Always such a joy when we get to bust that one out :)
Its like, "Wait, you're threatening me with 1) having my cake and 2) getting to eat it too?
Where do I sign?!
Vivek Ramaswamy's campaign also stopped all TV ad spending with less than a month to go before Iowa and New Hampshire. So yeah, this is the only way he can get any attention right now before he drops out in February and tries to become a right wing media personality.
Genuine question: what do righty folks actually think of him? Like its painful to watch him act like he's part of the gang...
Anecdotal, but my grandma who is very racist and conservative was confused why he was running because only natural born citizens can be president. Needless to say she was disappointed when I told her that he was born in Cincinnati.
Louisiana rednecks loved themselves some Bobby Jindal (former Republican governor of LA of subcontinental extraction). It doesn't really surprise me when racists are illogical about their racism - since racism is a fundamentally illogical thing in the first place.
They don't think, that's the problem isn't it?
K but all pithyness aside, how do they actually feel about him? It must be super weird to agree with someone who's parroting your nonsense but also that person's very existence and social worth is an object of your hatred
I suspect that while most conservatives would prefer someone more 'close to home', there's two things that may appeal:
They may reference him to stave off claims of racism. "See? I woulda voted for him if Trump weren't running, you can't call me racist!"
He says the right things, and he's independently wealthy, which gives him that 'outsider' status that they also bestow upon Trump. With those two things, he might be deemed 'one of the good ones'.
Ultimately, few will opt for him over Trump, and their allegiance to him would likely be far more fickle, as they cannot identify with him as much.
What I found most plausible was the notion that he was running to soften Trump's image or something. Like he seemed even more over the top than even Trump and I don't know how any serious person pulls that off unless there's another orthogonal angle
I have two cousins who are half-Thai (their mother was a Thai woman brought to America by my uncle) who are virulent anti-immigrant white supremacists. It's especially weird because not only have they been the frequent victims of anti-asian discrimination, they also happen to look central american and have been the frequent victims of discrimination against that as well. I think the only thing that explains it is that they are absolutely dirt stupid.
I think people saw promise, he is clearly personally smart, but he has proven himself not up to the job at the debates. I think he'll get the Buttigieg treatment if Trump wins, set him up with some resume fodder and hope he runs in 12 years or something.
He comes across as beyond desperate. All of them do because they have very few facts on their side on most issues, I find. It would be torture to me to have to argue such absurd cases, they are basically paid actors.
You gotta hand it to the guy for getting his entry in for "least menacing threat of 2023" just under the wire.
he's hoping Trump will look at all his loyalty and overlook the fact that his skin is the wrong shade, and ask him to be his VP.
the thing is, Trump is a racist and will never over look that, the other thing is, Vivek is primarying against trump, and he's going to not over look that too.
He knows he's not winning. This is either to try and be Trumps VP, or is to promote his books and podcast (or both).
This makes no sense in the context. Being on the me ballot doesn't win him anything, and might anger the maga base, or even trump himself, so it would hurt him. It's a no brainer from a political perspective to say he wouldnt go on the ballot.
Okay that was always allowed.
Two turds, one stone.
He will get the same number of votes either way.
He hurt himself in confusion!
Fascist piece of shit is race traitor, too dumb to realize he doesn't fit in with the GOP's plans for America's future.
Demographic groups that have increased amongst Republican voters over the last 3 elections include hispanic protestants, hispanic catholics, and black protestants.
Yeah, a lot of people are brainwashed by corporate propaganda, voting against their own interests 'cause they got fooled.
Yeah, a lot of people are brainwashed by ~corporate~ religious propaganda, voting against their own interests 'cause they got fooled.
FTFY
Until the late 50s Democrats were the safe segregation vote, Brown v Brown in 54 got them some extreme segregationist populists even while the party overall was accommodating the demographic shifts that came with industrialization in the cities. Republicans successfully courted younger voters, and as deindustrialization hit the rural areas and created an economic glut, failure to invest in stimulus for these areas through successive administrations created a population angry at government for legitimate reasons ready to be courted by appealing and directing their base anxieties towards an internal "other."
It's only been since the 90s that the parties reached the internal consensus they're known for now. When Biden speaks about compromising and working "across the aisle" he's often referencing by name segregationist Democrats. The parties as single ideological units who consent to the same economic arrangement is very recent and creating this post-political stagnation where people have no political agency and are merely reacting to politics happening along ideological lines.
I think you're way late re: internal consensus. FDR set the model for democrats. It was apparent thereafter in every presidential election. Kennedy and Nixon, for example. The Dixiecrats dissolved in 1948.
There were still staunch Democrat segregationsts well into the early 70s, famously Wallace and Maddox. Wallace was Alabama governor until '68 and Maddox Georgia governor until '71.
Yeah, I suppose. Hard to believe him and RFK were in the same party. I guess I haven't thought much about what that means, if anything. At any rate, the path to change the DNC is from within, as Bernie did.
Look into redline mortgage laws and issues around housing developments in northern cities from the 60s to 90s. This was how racial division was perpetuated by northern white middle class liberals who became the consistent base for Democrats into the present day. Issues around property relations and the notion of the "neighborhood" which developers and mortgage brokers used to ensure blacks were segregated to low income areas. Even though a lot has been done to address these issues they're still very relevant to the generational wealth and have impacted a lot of issues around racism and the sort of programs the government has introduced to address it.
Some pop culture depictions of this... the HBO series "Show Me A Hero" with Oscar Isaac playing Yonkers mayor Nick Wasicsko, as his white middle class constituents fought against public housing developments. The Randy Newman song Rednecks is an infamous and shocking satire of the same issue written from the perspective of a (very) openly racist southerner.
Also can't recommend Barbara and Karen Fields' book "Racecraft" enough. Completely dissects what race is in America and how this notion of race came to be. A lot of well read people on the subject have praised it for completely changing their perspective on race. It's also completely readable and doesn't talk down to the reader or any of that bs (cough D'Angelo cough).
Doesn't make them any less of traitors if there are more of them. Even the white people who vote Trump are acting against their own interests.
“Vivek Ramaswamy Vows Not to Be on Any Ballots if Not Invited to Next Debate.”
He knows he doesn't stand a chance in the primary so he's setting up a way to lose that he can try to blame on the Democrats.
I guess that may be too, but it looks like his primary aim is to be a VP with trump, and he is trying to show how loyal to him he is.
Oh no ...anyway.
This must be that leftist virtue signalling I heard so much about a couple of years back.
Dude, if you want to be Trump's VP pick, just ask.
Trump will be like "Ok, but you gotta change your name to Vince Ramaswamadingdong. I can't pronounce the other one."
......who?
hes the one that did that really cool rap about running politics.... well maybe cool is the wrong word
Win-win?
Not really. He would actually have to have a universe out there in the multiverse where he does win for this to be a factor. He doesn't win even a 1,000th of any single city (even if you counted country wide total as votes in one city) in this universe though.
Love when the trash takes itself out
Look! A scapegoat!
For a dude that pretends truth matters, he hasn't even accidentally told it once.
Oh good. A two for one. Any other Republican Candidates want to join Vivek?...No....? Come on...do it.
Well we need one of them to stay on the ballot, preferably Haley or Christie. I’m voting for Haley in the primary and I hope that millions of progressives, liberals, and moderates join me. It’s the only way we can stop Trump from potentially ruining the U.S. for good. Stopping him at the primary stage would be preferable to him potentially winning another general election.
Cool. Anyway...
Do it Vivek, we're rooting for you.
Oh no. Anyway.
Don't threaten me with a good time
Is that supposed to be a consequence people take seriously?
Tell me you want to lose an election without telling me. Clearly you're only in it to make the number of people trump beat higher. Actively does not want to win.
I don't see any drawback to it. Why not make a bigger protest and withdraw from all 50 states? It's not like he needs them, since he is running for VP.
Don't stop there, own the libs by vowing not to be on the general election ballot either
Does he think this will convince anyone to change their decision?
Promise?
In related news: Chris Rock boycotts Rhiannas Panties.
Is that supposed to be a threat?
I wasn't going to vote for him anyway so this is fine. Keep yourself from winning enough electoral votes for all we care.
O noes... anyways
Hahahahaha!
Also last dude I knew named Vivek was a stalker so he's got that going for him.
Ok. 👍
Can we red carpet this ideology please? Let’s welcome this clown to do the same everywhere he goes!
Stop giving this guy attention.
It's all he wants and he wants it desperately.
First time I've heard of this guy lmao
Pretty much.
Ah yes, Vivek's daily "Twerking' For Trump" (or more accurately his supports) entry.
Good. Less idiots
Republicans are so desperate they'll try literally anything
Way to have a big swinging dick, my man… /s
Good!
What a cowardly buttkiss.
Lol. Doesn't have the votes huh?
Ramaswamy challenged Nikki Haley, Ron DeSantis and Chris Christie to follow his lead and takem themselves off the Maine ballot.
This is what an actual threat to democracy looks like. The system is hellbent on taking this man out, the Constitution be damned. I stand by my prior pledge to withdraw from any state’s ballot that ultimately removes Trump from its ballot. I call on DeSantis, Christie, and… — Vivek Ramaswamy (@VivekGRamaswamy) December 29, 2023
Ramaswamy made a similar dive for the spotlight after Colorado's Supreme Court ruled Trump's actions leading up to his supporters' bloody rampage through the Capitol on January 6 had rendered him ineligible for the presidency under the 14th Amendment. Ramaswamy's electoral self-immolation is currently on hold, since the vanquished president got back on the Rocky Mountain state's ballot pending a final determination by the U.S. Supreme Court.
Meanwhile, on Wednesday, the Michigan Supreme Court rejected a bid to remove Trump from the swing state's ballot.
Feck off. Fucking gnat.
Oh man, double benefit! It's a win-win!
“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”
— Napoleon Bonaparte
Ramaswamy's VP campaign continues. Most shameless Trump dick sucking since McCarthy went to Mar a Lago right after J6.
I think Trump names Ivanka as his VP. Unless he gets offered a deal where he can retire to Russia and let her and Kushner rot in jail instead of him.
I don't think he gets to choose, lol.
Nice, 2 for one. Anymore want to volunteer?
OH NO!!!
This is like when McCain in 2008, losing in the polls and running out of money, "paused his campaign to focus on the financial crisis." Pull back from spending money to "make a statement" and hope people see it as taking a principled stand and reward you for it.
Can he slob on the cheeto in chief's knob any harder?
Ok, bye! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
no no. please do let the door hit [vivek] on the way out. Preferably multiple times.
is this like a spanking thing?
Thats a paddlin
Your knowledge of the land shall be great.
Naw. not really. he'd enjoy that too much.
Unless I were to be paid enough.... (and to be perfectly blunt, I don't think he has enough money to pay "enough")
Remember everyone, Vivek rhymes with fake
5 voters will be disappointed
To prove that Donald Trump is indeed a manly man, Vivek Ramaswamy will suck every cock in Maine.
https://youtu.be/vxsPLXX1QLI
Don't threaten me with a good time!
Always such a joy when we get to bust that one out :)
Its like, "Wait, you're threatening me with 1) having my cake and 2) getting to eat it too?
Where do I sign?!
Vivek Ramaswamy's campaign also stopped all TV ad spending with less than a month to go before Iowa and New Hampshire. So yeah, this is the only way he can get any attention right now before he drops out in February and tries to become a right wing media personality.
Genuine question: what do righty folks actually think of him? Like its painful to watch him act like he's part of the gang...
Anecdotal, but my grandma who is very racist and conservative was confused why he was running because only natural born citizens can be president. Needless to say she was disappointed when I told her that he was born in Cincinnati.
Louisiana rednecks loved themselves some Bobby Jindal (former Republican governor of LA of subcontinental extraction). It doesn't really surprise me when racists are illogical about their racism - since racism is a fundamentally illogical thing in the first place.
They don't think, that's the problem isn't it?
K but all pithyness aside, how do they actually feel about him? It must be super weird to agree with someone who's parroting your nonsense but also that person's very existence and social worth is an object of your hatred
I suspect that while most conservatives would prefer someone more 'close to home', there's two things that may appeal:
Ultimately, few will opt for him over Trump, and their allegiance to him would likely be far more fickle, as they cannot identify with him as much.
What I found most plausible was the notion that he was running to soften Trump's image or something. Like he seemed even more over the top than even Trump and I don't know how any serious person pulls that off unless there's another orthogonal angle
I have two cousins who are half-Thai (their mother was a Thai woman brought to America by my uncle) who are virulent anti-immigrant white supremacists. It's especially weird because not only have they been the frequent victims of anti-asian discrimination, they also happen to look central american and have been the frequent victims of discrimination against that as well. I think the only thing that explains it is that they are absolutely dirt stupid.
I think people saw promise, he is clearly personally smart, but he has proven himself not up to the job at the debates. I think he'll get the Buttigieg treatment if Trump wins, set him up with some resume fodder and hope he runs in 12 years or something.
He comes across as beyond desperate. All of them do because they have very few facts on their side on most issues, I find. It would be torture to me to have to argue such absurd cases, they are basically paid actors.
You gotta hand it to the guy for getting his entry in for "least menacing threat of 2023" just under the wire.
he's hoping Trump will look at all his loyalty and overlook the fact that his skin is the wrong shade, and ask him to be his VP.
the thing is, Trump is a racist and will never over look that, the other thing is, Vivek is primarying against trump, and he's going to not over look that too.
Trump did put Ajit Pai in charge of the FCC.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajit_Pai
Trump probably just signed some stuff that was stuck in front of him. and by signed, I mean, pulled out his stamp collection and stamped it.
he probably has absolutely no idea who Ajit Pai is, or what the FCC is or, you know. anything else like that.
This guys political moves are based on this meme.
He knows he's not winning. This is either to try and be Trumps VP, or is to promote his books and podcast (or both).
This makes no sense in the context. Being on the me ballot doesn't win him anything, and might anger the maga base, or even trump himself, so it would hurt him. It's a no brainer from a political perspective to say he wouldnt go on the ballot.
Okay that was always allowed.
Two turds, one stone.
He will get the same number of votes either way.
He hurt himself in confusion!
Fascist piece of shit is race traitor, too dumb to realize he doesn't fit in with the GOP's plans for America's future.
Demographic groups that have increased amongst Republican voters over the last 3 elections include hispanic protestants, hispanic catholics, and black protestants.
Yeah, a lot of people are brainwashed by corporate propaganda, voting against their own interests 'cause they got fooled.
FTFY
Until the late 50s Democrats were the safe segregation vote, Brown v Brown in 54 got them some extreme segregationist populists even while the party overall was accommodating the demographic shifts that came with industrialization in the cities. Republicans successfully courted younger voters, and as deindustrialization hit the rural areas and created an economic glut, failure to invest in stimulus for these areas through successive administrations created a population angry at government for legitimate reasons ready to be courted by appealing and directing their base anxieties towards an internal "other."
It's only been since the 90s that the parties reached the internal consensus they're known for now. When Biden speaks about compromising and working "across the aisle" he's often referencing by name segregationist Democrats. The parties as single ideological units who consent to the same economic arrangement is very recent and creating this post-political stagnation where people have no political agency and are merely reacting to politics happening along ideological lines.
I think you're way late re: internal consensus. FDR set the model for democrats. It was apparent thereafter in every presidential election. Kennedy and Nixon, for example. The Dixiecrats dissolved in 1948.
There were still staunch Democrat segregationsts well into the early 70s, famously Wallace and Maddox. Wallace was Alabama governor until '68 and Maddox Georgia governor until '71.
Yeah, I suppose. Hard to believe him and RFK were in the same party. I guess I haven't thought much about what that means, if anything. At any rate, the path to change the DNC is from within, as Bernie did.
Look into redline mortgage laws and issues around housing developments in northern cities from the 60s to 90s. This was how racial division was perpetuated by northern white middle class liberals who became the consistent base for Democrats into the present day. Issues around property relations and the notion of the "neighborhood" which developers and mortgage brokers used to ensure blacks were segregated to low income areas. Even though a lot has been done to address these issues they're still very relevant to the generational wealth and have impacted a lot of issues around racism and the sort of programs the government has introduced to address it.
Some pop culture depictions of this... the HBO series "Show Me A Hero" with Oscar Isaac playing Yonkers mayor Nick Wasicsko, as his white middle class constituents fought against public housing developments. The Randy Newman song Rednecks is an infamous and shocking satire of the same issue written from the perspective of a (very) openly racist southerner.
Also can't recommend Barbara and Karen Fields' book "Racecraft" enough. Completely dissects what race is in America and how this notion of race came to be. A lot of well read people on the subject have praised it for completely changing their perspective on race. It's also completely readable and doesn't talk down to the reader or any of that bs (cough D'Angelo cough).
Doesn't make them any less of traitors if there are more of them. Even the white people who vote Trump are acting against their own interests.
Beta cuck is running for VP
SAD!
I want to upvote you, but goddamn do I hate that "cuck" word so much!
“Vivek Ramaswamy Vows Not to Be on Any Ballots if Not Invited to Next Debate.”
He knows he doesn't stand a chance in the primary so he's setting up a way to lose that he can try to blame on the Democrats.
I guess that may be too, but it looks like his primary aim is to be a VP with trump, and he is trying to show how loyal to him he is.
Oh no ...anyway.
This must be that leftist virtue signalling I heard so much about a couple of years back.
Dude, if you want to be Trump's VP pick, just ask.
Trump will be like "Ok, but you gotta change your name to Vince Ramaswamadingdong. I can't pronounce the other one."
......who?
hes the one that did that really cool rap about running politics.... well maybe cool is the wrong word
Win-win?
Not really. He would actually have to have a universe out there in the multiverse where he does win for this to be a factor. He doesn't win even a 1,000th of any single city (even if you counted country wide total as votes in one city) in this universe though.
Love when the trash takes itself out
Look! A scapegoat!
For a dude that pretends truth matters, he hasn't even accidentally told it once.
Oh good. A two for one. Any other Republican Candidates want to join Vivek?...No....? Come on...do it.
Well we need one of them to stay on the ballot, preferably Haley or Christie. I’m voting for Haley in the primary and I hope that millions of progressives, liberals, and moderates join me. It’s the only way we can stop Trump from potentially ruining the U.S. for good. Stopping him at the primary stage would be preferable to him potentially winning another general election.
Cool. Anyway...
Do it Vivek, we're rooting for you.
Oh no. Anyway.
Don't threaten me with a good time
Is that supposed to be a consequence people take seriously?
Tell me you want to lose an election without telling me. Clearly you're only in it to make the number of people trump beat higher. Actively does not want to win.
I don't see any drawback to it. Why not make a bigger protest and withdraw from all 50 states? It's not like he needs them, since he is running for VP.
Don't stop there, own the libs by vowing not to be on the general election ballot either
Does he think this will convince anyone to change their decision?
Promise?
In related news: Chris Rock boycotts Rhiannas Panties.
Is that supposed to be a threat?
I wasn't going to vote for him anyway so this is fine. Keep yourself from winning enough electoral votes for all we care.
O noes... anyways
Hahahahaha!
Also last dude I knew named Vivek was a stalker so he's got that going for him.
Ok. 👍
Can we red carpet this ideology please? Let’s welcome this clown to do the same everywhere he goes!
Stop giving this guy attention.
It's all he wants and he wants it desperately.
First time I've heard of this guy lmao
Pretty much.
Ah yes, Vivek's daily "Twerking' For Trump" (or more accurately his supports) entry.
Good. Less idiots
Republicans are so desperate they'll try literally anything
Way to have a big swinging dick, my man… /s
Good!
What a cowardly buttkiss.
Lol. Doesn't have the votes huh?
Feck off. Fucking gnat.
Oh man, double benefit! It's a win-win!
“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”
— Napoleon Bonaparte
Ramaswamy's VP campaign continues. Most shameless Trump dick sucking since McCarthy went to Mar a Lago right after J6.
I think Trump names Ivanka as his VP. Unless he gets offered a deal where he can retire to Russia and let her and Kushner rot in jail instead of him.
I don't think he gets to choose, lol.
Nice, 2 for one. Anymore want to volunteer?
OH NO!!!
This is like when McCain in 2008, losing in the polls and running out of money, "paused his campaign to focus on the financial crisis." Pull back from spending money to "make a statement" and hope people see it as taking a principled stand and reward you for it.
Can he slob on the cheeto in chief's knob any harder?
He is aiming for VP under Trump