I bet Rockstar is thinking twice about *checks notes* making a normal looking female character.

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Yeah, can we please just stop talking about him?

Like, especially for things that have absolutely nothing to do with him..

The best bit of is I don't think he even said anything? He said he didn't play GTA because it got to the bit where you have to shoot cops and he couldn't morally do it, that's super dumb but I haven't seen anything he said about the characters and no one in here is talking about it.

I think people have imagined how he probably feels and now we have to hear about that too!

he didn't play GTA because it got to the bit where you have to shoot cops and he couldn't morally do it

How you play a video game is as much a moral choice as writing/reading about the same.

I've found it's a huge red flag when someone's opinions are always hardline and binary like this. It's literally choosing to be unreasonable when you never consider nuance, context, etc. I would agree that some issues are black and white, but most things in the world are shades of grey...

Damn Elon is the very fucking last thing I'd think of when I consider video game reviews. What's Bill Gate's opinion?

GTA made a name for itself by scaring parents for being violent and edgy. They do the same thing now, except it's far more terrifying to just scare fragile white losers.

At least Bill Gates was connected to Xbox, or something.

I think he even invented Halo or so I've heard! He's a true gamer.

That was Bungie, and little known fact before Microsoft made a deal with them halo was going to be a Mac exclusive.

Due to I would guess Bungies history of making Mac exclusives like the very overlooked Marathon

nah, Marathon's not overlooked, they just put out a trailer for that lootershooter extraction shooter.

It wasn't even good at it, Saint's Row feels like the game GTA is trying to be.

Nah saints row is when the mom says "but we already have gta at home"

Yeah, if your home was the fuckin' Playboy Mansion

Saints row fans are the gamer equivalents of people who like to watch Kardashians and shit like that.

GTA fans who diss Saint's Row fans are the people gobbling up post Endgame MCU while seeing nothing wrong with the current state of cinema

Ok so that's all you can give, a dislike? Come on bring on the counter arguments.

You were the one dissing GTA and I'm sorry, but gta is so far a head of saints row that it's not even remotely close. I've only ever finished the story of one gta game, because I didn't like it in the other games, but I still spent a ton of time in all of them despite that, because the world is so immersive and there's so much to do in there.

The stories in saints rows feel like they just put all the ideas in the game and give no thought if it fits the game at all. I have adhd and they still always manage to overwhelm me with so much senseless crap going on at all times. You just end up zoning out and not focusing on the story at all. I've never managed to play any saints row for longer than a few hours because of that. Meanwhile I've spent many times more than that in all gta games, outside the story, just exploring and messing around. You can easily spend more time just messing around in GTA than it would take to finish a story in saints row.

I like to play games where you can spend time doing stuff between the story missions, instead of just running from one mission to another. That really gets you immersed and makes it an unforgettable experience. I've played over 400 hours of gta v and every time I open the game, I still keep finding new stuff I haven't seen previously in that game. Saints row doesn't come even close to achieving that.

Saying that saints row is the game gta wants to be, implies that gta wants to be some cheap brainless entertainment that you forget in a day after playing it, which isn't true. They have ambitions beyond that and it clearly shows in their product.

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Righties 4ish years ago: “Those cuckwokes in the land Downunder are pulling GTA V from shelves over violence, what a bunch of snowflakes. 😂😂”

Righties today: “um, could you stop doing violence in the M rated video game? My Hypothetical children are getting influenced. 🤓🤓”

The only thing consistent on that side of the fence is their inconsistency.

Elon Musk's many children are only insofar hypothetical that he has yet to see them

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I like how he's turning extwitter into 4chan. Advertisers hate it though, but advertising only accounts for 90% of their revenue, nbd

I don't remember hearing what Jack Dorsey thought of anything.

Musk has literally paid 30 billion to have his own private megaphone on the internet.

That's ok, Muskoid is going to sue the ADL and Media Matters, and based on his extremely flawed ideas regarding Freedom Of Speech, he probably believes he can win lol.

he's such a fucking clown

His claim for suing Media Matters is that ads don't always appear next to Neo-Nazis, therefore they had to hit refresh until one did.

Which... they never said otherwise? And that doesn't really change things?

right? they've illustrated it happens. Advertisers don't want to be shown with nazi content, elon's hosting nazi content, it's really that simple.

No, it's that they didn't for anyone organically. Media Matters essentially broke their advertising algo and pretended anyone else saw them.

Nonsense. All they did was hit refresh. Anyone can do it.

They followed specific people and topics (neonazis and major brands) to bring it about. Seems fine to me.

That isn't accurate - you can look up the details before getting all fussy. Of all the twitter users they were the only user that saw one pairing and one of the other pairings may have been seen by one actual user, but also might've just been MM seeing it twice.

It wasn't an organic thing and it'll be interesting to see if it goes to court.

It wasn’t an organic thing and it’ll be interesting to see if it goes to court.

it was completely organic. no outside-twitter resources were used to achieve the result - they literally used twitter's tools and proved it could happen readily. That's all advertisers need to see to bug the fuck out.

We have different definitions of organic. I think the fact that only they saw some of the pairings shows it's something no legitimate user did.

You don't have to modify a lawn mower to flip it upside down and throw cats in it my friend.

You don’t have to modify a lawn mower to flip it upside down and throw cats in it my friend.

no you just have to be a psychopath to suggest it.

did they break twitter, inject code, falsify user records, hack anything? No.

They used the service as it's intended - picked some people and brands to follow then refreshed their feed. Buddy, that's as organic as manure - and even if it somehow was gamed, dozens of other instances of hate shit being positioned aside brands THAT RIGHTFULLY DON'T WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH HATE SHIT have been posted - it's not just media matters.

it's not just the ADL's criticism.

GET IT THROUGH YOUR FUCKING MELON - Musk's the problem. Your refusal to see the obvious is sad.

no you just have to be a psychopath to suggest it.

Ah. Miss the point and make a stupid medical diagnosis? Not the best start. I'll get back to this.

They used the service as it's intended - picked some people and brands to follow then refreshed their feed.

If it's organic why did nobody else see the combo? They literally behaved in a way no other user has, and it was contrived to find edge cases in the ad service. It's not organic use.

We're talking about facts and definitions. There's no reason for you to be this worked up, angry or vile to other people.

Ah. Miss the point and make a stupid medical diagnosis? Not the best start. I’ll get back to this.

yeah suggesting murdering animals as a method to defend free speech was you're weird tactic mate, not mine.

So you're suggesting without the 'contrived' method of selecting people to follow, which is part of twitter's core features, that no one would see these issues?

Because that's a lie. It's happened to hundreds of users. And seeing awful shit on twitter is getting more regular because of Musk's idiotic reversal on content moderation. https://time.com/6295711/twitters-hate-content-advertisers/

You literally don't know what you're talking about or are being intentionally disingenous - it's gross and sad. Fuck off with your bullshit, you defend nazis and their proponents - what the fuck is wrong with you?

And how dare you criticize anyone for getting worked up about your nazi apologist bullshit, you suggested mowing cats, sicko.

If your lawnmower is faulty and you find out after a couple of uses, I don't claim it only counts if the lawnmower was used by each person once.

When nobody has a problem with your millions of mowers except one guy, we usually ask what's wrong with the guy rather than the mower.

Even Twitter isn't claiming that Media Matters somehow broke their algorithm (unsurprisingly, since that makes Twitter look terrible):

The lawsuit filed Monday accuses Media Matters of publishing a report that distorted the likelihood of ads appearing beside extremist content on X, a move the social media company says led major and influential advertisers to suspend their campaigns en masse. The company alleges that the group’s testing methodology was not representative of how real users experience the site and calls for a judge to force Media Matters to take down the analysis.

The case appears to be a “bogus” attempt to chill criticism in a way that “flatly contradicts basic First Amendment principles,” Ted Boutrous, a First Amendment attorney with years of experience dealing with the tech industry, told CNN. Boutrous added that the case could backfire for X in the discovery phase, as Media Matters could demand internal information that, if presented at trial, could prove embarrassing or highly damaging to the social media company.

The lawsuit also contains “fatal flaws” by conceding that ads did, in fact, appear beside extremist content, regardless of how Media Matters achieved that result, according to Steve Vladeck, a law professor at the University of Texas and a CNN contributor.

“The complaint admits that the thing Media Matters was making a big deal about actually happened,” Vladeck said. “Most companies wouldn’t want their ads running next to neo-Nazi content even once, and wouldn’t care about the exact percentage of users who were encountering such side-by-side placement.”

Contrary to the complaint, Media Matters “never claimed that what it found was typical of other users’ experience,” Vladeck added.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/21/tech/elon-musk-texas-lawsuit-media-matters/index.html

They contrived a situation that literally happened to nobody else. You'll have to excuse my liberty with the word broken, but this is a non-issue.

If it wasn't musk none of us would give a fuck. If a right wing propaganda mill did the same thing everyone would happily admit it's misleading. The fact that it gets any traction at all is so fucking depressing.

They contrived a situation that literally happened to nobody else.

How do you know? You're taking Twitter's word for it. Why?

I'm comfortable they didn't lie about their analytics in a court filing. If they did, the court case will be even more fun.

Did you actually see their analytics or are you just going with Twitter PR about them?

If I'm not mistaken, it's in the court filings. I am heading out to grab a friend but I can try to look it up when I get back.

how much does Musk compensate you for all this mate?

Musk and Yaccarino claim hat it wasn’t displayed that way to any regular users. We have no way of verifying that.

You can read my other comments. They filed a lawsuit referring to their analytics. If it's a lie it will come out in discovery.

I'm aware of that. However, Twitter's own records are the sole source of this information. If they managed to falsify it without text messages or emails, how would the court find that out? How could anyone verify whether the records are complete and accurate in the first place?

That's up to the defense to work out. It would be pretty difficult to completely falsify the interactions that led to it, but that's way worse than what they're suing over.

What’s the advertising like on 4chan? I haven’t been on there in like 15 years. Maybe there were banner ads last time I was on there lol.

Weeb merch, dick pills and malicious links. So pretty much what it's always been tbh.

“Oh my god, who the hell cares?”

I hope the writers in charge of the radio station dialog are. This is great fodder.

I can definitely see them including a Musk-like character.

Full Lethal Weapon 2 accent, over compensating hair, quests to test his wacky inventions, crushed in a quest where you help him move server racks.

Then Rockstar and Take-Two get their Twitter accounts locked under some bullshit about "incitement of violence" against him and his family.

Then we will have come full circle. Back to the days right wingers getting mad a Rockstar games.

A jackass not being a fan of something is, to me, a pretty good advertisement for that thing.

It’s like a loud, obnoxious racist complaining about a nearby bar. “They don’t believe in freedom! They asked my friends and I to leave just for telling a few jokes!”

Oh, they don’t put up with bigots and aren’t afraid to kick them out? Maybe I should start hanging out there!

Wait do people not like the new GTA lady?

A very tiny loud minority on the Internet.

Those people confuse me. GTA6 protag is realistic but still at model level of conventional beauty.

It's not like Sarah Rider (Mass Effect Andromeda) or Jesse Faden (Control), who aren't as "conventionally" attractive. Although after writing that, Jesse is super hot, and I'm not sure if I've been gaslit by the internet into thinking she's not "conventionally" attractive.

Being charitable and taking these people at their word, I feel like with the more divisive examples it's a problem with modern lighting being softer and more dynamic? Leading to more "bad" angles and softer looking features. Most professional photoshoots have very contrasty and deliberate lighting, so maybe they're too used to that?

Jesse Faden is modeled after a soap-opera actress lol, are people really saying she's not attractive?

Jesse Faden not conventially attractive? Wow, the internet is a wild place

She’s not white, that’s all it takes for many of them.

This is the first I'm hearing of it, but I'm sure there's a non-zero % out there

Incels don’t like seeing a woman have any sort of power over their own lives, or seeing non-white/white-asian women

Hell, she's actually pretty cute. I'll take her over the typical 2020s female character design style.

what’s the typical 2020s style? i’m out of the loop

Stoic flat-chested tomboy with no personality outside of the occasional metajoke.

I'm fucking tired of it myself

Edit: You downvote me, but play any movie or watch any game from the past 3 years and tell me I'm wrong.

So exactly the same as a half the male characters in video games since ever?

we're downvoting you because you are rejecting tomboy supremacy. sorry but it's just nature taking its course, jack.

Yes, but the Preservation Council must recognize the presence of an endangered species

It’s not even that the protagonist is a woman, the Boer said that he didn't want to play GTA V because he just couldn’t kill police officers

He’s a fuckin’ virtue-signaling wiener who needs to be given a swirly; I doubt it’s even true but if it were, he’d use the same reason not to play any of the Wolfenstein games

This picture is wrong. Whole world is shaped like Murica . nothing else is known to man or so they say.

why is the too stylised as a youtube reaction video thumbnail, with the red background and all

People will complain about anything. They haven't even seen what the game actually is.

I swear lemmy just feels like an Elon hate forum. I hate the guy too but 80% of the content is just about him

Maybe you're in the wrong communities, i see one Elon post every 100 or so posts.

Half of the posts I see are about awesome animals like cats, dogs, owls, bats, opossums and racoons.

I need more active animal communities. Please list your recs 🥺

Not the original commenter but check out superb owl

Idr the spelling of the community or what instance I just see it pop up in my all feed from time to time

Also the animal communities just named opossums and raccoons(I think)

Edit: a post from superb owl

I just see kraut posts half the time, the other half of NSFW “subreddits” that I have to block.

Low hanging fruit tempts more people, more easily. He's just a really easy to hate, last decade it was Zuckerberg, this decade it's Elon.

I just hope the next person to steal the spotlight is less insufferable.

These kinds of posts always come off like when Trump complains that the people prosecuting him and judges are just anti-Trump.

He's a con man and everyone needs to know it. There are still too many people who think he's the best person on Earth.

Its an easy target. Low effort, high reward. I have a colleague who is frantic about numerology and anti-vax stuff. It's always a success to crack a joke about that.

You should find some communities you like. It's not all 80% for me. Much, much lower.