Funny but English as a Lingua Franca is a thing. English has become a widely understood international language so its not just used to talk to native English speakers but also as a common language between non-native speakers.
English as a Lingua Franca
I bet frenchies are so salty about it
Italians (Latin) and Greeks were salty before them. And the Anglo-Saxons will be salty when Chinese, Indian or an African language becomes the new lingua franca. That's
That's what? Talk about a cliff hanger! 😳
Why would the lingua franca change again? No type of Chinese, Indian, nor any African language has even remotely the same spread as English does. I'd wager some proficiency in English exist in a sizeable part of the population in almost every country on earth, same can't be said for most other languages (if any).
If history is anything to go by, the English speaking world runs into some trouble. Nothing much new comes out in English while somebody else becomes dominant in research and publishes in their language. That's getting picked up in academia and politics and if anyone wants to be up to date, they learn that language. The other language now starts to distribute their movies exposing more people who pick up that language and spreading from there.
Sure, that can take a few generations. It's not like everybody just decided to switch right now
The thing is, we can't exactly go by history since we've never been as interconnected as we are now. Intercontinental travel could potentially be seen as "just" a huge step up in transportation compared to the past but the internet has fundamentally changed how we communicate. When it comes to technology and science, English is the de facto standard and it's gonna take something pretty huge to disrupt that.
Disruptions are in the near future. Energy systems are changing, climate change is going to wreck things, wannabe dictators starting wars and others. Usually one of those isn't a problem but a lot of those at the same time wrecked past civilizations. But you can't predict how it'll all turn out.
Yes, but the prerequisite is kind of that they will wreck the west (which is the main region keeping English as the lingua franca) but not the other regions when the west is likely going to be less impacted by a lot of issues than other parts of the world, for example just due to geography.
Never in history though has there already been a language this dominant across the world, has there? I look at it this way, two things need to happen for a new language to become dominant -- there needs to be both an impetus and a strong candidate.
I'm not entirely sure what impetus there would be. What we've had so far is everyone else using the language. What would cause that to happen? You'd need a sizable number of people who simultaneously have global influence and don't typically use English. Right now one precludes the other. It's why there isn't a strong candidate either -- the language would need to have widespread use and honestly be the preferred language in some fields globally.
I can think of two possible candidates, but it's still a stretch. Latin is probably the most widely used, but no one uses it conversationally. Japanese goes along with your comment about movies -- the anime industry has been successful on a global level to the point that people prefer to listen to it in Japanese even if they don't understand it.
I think that's the bellwether we need to look for. Whatever the successor language is, it will need to be adopted by people who don't understand it but still prefer it. It faces the challenge of supplanting the dominant language for the entire globe, not just a region of the world.
The term lingua franca derives from Mediterranean Lingua Franca (also known as Sabir), the pidgin language that people around the Levant and the eastern Mediterranean Sea used as the main language of commerce and diplomacy from late medieval times to the 18th century, most notably during the Renaissance era. During that period, a simplified version of mainly Italian in the eastern and Spanish in the western Mediterranean that incorporated many loan words from Greek, the Slavic languages, Arabic, and Turkish came to be widely used as the "lingua franca" of the region, although some scholars claim that the Mediterranean Lingua Franca was just poorly used Italian.
I know. Joke is that frenchies see their language on the highest pedestal possible. And additional joke is in similarity of words "French" and "franca".
Erm. English is the world language. In science and all international bodies. Why wouldn't we use English to communicate with people from other countries when not at least one person speaks the native language of the other (yes, that happens, and then we don't speak English)?
In my country I speak my language because others doesn't speak my dialect.
Bruder ist einfach 3/4 von Deutschland
Oder Schwiiz
Chotzbrokä
And I deeply appreciate it.
I learned Spanish in high school, but I never really had the opportunity to use it (grew up in a very insulated community where minorities weren’t exactly celebrated and ‘you’re in America speak English was a common sentiment) and lost it. I can still say ‘your mom smells like cheese when it’su see water’ and a few other things, but any semblance of conversational Spanish is gone.
I used to get mad at this meme because as an american we have a worse time in school learning other languages than europeans do. But I've dropped the shame and started spanish again from almost nothing. Maybe one day I'll be fluent.
This. I appreciate everyone who has learned English, but more so than that I think having to learn it before moving to an English speaking country like mine is like expecting a baby to walk before it has been born. Take it from a half-Colombian who can't understand a word of what my mom says on the phone to family members and friends, if you want someone to learn a language, the easiest way is complete immersion into a society that speaks it.
Worst of all is any asshole who, say, goes to Mexico and thinks "because I'm an American and we are nationally owed $$ by Mexico I am entitled to be so arrogant as to think people should have to speak English when I go to Mexico on vacation". It's not just America to Mexico obviously, I could say Quebecios to Western Canada or Englishman to (insert country here) or Chinese to (insert country here) but I'm sure you get the general formula. Arrogant wealthier-than-average tourist, different culture with less material wealth, inevitable offensively bigoted comment.
In such a case, I would absolutely tell the arrogant tourist that just because they're rich and live in Nation X, does not make them entitled to being catered to, albeit with more colorful language because somehow idiots like that tend to realise they've gone too far and either apologize and stop or give one last angry quip and storm off to ragequit the conversation.
The meme feels too accusatory, but I understand that language-wise I got lucky and most people have to work up to knowing a language with critical user mass. I will never expect anyone to HAVE to speak my language for any reason.
I mean, with the specific caveat that if it's an emergency and they know some English, ANY at all, we should probably go as far as we can to speak each other's languages in a temporary pidgin until nobody is hurt or in danger. Aside from such time-sensitive situations, I'm definitely willing to learn from them as long as they acknowledge I hope they try to learn some English from me, but no obligation should be involved either way.
I envy native english speakers. They don't have to waste time learning english.
I write simple explanations in english because developers can only write simple instructions in code.
Gringo momento xd
in many cases, it's the only language that all participants in the conversation understand, not the only one for each.
but to be honest, if I could exchange my knowledge of my native language with the same amount of experience with something else (e.g. programming, math, etc.) I might take that deal (after moving to a primarily english speaking country of course).
Would you really? (: Language not only is everywhere, but also determines your ability to express your thoughs and moreso also shapes them, as your conciousness is deeply comnected with language. Your whole worldview is heavily intertwined with it.
I mostly realize this, when I do have to use another language to formulate my thoughs. It just feels like constantly having a giant headache. Just like right now :} I wouldn't for anything trade the skills in my native language.
not sure if I would, but I will definitely not rule that out. I think almost anything you learn changes how you think and can express your thoughts, although language does it in a more direct way.
I speak (well, mostly write) English because it's the only language that the vast majority of the world knows, including my girlfriend.
Also, I'm a linguaphile and it has more words for me to play with than any other language 😁
Also, I’m a linguaphile and it has more words for me to play with than any other language 😁
But can you combine words to make up new grammatically correct words on the fly?
We can make all kinds of words in our language.
But can you combine words to make up (gramatically correct) words on the fly?
Absofuckinglutely 😁
Infixes are not very normal though and I would assume most languages have prefixes and suffixes.
I mean more in the terms of people will get annoyed if you didn't write two words together and instead separated them. And that is becoming pretty common since English is used a lot and you never do it in English, so people started doing it to our language as well (I'm also guilty)
Some people will always get annoyed when you play with language, doesn't matter how you do it or with which language.
English just happens to be exceptionally malleable and fun to play with, compared to most other languages including my native Danish 🤷
Haha, yeah Danish sucks.
I understand now, lol.
Some aspects of it, such as the fact that the only way to know the en/et of nouns is to already know, indeed suck but I wouldn't say the language as a whole sucks. It's an ok language, English is just a much better one 🤷
quantity of words has nothing to do with the potential of playing with a language / double meanings tc
don't believe every website you find in a google search
You're correct that it's far from the only factor, but it DOES help.
Likewise 🤷
Sure. But I call it American!
Esperanto estas la plej bona kaj utila internacia lingvo.
You speak Esperanto because it's the only language nobody knows.
Tio estas amuza; mi konas multajn en mia urbo.
toki pona
describe the difference between a sheep and a goat
soweli suwi / soweli kiwen xD
what if the speaker and the listener had different opinions on whether goats or sheep were 'suwi' ?
Tio ne estas tro grava problemo. se estas elekto inter ekzakte tiuj du, oni povas ech simple diri "la unua" kaj "la dua". Neniu vera problemo.
vi ĝustas. mi tre ŝatas Tokiponon, sed ne taksas ĝin taŭga kiel internacia dua lingvo
finfine mi trovas alian esperantiston 💚
En dit is waarom VS-Standaardisme zo'n groot probleem is op het internet. Iedereen spreekt Engels, en de Verenigde Staten zijn de grootsten wat betreft het aantal Engelssprekers. En daardoor ontstaat een situatie waardoor de meeste gebruikers worden gezien als Amerikaans tenzij anders vernomen.
"And this is why US-centrismis such a big problem in the internet. Everybody speaks Engliah, and the United States are the biggest in terms of English speakers. And through that a situation occurs where most users are seen as Americans, unless stated otherwise"
About right?
I would translate VS-standaardisme to US defaultism, and beyond that, you're pretty much spot on.
I honestly think we need to standardize language. English is the most widely spoken langauge in the world and (nearly) anyone can speak it so it's a good contender. Most programming languages use English
#include
int main(){
printf("hello world!\n");
return 0;
}
And honestly as much as it makes my heart cry to say this, American English is more efficient. After all it might be a one letter difference but why include "u" in color? If I remember correctly the "u" was dropped because adverts used to be payed per each character, and even today considering the usage of color tags in css it makes sense to drop the "u". Even if it is a small difference in terms of size, it still makes writing faster and adds up
Cause no one uses pig latin anymore. Uckfay hetay olicepay
That's not true; I also speak Dutch!
Anyone want to speak Dutch with me?
......
That's what I thought.
Op Reddit zit het vol met Nederlanders, dus ik zou wel peizen dat er redelijk veel mee gemigreerd zijn naar Lemmy.
Zeker waar, maar er zijn gewoon niet zo veel kansen "back home" als ik mijn familie bezoek 🥲
Er is een hele instance voor Nederlanders, feddit.nl. Ik zit er zelf niet bij, maar heb er volgens mij wel een paar communities die ik hier volg.
And then the Anglos complain that they don't get the professional opportunities that those who know multiple languages get.
Bonjour! Comment allez vous!
Bagget
Mon aéroglisseur est plein d'anguilles
Your hovercraft has what?
Monty Python reference
Attention, ça glisse deux fois plus.
Posso confermare
Si sistema la cravatta
Niente cappello
Well I'm currently learning Japanese but I don't yet know enough words to make a funny comment here
Domo arigato.
Mr Roboto
Thank you very much, oh, Mr Roboto, for doing the things nobody wants to.
That's about the extent of my Japanese.
I only understood the word for thanyou since I'm still learning words in Japanese and katakana
ありがとう
Also your arigatou is missing a "u" at the end
Domo is a modifier. Combined with arigato it means thank you very much. It can also mean "thanks" on its own, and it can mean "hello" on its own. Japanese is a little odd like that. Arigato can be spelled with or without the u, same for domo.
Yeah I've always spelled it with the u at the end because I've seen it spelled like that more commonly
And I'll look up "domo" too
못알아듣지롱
Weón serán Weón
siempre hay un chileno
mi parolas esperanto por kredigi homojn, ke mi parolas du lingvojn
Mi parolas iomete.
pli bona ol neniom
Jesteśmy polką i polakiem
literally?
yaha pe kisine Hindi me abhi tak nhi likha?
lagta h Lemmy pe Indians km h
Nahi aisa nahi h !
Aur Bhai kya haal chaal
Sab badhiya
abhi me acting classes jaata hu
tum kya side activity kr rhe ho?
Oh god the thought of only communicating to someone with code would drive me insane.
.json
At least it's not XML.
#!/bin/sh
cat << EOF
Type your boring english thing here
EOF
Hey I also know some American sign. We can totally write in that if you’d prefer.
I would love to learn plains sign language as well. You know, if I’m gonna live on this continent I should at least understand one of the languages.
You can learn Dine (Navajo) on Duolingo.
угадайте на каком языке я пишу
Однозначно славянский
Dude, I get it, but I don't have anything against you and I'm not demanding you learn English to cater to me.
Please stop assuming I'm racist or selfish for only knowing the language my parents spoke most when I was a baby, I probably could have picked up Spanish from my mom's family but sending a teenager with Asperger's like me to stay with relatives in South America in 2007 like my normal-brained brother did as a foreign exchange student would have been infeasible.
I just want to write speculative fiction in my own language and in return be grateful to people who are willing to learn a trade language, not be told I'm a monster just for speaking only a language that's commonplace, is that too much to ask?
Sprich Deutsch, du elendiger Englisch sprechender Hurensohn!
No. Get over the fact that English is the common speech of the world. And be grateful you even can learn new languages; not all of us can.
Many years ago, the common speech was French. The world of diplomacy and international mail was all French.
As someone who struggled for years learning that vile language, I'm glad we switched to English. It could have been German and its 16 different way to spell an article.
Δεν είμαι Έλληνας, αλλά μαθαίνω τα ελληνικά! Ήθελα να διαβάζω κείμενα στα αρχαία ελληνικά, αλλά βρήκα αυτό πολύ δύσκολο. Λοιπόν, αποφάσισα να πρώτα μάθω τα νέα ελληνικά, καί μετά να προσπαθήσω ξανά τα αρχαία.
Πόσα χρόνια μαθαίνεις;
Σύντομα θα είναι 4 χρόνια
Ναι!
So people are monolingual?
Mostly only people from countries where English is the main language and even there, more and more are becoming bi- or even multilingual
Except India and every African country (with English as main language).
For a lot of african countries english and french are more administrative languages. More and more people learn them as they're used in schools, but in everyday life other languages dominate. Calling them english speaking countries may be correct as english is the "official" language, but that's not the whole picture.
Yeah, that's my point.
I didn't mean ALL countries with English as their main language but yeah, good point!
To cut Anglophones some slack, quite a lot of people are bilingual by knowing their native language + english because it's pretty much the de facto international language, especially in Europe. For Anglophones it just happens that their native language is english, so they don't bother with learning a new one since realistically they don't need to, whereas for others knowing english is often mandatory for jobs.
Besides that it's much easier to learn english than any other language because media and culture in english is unavoidable unless you live without internet and TV.
Regarding media, I can get almost anything I want in a dubbed or translated version, even some youtubers provide dubbed versions of their videos.
Yeah, but what I meant is that for English you don't need to look for it. You'll see English on every social media. At least in Serbia, most, if not all popular foreign songs are in english, and most younger people listen to music with english lyrics, on TV you'll find mostly american series, movies and shows, technology uses english by default, and everyone learns english in school here since year 1 of primary school.
My point is that Anlophones who want to learn, say, French, have to actively seek it out and motivate themselves for the sole purpose of being able to engage in French culture, while here (but I imagine it's very similar in the rest of europe) people are bombarded with english everywhere they look, whether they want to or not.
And this reach really makes it insanely easy to learn english. I've been listening to so much Swedish metal that I've learned a handful of words, and if I had immediate access to Swedish like I do to English, I'd probably be talaring svenska by now, but I do not, so I don't. So to make a fair comparisson, I'd say it would be better to see how many people speak 3+ languages, and compare that to the number of bilingual Anglophones.
About that, why do Germans dub so much? Here we only dub children's shows. Netflix has tried to dub a few normal movies and they got mocked by pretty much everyone.
I guess the immigrants appreciated it though. It's probably a good way to learn our language.
I suppose there are two related reasons:
older people (but also quite a lot of young people) don't speak english that well, they would have problems understanding and dubbing has been done for so long that they expect it
there are enough german speakers that it's worth dubbing instead of just subtitling
I speak English because it's the langauge I know the best.
I speak English because I can't learn other languages well. I've tried. I just am not hardwired for that sort of thing.
There is no hard wiring in the brain. It has plasticity, meaning it can adapt to new stimulus. Sure, learning a new language is easier for some than others, but that doesn't mean you should give up.
Yeah. The American education system sucks. They tried to teach me French, but starting in high school is stupid, so I barely scraped by. Also, Spanish should automatically be taught in most American schools at this point from grade 1. It's as much our unofficial second language as English is our unofficial first language.
Thank you for making your life revolve around mine🥰
Halt die Fresse, Bruder.
Nåh, det var da ikke noget problem. Nu skal du bare lære at tale dansk, tak.
Finns bättre språk än Danska att lära sig men du har rätt i sak
Ferme ta gueule.
There are 10 types of people in the world.
Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
...and those who didn't expect a ternary joke!
And those who understand that this joke works in any base.
That's only 2 types of people, IDIOT!
Well we know which type you are. 🤭
Funny but English as a Lingua Franca is a thing. English has become a widely understood international language so its not just used to talk to native English speakers but also as a common language between non-native speakers.
I bet frenchies are so salty about it
Italians (Latin) and Greeks were salty before them. And the Anglo-Saxons will be salty when Chinese, Indian or an African language becomes the new lingua franca. That's
That's what? Talk about a cliff hanger! 😳
Why would the lingua franca change again? No type of Chinese, Indian, nor any African language has even remotely the same spread as English does. I'd wager some proficiency in English exist in a sizeable part of the population in almost every country on earth, same can't be said for most other languages (if any).
If history is anything to go by, the English speaking world runs into some trouble. Nothing much new comes out in English while somebody else becomes dominant in research and publishes in their language. That's getting picked up in academia and politics and if anyone wants to be up to date, they learn that language. The other language now starts to distribute their movies exposing more people who pick up that language and spreading from there.
Sure, that can take a few generations. It's not like everybody just decided to switch right now
The thing is, we can't exactly go by history since we've never been as interconnected as we are now. Intercontinental travel could potentially be seen as "just" a huge step up in transportation compared to the past but the internet has fundamentally changed how we communicate. When it comes to technology and science, English is the de facto standard and it's gonna take something pretty huge to disrupt that.
Disruptions are in the near future. Energy systems are changing, climate change is going to wreck things, wannabe dictators starting wars and others. Usually one of those isn't a problem but a lot of those at the same time wrecked past civilizations. But you can't predict how it'll all turn out.
Yes, but the prerequisite is kind of that they will wreck the west (which is the main region keeping English as the lingua franca) but not the other regions when the west is likely going to be less impacted by a lot of issues than other parts of the world, for example just due to geography.
Never in history though has there already been a language this dominant across the world, has there? I look at it this way, two things need to happen for a new language to become dominant -- there needs to be both an impetus and a strong candidate.
I'm not entirely sure what impetus there would be. What we've had so far is everyone else using the language. What would cause that to happen? You'd need a sizable number of people who simultaneously have global influence and don't typically use English. Right now one precludes the other. It's why there isn't a strong candidate either -- the language would need to have widespread use and honestly be the preferred language in some fields globally.
I can think of two possible candidates, but it's still a stretch. Latin is probably the most widely used, but no one uses it conversationally. Japanese goes along with your comment about movies -- the anime industry has been successful on a global level to the point that people prefer to listen to it in Japanese even if they don't understand it.
I think that's the bellwether we need to look for. Whatever the successor language is, it will need to be adopted by people who don't understand it but still prefer it. It faces the challenge of supplanting the dominant language for the entire globe, not just a region of the world.
I know. Joke is that frenchies see their language on the highest pedestal possible. And additional joke is in similarity of words "French" and "franca".
Erm. English is the world language. In science and all international bodies. Why wouldn't we use English to communicate with people from other countries when not at least one person speaks the native language of the other (yes, that happens, and then we don't speak English)?
¡Me encanta este meme.!
J'aime ce moimoi!
Putain, donc meme devient moi-moi en français. Je viens juste de comprendre le truc. J'étais grave confus avant en lisant les coms.
Especialmente porque el tipo es un actor hispanohablante.
Pero con un acento fatal
Мне также нравится этот мем!
In my country I speak my language because others doesn't speak my dialect.
Bruder ist einfach 3/4 von Deutschland
Oder Schwiiz
Chotzbrokä
And I deeply appreciate it.
I learned Spanish in high school, but I never really had the opportunity to use it (grew up in a very insulated community where minorities weren’t exactly celebrated and ‘you’re in America speak English was a common sentiment) and lost it. I can still say ‘your mom smells like cheese when it’su see water’ and a few other things, but any semblance of conversational Spanish is gone.
I used to get mad at this meme because as an american we have a worse time in school learning other languages than europeans do. But I've dropped the shame and started spanish again from almost nothing. Maybe one day I'll be fluent.
This. I appreciate everyone who has learned English, but more so than that I think having to learn it before moving to an English speaking country like mine is like expecting a baby to walk before it has been born. Take it from a half-Colombian who can't understand a word of what my mom says on the phone to family members and friends, if you want someone to learn a language, the easiest way is complete immersion into a society that speaks it.
Worst of all is any asshole who, say, goes to Mexico and thinks "because I'm an American and we are nationally owed $$ by Mexico I am entitled to be so arrogant as to think people should have to speak English when I go to Mexico on vacation". It's not just America to Mexico obviously, I could say Quebecios to Western Canada or Englishman to (insert country here) or Chinese to (insert country here) but I'm sure you get the general formula. Arrogant wealthier-than-average tourist, different culture with less material wealth, inevitable offensively bigoted comment.
In such a case, I would absolutely tell the arrogant tourist that just because they're rich and live in Nation X, does not make them entitled to being catered to, albeit with more colorful language because somehow idiots like that tend to realise they've gone too far and either apologize and stop or give one last angry quip and storm off to ragequit the conversation.
The meme feels too accusatory, but I understand that language-wise I got lucky and most people have to work up to knowing a language with critical user mass. I will never expect anyone to HAVE to speak my language for any reason.
I mean, with the specific caveat that if it's an emergency and they know some English, ANY at all, we should probably go as far as we can to speak each other's languages in a temporary pidgin until nobody is hurt or in danger. Aside from such time-sensitive situations, I'm definitely willing to learn from them as long as they acknowledge I hope they try to learn some English from me, but no obligation should be involved either way.
I envy native english speakers. They don't have to waste time learning english.
atleast we don't say could of and would of
I write simple explanations in english because developers can only write simple instructions in code.
Gringo momento xd
in many cases, it's the only language that all participants in the conversation understand, not the only one for each.
but to be honest, if I could exchange my knowledge of my native language with the same amount of experience with something else (e.g. programming, math, etc.) I might take that deal (after moving to a primarily english speaking country of course).
Would you really? (: Language not only is everywhere, but also determines your ability to express your thoughs and moreso also shapes them, as your conciousness is deeply comnected with language. Your whole worldview is heavily intertwined with it.
I mostly realize this, when I do have to use another language to formulate my thoughs. It just feels like constantly having a giant headache. Just like right now :} I wouldn't for anything trade the skills in my native language.
not sure if I would, but I will definitely not rule that out. I think almost anything you learn changes how you think and can express your thoughts, although language does it in a more direct way.
I speak (well, mostly write) English because it's the only language that the vast majority of the world knows, including my girlfriend.
Also, I'm a linguaphile and it has more words for me to play with than any other language 😁
You are definitely missing a few..
Nah, World Atlas say I'm not
But can you combine words to make up new grammatically correct words on the fly?
We can make all kinds of words in our language.
Absofuckinglutely 😁
Infixes are not very normal though and I would assume most languages have prefixes and suffixes.
I mean more in the terms of people will get annoyed if you didn't write two words together and instead separated them. And that is becoming pretty common since English is used a lot and you never do it in English, so people started doing it to our language as well (I'm also guilty)
Some people will always get annoyed when you play with language, doesn't matter how you do it or with which language.
English just happens to be exceptionally malleable and fun to play with, compared to most other languages including my native Danish 🤷
Haha, yeah Danish sucks. I understand now, lol.
Some aspects of it, such as the fact that the only way to know the en/et of nouns is to already know, indeed suck but I wouldn't say the language as a whole sucks. It's an ok language, English is just a much better one 🤷
You're correct that it's far from the only factor, but it DOES help.
Likewise 🤷
Sure. But I call it American!
Esperanto estas la plej bona kaj utila internacia lingvo.
You speak Esperanto because it's the only language nobody knows.
Tio estas amuza; mi konas multajn en mia urbo.
toki pona
describe the difference between a sheep and a goat
soweli suwi / soweli kiwen xD
what if the speaker and the listener had different opinions on whether goats or sheep were 'suwi' ?
Tio ne estas tro grava problemo. se estas elekto inter ekzakte tiuj du, oni povas ech simple diri "la unua" kaj "la dua". Neniu vera problemo.
vi ĝustas. mi tre ŝatas Tokiponon, sed ne taksas ĝin taŭga kiel internacia dua lingvo
finfine mi trovas alian esperantiston 💚
En dit is waarom VS-Standaardisme zo'n groot probleem is op het internet. Iedereen spreekt Engels, en de Verenigde Staten zijn de grootsten wat betreft het aantal Engelssprekers. En daardoor ontstaat een situatie waardoor de meeste gebruikers worden gezien als Amerikaans tenzij anders vernomen.
"And this is why US-centrismis such a big problem in the internet. Everybody speaks Engliah, and the United States are the biggest in terms of English speakers. And through that a situation occurs where most users are seen as Americans, unless stated otherwise"
About right?
I would translate VS-standaardisme to US defaultism, and beyond that, you're pretty much spot on.
I honestly think we need to standardize language. English is the most widely spoken langauge in the world and (nearly) anyone can speak it so it's a good contender. Most programming languages use English
And honestly as much as it makes my heart cry to say this, American English is more efficient. After all it might be a one letter difference but why include "u" in color? If I remember correctly the "u" was dropped because adverts used to be payed per each character, and even today considering the usage of color tags in css it makes sense to drop the "u". Even if it is a small difference in terms of size, it still makes writing faster and adds up
Cause no one uses pig latin anymore. Uckfay hetay olicepay
That's not true; I also speak Dutch!
Anyone want to speak Dutch with me? ...... That's what I thought.
Op Reddit zit het vol met Nederlanders, dus ik zou wel peizen dat er redelijk veel mee gemigreerd zijn naar Lemmy.
Zeker waar, maar er zijn gewoon niet zo veel kansen "back home" als ik mijn familie bezoek 🥲
Er is een hele instance voor Nederlanders, feddit.nl. Ik zit er zelf niet bij, maar heb er volgens mij wel een paar communities die ik hier volg.
Zeg makker.
Velst je het fiets terug?
And then the Anglos complain that they don't get the professional opportunities that those who know multiple languages get.
Bonjour! Comment allez vous!
Bagget
Mon aéroglisseur est plein d'anguilles
Your hovercraft has what?
Monty Python reference
Attention, ça glisse deux fois plus.
Posso confermare Si sistema la cravatta
Niente cappello
Well I'm currently learning Japanese but I don't yet know enough words to make a funny comment here
Domo arigato.
Mr Roboto
Thank you very much, oh, Mr Roboto, for doing the things nobody wants to.
That's about the extent of my Japanese.
I only understood the word for thanyou since I'm still learning words in Japanese and katakana
ありがとう
Also your arigatou is missing a "u" at the end
Domo is a modifier. Combined with arigato it means thank you very much. It can also mean "thanks" on its own, and it can mean "hello" on its own. Japanese is a little odd like that. Arigato can be spelled with or without the u, same for domo.
Yeah I've always spelled it with the u at the end because I've seen it spelled like that more commonly
And I'll look up "domo" too
못알아듣지롱
Weón serán Weón
siempre hay un chileno
mi parolas esperanto por kredigi homojn, ke mi parolas du lingvojn
Mi parolas iomete.
pli bona ol neniom
Jesteśmy polką i polakiem
literally?
yaha pe kisine Hindi me abhi tak nhi likha?
lagta h Lemmy pe Indians km h
Nahi aisa nahi h !
Aur Bhai kya haal chaal
Sab badhiya
abhi me acting classes jaata hu
tum kya side activity kr rhe ho?
Oh god the thought of only communicating to someone with code would drive me insane.
.json
At least it's not XML.
Lojban enters the chat
code? nah, we should communicate with assembler!
じゃぁねぇ、英語で話したくないならこのようにもできるよ。確か日本語が話せるでしょ？ (◠‿・)—☆
Gambare!
Μη κάνεις τον κινέζο
I know romanian, moldovan, british english, american english, python, c#, gdscript and c++
Hey I also know some American sign. We can totally write in that if you’d prefer.
I would love to learn plains sign language as well. You know, if I’m gonna live on this continent I should at least understand one of the languages.
You can learn Dine (Navajo) on Duolingo.
угадайте на каком языке я пишу
Однозначно славянский
Dude, I get it, but I don't have anything against you and I'm not demanding you learn English to cater to me.
Please stop assuming I'm racist or selfish for only knowing the language my parents spoke most when I was a baby, I probably could have picked up Spanish from my mom's family but sending a teenager with Asperger's like me to stay with relatives in South America in 2007 like my normal-brained brother did as a foreign exchange student would have been infeasible.
I just want to write speculative fiction in my own language and in return be grateful to people who are willing to learn a trade language, not be told I'm a monster just for speaking only a language that's commonplace, is that too much to ask?
Sprich Deutsch, du elendiger Englisch sprechender Hurensohn!
No. Get over the fact that English is the common speech of the world. And be grateful you even can learn new languages; not all of us can.
Many years ago, the common speech was French. The world of diplomacy and international mail was all French.
As someone who struggled for years learning that vile language, I'm glad we switched to English. It could have been German and its 16 different way to spell an article.
It's not about you personally, more about the education system in some countries versus others.
That's a fair assessment. Sorry if I was over-reactive.
No worries <3
All is good, no need to change one's self to conform to what others think. All we can do is keep on trying to learn.
The meme was meant to be taken as a joke, while being a bit smug.
The title mentions programming languages, so as to widen the pool; Lemmy seems to have many that would fall under that category.
Culture wars and identity politics are just tools used to divide.
We shall come together to battle the wealthy class, as the gods have foretold.
Good luck, mate!
🤝👽⚡
Έχουμε άλλους Έλληνες εδώ;
Δεν είμαι Έλληνας, αλλά μαθαίνω τα ελληνικά! Ήθελα να διαβάζω κείμενα στα αρχαία ελληνικά, αλλά βρήκα αυτό πολύ δύσκολο. Λοιπόν, αποφάσισα να πρώτα μάθω τα νέα ελληνικά, καί μετά να προσπαθήσω ξανά τα αρχαία.
Πόσα χρόνια μαθαίνεις;
Σύντομα θα είναι 4 χρόνια
Ναι!
So people are monolingual?
Mostly only people from countries where English is the main language and even there, more and more are becoming bi- or even multilingual
Except India and every African country (with English as main language).
For a lot of african countries english and french are more administrative languages. More and more people learn them as they're used in schools, but in everyday life other languages dominate. Calling them english speaking countries may be correct as english is the "official" language, but that's not the whole picture.
Yeah, that's my point.
I didn't mean ALL countries with English as their main language but yeah, good point!
To cut Anglophones some slack, quite a lot of people are bilingual by knowing their native language + english because it's pretty much the de facto international language, especially in Europe. For Anglophones it just happens that their native language is english, so they don't bother with learning a new one since realistically they don't need to, whereas for others knowing english is often mandatory for jobs.
Besides that it's much easier to learn english than any other language because media and culture in english is unavoidable unless you live without internet and TV.
Regarding media, I can get almost anything I want in a dubbed or translated version, even some youtubers provide dubbed versions of their videos.
Yeah, but what I meant is that for English you don't need to look for it. You'll see English on every social media. At least in Serbia, most, if not all popular foreign songs are in english, and most younger people listen to music with english lyrics, on TV you'll find mostly american series, movies and shows, technology uses english by default, and everyone learns english in school here since year 1 of primary school.
My point is that Anlophones who want to learn, say, French, have to actively seek it out and motivate themselves for the sole purpose of being able to engage in French culture, while here (but I imagine it's very similar in the rest of europe) people are bombarded with english everywhere they look, whether they want to or not.
And this reach really makes it insanely easy to learn english. I've been listening to so much Swedish metal that I've learned a handful of words, and if I had immediate access to Swedish like I do to English, I'd probably be talaring svenska by now, but I do not, so I don't. So to make a fair comparisson, I'd say it would be better to see how many people speak 3+ languages, and compare that to the number of bilingual Anglophones.
About that, why do Germans dub so much? Here we only dub children's shows. Netflix has tried to dub a few normal movies and they got mocked by pretty much everyone.
I guess the immigrants appreciated it though. It's probably a good way to learn our language.
I suppose there are two related reasons:
I speak English because it's the langauge I know the best.
My Aafrikans is nie goed nie.
Sure but I call them boganeese
Cierto.
Dobre. Čo tak sa porozprávať po Slovensky?
Yes cater to me.
Aujourd’hui quelque chose.
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I speak English because I can't learn other languages well. I've tried. I just am not hardwired for that sort of thing.
There is no hard wiring in the brain. It has plasticity, meaning it can adapt to new stimulus. Sure, learning a new language is easier for some than others, but that doesn't mean you should give up.
Yeah. The American education system sucks. They tried to teach me French, but starting in high school is stupid, so I barely scraped by. Also, Spanish should automatically be taught in most American schools at this point from grade 1. It's as much our unofficial second language as English is our unofficial first language.
Ah merde!
മലയാളം അറിയുമൊ
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