Does anyone know any Hard Sci Fi books about humans surviving without any hospitable worlds?

Kit Sorens@lemmy.dbzer0.com to Asklemmy@lemmy.ml – 213 points –

I'm looking to get inspiration for my own writing. I need a hard sci fi series where earth (and earthlike worlds) are too rare, inaccessible, and/or previously spoiled beyond ability to sustain life. Bonus points if it is set on a multi-generational space station or starship without any other options and goes into detail about life support, living space, mineral mining and expansion of the station to accomodate a growing population, and daily life of it's residents.

If anyone remembers Drifter Colonies from Titan A.E., that's what's in my head.

I'm looking for The Martian levels of realism, and I'm fine with a bit of "Unobtanium" clichés if they're not core to the story.

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Ohhhhh boy, I get to nerd out. OK, super short story; reading and chatting about The Expanse book series got me pointed towards the work of Alastair Reynolds. The early parts of his universes arch aren't really relevant for your purposes, but in the latter books, how humanity survives on lifeless rocks, is exactly what you're looking for. Plus, he's a astrophysicist doctor, iirc, and it is quite quite good hard Sci Fi.

I finished Alastair Reynold’s Pushing Ice a few months ago and it’s kind of close to what OP is looking for. Also a really good book!

Seveneves by Neal Stephenson is this.

Also Tau Zero by Poul Anderson, to a degree.

Came here to say Seveneves as well. Just borrowed it again from the library today actually! Highly recommend.

Just chiming in to say Seveneves is a great read.

I was going to suggest Tau Zero. It might not be exactly what he's chasing but there's are some similar points. Plus it's really good and fairly short.

It certainly ticks off the hard science point, but is more about how the crew deal with everything philosophically. Nothing like the Martian I guess.

The Children of Time books by Adrian Tchaikovsky have a lot of those themes. Half of the first book is about an ark ship sent out to find a habitable planet because earth is dying. It spans hundreds of years as key crew members go in and out of hyper sleep. Relationships and political factions form and dissolve as the ageing ship continues its mission to find a new home.

The second book focuses on a terraforming crew that was sent to another star system to prepare a planet for humans. However, the planet's ecology is so alien it proves very difficult to gain a foothold.

I'll second this (though I've only read the first thus far). I don't know that I'd consider it especially hard SciFi but it's far from a space opera. I recall feeling like the justification for the creation of the arachnid race was a bit hand-wavey, but the level of thought put into their society more than made up for the required suspension of disbelief. Definitely one of my favorite books.

For something similar I'd also recommend Dragon's Egg by Robert L. Forward. It's about the discovery of intelligent life on a neutron star, who develop at a rate exponentially faster than humanity. Also not super hard SciFi, but a great exploration into truly alien life.

I really enjoyed the first and could not get into the second in the children of time series

There's a third now, I need to read it still. I liked the second, though

It's possible Just wasn't the flavor I was looking for at the time. I'll give another go at some point. I hear great things from people so it's probably just send me a thing

I loved the first two, but I had a hard time getting through the third. It has interesting concepts but it takes a long time to make its point. Plot structure spoilers:

::: spoiler Spoiler The main reveal should have happened half way through, not at the end. :::

Apologies for mobile formatting

Just a loose round up so far

Seveneves Neal Stephenson
Tau Zero Poul Anderson
Metro 2033 Dmitry Glukhovsky
The Children of Time Adrian Tchaikovsky
Lucifer's Hammer Larry Niven
Pushing Ice Alastair Reynolds
Record of a Spaceborn Few by Becky Chambers
Diaspora by Greg Egan
A Memory Called Empire by Arkady Martin
The 100 Kass Morgan
Interdependency trilogy by John Scalzi.
Silo series of books by Hugh Howey

Seveneves is incredible, with the caveat that the last chapter of the book was almost handwavey with regards to the author's conclusion of where humanity ended up. 10/10 otherwise.

That last part felt like an entirely different book. I didn't even finish it. I just pretend the story ended before that.

What's the rest of his works like? I've read snow crash and loved it, will give seveneves a go.

Highly recommend Anathem and Diamond Age. Cryptonomicon and Baroque Cycle are more tours-de-force but if you are nerdy enough (I mean c'mon this applies to all his work) and very into history, I can recommend those too.

Seconded!

I wouldn't call Cryptonomicon a tour de force, I remember it fondly. But then again, I'm mildly interested in cryptography and historical background to stuff never hurts when presented entertainingly 😀

The only other one I've attempted to read by Niel Stephenson has been Cryptonomicon. It seemed to get way, way into the weeds and is over a thousand pages. It was in my 20's that I attempted it and I only made it half way through.

His work is top tier and highly regarded by many as thoroughly researched.

If you liked Snow Crash, give Diamond Age a try.

Thumbs up for the Silo series. Even though it’s not in outer space, many other boxes tick: multi-generation, environmental systems, spoiled planet …

Going to have to check this one out!

The Expanse series is kinda like that. There are other planets, but most of the action takes place on ships, stations, and asteroids that have been converted into stations. It goes into depth about life in space, and everything from engineering to biology, sociology, politics, and theology.

The topic is straight brought up several times, including most notably in book 2 about the Jupiter moons, but they all claim it's borderline impossible because all this is super delicate system only made possible by Earth anyway. Which is later proven true in last book.

The Bobiverse series is about a person who dies and wakes up as an AI that must replicate itself across the stars, while humanity ends on Earth.

Read Dune if you didn't read it it goes deep in to ecology and terraforming of Arrakis, Fremen surviving on it,water relations in environment...

Another inspiration for you may be Scavengers Reign - animated series about surviving on lush planet that is really inhospitable for humans.

The Interdependency series by John Scalzi portrays a society where some number of star systems, containing only one habitable planet which is at the very far reaches of the wormhole network, are connected together by wormholes. The society is called "the Interdependency" because every orbital habitat, dome and underground city is hugely dependent on trade with other habitats... without robust transfer of goods and raw materials EVERYONE would die... and this DOESN'T prevent stupid, short sighted, greedy humans from gambling with the stability of it all for their own personal economic and political gain. Fun books. Like most Scalzi, it's not too deep. But it's lots of fun.

Doesn't quite fit the bill as there's a planet eventually but Children of Time by Tchaikovsky is excellent and half the book follows a generation ship. The other half follows a successive evolution of uplifted spiders. It's reasonably hard sci-fi not Martian levels of detail about the science but very well written and enjoyable. Could be worth a go for some inspiration.

@Berttheduck

The other half follows a successive evolution of uplifted spiders

This is the book I didn't know I wanted to read until now.

It does a really good job of making you empathize with giant spiders. I can also recommend the audio book, very well done.

@Berttheduck awesome. I love relatable non-human characters that are genuinely alien not just crypto humans.

It owns. Haven't read the third one yet. Not even sure if it's out but if it is it's next on the list.

If you also accept TV series, Battlestar Galactica may interest you.

It deals with a small fleet of survivors desperately seeking a new home planet, who live in constant paranoia due to the enemy being able to plant sleeper agents within their crews. I remember they had to mine asteroids for fuel.

Children of Time series goes over this a little bit, especially in the first book. Colonists end up waking up early due to a malfunction and end up falling into a devolving tribalistic race to the bottom on their journey to the planet.

EDIT: As for "hard" scifi, while I wouldn't say this series is at the same level as The Martian or maybe The Expanse, it is pretty good with trying to keep things real, especially with regards to the human threads of the story.

Not quite what you're after but I absolutely love Diaspora by Greg Egan.

It's a different take on the same issues you're asking about (not at first, but it's not really a spoiler to say that it explores them whether or not it's as necessary as your examples state), a take that leans more into different forms of existence rather than supporting our current existence in a different environment (but touches on aspects of that too, kind of). It's mega-multi-generational while also not being that at all, depending on perspective.

Not quite what you’re after but I absolutely love Diaspora by Greg Egan.

Came here to say that it's the BOOK OP is looking for , Moreover, it's one of the authors present on the fediverse @gregeganSF@mathstodon.xyz

I don't know how the original version works, but in the French translation Francis Lustman made a real effort in building a coherent grammar with neo-pronoms which match very well the book tone, and is a great exercise.

However, Diaspora isn't the most accessible Egan book. I mean, if you never heard about stuff like complex conjugate, or Penrose tiles you'll struggle with some of the concept.

It was my first real Sci fi book haha. Definitely a struggle but I was hooked once I started grasping even a sense of what was going on in the conceptory at the beginning.

From there, I understood what I understood, and let the other concepts flow over me in a way. Sometimes they'd click once I was a few chapters deeper and something that was discussed earlier came into effect and I'd go back and re read, other things made more sense when I read the whole thing again years later.

Reading it, I definitely didn't get the full intended effect that someone with more knowledge would have, but it still managed to stick with me for decades now and absolutely shaped my Sci fi tastes

Someone what mentioned Kim Stanley Robinson's Red Mars trilogy, and that is really good, but his book Aurora is almost exactly what you are describing.

Highly recommend.

I was looking for Aurora. I also think it's right on the money. Gets into the weeds with micro ecosystems.

The idea that humans need the diverse micro ecology of earth in order to not become ill over the course of generations is pretty interesting.

The idea that humans need the diverse micro ecology of earth in order to not become ill over the course of generations is pretty interesting.

Really pretty well-supported by current science, too. I teach chemistry at a community college, so maybe I'm an outlier, but I read a ton of current research about the importance of diversity in "gut biomes" and the damaging effects of monoculture on global ecology, etc.

It seems pretty clear that even if engineers could solve the physical and chemical issues with a generation ship, the limiting constraints are almost certainly going to be biological and ecological, and KS Robinson's estimates for the upper limits seem pretty reasonable based on current knowledge

The Mars series by Kim Stanley Robinson definitely fits the bill. The Ministry of the Future does too but it is more about the coming climate change disaster.

It's a very non traditional story structure (at least to a western reader) but The Three Body Problem series has a lot of plot revolving around the lack of inhabitable worlds.

Wasn't there a ship, or two, that had to escape into deep space for like, a long long time?

!yes, in fact those ships end up being very important to some big events in the last 2 books!<

Lucifer's Hammer by Larry Niven is a fantastic book that might be near what you are looking for. It's about an asteroid impact on Earth, this removes a lot of the population and infrastructure and the story focuses on a few different groups of people as they make do with what they can find or scavenge, and then the resource battling that goes on between groups.

A story line I remember well is on a group that found an abandoned neighborhood and were astonished to find that it still had running water from the nearby local dam/reservoir. They lived here for quite a while in their relative luxury until it just stopped working one day. A burst pipe in some other neighborhood had slowly drained the dam faster than they would have used it up.

Anyway, it's a great book because it feels so realistic as to what would really happen and the struggles people would actually be going through.

Alas, Babylon. Earth Abides. On The Beach. The Road. One Second After (this one is meh).

If you want some other good collapse survival books similar to Lucifer's Hammer.

Yes, Earth Abides is also good! I had forgotten about that one until I saw your comment

Children of Time is nearly exactly what you're looking for. The whole series doesn't follow nicely with what you're looking for but the focus remains on that aspect of things for lack of wanting to spoil anything. If nothing else read the first book, it's exceptional.

Wholeheartedly agree. I've read the first and second, and liked the first the most. Still planning to read the third eventually.

I also should mention I "read" them on audible, and the narrator was good too.

FYI if you, like me, did not realize the third book was out, it is! I just bought it, gonna start it tonight

All tomorrow's by c.m koseman may be interesting to you. It's a short story that examines the state of humanity several billion years in the future after they have evolved to be unrecognizable. Some civilizations thrived and became better, many devolved and live tortured existances. Quite a few lose the ability to speak or lose intelligence in general.

You might want to check out Record of a Spaceborn Few by Becky Chambers. The book is about the people of the Exodus Fleet, a group of multi-generation ships that left Earth years ago. Even though the fleet eventually found other planets for them to live on, many are content to continue living out in space. It's a neat little slice of life book about this community doing their part to keep these ships going.

People already mention the Mars series by Orson Scott Card, the Expanse series by Corey, and Seveneves by Stephenson, which are all fantastic and all fit your request well. Two others you might consider are:

  • The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by Heinlein. Very old school classic that features a moon colony fighting with earth.
  • Beggars in Spain by Kress. Most of it is on a near future earth, but the last hunk of it involves a segment of people relocating to a space station.

To be fair, and no spoilers, but I'm not sure The Expanse qualifies for this request, technically. (As a huge fan of the books and series both)

The belters make a pretty solid example of what it sounds like OP is looking for. The entire setting doesn't match to a T but there's enough interaction with inhospitable environments to be worth looking into, I think.

Corey goes into pretty good detail about how they made Eros, Ganymede, and the generation ship livable. Seems like they qualified.

Clearly, that's not the aspect I was hinting at. >!The first part of the request is the relevant section, not the "bonus points", all due respect: "earth (and earthlike[sic] worlds) are too rare, inaccessible, and/or previously spoiled beyond ability to sustain life."!<

Hmmm, I just read that to mean there was some reason people had to terraform or create an artificial habitat, not that it had to be that specific plot point.

Tau Zero is essentially where eventually within a few months no hospitable worlds exist. This is due to a spacecraft being out of control and reaching relativistic speeds.

“The Dark Beyond the Stars” by Frank Robinson might fit for you. It’s set on a generation ship that can’t find a good landing spot.

“And all the stars a stage” (1971) by James Blish is another one where human-like aliens escape the destruction of their home world in 30 ships just to wander the galaxy looking for a new home, running into one disaster after another as their attempts to settle on various worlds end in failure and lives lost, until they happen upon a tiny, blue-green world with the most hospitable climate imaginable… with only one ship and a handful of survivors left.

It’s a poignant story of endlings, and the extinction of one species at the civilizational dawn of another.

Completely different angle towards the question but Metro 2033 (and sequels) might be a good source of inspiration. Not space themed but there might be some elements that can be a source of inspiration.

It's about a post nuclear war Moscow where to survive humanity has set up a series of interlinked communities in the underground metro tunnels. The book talks a lot about the daily life in the stations. One is known for growing mushrooms used in tea. One was burnt down leading the rest of the system to strictly control fires. Another gained a reputation as a capital like station because it's entrance was next to a university and government building.

Not a true hard sci fi book (has things like irradiated mutants) but a lot of thought went into the logistics of living in the metro.

Maybe not "hard" enough for you (eg. it has absibles) but Becky Chambers's Record of a Spaceborn Few is about life on a fleet of generation ships.

You might get some value from Stephen Baxter's Manifold series; while they aren't central to what you're asking for they definitely deal with humanity coping with a hostile universe. Heinlein wrote a couple of short stories set on a generation ship, although I can't bring the titles to mind. Accelerando takes place in many manufactured settings, rarely earth like (past the first major part). Brin and Benford's Heart of the Comet may also point in the direction you want.

I'm going to go the other way and recommend The Fifth Season, which is technically a fantasy trilogy but which has won both the Hugo and Nebula awards, because (as if that wasn't a spoiler) it's got a ton of sci Fi in it.

It's basically about people on a planet that keeps dying. They've had to deal with so many apocalyptic events that prepping for the next one defines the entirety of their civilization. If you want a window into the psychology of a society constantly on the verge of destruction, I can't think of a better series.

Might not be quite "hard" enough, but perhaps try the Interdepency trilogy by John Scalzi.

The Culture series novel, my favorite optimistic and hard sci fi that includes artificial intelligence (minds that have giant ships or habitats for bodies and humanoid avatars to interact with people).

They basically never live on planets because they are inefficient and "inelegant". They live on gigantic ring orbitals that have a fraction of the mass of a planet but multiple times the surface area. No big take-off energy needed either. They also live on gigantic ships that endlessly cruise the milky way. Highly recommend!

Another thought about "colonizing planets" would be that it's basically a form of genocide. Imagine someone had colonized earth half a billion years ago or just a few million years ago. Humanity would never have existed. Just stepping foot on a planet like they do on star trek is basically ecocide - with the introduction of completely foreign and possibly incredibly disruptive micro organisms. Besides the ethical aspect there would also be the loss of information - if you imagine a pristine planet to be a bio computer creating countless unique and new genetic variations and new forms of chemistry. Quite possible not something that can be covered with a computer. Or observing primitive planets as a source of entertainment. There are lots of reasons why outside of a few "home planets" advanced civilizations would never terraform existing biological systems, and would find artificial habitats far more efficient or practical.

John Varley's 8 Worlds books (pre- and post-reboot) have had to colonize the rocks of the Solar system, tho they're not that technical, and he rarely moves past the Moon. Also Gaea (Titan, Wizard, Demon) has an extremely alien habitat; there are other Gaea creatures, just the protagonist one is crazy but also Human-friendly.

Vernor Vinge's A Deepness in the Sky is about life on STL, multi-generation starships.

Bruce Sterling's Schismatrix is mostly set in habitats, asteroid mining, and Martian terraforming, but also a very alien hive.

  1. NEVER BORN. “You mean we all came from Earth?” said Nikolai, unbelieving.

“Yes,” the holo said kindly. “The first true settlers in space were born on Earth—produced by sexual means. Of course, hundred of years have passed since then. You are a Shaper. Shapers are never born.”

“Who lives on Earth now?”

“Human beings.”

“Ohhhh,” said Nikolai, his falling tones betraying a rapid loss of interest.

The whole premise of the book is returning to earth, but The 100 starts out in the way you're wanting including multigenerational space stations and resource limitations.

Check out A Memory Called Empire by Arkady Martin and it's sequel.

Great book (author's last name is spelled Martine), but though a hunk of people are on a space station I don't think it goes into as much detail on making that work as OP is asking for - at the time of the story they'd been there for generations.

Maybe have a look at The Long Winter Trilogy by A.G. Riddle (available at kindle unlimited)

Surprised no one has mentioned The Expanse series. A ton of world building in very different kinds of environments. Space stations, small ships, big ships, generation ships, asteroids, moons, planets.

The environments are well thought out in how the residents would need to adapt

Cibola Burn especially was really cool with the world building. Things that you don't really hear of in other novels or even think of like the fact that alien plant life would be completely inedible to us are dealt with in detail.

It was the first thing I thought of but I thought Earth was still too viable for OP in the first few books, plus the science isn't The Martian level hard.

I've come to believe that once we seriously get into Space, there will come a point where "Planets" are not our primary residence at all.

I feel like O'Neal Cylinders have the advantage of a controlled environment and the lack of a gravity well hindering further exploration.

ANOTHER series I just remembered and highly recommend is the Unincorporated Man series. I think there are 4-5 books in the series. Pretty good IMHO. Similar to The Expanse, it's the Inners vs the Belters, and explores personal liberty and person hood from the perspective of owning "shares" of yourself like a company.

The conflict is awesome, and two military strategy geniuses duke it out in a Legends of the Galactic Heroes sort of way--one has all the resources and latest tech, the other is scrappy and has to deal with extreme resources shortages. Awesome story.

Frank Herberts "WorShip" (aka Pandora Sequence) series should fit the bill. At the very least the first two books, 'Destination: Void' and 'The Jesus Incident'.

The basic premise goes something like:

Humanity shot off into space to find another planet to live on. To survive the journey serious advanced AI needs to be created. AI shenanigans ensue. Humans are dumped on a super hostile planet, highly unfit for human life. As one of humanities last lifelines the AI demands to be worshipped as a god.

My suggestion will spoil a bit of the ending so I'm putting it in a spoiler tag.

::: spoiler 3 Body Problem In the third book it very much meets this criteria and I think has some fantastic ideas I'd love to see expanded on :::

There is little hard scifi in the 3 Body problem. And nothing of what the OP asked about.

You don't think so? I thought it did.

Unfolding proton as a fundamental particle is wrong. Protons are made up of 3 quarks. Quantum teleportation doesn't enable ftl communication. Ftl engines. Higher dimensions. Collapsing dimensions. Pocket universe.

There is a chapter about building realistic space stations in the shadow of Jupiter and two realistic space ships one of which goes right into the fantasy realm of higher dimensions.

Maybe 50 pages out of 500 are hard scifi.

I was sold on the first stuff being real... I guess that makes it good fiction. I know there was a lot that wasn't but I thought since OP was looking for inspiration that some of the stuff here would help...?!