Bro if that shit failed to perform then it's on them for failing to manufacture enough. The demand was there. And it out performed the Xbox whateverthefucknow.
Wasn't the reason they couldn't produce more because of the semiconductor shortage?
Partly, but scalpers buying up what inventory there was for reselling was absolutely rampant as well
Yeah, but then they still sold the unit. How would that hurt their sales numbers?
it put me off buying one. I’m probably not the only one.
Scalpers were holding a lot of them and raised the prices so ppl gave up and got another console or a PC altogether. This may not be majority but definitely a singinificant difference and just 1 example for that.
Yup. Sales numbers good, but brand loyalty down which isn't good for future sales
Correct
Bitch, you couldn't get one for a year cause of how quickly they were flying off the shelves. The fuck you mean it didn't sell well?
Well maybe now they aren't flying off shelves anymore ;)
Sales are slowing down because people are expecting a PS5 Pro.
600€ is insane for hardware that's already two generations behind. You can get a computer with better specs for 500€ and it can also do useful stuff while having cheaper games.
At 400€ I'd consider it, since I can actually hear the noise of the PS4 from the living room and through my headphones when my wife is playing it.
Not sure where you're looking, but it costs around 430€ here in the Czech Republic
The country that's almost as drunk, but good at hockey: Finland.
100%. I haven't had a call in probably a year asking about PS5s.
some folks gave up and ended up with an Xbox or PC. I helped a few friends build a gaming rig and get onto Steam after they got fed up getting sniped by bots on friggin best buy lol
Well...I mean...that was mainly because of the lack of stock... well and scalpers didn't help.
Like there was giveaways to get the opportunity to buy them... yeah sure they sold plenty but some people had to wait a long time to be able to get one and it wasn't because people went crazy buying them alone.
But yes it sold well with that I agree. That said nobody said it didn't sell well here so not sure where your comments comes from.
In the beginning of IGN'S post, it clearly says "after sales failed to meet expectations", which just means it didn't sell well.
To me it means what it says... They had some expectations and they didn't reach it.
At the end I guess is open to interpretation, but expectations sometimes are out of reality... some times they go higher either to sell it to inversors or they simply over estimate...
I wouldn't go as far as reading as them saying it didn't sell well, more like they expected more....
But Ok I admit it could be considered as such...
As someone who deals with business analytics/ budgeting, "not meeting sales expectations" is a 1:1 translation to "bad sales." Sony has R&D, manufacturing, and other "static" costs that need to be recouped with more unit sales--decent isn't enough when you're balancing everything around great.
(This translates to much of peak-covid -> "post"-covid business decision backlash. So much short-term thinking based on the economy being temporarily on crack with everyone at home).
What were their expectations? PS4 sold 117M globally. PS5 is currently 54M, and it was severely supply constrained by chip shortages at the beginning of its run. If this didn't meet expectations, then their expectations were out of wack.
I'm just doing the math, but if the ps4 sold for 200 at launch, Sony made about 23.4 billion, and if the ps5 cost 500 at launch, Sony made 27 billion. They made less sales yet still did better than with the Ps4.
PS4 was $400 at launch.
Though, tbh, it's game sales that drive their profits. Consoles themselves are on thin to negative margins.
Technically PC is a failed platform as it failed to meet my 2 quadrillion sales to date. It will never get a PC2.
The only non-failed platform is Java, which is used by 3 billion devices.
Wasn't windows xp PC2
Nah, PC2 was before Windows 3.0
Still holding out for PC3
My uncle works at PC so I have a PC3
Does the ps5 even have games yet?
Yeh 2 or 3 but normal people can't afford them due to the price of fucking everything going up a lot.
In seriousness I like how the ps5 feels to play but due to slow releases unless it's the last of us re re re master master deluxe lack of time or just not having a free 70 quid that month I buy 1 or 2 games a year.
Multiplayer games are not my thing.
I know what you mean, I'm more into division games than multipliers.
The one by Tom Clancy?
Hey eum, quick question, how Safe is this voyager app? And can I share like something quite serious but private? Or can I be traced when I say sensitive information?
What on earth are you talking about?
You're probably safe unless you're doing a terrorism or something.
But... Why are you asking here, of all places?
Eh?
Lots! Lots of exclusive games, though?
Armored Core and Rachet and Clank.
The only reasons we have a PS5 in this house.
I've armoured core on pc. My pc isn't even high spec and I can play 60fps at 1440.
That game is so well optimized
Both of those games are on PC
They are now. They weren't always.
Pretty sure AC went straight to PC, R&C was only slightly delayed and isn’t as big as it used to be anyway. Everyone was playing AC on PC when it came out
Armoured core 6 launched on pc at the same time as consoles. I know because I bought it day one on it.
I'm not the target demographic obviously but I used to have a PS2 and I was loosely following news, thinking of getting a PS5 during Covid but couldn't find one. Then I just stopped thinking about it until right now.
I bet there were a lot of people like me. Sales could have been much higher.
My wife and I just bought ours last November. We aren't getting anything else anytime soon, so good luck on selling more of the next gen.
Same here. It's new to us and a couple months old, and it doesn't exactly have a huge selection of PS5 optimized games suggestive of a mature platform. This wasn't just for finances but we didn't want to deal with the supply issues in the beginning.
Our console budget is spent for a good long time. And if they do jump to the next console quickly without properly investing in games for this one, that will undermine my trust in their future consoles.
I have such a huge backlog of games that I don't even have an urge to buy new games anymore. I know I can eventually get them at a huge discount later anyway.
Last October here. I'll be fine buying the PS5 version of PS6 games for the first few years.
I just want ONE GAME, I DON'T KNOW WHY
I BOUGHT A PS5 WITH NO GAMES TO BUY
WITH THAT IN MIND, I’M RESIGNED TO REBUY GTA 5
THEN I GOT HIGH
NOW I'M COMPILING A LINUX KERNEL, AND I KNOW WHY
KEEP THAT IN MIND, THEY DESIGNED THIS DRIVE TO IMPROVE LOADING TIMES
I bought my PS5 specifically because I was tired of waiting for 2 particular games to be ported to PC. Of course, the actual catalyst was getting an extra $1000 outta nowhere cuz otherwise I wouldn't have spent $700 for two games.
Which 2 games?
Bloodborne and Demon's Soul remake.
Conceivably worth it.
It was the new ratchet and clank which made me really want one. Every other exclusive apart from Spiderman 2 I actually haven't finished because I lose interest in them. And no I'm not depressed before some armchair Dr tries to explain to me like I've had on Reddit before.
have you tried weed?
i find that helps me hold interest in games...
Maybe you’re just depressed…
Joking!
I’ve been the same way with some games, I just feel like I’ve seen enough and am ready to put it down.
I would‘ve got one but after Sony fucked their own IP and me having to deal with their customer „support“ I‘m sticking to PC.
“Latter stage of its life cycle” basically means anything past the halfway point, and it’s already been out for like 4 years.
Considering how long it has taken for PS4 games to stop being published and for PS5 games to really get going, it’ll be a relevant console for several more years at least.
It’s not like it falls apart the second the PS6 is announced. I don’t like the thought of an accelerated console lifecycle either but this is such a vague statement a LOT of these reactions seems a little extreme for now.
3 years and a couple months.
Right, and the PS4 was released in late 2013, so its lifecycle from then to the release of the PS5 was 7 years.
So being in the latter part of the PS5’s cycle is basically on par with the PS4, which only just saw its last new licensed title I believe.
Further evidence, the PS5 JUST got a mid cycle refresh, indicating essentially a halfway point. It’s all speculation but to me this timeline seems basically in line with every previous generation.
Playstation/PS One: 1994-2000 (6 years)
PS2: 2000-2006 (6 years)
PS3: 2006-2013 (7 years)
PS4: 2013-2020 (7 years)
PS5: 2020- (3+ years so far)
Huh for some reason I had 10 years stuck in my head.
Would love to see those numbers go up
They are still releasing games for PS4... it will be fine.
Is this like "PS5 isn't doing well, you should say your goodbyes while you can", or "latter comes after earlier" and can mean anything?
Half way between. They want to beat Nintendo to the next hardware release, but they won’t. So probably two more years till the new stuff comes out, but 4 or 5 till it stops getting support and new releases.
There hasn't been enough progression in hardware. It isn't the 2000s anymore. If they release something soon, even within the next couple years, it will perform even worse than the PS5.
Also even if there was a quantum tech leap, if there even appetite for it except among gear heads and enthusiasts? It's not like the hardware is falling apart like a cyber truck in a trail yard or anything
Still lasted longer than the vita
Despite it being less supported by Sony during it’s lifetime
Meanwhile the PS4 hasn't even reached the former stage of it's life cycle.
Meanwhile the Xbox SeX was dead on arrival.
Impotent you might say.
C-suite should have chatted with their own people in manufacturing, I reckon
I'm over here still playing on my PS3.
When I got married I inherited the first three generations. We put up some little shelves ordered by generation and all five of them still get played. PS3 included. It released with some awesome games.
I love the PS3, and I'm so happy we can emulate it now. Even rhythm games work well, which is crazy.
Maybe if you actually stocked the fucking console in a store, people might have bought one
I bought a PS5 so I could play PS4 games without having a jet engine in my living room and it's absolutely fantastic for that. Also Demon's Souls was very pretty and faithful to the original, very fun to get the platinum. Returnal was ok too.
All about money. Instead of making good, solid, real games that don't take up 999 wtfabytes in textures and other graphical bling with other gimmicky crap even further bloating it, we get style over substance crap that gives these rich-ass console makers more and more excuses to crank out yet another iteration of their "NEW! 0.00001% BETTER THAN THE PREVIOUS GENERATION!" dead-ass consoles that should have died long ago when PC gaming took over -- not because PC graphics are better, but because PCs can do more and do EVERYTHING better.
Gaming is in a sad state right now and people don't even realize it. I honestly think if people would force themselves to see what old (80s and very early 90s) gaming offers and understand the difference in good games and style over substance trash, they'd understand how much of a clusterfuck modern gaming is. Sure, there's a small handful of good titles floating around these days, but nowhere near the amount and quality of gaming in, say, the NES days where there are more high quality games on that single console than there has been on every console in the last 15 or so years.
And I know modern gamers are going to cry about this post. Too bad. Has to be said.
Gaming is in a sad state right now and people don’t even realize it.
I haven't noticed it because I'm watching the AAA gaming industry from afar instead of participating. BotW is about the only game from a major developer that I've given a shit about in the last 10 years, and only that because I'm a sucker for Zelda.
We're in a golden age of indie titles, and they deserve your money a lot more than the Ubisofts and Activisions of the world.
Honestly, a profoundly weird experience that I had recently... was playing Dragonstrike (released in 1992 I think?) for DOS, for the first time.
Objectively this game is the very definition of 'limited by the technology of its time'. It's a flight sim made before a mouse was a standard computer accessory. I think the biggest in-game sprites are maybe 50 by 50 pixels. It's outstandingly difficult to play.
And yet... compared to modern games, when I'm playing this, it really just hits me over and over again how they made every single decision correctly. The game has an excellent premise. The storytelling may be simple but it's good. The core gameplay loop is fun, and your kit feels like it's complete and well-made, and there's no stupid gacha mechanics or grinding or oversexualized poster girl or daily quests to try and force you to play X amount of hours. It's just for fun. And it IS fun, despite the most unbelievably dated graphics I've ever seen. If this game was made just a few years later, it would've been outstanding.
....but nowhere near the amount and quality of gaming in, say, the NES days where there are more high quality games on that single console than there has been on every console in the last 15 or so years.
Now lets not romanticize older systems. As someone who grew up playing the original NES, I agree the console had a MASSIVE library of games in its hayday, but I would say less than half of them were even worth a shit. But you're right, current consoles are simply leaning hard on "Look at how pretty it is" rather than actual quality gameplay.
Right? I feel like AVGN has lasted so long simply because he can throw a dart at a list of non-first party NES titles and ht one of the worst fucking games of all time.
What said it all really was that Shaun Layden, literally a day 1 PlayStation employee who climbed up to head of Worldwide Studios fuckin dipped before the PS5 and ever since, he's been warning about the absurd costs of AAA development.
I, through no influence of my own, obtained both an Xbox and PS5 in the past two months lol. Xbox was free and PS5 was used and heavily discounted with a bunch of games. It's been great playing the last two gens of games that were console exclusive and playing my old 360 games with fast loading times. Lots of fable 2 recently
What the hell are they doing!? It has like two exclusive games, and the only good ones are Astro's Playroom, the Spider-Man games, and Final Fantasy XVI.
Maybe make it small enough so I have somewhere to put the dang thing.
Bro if that shit failed to perform then it's on them for failing to manufacture enough. The demand was there. And it out performed the Xbox whateverthefucknow.
Wasn't the reason they couldn't produce more because of the semiconductor shortage?
Partly, but scalpers buying up what inventory there was for reselling was absolutely rampant as well
Yeah, but then they still sold the unit. How would that hurt their sales numbers?
it put me off buying one. I’m probably not the only one.
Scalpers were holding a lot of them and raised the prices so ppl gave up and got another console or a PC altogether. This may not be majority but definitely a singinificant difference and just 1 example for that.
Yup. Sales numbers good, but brand loyalty down which isn't good for future sales
Correct
Bitch, you couldn't get one for a year cause of how quickly they were flying off the shelves. The fuck you mean it didn't sell well?
Well maybe now they aren't flying off shelves anymore ;)
Sales are slowing down because people are expecting a PS5 Pro.
600€ is insane for hardware that's already two generations behind. You can get a computer with better specs for 500€ and it can also do useful stuff while having cheaper games.
At 400€ I'd consider it, since I can actually hear the noise of the PS4 from the living room and through my headphones when my wife is playing it.
Not sure where you're looking, but it costs around 430€ here in the Czech Republic
The country that's almost as drunk, but good at hockey: Finland.
100%. I haven't had a call in probably a year asking about PS5s.
some folks gave up and ended up with an Xbox or PC. I helped a few friends build a gaming rig and get onto Steam after they got fed up getting sniped by bots on friggin best buy lol
Well...I mean...that was mainly because of the lack of stock... well and scalpers didn't help.
Like there was giveaways to get the opportunity to buy them... yeah sure they sold plenty but some people had to wait a long time to be able to get one and it wasn't because people went crazy buying them alone.
But yes it sold well with that I agree. That said nobody said it didn't sell well here so not sure where your comments comes from.
In the beginning of IGN'S post, it clearly says "after sales failed to meet expectations", which just means it didn't sell well.
To me it means what it says... They had some expectations and they didn't reach it.
At the end I guess is open to interpretation, but expectations sometimes are out of reality... some times they go higher either to sell it to inversors or they simply over estimate...
I wouldn't go as far as reading as them saying it didn't sell well, more like they expected more....
But Ok I admit it could be considered as such...
As someone who deals with business analytics/ budgeting, "not meeting sales expectations" is a 1:1 translation to "bad sales." Sony has R&D, manufacturing, and other "static" costs that need to be recouped with more unit sales--decent isn't enough when you're balancing everything around great.
(This translates to much of peak-covid -> "post"-covid business decision backlash. So much short-term thinking based on the economy being temporarily on crack with everyone at home).
What were their expectations? PS4 sold 117M globally. PS5 is currently 54M, and it was severely supply constrained by chip shortages at the beginning of its run. If this didn't meet expectations, then their expectations were out of wack.
I'm just doing the math, but if the ps4 sold for 200 at launch, Sony made about 23.4 billion, and if the ps5 cost 500 at launch, Sony made 27 billion. They made less sales yet still did better than with the Ps4.
PS4 was $400 at launch.
Though, tbh, it's game sales that drive their profits. Consoles themselves are on thin to negative margins.
Technically PC is a failed platform as it failed to meet my 2 quadrillion sales to date. It will never get a PC2.
The only non-failed platform is Java, which is used by 3 billion devices.
Wasn't windows xp PC2
Nah, PC2 was before Windows 3.0
Still holding out for PC3
My uncle works at PC so I have a PC3
Does the ps5 even have games yet?
Yeh 2 or 3 but normal people can't afford them due to the price of fucking everything going up a lot.
In seriousness I like how the ps5 feels to play but due to slow releases unless it's the last of us re re re master master deluxe lack of time or just not having a free 70 quid that month I buy 1 or 2 games a year.
Multiplayer games are not my thing.
I know what you mean, I'm more into division games than multipliers.
The one by Tom Clancy?
Hey eum, quick question, how Safe is this voyager app? And can I share like something quite serious but private? Or can I be traced when I say sensitive information?
What on earth are you talking about?
You're probably safe unless you're doing a terrorism or something.
But... Why are you asking here, of all places?
Eh?
Lots! Lots of exclusive games, though?
Armored Core and Rachet and Clank.
The only reasons we have a PS5 in this house.
I've armoured core on pc. My pc isn't even high spec and I can play 60fps at 1440.
That game is so well optimized
Both of those games are on PC
They are now. They weren't always.
Pretty sure AC went straight to PC, R&C was only slightly delayed and isn’t as big as it used to be anyway. Everyone was playing AC on PC when it came out
Armoured core 6 launched on pc at the same time as consoles. I know because I bought it day one on it.
I'm not the target demographic obviously but I used to have a PS2 and I was loosely following news, thinking of getting a PS5 during Covid but couldn't find one. Then I just stopped thinking about it until right now.
I bet there were a lot of people like me. Sales could have been much higher.
My wife and I just bought ours last November. We aren't getting anything else anytime soon, so good luck on selling more of the next gen.
Same here. It's new to us and a couple months old, and it doesn't exactly have a huge selection of PS5 optimized games suggestive of a mature platform. This wasn't just for finances but we didn't want to deal with the supply issues in the beginning.
Our console budget is spent for a good long time. And if they do jump to the next console quickly without properly investing in games for this one, that will undermine my trust in their future consoles.
I have such a huge backlog of games that I don't even have an urge to buy new games anymore. I know I can eventually get them at a huge discount later anyway.
Last October here. I'll be fine buying the PS5 version of PS6 games for the first few years.
I just want ONE GAME, I DON'T KNOW WHY
I BOUGHT A PS5 WITH NO GAMES TO BUY
WITH THAT IN MIND, I’M RESIGNED TO REBUY GTA 5
THEN I GOT HIGH
NOW I'M COMPILING A LINUX KERNEL, AND I KNOW WHY
KEEP THAT IN MIND, THEY DESIGNED THIS DRIVE TO IMPROVE LOADING TIMES
I bought my PS5 specifically because I was tired of waiting for 2 particular games to be ported to PC. Of course, the actual catalyst was getting an extra $1000 outta nowhere cuz otherwise I wouldn't have spent $700 for two games.
Which 2 games?
Bloodborne and Demon's Soul remake.
Conceivably worth it.
It was the new ratchet and clank which made me really want one. Every other exclusive apart from Spiderman 2 I actually haven't finished because I lose interest in them. And no I'm not depressed before some armchair Dr tries to explain to me like I've had on Reddit before.
have you tried weed?
i find that helps me hold interest in games...
Maybe you’re just depressed…
Joking!
I’ve been the same way with some games, I just feel like I’ve seen enough and am ready to put it down.
I would‘ve got one but after Sony fucked their own IP and me having to deal with their customer „support“ I‘m sticking to PC.
“Latter stage of its life cycle” basically means anything past the halfway point, and it’s already been out for like 4 years.
Considering how long it has taken for PS4 games to stop being published and for PS5 games to really get going, it’ll be a relevant console for several more years at least.
It’s not like it falls apart the second the PS6 is announced. I don’t like the thought of an accelerated console lifecycle either but this is such a vague statement a LOT of these reactions seems a little extreme for now.
3 years and a couple months.
Right, and the PS4 was released in late 2013, so its lifecycle from then to the release of the PS5 was 7 years.
So being in the latter part of the PS5’s cycle is basically on par with the PS4, which only just saw its last new licensed title I believe.
Further evidence, the PS5 JUST got a mid cycle refresh, indicating essentially a halfway point. It’s all speculation but to me this timeline seems basically in line with every previous generation.
Playstation/PS One: 1994-2000 (6 years)
PS2: 2000-2006 (6 years)
PS3: 2006-2013 (7 years)
PS4: 2013-2020 (7 years)
PS5: 2020- (3+ years so far)
Huh for some reason I had 10 years stuck in my head.
Would love to see those numbers go up
They are still releasing games for PS4... it will be fine.
Is this like "PS5 isn't doing well, you should say your goodbyes while you can", or "latter comes after earlier" and can mean anything?
Half way between. They want to beat Nintendo to the next hardware release, but they won’t. So probably two more years till the new stuff comes out, but 4 or 5 till it stops getting support and new releases.
There hasn't been enough progression in hardware. It isn't the 2000s anymore. If they release something soon, even within the next couple years, it will perform even worse than the PS5.
Also even if there was a quantum tech leap, if there even appetite for it except among gear heads and enthusiasts? It's not like the hardware is falling apart like a cyber truck in a trail yard or anything
Still lasted longer than the vita
Despite it being less supported by Sony during it’s lifetime
Meanwhile the PS4 hasn't even reached the former stage of it's life cycle.
Meanwhile the Xbox SeX was dead on arrival.
Impotent you might say.
C-suite should have chatted with their own people in manufacturing, I reckon
I'm over here still playing on my PS3.
When I got married I inherited the first three generations. We put up some little shelves ordered by generation and all five of them still get played. PS3 included. It released with some awesome games.
I love the PS3, and I'm so happy we can emulate it now. Even rhythm games work well, which is crazy.
Maybe if you actually stocked the fucking console in a store, people might have bought one
I bought a PS5 so I could play PS4 games without having a jet engine in my living room and it's absolutely fantastic for that. Also Demon's Souls was very pretty and faithful to the original, very fun to get the platinum. Returnal was ok too.
All about money. Instead of making good, solid, real games that don't take up 999 wtfabytes in textures and other graphical bling with other gimmicky crap even further bloating it, we get style over substance crap that gives these rich-ass console makers more and more excuses to crank out yet another iteration of their "NEW! 0.00001% BETTER THAN THE PREVIOUS GENERATION!" dead-ass consoles that should have died long ago when PC gaming took over -- not because PC graphics are better, but because PCs can do more and do EVERYTHING better.
Gaming is in a sad state right now and people don't even realize it. I honestly think if people would force themselves to see what old (80s and very early 90s) gaming offers and understand the difference in good games and style over substance trash, they'd understand how much of a clusterfuck modern gaming is. Sure, there's a small handful of good titles floating around these days, but nowhere near the amount and quality of gaming in, say, the NES days where there are more high quality games on that single console than there has been on every console in the last 15 or so years.
And I know modern gamers are going to cry about this post. Too bad. Has to be said.
I haven't noticed it because I'm watching the AAA gaming industry from afar instead of participating. BotW is about the only game from a major developer that I've given a shit about in the last 10 years, and only that because I'm a sucker for Zelda.
We're in a golden age of indie titles, and they deserve your money a lot more than the Ubisofts and Activisions of the world.
Honestly, a profoundly weird experience that I had recently... was playing Dragonstrike (released in 1992 I think?) for DOS, for the first time.
Objectively this game is the very definition of 'limited by the technology of its time'. It's a flight sim made before a mouse was a standard computer accessory. I think the biggest in-game sprites are maybe 50 by 50 pixels. It's outstandingly difficult to play.
And yet... compared to modern games, when I'm playing this, it really just hits me over and over again how they made every single decision correctly. The game has an excellent premise. The storytelling may be simple but it's good. The core gameplay loop is fun, and your kit feels like it's complete and well-made, and there's no stupid gacha mechanics or grinding or oversexualized poster girl or daily quests to try and force you to play X amount of hours. It's just for fun. And it IS fun, despite the most unbelievably dated graphics I've ever seen. If this game was made just a few years later, it would've been outstanding.
Now lets not romanticize older systems. As someone who grew up playing the original NES, I agree the console had a MASSIVE library of games in its hayday, but I would say less than half of them were even worth a shit. But you're right, current consoles are simply leaning hard on "Look at how pretty it is" rather than actual quality gameplay.
Right? I feel like AVGN has lasted so long simply because he can throw a dart at a list of non-first party NES titles and ht one of the worst fucking games of all time.
What said it all really was that Shaun Layden, literally a day 1 PlayStation employee who climbed up to head of Worldwide Studios fuckin dipped before the PS5 and ever since, he's been warning about the absurd costs of AAA development.
I, through no influence of my own, obtained both an Xbox and PS5 in the past two months lol. Xbox was free and PS5 was used and heavily discounted with a bunch of games. It's been great playing the last two gens of games that were console exclusive and playing my old 360 games with fast loading times. Lots of fable 2 recently
What the hell are they doing!? It has like two exclusive games, and the only good ones are Astro's Playroom, the Spider-Man games, and Final Fantasy XVI.
Maybe make it small enough so I have somewhere to put the dang thing.