Is it really that hard to write the word "north"? Is that even what nth is supposed to mean? I keep reading it as the mathematical "1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th..., nth" and it makes my head hurt
"tunafish" sounds weird but "nth American" (not first or second or thirteenth but nth) sounds fine?
‘We have really everything in common with America nowadays except, of course, language’ - Oscar Wilde
We don't talk about 1st America and 2nd America
"North", I assume
I'd rather get a cow-mammal burger
Served with pig-mammal bacon?
Swordfish?
Plenty other languages keep the fish-part in the Tuna name, also
Not the same as there is no one calling a swordfish just sword.
Plenty other languages keep the fish-part in the Tuna name
Do they? Which ones?
Hungarian here. Probably it would sound weird without the 'fish' bit, since we call it 'tonhal' ('hal' meaning fish). I just can't imagine someone offering some tuna to me, asking 'Ton?'.
EDIT: However, in English, I call it tuna, not tuna fish.
German for example
Danish/swedish/norwegian, tunfisk/tonfisk
We do have a tuna cactus here that people eat. Nopales are from the Tuna. Prickly pear fruit also. That cactus is called Tuna here.
I mean the fish when I say Tuna though, and would say Prickly Pear cactus.
But do hear Tuna often used to mean the plant.
Human-sapien?
Human-homo?
Human-mammal would be the closest taxonomically.
And what about the tuna-cat and tuna-bird?
There's a few other redundant versions, like how they say "horse-back riding". Why not bikeseat riding or plane cockpit flying?
I was kinda drunk when I saw a comment chain in another thread and decided to have a bit of fun ;)
:P
I was drunk and saw a comment chain in another thread so I decided to have a bit of fun ;)
:P
All you crazy foreigners just don't realize. 'Merica has no regulations, sense, or laws. We call it "Tuna Fish" because just "Tuna" is sawdust and cat liter.
I consider “tuna fish” to be outdated and regional to the South and maybe Midwest US. I grew up hearing it but at some point started wondering why tf we would say that rather than just tuna, so I’ve made a point to just say tuna since then.
Huh, I grew up in the South and never realized it wasn’t normal to say tuna fish sandwich. I guess it doesn’t really make sense, but I still kinda like the ring of it
It is normal, I guess. I grew up with my mother and grandmother saying that. I decided it was silly and I should stop, though.
For some reason if I think of a tuna fish sandwich I imagine canned tuna, but if I think tuna sandwich I imagine whole seared tuna.
Ditto
Is there a tuna that is not fish?
Tuna piano?
There is, yes ... that's the main Spanish name for prickly pear.
Up until around 1907, your odds of encountering the fruit by the name "tuna" were about the same as the fish, when the first commercial canneries started to pop up in California... hence, a habit of clarifying between the two that stuck, even though most folks outside of the southwest had never heard of a tuna cactus.
Fascinating. I'll add a slight addition of info that prickly pears are actually present in the Midwestern and eastern parts of the US. Saw them growing in the wild at the Indiana Dunes national park last year. Very weird to see cacti that far north, but there they were.
Are there Tunas that aren't fish? We just say Tuna here in California unless we ask for yellow fin tuna or blue fin tuna
Yeah, prickly pears are tuna fruit, from the tuna cactus
From some reason I feel like I'm playing The Outer Worlds while reading this discussion.
You can't tuna fish otherwise you risk it becoming a bass.
Neither. I never order a tuna sandwich. I sometimes make myself a tuna sandwich. 😂
This :-) and
whenever I ordered something with tuna, it was always 'tonno'
gourmet
I order a tuna salad sandwich or a tuna sandwich, but I grew up hearing tuna fish... specifically in reference to the stuff that came in a can.
Both were equally common years ago but over time, "tuna" sans fish has won out... likely because fresh, non canned tuna is very common.
I read an article a while ago that theorized the reason for Americans calling it "tuna fish" was that it rose to prominence as a canned staple good in the 1940s, and many Americans who didn't live on the coasts had never heard of tuna before. Its light meat, when canned and cooked, was very mild and chicken-y compared with the heavily salted, oily canned fish folks were familiar with, hence both "chicken of the sea" and the precaution of labeling the can with not only tuna, but "fish".
I think an alternate explanation is probably more likely... the 1919 Oxford English Dictionary describes "Tuna" as an alternative spelling of "tunny", the old name for the fish (still used in a culinary sense in Britain) ... not coincidentally:
Californians would also have been familiar with the other tuna... tuna fruit, the prickly pear.
Possessed of both a fruit and a fish of the same name, distinguishing one from the other when canning fish seems reasonable
The largest canneries of tuna (e.g., the one that ultimately became Chicken of the Sea) were all based in California.
Nah. cow and beef came about due to the Norman conquest of England.
The lords spoke French and so were served bœuf (which became beef overtime), while the peasants spoke English and tended cows in the field.
Tuna. I'm in the midwest. I've lived on the west coast. I just assumed "tuna fish" was an east coast thing.
Cat food
No, I say "tuna salad" and then get disappointed when it's just chunked tuna with no vegetables or dressing.
I ask for Tuna and am disappointed when I get Tuna Salad, which is tuna, mayo (I assume) and onion. Like... did I ask for that extra shit? No!
The best tuna salads have celery not onion, and some have sweet pickles in them too.
I hate celery, but don't add onion either.
Mayo, mustard, & relish (preferably sweet, but dill works if that's what's on hand). Then boiled egg or tuna, depending on which kind of salad you want.
Tuna salad is objectively better though. Tuna (the fish) tastes good. It has lots of flavour but it is inherently dry, 100% solved by tuna salad.
Today I learned that there are people out that who do not share that position. Never met one before. Hello, dryfish eater.
ahhhhh Tuna in springwater, maybe. Tuna in oil, though... nice and moist!
Two sides of the same coin. Just give us what we ask for or tell us you can't do it, people!
I'm in camp "Midwestern American who says tuna fish". . .but I'm also right there with the person that said they don't order them and tuna fish sandwiches are something made at home.
For the record, I don't know why the fish part is specified. It just always was. It's not like my family called it a "can of tuna fish" growing up or anything. It's just the sandwiches. Put that tuna between two slices of bread and suddenly the word "fish" gets thrown in there. Maybe it just sounds more fun if you add more syllables? Either that or somebody in the region had to explain that tuna was a kind of fish years and years ago and it just stuck.
Tooter fish popkin
I call it whenever they call it on the menu. This is generally how everyone should order food. It’s what the servers have memorized and it’s how they understand the requests better.
Id never order a tuna fish sandwich but I'd make them. I'm from pnw USA. When I say tuna sandwich I feel like it would be different than something out of a can. Tuna salad probably makes more sense but ive never had any confusion when saying tuna fish. Doing some googling, "tuna" is also Spanish for "prickly pear". So tuna could be used to describe a cactus fruit. In Cali there is a restaurant called "La tuna canyon". Not cause of the fish.
Yeah, I did a bit of poking around, check this out. Till the tuna canneries started showing up in the early 1900s in California, "tuna" was just as likely to prefix "cactus" as "fish".
Mystery solved I think
We call it "fish chunk" sandwich, coz we literally can't tell if it's tina or not, we just eat it. That way we aren't disappointed.
"Tuna Fish"
I bet you say toona instead of tyoona too 😂
Well, yeah, because that's how tuna is pronounced. It's not a puma.
Is that pooma or pyooma? I'm confoosed
I mean, you can also say "mountain lion" or "John Mellencamp"
Actually if we are talking about at a restaurant, I say "tuna melt" because I ain't going to a restaurant for a plain tuna sammy.
I hate when people say sammy. Downvoted. I'm sorry, I have no choice.
neither. I prefer tuna either raw or jarred in oil
don't eat fish, they have feelings, social life and suffer both under captivity and being killed :(
For the vote it would have to be “tuna”. But could you try and order less tuna, or none at all? Not only for the risks to your health, but it’s also really bad for the tuna. And there is no sustainable way to eat fish - not even tuna. Thanks.
Curious, are you against eating animals at all, or is there something specific to fish I'm unaware of?
Tried to phrase that in the most polite way, but I can't get the phrasing to not sound like I'm being a snarky dick. I'm genuinely asking. I'm not vegan, but I do try to limit myself as much as I can given the diets of the other people I cook for. Also not a fan of fish in general, but I'll cook and eat it when someone in the house goes fishing at the local lake or river. We never buy fish.
Not who you asked but I agree with OP. In my case because the way the fishing industry operates is adding to the problem. They destroy ecosystems, pollute the oceans, kill fish for their “magical” powers. Also there’s been many studies showing that you don’t really know what type of fish you’re actually eating
Most of those issues apply to any meat, and honestly even to vegetables.
Bluefin tuna are endangered. Cows and carrots aren't.
Okay, so it is a problem specific to fish. Thank you for replying!
Thanks for fielding the question Wookie. And May I say Dharma that was the nicest question I ever got (ex Reddit so maybe Lemmy people are all lively). Honestly, if you (and everyone) cuts back on the red meat that’s good for you and great for the environment. Fish is a global problem - we have overfished the world. There is a good film about it, a few years old now “Sea-sporacy” if you have time. You are already in the top percentage because you are thoughtful about what you are consuming. Cool.
Tuna is one of the healthier fishes. It has higher mercury levels, but unless you're eating it every day you're fine.
"Tuna"
Please, "Tuna Fish" is my father. Just call me "Tuna".
As far as I know Tuna-fish is only a nth American thing and sounds very weird to my ears.
So this vote will likely be Nth America vs the rest.
Honestly, why only tuna fish?
Salmon-fish?
Chicken-bird?
You can tune a piano but you can't tune a fish
But you can tuna fish, so where does that leave us?
I guess it leaves us with Sandwich fillings
That was a great album.
How do you install this, then?
Off-key.
Is it really that hard to write the word "north"? Is that even what nth is supposed to mean? I keep reading it as the mathematical "1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th..., nth" and it makes my head hurt
"tunafish" sounds weird but "nth American" (not first or second or thirteenth but nth) sounds fine?
‘We have really everything in common with America nowadays except, of course, language’ - Oscar Wilde
We don't talk about 1st America and 2nd America
"North", I assume
I'd rather get a cow-mammal burger
Served with pig-mammal bacon?
Swordfish? Plenty other languages keep the fish-part in the Tuna name, also
Not the same as there is no one calling a swordfish just sword.
Do they? Which ones?
Hungarian here. Probably it would sound weird without the 'fish' bit, since we call it 'tonhal' ('hal' meaning fish). I just can't imagine someone offering some tuna to me, asking 'Ton?'.
EDIT: However, in English, I call it tuna, not tuna fish.
German for example
Danish/swedish/norwegian, tunfisk/tonfisk
We do have a tuna cactus here that people eat. Nopales are from the Tuna. Prickly pear fruit also. That cactus is called Tuna here.
I mean the fish when I say Tuna though, and would say Prickly Pear cactus.
But do hear Tuna often used to mean the plant.
Human-sapien?
Human-homo?
Human-mammal would be the closest taxonomically.
And what about the tuna-cat and tuna-bird?
There's a few other redundant versions, like how they say "horse-back riding". Why not bikeseat riding or plane cockpit flying?
Jay bird
Panda bear
Scarab beetles
Why is this a pinned post 😅
It mean it's very important. Lemmy NEED to know.
I was kinda drunk when I saw a comment chain in another thread and decided to have a bit of fun ;)
:P
I was drunk and saw a comment chain in another thread so I decided to have a bit of fun ;)
:P
All you crazy foreigners just don't realize. 'Merica has no regulations, sense, or laws. We call it "Tuna Fish" because just "Tuna" is sawdust and cat liter.
I consider “tuna fish” to be outdated and regional to the South and maybe Midwest US. I grew up hearing it but at some point started wondering why tf we would say that rather than just tuna, so I’ve made a point to just say tuna since then.
Huh, I grew up in the South and never realized it wasn’t normal to say tuna fish sandwich. I guess it doesn’t really make sense, but I still kinda like the ring of it
It is normal, I guess. I grew up with my mother and grandmother saying that. I decided it was silly and I should stop, though.
For some reason if I think of a tuna fish sandwich I imagine canned tuna, but if I think tuna sandwich I imagine whole seared tuna.
Ditto
Is there a tuna that is not fish?
Tuna piano?
There is, yes ... that's the main Spanish name for prickly pear.
Up until around 1907, your odds of encountering the fruit by the name "tuna" were about the same as the fish, when the first commercial canneries started to pop up in California... hence, a habit of clarifying between the two that stuck, even though most folks outside of the southwest had never heard of a tuna cactus.
Fascinating. I'll add a slight addition of info that prickly pears are actually present in the Midwestern and eastern parts of the US. Saw them growing in the wild at the Indiana Dunes national park last year. Very weird to see cacti that far north, but there they were.
Never knew the Spanish name for them!
Thanks for the info :)
Tuna can?
Are there Tunas that aren't fish? We just say Tuna here in California unless we ask for yellow fin tuna or blue fin tuna
Yeah, prickly pears are tuna fruit, from the tuna cactus
From some reason I feel like I'm playing The Outer Worlds while reading this discussion.
You can't tuna fish otherwise you risk it becoming a bass.
Neither. I never order a tuna sandwich. I sometimes make myself a tuna sandwich. 😂
This :-) and
whenever I ordered something with tuna, it was always 'tonno'
gourmet
I order a tuna salad sandwich or a tuna sandwich, but I grew up hearing tuna fish... specifically in reference to the stuff that came in a can.
Both were equally common years ago but over time, "tuna" sans fish has won out... likely because fresh, non canned tuna is very common.
I read an article a while ago that theorized the reason for Americans calling it "tuna fish" was that it rose to prominence as a canned staple good in the 1940s, and many Americans who didn't live on the coasts had never heard of tuna before. Its light meat, when canned and cooked, was very mild and chicken-y compared with the heavily salted, oily canned fish folks were familiar with, hence both "chicken of the sea" and the precaution of labeling the can with not only tuna, but "fish".
I think an alternate explanation is probably more likely... the 1919 Oxford English Dictionary describes "Tuna" as an alternative spelling of "tunny", the old name for the fish (still used in a culinary sense in Britain) ... not coincidentally:
Californians would also have been familiar with the other tuna... tuna fruit, the prickly pear.
Possessed of both a fruit and a fish of the same name, distinguishing one from the other when canning fish seems reasonable
The largest canneries of tuna (e.g., the one that ultimately became Chicken of the Sea) were all based in California.
Tuna fish = The animal
Tuna = The meat
It's like with cows and beef
I drink the milk of the beef fish.
Sounds fine.
Fish milk is a delicacy
Nah. cow and beef came about due to the Norman conquest of England.
The lords spoke French and so were served bœuf (which became beef overtime), while the peasants spoke English and tended cows in the field.
Tuna. I'm in the midwest. I've lived on the west coast. I just assumed "tuna fish" was an east coast thing.
Cat food
No, I say "tuna salad" and then get disappointed when it's just chunked tuna with no vegetables or dressing.
I ask for Tuna and am disappointed when I get Tuna Salad, which is tuna, mayo (I assume) and onion. Like... did I ask for that extra shit? No!
The best tuna salads have celery not onion, and some have sweet pickles in them too.
I hate celery, but don't add onion either.
Mayo, mustard, & relish (preferably sweet, but dill works if that's what's on hand). Then boiled egg or tuna, depending on which kind of salad you want.
Tuna salad is objectively better though. Tuna (the fish) tastes good. It has lots of flavour but it is inherently dry, 100% solved by tuna salad.
Today I learned that there are people out that who do not share that position. Never met one before. Hello, dryfish eater.
ahhhhh Tuna in springwater, maybe. Tuna in oil, though... nice and moist!
Two sides of the same coin. Just give us what we ask for or tell us you can't do it, people!
I'm in camp "Midwestern American who says tuna fish". . .but I'm also right there with the person that said they don't order them and tuna fish sandwiches are something made at home.
For the record, I don't know why the fish part is specified. It just always was. It's not like my family called it a "can of tuna fish" growing up or anything. It's just the sandwiches. Put that tuna between two slices of bread and suddenly the word "fish" gets thrown in there. Maybe it just sounds more fun if you add more syllables? Either that or somebody in the region had to explain that tuna was a kind of fish years and years ago and it just stuck.
Tooter fish popkin
I call it whenever they call it on the menu. This is generally how everyone should order food. It’s what the servers have memorized and it’s how they understand the requests better.
Tuna-mayo.
It's redundant. Tuna fish, wrist watch, eye glasses...
Pocket watch, sun glasses, drinking glasses
For one glorious moment there I thought you were some sort of sophisticated individual who has special eye glasses only for drinking.
Well, now I am!
I suppose there are always beer goggles, but not quite the same.
Also piss kidneys
ATM machine
Tuna.
Id never order a tuna fish sandwich but I'd make them. I'm from pnw USA. When I say tuna sandwich I feel like it would be different than something out of a can. Tuna salad probably makes more sense but ive never had any confusion when saying tuna fish. Doing some googling, "tuna" is also Spanish for "prickly pear". So tuna could be used to describe a cactus fruit. In Cali there is a restaurant called "La tuna canyon". Not cause of the fish.
Yeah, I did a bit of poking around, check this out. Till the tuna canneries started showing up in the early 1900s in California, "tuna" was just as likely to prefix "cactus" as "fish".
Mystery solved I think
We call it "fish chunk" sandwich, coz we literally can't tell if it's tina or not, we just eat it. That way we aren't disappointed.
"Tuna Fish"
I bet you say toona instead of tyoona too 😂
Well, yeah, because that's how tuna is pronounced. It's not a puma.
Is that pooma or pyooma? I'm confoosed
I mean, you can also say "mountain lion" or "John Mellencamp"
Only for humour value, in an American accent. Also Calvin and Hobbes.
Tuna sammich.
We don't eat tuna
I ask for a Tuna salad sandwich
“Tuna Salad.”
Tuna Sammy. 😋
Actually if we are talking about at a restaurant, I say "tuna melt" because I ain't going to a restaurant for a plain tuna sammy.
I hate when people say sammy. Downvoted. I'm sorry, I have no choice.
neither. I prefer tuna either raw or jarred in oil
don't eat fish, they have feelings, social life and suffer both under captivity and being killed :(
For the vote it would have to be “tuna”. But could you try and order less tuna, or none at all? Not only for the risks to your health, but it’s also really bad for the tuna. And there is no sustainable way to eat fish - not even tuna. Thanks.
Curious, are you against eating animals at all, or is there something specific to fish I'm unaware of?
Tried to phrase that in the most polite way, but I can't get the phrasing to not sound like I'm being a snarky dick. I'm genuinely asking. I'm not vegan, but I do try to limit myself as much as I can given the diets of the other people I cook for. Also not a fan of fish in general, but I'll cook and eat it when someone in the house goes fishing at the local lake or river. We never buy fish.
Not who you asked but I agree with OP. In my case because the way the fishing industry operates is adding to the problem. They destroy ecosystems, pollute the oceans, kill fish for their “magical” powers. Also there’s been many studies showing that you don’t really know what type of fish you’re actually eating
Most of those issues apply to any meat, and honestly even to vegetables.
Bluefin tuna are endangered. Cows and carrots aren't.
Okay, so it is a problem specific to fish. Thank you for replying!
Thanks for fielding the question Wookie. And May I say Dharma that was the nicest question I ever got (ex Reddit so maybe Lemmy people are all lively). Honestly, if you (and everyone) cuts back on the red meat that’s good for you and great for the environment. Fish is a global problem - we have overfished the world. There is a good film about it, a few years old now “Sea-sporacy” if you have time. You are already in the top percentage because you are thoughtful about what you are consuming. Cool.
Tuna is one of the healthier fishes. It has higher mercury levels, but unless you're eating it every day you're fine.