down? That's why I don't like it.
If you're ready to take down Nazis, do it correctly. Don't risk randos.
If mother fuckers ain't checking their work that's their own fucking fault. Notice I haven't put that address anywhere because I haven't personally confirmed it. I also didn't participate in the Boston bombing thing on the other site because there was too damn much uncertainty. Not that I owe someone making sure Nick Fuentes is comfortable an explanation.
It's going to get turned on the vulnerable whether I do anything or not. It already has been in several cases without my involvement.
So you keep being the good guy. I'm going to be a shit bag.
Dude I just wanted to close by saying I get where your head's at. I'm there too.
I have a friend who is closeted LGBT and works with kids. They are a completely upstanding person. But they confided in me after trump was elected they are afraid of their address and or status/identity getting to some other adults who said they think all LGBT are pedos. So I have that in my head, my friend is scared. I'm amped up about this (and the Linux dev who got swatted on stream) and I just see destruction that way. I get others don't.
People really don't like my opinion on this but I just can't see doxxing as something I ever contribute to, or offhand accept. But I'm just one dude and no one needs to care about me outside of the up/down votes.
Edit sorry I got spicy in the latter replies, feeling like I'm up against the world for trying to stay sane.
We're on the same side, we just vehemently disagree on methods. They're already using that shit against the people I care about. I've gotten in actual fights with people talking shit about women, LGBT folks, and, in one case where I got locked up, a guy with a speech impediment because someone thought he was the r-word. It's been a while because I tend not to be that violent anymore, but I'm fucking tired. Ain't none of this other shit working.
You know what, I'm sorry too. I know we're on the same side but I came at you in a shitty way. It's something I'm working on, but I'm not in a great place lately. Thank you for coming at me a different way so I could see how shitty I was being. We can disagree on this and still fight for the same things.
Those two scenarios are mutually exclusive.
It's like saying, "Well, you don't want non-violent offenders in prison, so no one should ever go to prison for any reason."
It’s going to happen either way. We can dox their worst or sit back and do nothing. And they’ll still do what they are going to.
Which is why the right always seems to win. They keep at something till they get it.
Sure but taking the high road has done nothing but embolden the right. It’s past time of playing nice.
This is literally what they've been saying for years. It's amazing how much we are like the people we hate the most.
GOP behavior baseline is Dems breaking point behavior. Notable difference.
By justifying it, you're justifying it for them too, as they believe they have the same or similar grievances. Regardless of who you think is more guilty.
They already believe themselves to be justified and have had their consent manufactured over a long time. As evidenced by the fact that they feel righteous in the Jan 6 attempt, and are responsible for most terrorism.
They say the same thing about the BLM protests.
There is no legal or verbal defense against this madness.
Once it spreads, historically, industrial levels of violence are the only way to try to put the genie back in the bottle.
I’d rather small scale intimidation against ringleaders like nick, than having to bomb the fuck out of some redneck stronghold in Missouri in 10 years.
My opinion is clearly unpopular here and I'm ok with it. I don't think it's cool to normalize violence (or threats of violence) even if the recipient is abhorrent. This isnt a "oh let's all have free speech, let's here what maga has to say" / platforming type of comment/opinion I'm sharing. It's a "I'm not going to normalize violence especially because I don't want it turned around on at risk people."
Y'all are free to have your own voice on it, I'm just sharing my view.
The violence of the oppressors is normalized because they can pass laws to enforce it. The only violence you're opposed to is the defense of the oppressed.
No opinion on the matter at hand, I'm just throwing out there that saving a woman's life when she's bleeding out due to lethal complications in her pregnancy is illegal until the last second in many states (let's see how Project 2025 will impact that in the future). Appointing the kind of special counsel that has been perfectly normal and legal since like forever? Illegal the moment he investigates Trump. Doing crimes? Illegal. Doing crimes as president? Immune, according to Trump's Supreme court sock puppets..
What's legal and illegal only depends on how many judges you've bought these days.
PS: Oh and all that brazen bribery shit that would get any other official not just fired, but straight up locked up? Perfectly legal but only if you're a Supreme Court judge. Guess who got to decide that? Go have a cookie if your guess was the very people accepting the bribes.
Untrue. I'm opposed to violence that involves innocent bystanders.
Is Nick Fuentes an innocent bystander?
Not even close
So let’s say nobody dozed this guy. Do you think that is going to stop anything you are afraid of?
One of my fears, aside from popularizing the practice, is mistaken address, and innocent people being hurt. So yeah, it would sure help that 100%.
Regarding the first point, I believe doxxing high profile people does indeed popularize it, so yeah, it would help that too.
You’re not comfortable using a tactic these chucklefucks use aggressively against us?
You’re as bad as DNC leadership, tbh. This “they go low we go high” idiocy got us where we are. Stop bringing a fucking deck of cards to a gunfight.
Do not lean into the paradox of tolerance. Intolerant views must not be tolerated. It’s always a good day to punch (or dox, or harass, or share their extremist views to their employer or…) a Nazi.
I shared my opinion that I'm not into normalizing political violence, even if they are already comfortable with it. I get y'all don't agree.
Hey, don’t get me wrong - I get what you’re saying, and nominally I wholeheartedly agree. I just ALSO feel that there’s a single, very specific exception: when a political movement inherently involves political violence (that is: fascism), this rule absolutely does not apply.
I get the motivation, I'm just sharing my opinion that I can't follow, because I personally believe other innocent folks will be swept up and hurt in the process.
I am no friend of these maga types. I think people here are very angry about these people (edit like Fuentes... Rightfully so!, I am too.) and my comment is perhaps seen as "defending"? Him. I am not. I just don't think this is the way to do it.
Again: I get what you’re saying. And again: I do nominally agree.
What I’m saying is that you’re looking at the trumpians/maga/proud boys/3%ers as “weird republicans”. They’re not. You need to be looking at them as NSDAP/Nazis/Sturmabteilung. Because that’s what they are. And the want to kill a whole fucking lot of us, because it gives them a hard-on.
Moreover, I’m not saying that we should be conducting overt, systemic political violence now, but I AM saying that we need to be fully prepared for that eventuality. And to that end, we should be looking to the Maquis, as well as the Polish + German resistance throughout WW2.
We are aligned on what they are.
I see resistance against their ways as clinging to, and calling for maintaining norms (when norms are ethical, reasonable... I fully acknowledge even without maga MUCH needs to be improved in America). It is my belief that by normalizing their tools, we institutionalize their methods. We, by participation, make common what should be extraordinary.
It is my opinion that resisting fascist drift is resisting. Others don't see it this way and are claiming I'm an apologist or something. That's too bad cause fuck nick Fuentes. I just don't like doxxing.
I used to think like you. Until last week.
That's cool, I'm learning a lot of folks here are at least conversationally cool with political violence. I get the urge, it's just not my path. I don't see doxxing as defending people, I see it as inherently terroristic because bystanders could be harmed, mistakes can be made, and it can be leveraged against at risk poeple. So I stand against it. I'll be in my seat calling for peace, and looking after my community, even if it's unpopular here. I see that as defending.
Have a good one
We have a right to defend ourselves including preemptively.
Do you disagree?
If so you're accomplishing the same thing in the long run as the Nazis.
How does that feel to be basically siding with the bad guys because of your apathy?
Completely agree, I just don't think doxxing is defense. Doxxing is akin to swatting and reddit boston bomber chasing. Bystanders are at risk and mistakes happen. It's for those reasons I find doxxing unacceptable.
Please do not imply I'm apathetic, there's no evidence for that. I'm not siding with anyone, I'm saying doxxing is not acceptable behavior by anyone, because of the risks.
Edit I don't approve of when things like jurors on trump cases, or election officials are doxxed either, if you have some implication that I differentiate on who should be doxxed or something...
I understand your opinion but your also the person they well just let someone take over the country then be like oh how did this happen.
Untrue. I never said do nothing, I am saying don't do things that can hurt bystanders or popularize hiding at risk folks
Maga types will be doing a lot of this over the next 4 years and I certainly won’t like it when they’re doxxing immigrants and LGBTQ folks.
They'll do it regardless of if it's done to this dipshit or not.
Someone shits on the floor. Should we?
They've shown time and time again they latch into media trends like the garbage outfit, the ear bandaid, the election official suspicion. If doxxing becomes more widespread, net new people will be harmed
Indeed he is a dip shit
If someone shoots a gun at you, do you shoot back?
They latch on to manufactured garbage anyway, there is no amount of ammunition we can avoid giving them.
They sent out thousands of texts to young black Americans in more than 10 states telling them they are 'due to the plantations at X date 9 AM sharp', they are already doxxing and worse.
Yes, I don't throw a bomb at them.
My core point is 2 part:
doxxing is error prone, and can hurt bystanders.
Popularizing such behavior will only make whatever rate of perceived maga behavior / doxxing worse.
the only way these idiots will support anti doxxing laws are if they are doxxed. Its how you build a consensus.
I mean just the other day some folks were talking about his catty posts about the twilight movies. Trump is in some way relatable because he most the faults of everyone I've ever met.
Look at the plane thing. Because rich people wher effected they can now block that info.
You sound like the type of guy to tell someone who is being shot at that they shouldn't shoot back because "two wrongs don't make a right". This guy should be glad he's just being doxxed, my grandpa's generation had no problem sending Sherman tanks with flamethrowers on them after people like him.
Armchair general comment.
They never happened in an American neighborhood and you know it.
Attacking Nazis in an active warzone is not the same as sending people to a random neighborhood with little proof of your event at the right house.
As I said in the comment, Nick Fuentes is trash, but so is doxxing. Innocent people get hurt when people doxx.
I never said don't defend yourself or even take the fight to people like him. Just don't do things that will get innocent people hurt.
But whatever y'all just want to act tough and not care about consequences
Edit saying doxxing is the right tool is like saying "if you're shot at, leave a bomb in a public place where you think your enemy goes"
Doxxing can be done correctly, and in this case it was. The guy literally opened the door and pepper sprayed someone, he clearly lives there. I agree it's important to target it correctly, and I too dislike when people erroneously target the wrong people with it (Boston Bomber Reddit Moment comes to mind).
Any other tool can be poorly used as well, people shouldn't stop concealed carrying because some other people hit innocent bystanders in the past with theirs. They should train and use force responsibly. Writing off an entire method of dealing with fascists because some morons have used it irresponsibly in the past is a reductive and silly take.
It's inherently risky because online data can be stale. It's inherently terroristic because you are essentially saying "hey anyone, go do anything in a normal neighborhood, your enemy is there". What if there's a shootout of Fuentes front yard and a bystander is killed? That's net positive violence for the community that wouldn't have happened otherwise.
As you said, reddit Boston bomber. That's another alternative if online sleuthing goes wrong.
Back to my original point: doxxing high profile maga types will popularize the activity, and once they latch on in response they will do it with zero care or caution. You may say they are doing it already, I'm saying once it's plastered across their nrws feeds they will do it a whole lot more.
That's MORE net new innocent people put in harms way.
There are effective and existing ways to carry out whatever violence or vengeance or self defence. Doxxing isn't one of them. Being trained in concealed carry and using a gun is not alike doxxing. Doxxing is like a bomb.
Being armed is fine. Looking after your people is great. Not taking any shit is great. If you feel you need to confront people, do it with a level of accuracy.
I guess we just disagree on what doxxing is. When done correctly it's just someone's specific address or other info being posted publicly, it doesn't have to be associated with a call to violence it's more likely that people just stand outside his house with signs. It's also not targeted at a whole neighborhood. I can see why you're concerned that MAGA types won't be as careful with it, but they can be charged with crimes if they take it too far just like anyone else. Simply knowing where someone lives isn't a crime.
Imo when you doxx someone, it's implied that you are directing people to go to their house and at minimum, confront them. I totally get the urge to do that with this person. He's harmed a lot of people with his rhetoric. But even if accurate address, a confrontation can lead to violence when an angry person confronts a hateful person, on their property. I understand your point about protests on their street, but I still believe that will create potential for violence. I am not saying protest is wrong. Protest is great.
If it's something than a protest or a confrontation, then we are talking about what? Sending dogshit in the mail at the low end, or throwing a Molotov cocktail or similar at the high end. Then my concerns about accuracy are relevant. What if the address is wrong and a random family is the victim?
Also, firebombing is not the society I want to live in, even if Fuentes as trash.
Everyone is so ready to assume I'm an apologist for Fuentes, or a misogynist telling women to just shut up. That's not it at all, but people here are some ready for violence and so ready to be mad that what was formally a pretty popular sentiment (doxxing and swatting is bad) is now apparently different because the target is a bad dude. I fundamentally believe society is worse if we compromise our behavior because the target is a specific person. I also think the blowback of stooping to that level will result in increased harm of people who are already having a real tough go of things. What some are calling cowardice on my part is, in my opinion, harm reduction for people who need it most, and a call for sanity.
"Your body, my choice," isn't an anti-abortion catchphrase. It's a pro-rape catchphrase.
It's not even a catchphrase. It's a threat
It's a promise.
Just look at pregnant women death rates in red states. Combined with the fact that red states per capita have higher rates of sexual violence towards women.
In red states, rapists get to pick the mother of their child.
With Trump winning, soon this will happen in every state.
Whatever it's intended to be, it's fucking evil. It doesn't matter if they think it's a joke. This is like Nazis basing a joke on the premise "yeah, like I would be awful to Jews!"
"I don't care if you're joking, you're still an asshole."
I'd have to double check, but I'm pretty sure part of what he said that night was something about not needing consent, so yes you're right.
This. And the amount of stories i have heard of middle schoolers using it is disgusting.
I hate this country. And I hope Fuentes gets all the hate he put out right back at him
"Harassment."
Oh, sure, wannabe Nazi, and you'd never do that, right? Harass anyone else?
He can dish it but can't take it. Coward.
He's just like Trump. Talks all kinds of shit then complete bitch when it comes back to him.
"I can excuse rape but I draw the line at harrassment" -Nick Fuentes
I can excuse any amount of harm done to you, but I draw the line at anything that affects me
You can excuse rape?
What sort of behaviors do you think the "your body, my choice" crowd will use it to excuse?
It was a Community reference
Oh, shit! Your name! 'bout fucking time you got here!
How does the fact that he accidentally streamed himself watching gay porn —and then tried to blame, I believe, Hezbollah, if I’m remembering correctly—not come up every single time someone mentions his name? It should be the second half of his introduction, like accolades or a PhD
He also dated a twink catboy. He is a closeted homosexual. Who insists that LGBTQ people are evil. Therefore he is saying he himself is evil. Which he is.
Anyone have a clip?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRBh6dKXxog&t=200s
This commentator shows it about a minute or so into the video.
HOLY HELL. 😳
Give them a taste of their own medicine and they shriek that you've poisoned them.
Nah he’s just a high school bully who never matured. A crybaby little boy.
Someone talked with his mother’s friend, saw this on tiktok. Appearantly he was constantly in trouble in school and his sister was the golden child.
The “champion against censorship” is performing censorship. How curious.
I totally did not see that coming
I think after this election we'll have to retire that phrase, as we all see the Nazis coming.
He’s been censoring from as soon as he got twitter.
I'm a British activist. We have been fighting a populous movement called Stop The Boats, which has switched names to Enough is Enough.
Its come out that I and many comrades have had our photos taken at counter demos and have been added to a list that includes names, location and pictures.
Fuck these guys. Fuck anyone thinking doxxing fascists is wrong. They are doing it to us. And 15 years ago with the rise of the EDL my party comrades where victim to attacks on the street seemingly random. Letters saying "we know your address and the next one will explode" sent directly to homes of socialist party members.
FUCK FASCIST.
Where do I find the dox that you leak? I need to know.
I've leaked no dox. I am saying me and other leftist who attend counter demos are being doxxed.
gps tracker and return to sender.
Does "return to sender" work differently where you're at? Here it's based in the return address and if I was sending a frigging bomb I'd refrain from adding a valid sender.
Not to mention, if it has a valid return address, the gps tracker is somewhat redundant...
Now this is the kind of activism I can get behind.
I heard rumors someone burned his house down. No idea if they're true or not.
In my 30 seconds of research I didn't find any verification of that, but I did see a woman is pressing charges for assault on him. According to her she went to his door, rang the doorbell, and he opened the door, pepper sprayed her, then pushed/kicked her down the stairs. Added bonus story portion of the police not wanting to do their jobs.
I totally did not . . . oh wait I just used that one.
Ummm . . . Reminds me of that 1981 Genesis album.
No, I would have heard about it. I’m not super far from Berwyn.
I don't know if it still is, but his house was relabeled as "public restroom" on Google Maps for a while after that.
That makes me unreasonably happy. Thanks for sharing!
I think your level of happiness is completely reasonable in this case.
this is HILARIOUS! will be recommending this location to ppl who are in and around Berwyn 😂
Glad to see that the left is finally ready to start rolling up their sleeves and fighting the right on equal terms, using the same weapons they've used on us from the start.
If you make life difficult for these people, they will be less likely to cling to their harmful political viewpoints.
The lefts been doing it, I'm happy to see liberals aren't going to the FBI and police at least in this instance to stop the left like they did from 2016 to current year.
Nothing he can do if it’s posted here🤡
Well more like "Your parents house"
He lives in the closet
Why? Did he not get his letter for Hogwarts?
Fuck Nazis.
Just not literally!
Well they did say "Your body, my choice". I wonder how they'd react if it was their body and someone else's choice?
Only one way to find out.
I'm not normally an advocate for violence, but calling for a peaceful resolution and compromise with a person who wants to eradicate people from existence is idiotic.
A person calling for violence against others invites violence against himself.
His body, my pineapple choice
He's always been a joke. But this takes the cake. He's afraid of a 57 year old woman. Sad.
I thought this will be another housing crisis article.
For a very limited audience, yes.
hes alright with rhetoric til it comes back on him
Words are realer than gravity now.
I feel dumb to ask, but when someone like this asshole is doxxed. Where can I find the info? I never seem to be able to find those.
I am asking for a friend. I have no interest in actually going to Nick's house and doing anything nefarious. I promise...
I found it wedged into one of those 'look what they're putting in our Halloween candy' memes. It was a snickers bar cut in half and his address in the middle. God I love the internet sometimes.
A fortune cookie meme would also be appropriate in this case.
The people over at /c/antifascism@midwest.social are keeping their relevant post up for now.
I found it easily by Googling his full name (Nicholas J. Fuentes) and "home" and I think also "Zillow?" But it seems like they have since unlisted his house. I knew Google already blurred it but he seems to be locking it down everywhere. I guess that's to be expected but the info is definitely already out there.
I googled it. No dice. Maybe it was there for a brief blip and it was gone. But it is OK.
I saved the image from Lemmy
Now it's in your dms because I assume if I repost it some nazi will report.
I'm not sure but I'm sure someone can help.
So anyway when you stop by, let him know that Jonathan Gregg wants to box. 10,000 dollar charity match.
Im going to just leave this here
Wikipedia: Suffragette bombing and arson campaign
This guy is trash but I can't get behind doxxing. Maga types will be doing a lot of this over the next 4 years and I certainly won't like it when they're doxxing immigrants and LGBTQ folks.
Be clear: I think this dude is as bad as they come, I'm just not comfortable with popularizing the practice, especially when maga types are fans of setting things on fire / shooting at things they disagree with.
If you think my comment is a defense of nick Fuentes, or that horrible slogan, you're as wrong as is physically possible. I know he's done worse than this, and now is hiding behind elongated. But that still doesn't make it a good thing to popularize.
Nah, doxxing streamers or random people cause you're a no life creep is disgusting.
Doxxing people actively harming society is fine.
The point is they will do it too, and it will have been increasingly normalized. It will not be applied per your definition of "fine". Remember, "they" (read, maga types) think immigrants and others are "harming society".
They already are. This is just self defense.
2 wrongs don't make a right.
"They" also do things like voter intimidation at polling places, burning ballot boxes and similar. I wouldn't say it's ok to do those things, just because right wing fascists are doing it.
There's nothing wrong with ruining the life of a monster like Nick Fuentes. There are consequences to publicly encouraging rape.
Be clear: I want the very worst for him, but I want it to come from a system of justice, not a method that often leads to innocent bystanders being hurt.
Read the room, my guy. America has no system of justice. Most of these abhorrent people are on their way to governmental leadership positions. There's no highroad that leads to winning back the country or justice.
The lack of quality doesn't mean I need to accept "worse". I certainly don't need to cheer for it, even if I personally can't stop it.
Well keep praying to yourself it we’ll get better. Cause it isn’t going to. You have just elected a rapist criminal egomaniac into office. And most of the country doesn’t care.
I never said do nothing. Just don't do things that can accidentally hurt innocent people. I also know I didn't vote for him.
I think maybe the problem here is there is no justice when the system has failed by not confining the worst behaviors of the rich. We have no access to the tools you have mentioned, such as prosecution. Their felonious leader has modeled their path forward by evading any and all consequence. We are the innocent bystanders. They have already normalized harming us and now they will legislate it. We must resist the bystander effect at all cost.
What do you suggest in this scenario?
Thanks for actually discussing things with me, your comment is great. The concerns you list are super super valid.
Let me share my perspective on doxxing in light of your comment: I feel that to accept the normalization of the act of doxxing to be somewhat like the bystander effect. (Please keep reading, I'm not trying to twist your words). If we see doxxing happening, and say "yeah, that's a normal thing you do" it's as if we just keep on walking while the house burns (I think that's what happened in the original event the effect is based on). Edit you can disagree with me, that's ok. I'm just trying to use the example you provided to house the discussion.
Instead I think we should stand up against that even when they do it regularly.
I do not have a full answer for you regarding how we can alternatively take the fight to fascists, my point, which I have been slammed on here is that I fundamentally believe the task should be attempted, to our last moments, without using the tools of the oppressors. But I'm happy to keep noodling on it with you, as you are actually discussing.
"when they go low, we go high"
No thanks, I'm all out of weed. Let's fight them where they are instead.
They are hoping you'll say that
Hard disagree. Look at how he reacted when an old lady showed up at his door. The reason the Nazis are so comfy recently is because of the high road tolerance you're espousing. In a civil society, I'd be agreeing with you, but this isn't a civil society anymore. It's more like The Grey and you're trying to play nice with the wolves. It's them or us, and it isn't us that made it this way.
They won't stand toe to toe. They'll respond in the night like cowards they are.
I am NOT espousing tolerance. Everyone is foolishly assuming I'm saying "don't doxx AND DONT DO ANYTHING ELSE". I'm not. I'm saying doxxing is not the road to success, and is terroristic behavior. There are more effective, more targeted methods available that don't endanger neighbors and mistaken identities (wrong address)
They want you to normalize behavior like this.
Edit if eating downvotes for disagreeing with this community on popularizing poorly targeted, in accurate methods, that can easily be reversed en masse onto at risk people, by enemies who have lots of guns and lots of free time, (and a displayed proclivity for surreptitiously destroying and shooting things up in the night) then I'm fine with it.
Y'all are clearly ready to just fling violence all over without thinking of innocent people who will be caught up. The votes reflect that.
So what’s your course of action. Cry in your pillow? What ever most of the lefts think their actions it obviously is t enough.
Sharing my opinion that I think doxxing is dangerous does not obligate me to provide a solution, but to humor you, I'd focus on looking after your people, sticking together, and organizing. These maga clowns thrive on building "others" they can isolate and abuse.
Bahahahaha false equivalence.
Never said they were equivalent, I'm describing the behavior of the people that I don't want coming to use doxxing as their day to day tool.
Sure but why on earth should that mean we should condemn it universally? It's not like they'd stop if we did.
By popularizing the topic it is normalized. There's also no need to compromise ethical standards.
I want Fuentes charged for the hate crimes and terroristic threats he makes. I am NOT defending him. But I don't want people going into his neighborhood, getting the house wrong and hurting an innocent person, for example. Or maybe he moves and the new owner gets the heat.
Charged for what? The president has said grab them by the pussy? What crimes do you think he we’ll be charged with? There is no reason of law in America.
You are explicitly defending him. And putting in time and effort to do so.
Disagree. I've made my opinion on him quite clear.
My comment history is clearly anti maga anti fuentes.
I'm not interested in normalizing the tools of fascists and or terrorists.
Explicit defense is completely inaccurate. My original comment even said I have no defense for Fuentes, who I believe belongs in jail
Doxxing is wrong because of 2 things:
Bystanders get hurt when mistakes are made
Normalizing such things will put net new, innocent folks at risk.
This is the recent event that has doxxing on my mind, and why I've taken the time here
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41532098
I agree with you in principle, but it didn't happen in this case and I feel like at this point, what's done is done and you might as well laugh.
Eh… fuck em. Let them fuck around and find out. I’m tired of playing nice guy with these twats.
I understand the desire. But two wrongs don't make a right.
For example, I'm also against the jokes about prison rape. I don't care who you are, you don't deserve to be repeatedly raped because you committed a crime.
Edit the point is that feeling of seeking retribution is natural. You want "bad" people to get the very worst of life. But if for nothing else it's best not to act on those thoughts because we wouldn't want that "retribution" brought upon others or even ourselves.
I'll make a deal with you. I'll be totally ok with it if I start actively harming women by insinuating I own them and you doxx me for that so that women can come tell me how I've harmed them. If I spout white supremacist drivel I want you to punch me until I stop. If I make thinly veiled rape threats I want you to kill me.
Since I want that to happen to me, I can go ahead and do what I want, right?
It's not "you", it's the innocent people about to be doxxed for their immigration status, who are not interested in whatever deal you're comfortable with.
Once the practice becomes politically popularized, the cat is out of the bag.
If you think non-fascists being civil and respectful to fascist is going to give fascists even a fraction of a second of pause before they do shitty things, my only possible conclusion is that you’re painfully naïve and also that you don’t actually understand what fascism is.
Doing their dance moves doesn't make us "good" anymore.
Who is "us"? I'm not here to be a good guy. I'm here to live my life on my terms without interference and help others do the same. Notice that nowhere in that sentence did I say "Make racists comfortable and happy" or "Snuggle up to a smarmy pile of garbage who trolls women".
I'm not a good guy. I'm not a nice guy. I'm not the tolerant left. I'm pissed the fuck off and I'm not above doxxing a stupid cunt obliquely threatening rape or punching a Nazi. You can whisper your mean words about them into your pillow or whatever you think will make them stop and I support your right to do so. But that ain't me.
Us being everyone who is not a maga.
You're cool with leveraging error prone violence that can easily be reversed on to at risk people. Live that best life i guess.
I'm all for taking it to these fascists, just get a better method lmao. Doxxing is shit because it can easily hurts bystanders, and is terroristic.
Everyone here is very ready to be conversationally violent, but there's nothing "tolerant" about not popularizing terroristic methods. It's just having basic respect for other citizens who don't want to be in harms way with no reason.
What if they got Fuentes address wrong and someone got their innocent house burnt down? That's why I don't like it.
If you're ready to take down Nazis, do it correctly. Don't risk randos.
If mother fuckers ain't checking their work that's their own fucking fault. Notice I haven't put that address anywhere because I haven't personally confirmed it. I also didn't participate in the Boston bombing thing on the other site because there was too damn much uncertainty. Not that I owe someone making sure Nick Fuentes is comfortable an explanation.
It's going to get turned on the vulnerable whether I do anything or not. It already has been in several cases without my involvement.
So you keep being the good guy. I'm going to be a shit bag.
Dude I just wanted to close by saying I get where your head's at. I'm there too.
I have a friend who is closeted LGBT and works with kids. They are a completely upstanding person. But they confided in me after trump was elected they are afraid of their address and or status/identity getting to some other adults who said they think all LGBT are pedos. So I have that in my head, my friend is scared. I'm amped up about this (and the Linux dev who got swatted on stream) and I just see destruction that way. I get others don't.
People really don't like my opinion on this but I just can't see doxxing as something I ever contribute to, or offhand accept. But I'm just one dude and no one needs to care about me outside of the up/down votes.
Edit sorry I got spicy in the latter replies, feeling like I'm up against the world for trying to stay sane.
We're on the same side, we just vehemently disagree on methods. They're already using that shit against the people I care about. I've gotten in actual fights with people talking shit about women, LGBT folks, and, in one case where I got locked up, a guy with a speech impediment because someone thought he was the r-word. It's been a while because I tend not to be that violent anymore, but I'm fucking tired. Ain't none of this other shit working.
You know what, I'm sorry too. I know we're on the same side but I came at you in a shitty way. It's something I'm working on, but I'm not in a great place lately. Thank you for coming at me a different way so I could see how shitty I was being. We can disagree on this and still fight for the same things.
Those two scenarios are mutually exclusive.
It's like saying, "Well, you don't want non-violent offenders in prison, so no one should ever go to prison for any reason."
It’s going to happen either way. We can dox their worst or sit back and do nothing. And they’ll still do what they are going to. Which is why the right always seems to win. They keep at something till they get it.
Sure but taking the high road has done nothing but embolden the right. It’s past time of playing nice.
This is literally what they've been saying for years. It's amazing how much we are like the people we hate the most.
GOP behavior baseline is Dems breaking point behavior. Notable difference.
By justifying it, you're justifying it for them too, as they believe they have the same or similar grievances. Regardless of who you think is more guilty.
They already believe themselves to be justified and have had their consent manufactured over a long time. As evidenced by the fact that they feel righteous in the Jan 6 attempt, and are responsible for most terrorism.
They say the same thing about the BLM protests.
There is no legal or verbal defense against this madness.
Once it spreads, historically, industrial levels of violence are the only way to try to put the genie back in the bottle.
I’d rather small scale intimidation against ringleaders like nick, than having to bomb the fuck out of some redneck stronghold in Missouri in 10 years.
My opinion is clearly unpopular here and I'm ok with it. I don't think it's cool to normalize violence (or threats of violence) even if the recipient is abhorrent. This isnt a "oh let's all have free speech, let's here what maga has to say" / platforming type of comment/opinion I'm sharing. It's a "I'm not going to normalize violence especially because I don't want it turned around on at risk people."
Y'all are free to have your own voice on it, I'm just sharing my view.
The violence of the oppressors is normalized because they can pass laws to enforce it. The only violence you're opposed to is the defense of the oppressed.
No opinion on the matter at hand, I'm just throwing out there that saving a woman's life when she's bleeding out due to lethal complications in her pregnancy is illegal until the last second in many states (let's see how Project 2025 will impact that in the future). Appointing the kind of special counsel that has been perfectly normal and legal since like forever? Illegal the moment he investigates Trump. Doing crimes? Illegal. Doing crimes as president? Immune, according to Trump's Supreme court sock puppets..
What's legal and illegal only depends on how many judges you've bought these days.
PS: Oh and all that brazen bribery shit that would get any other official not just fired, but straight up locked up? Perfectly legal but only if you're a Supreme Court judge. Guess who got to decide that? Go have a cookie if your guess was the very people accepting the bribes.
Untrue. I'm opposed to violence that involves innocent bystanders.
Is Nick Fuentes an innocent bystander?
Not even close
So let’s say nobody dozed this guy. Do you think that is going to stop anything you are afraid of?
One of my fears, aside from popularizing the practice, is mistaken address, and innocent people being hurt. So yeah, it would sure help that 100%.
Regarding the first point, I believe doxxing high profile people does indeed popularize it, so yeah, it would help that too.
You’re not comfortable using a tactic these chucklefucks use aggressively against us?
You’re as bad as DNC leadership, tbh. This “they go low we go high” idiocy got us where we are. Stop bringing a fucking deck of cards to a gunfight.
Do not lean into the paradox of tolerance. Intolerant views must not be tolerated. It’s always a good day to punch (or dox, or harass, or share their extremist views to their employer or…) a Nazi.
I shared my opinion that I'm not into normalizing political violence, even if they are already comfortable with it. I get y'all don't agree.
Hey, don’t get me wrong - I get what you’re saying, and nominally I wholeheartedly agree. I just ALSO feel that there’s a single, very specific exception: when a political movement inherently involves political violence (that is: fascism), this rule absolutely does not apply.
I get the motivation, I'm just sharing my opinion that I can't follow, because I personally believe other innocent folks will be swept up and hurt in the process.
I am no friend of these maga types. I think people here are very angry about these people (edit like Fuentes... Rightfully so!, I am too.) and my comment is perhaps seen as "defending"? Him. I am not. I just don't think this is the way to do it.
Again: I get what you’re saying. And again: I do nominally agree.
What I’m saying is that you’re looking at the trumpians/maga/proud boys/3%ers as “weird republicans”. They’re not. You need to be looking at them as NSDAP/Nazis/Sturmabteilung. Because that’s what they are. And the want to kill a whole fucking lot of us, because it gives them a hard-on.
Moreover, I’m not saying that we should be conducting overt, systemic political violence now, but I AM saying that we need to be fully prepared for that eventuality. And to that end, we should be looking to the Maquis, as well as the Polish + German resistance throughout WW2.
We are aligned on what they are.
I see resistance against their ways as clinging to, and calling for maintaining norms (when norms are ethical, reasonable... I fully acknowledge even without maga MUCH needs to be improved in America). It is my belief that by normalizing their tools, we institutionalize their methods. We, by participation, make common what should be extraordinary.
It is my opinion that resisting fascist drift is resisting. Others don't see it this way and are claiming I'm an apologist or something. That's too bad cause fuck nick Fuentes. I just don't like doxxing.
I used to think like you. Until last week.
That's cool, I'm learning a lot of folks here are at least conversationally cool with political violence. I get the urge, it's just not my path. I don't see doxxing as defending people, I see it as inherently terroristic because bystanders could be harmed, mistakes can be made, and it can be leveraged against at risk poeple. So I stand against it. I'll be in my seat calling for peace, and looking after my community, even if it's unpopular here. I see that as defending.
Have a good one
We have a right to defend ourselves including preemptively. Do you disagree?
If so you're accomplishing the same thing in the long run as the Nazis. How does that feel to be basically siding with the bad guys because of your apathy?
Completely agree, I just don't think doxxing is defense. Doxxing is akin to swatting and reddit boston bomber chasing. Bystanders are at risk and mistakes happen. It's for those reasons I find doxxing unacceptable.
Please do not imply I'm apathetic, there's no evidence for that. I'm not siding with anyone, I'm saying doxxing is not acceptable behavior by anyone, because of the risks.
Edit I don't approve of when things like jurors on trump cases, or election officials are doxxed either, if you have some implication that I differentiate on who should be doxxed or something...
I understand your opinion but your also the person they well just let someone take over the country then be like oh how did this happen.
Untrue. I never said do nothing, I am saying don't do things that can hurt bystanders or popularize hiding at risk folks
They'll do it regardless of if it's done to this dipshit or not.
Yes, I don't throw a bomb at them.
My core point is 2 part:
the only way these idiots will support anti doxxing laws are if they are doxxed. Its how you build a consensus.
I mean just the other day some folks were talking about his catty posts about the twilight movies. Trump is in some way relatable because he most the faults of everyone I've ever met.
Look at the plane thing. Because rich people wher effected they can now block that info.
You sound like the type of guy to tell someone who is being shot at that they shouldn't shoot back because "two wrongs don't make a right". This guy should be glad he's just being doxxed, my grandpa's generation had no problem sending Sherman tanks with flamethrowers on them after people like him.
Armchair general comment.
They never happened in an American neighborhood and you know it.
Attacking Nazis in an active warzone is not the same as sending people to a random neighborhood with little proof of your event at the right house.
As I said in the comment, Nick Fuentes is trash, but so is doxxing. Innocent people get hurt when people doxx.
I never said don't defend yourself or even take the fight to people like him. Just don't do things that will get innocent people hurt.
But whatever y'all just want to act tough and not care about consequences
Edit saying doxxing is the right tool is like saying "if you're shot at, leave a bomb in a public place where you think your enemy goes"
Doxxing can be done correctly, and in this case it was. The guy literally opened the door and pepper sprayed someone, he clearly lives there. I agree it's important to target it correctly, and I too dislike when people erroneously target the wrong people with it (Boston Bomber Reddit Moment comes to mind).
Any other tool can be poorly used as well, people shouldn't stop concealed carrying because some other people hit innocent bystanders in the past with theirs. They should train and use force responsibly. Writing off an entire method of dealing with fascists because some morons have used it irresponsibly in the past is a reductive and silly take.
It's inherently risky because online data can be stale. It's inherently terroristic because you are essentially saying "hey anyone, go do anything in a normal neighborhood, your enemy is there". What if there's a shootout of Fuentes front yard and a bystander is killed? That's net positive violence for the community that wouldn't have happened otherwise.
As you said, reddit Boston bomber. That's another alternative if online sleuthing goes wrong.
Back to my original point: doxxing high profile maga types will popularize the activity, and once they latch on in response they will do it with zero care or caution. You may say they are doing it already, I'm saying once it's plastered across their nrws feeds they will do it a whole lot more.
That's MORE net new innocent people put in harms way.
There are effective and existing ways to carry out whatever violence or vengeance or self defence. Doxxing isn't one of them. Being trained in concealed carry and using a gun is not alike doxxing. Doxxing is like a bomb.
Being armed is fine. Looking after your people is great. Not taking any shit is great. If you feel you need to confront people, do it with a level of accuracy.
I guess we just disagree on what doxxing is. When done correctly it's just someone's specific address or other info being posted publicly, it doesn't have to be associated with a call to violence it's more likely that people just stand outside his house with signs. It's also not targeted at a whole neighborhood. I can see why you're concerned that MAGA types won't be as careful with it, but they can be charged with crimes if they take it too far just like anyone else. Simply knowing where someone lives isn't a crime.
Imo when you doxx someone, it's implied that you are directing people to go to their house and at minimum, confront them. I totally get the urge to do that with this person. He's harmed a lot of people with his rhetoric. But even if accurate address, a confrontation can lead to violence when an angry person confronts a hateful person, on their property. I understand your point about protests on their street, but I still believe that will create potential for violence. I am not saying protest is wrong. Protest is great.
If it's something than a protest or a confrontation, then we are talking about what? Sending dogshit in the mail at the low end, or throwing a Molotov cocktail or similar at the high end. Then my concerns about accuracy are relevant. What if the address is wrong and a random family is the victim?
Also, firebombing is not the society I want to live in, even if Fuentes as trash.
Everyone is so ready to assume I'm an apologist for Fuentes, or a misogynist telling women to just shut up. That's not it at all, but people here are some ready for violence and so ready to be mad that what was formally a pretty popular sentiment (doxxing and swatting is bad) is now apparently different because the target is a bad dude. I fundamentally believe society is worse if we compromise our behavior because the target is a specific person. I also think the blowback of stooping to that level will result in increased harm of people who are already having a real tough go of things. What some are calling cowardice on my part is, in my opinion, harm reduction for people who need it most, and a call for sanity.