Andrew Tate ‘raped and strangled us’ - women tell BBC

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Two women who say they were raped and strangled by the controversial social media influencer Andrew Tate have spoken to the BBC about their experiences.

Another woman has alleged, for the first time, she was raped by Mr Tate’s younger brother, Tristan - also an influencer with millions of followers.

The Tate brothers, aged 37 and 36, currently face charges in Romania of human trafficking and forming an organised group to sexually exploit women. Andrew Tate is also charged with rape.

If found guilty, the two men could be jailed for more than 10 years. They strongly deny the charges against them.

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It's always the ones you most expect.

“Who could have predicted this”

I hate that I even know who this disgusting asshole is.

I hate that so many teenage boys are fans of him.

Yeah, that pert is theuch bigger problem, kids actually look up to him.

My step children's real father is a big fan of Tate and keeps telling them how awesome he is and how they should follow nhik in his footsteps.

Thankfully, the kids think he's a loser who abuses women.

There are so few good male role models for teenage boys. I would have said John Cena at one point, but he's decided to shill for the CCP, so not him either. I honestly don't know who teenage boys can turn to at this point.

Maybe young men should build a role-model construct of good qualities they see rather than idolize a single patriarchal figure and seek to emulate them, including their flaws.

Speaking as someone who was fortunate to have a decent dad, and a decent step dad, who were radically different.

Plenty of kids do not have decent male role models in their life though. That's part of the problem. So they turn to the internet and find people like Tate.

I really have no idea how we fix that on the internet. I guess volunteer for big brothers/big sisters if you can.

Ah right, it’s on the children to build their own role models

That isn’t a fair expectation

And why should a random snot-nosed kiddo do that while not having a role model to advise it. Sure, boys have no issue looking for role models when none are in their immediate surroundings -- but then you also run the risk of them seeing "oh, people with money are respected" (after all, capitalism and everything) and "Oh, Tate has money and is confident and is talking to me". The rest is tragedy.

...kinda generational, btw: Reportedly Tate got the way he got by seeing some guy in a Lambo or something (literally or figuratively) spitting on a mechanic or something and saying to himself that he's going to be the guy with the Lambo.

such wisdom in these words. i’ve long speculated that our lived experience growing up in a capitalist system (at least the one we’re in) severely warps our concept of admiration in peripheral but profound ways. we don’t have heros, we have brands. tate is a brand, musk is a brand, theil is a brand, as is cena and rogan and so many other influencers. because being a brand makes the vibe/essence/aesthetic being projected feel both real and posessable. it has effectively replaced our social framework for developing an identity with algorithmically profitable assimilation. values? an eye for opportunity is all you really need to be successful.

the reality is we are all beautifully flawed, with gifts and deficits that all deserve to be acknowledged in equal measure.

No one is safe from the gods we create, they all turn on us.

This is the pick yourself up by your bootstraps version of raising a child. You can't seriously expect a 12 year old to have enough wisdom and initiative to do this? Why do we have this unrealistic expectation that men are super capable and just choose to be failures? It's the same system that fails everybody else, that's also failing them

You got a solution, or anything new to add to the conversation? Or are you just going to whine like everyone else?

Cause frankly, I don't have a fix for this. At least not one that is overly authoritarian, like controlling every piece of media that is available to children, and creating a guide for what characteristics of different role models should be emulated, and what should be avoided.

Maybe at a certain point, it is up to the individual to form their own set of desirable positive characteristics and seek to incorporate those traits into themselves. We can't (or really shouldn't) just thought and content police everything for every child. They have growth and developement that the must do for themselves, no one else can do it for them.

Are you also against diverse representation in media? That's been pushed for years, and to an extent we've succeeded. There's no reason we can't do the same for male role models

Jason Momoa, Henry Cavill, Hugh Jackman, Dave Bautista, Ryan Reynolds, Guy Fieri to name a few

How many of those are talking about how to, bluntly put, score gals and become a man you yourself respect. "Is famous, male, and not an asshole" doesn't really suffice as credentials, here.

It's almost like having the life objective to "score gals" isn't a very healthy or good goal to begin with. It's fine to be promiscuous and have lots of partners, but I don't believe the mannosphere is the way to get there.

Where, from "bluntly put, score gals" (note the "bluntly") did you get to "life goal" and "promiscuous"? Unless you're ace once puberty hits you're out there trying to get laid. Either sex, everything in between and laterally. Are you trying to shame people for their biological impulses, are you from a cripplingly puritan culture or something.

I'm sorry, but most people can go through puberty without masturbating in class (something I've been unfortunate to witness). You can have a healthy view on sex even in your teenage hormone phase. That's what sex positive education is about. Those teenagers that crave sex will have it, so it's best to just educate how to be safe about it. Andrew Tate and Trump are the exact opposites of being safe and having fun. Coercing or forcing yourself upon another person is the opposite of good sex. Yes, teenagers make mistakes, but the best we can do is shut down and call Tate and co out for the absolute incels they are.

I’m sorry, but most people can go through puberty without masturbating in class

What the fuck are you on about. Why are you bringing up random shit like that. That's the sexual equivalent of smearing shit on the wall, likely due to severe personal trauma/neurosis, and definitely not something that can be addressed by internet role models. It's a case for a psychologist. It also has nothing to do with dating advise.

Andrew Tate and Trump are the exact opposites of being safe and having fun.

I don't think anyone in this whole thread disagrees. Certainly not me. What they do do though is telling you to grab em by the pussy, that's absolutely terrible advise (unless you're in an established relationship then YMMV), but it is advise and in the absence of good advise that's what some kids will latch onto.

They have desires, they have questions on how to go about fulfilling those. If they came to you and asked how to become a doctor, welder, or fashion designer, you'd probably be happy to oblige, but when it comes to finding a sexual partner? Generally, either crickets or terrible advise. From all directions. Most of my dates I got out of organically starting play fights during ordinary hanging out, and if you don't have the attitude to pull it off naturally and without thinking with your dick when doing that that's also terrible advise. But at least it's not lying about the "be nice" / "she's going to hook up with an asshole anyway" (apparent) paradox: There's a difference between harmless and peaceful. Loom like a rollercoaster: Intimidating, yes, but not dangerous. If she wants a ride, she'll get on. How did I learn that? Probably has something to do with my bigger sisters gang-tickling me.

Which, actually, brings me to another structural problem: Kids have too few siblings nowadays and at least in many countries kindergarten, daycares etc. are terrible when it comes to fostering proper social development. In the US they probably arrest 3yolds for stealing scrunchies and sentence them as adults. You don't learn conflict resolution if there's no conflicts around, you don't learn forgiveness if there's nothing people can be sorry for because everything is wrapped in sterile bubble wrap. You also don't learn it if an adult thinks forcing someone to say "sorry" is a resolution, ground zero for tokenism right there.

but the best we can do is shut down and call Tate and co out for the absolute incels they are.

Defeatist. Seriously. "The best we can do"? That attitude is toxic.

Why so many actors?

Actors are generally the most well known celebrities

But we generally only see the characters they play.

5 years ago Will Smith may have been on that list.

Eh, idk, these actors have generally struck me as pretty decent people. 5 years ago we already knew Will Smith was a Scientologist.

There are good male role models. It's just that they are much, much harder to make money off.

Which bloody sucks.

I can think of several, but it's so cringe to say any of them. There's a disdain for do-gooders in all societies, but especially American society. Which means that it's just not cool to admire someone who is simply a good person.

You don't only have to look to living people:

Living People:

Idk Mark Rober has got that scam school thing going on now.

It is getting a little obnoxious. But still mostly on the good side.

What, Marcus Aurelius and Zeno (not the one who can't shoot arrows btw) but no Diogenes?

To be fair, Diogenes was a cunt of the highest order. Love his work; but not a good role model.

He was not the cunt they deserved, but the cunt they needed.

But yes don't embrace statutes.

Emperor Norton, mayhaps?

I know little of him. Only what I pick up occasionally. Some alpha male dude bro. I'm content with my level of familiarity.

"controversial"

“Massive cunt”

“Influencer”

I always wondered who would be influenced by such people, I've realized it would be controversial massive cunts.

Hmm I can see a pattern emerging here

I think the vast majority of his haters are from bitter.

Edit: fuck knows what I was trying to say here.

I think the vast majority of his haters

Well yeah. Because you know, he's a rapist.

It's pretty pathetic that an "alpha male" cannot pull a girl.

It's because they're alpha version. They haven't gone through beta testing, been selected as a release candidate, sent to QA and finally released. They're only alpha.

I have been released as "stable" yet am very unstable. Can I hold my PM accountable?

He hasn't even got as far as a pull request to the main branch.

Why haven’t these two anal cysts been tried yet? JUST GET ON WITH IT AND THROW THEM IN PRISON. I know that it takes time to put together a solid case, but damn.

people forget it took 10+ years to put epstein in jail

He was arrested, tried, convicted, and then released by one of Trump's USAs only to get arrested and tried again decade later. Incidentally, Bill Gates got on a plane with Epstein in 2014, five years after his original conviction. I'm convinced the only reason Epstein eventually got put to a permanent end is that he ran out of money.

There really is no end to the amount of bullshit rich people can get away with.

they're rich lmao

Yeah not really either. Remember that these are lying assholes and a lot of the riches he was showing off was rented just to make people think they were uber rich

they're rich AND a lot of people who should be arresting and prosecuting him have likely committed sex crimes themselves.

And they got mad when he pointed it out but Romania is actually pretty corrupt, that's the whole reason they were there.

Please provide evidence for your accusations otherwise shut the hell up.

He is a disgusting individual who frankly deserves to spend the rest of his life in prison and you are excusing his crimes on baseless accusations. What is wrong with you?

nobody is excusing him - I'm pointing out there are lots of reports of police assaulting women. Its frequent enough most major US papers have an article on costs cities pay associated with settling these allegations.

He's literally in prison assault and kidnapping already.

I know little about Romanian law, but due process generally means cases like this move very slowly.

This dude is one ugly mother fucker. Looks like one of the peasant NPCs from Witcher 3

He looks like the Stonks meme guy. No seriously...

That's a bit unfair to the stonks meme guy, fella is rocking that style.

Even if I hate him I can't agree that he is ugly, at worst he's average

That’s why he has to take on all this “masculinity” theater. Actually successful men are quiet about it.

I bet you he pumps himself full of testosterone and HGH and that's still the manliest he can look

Very disgusting of Tate.

I have never heard anything about him that isn't disgusting.

Anybody who legitimately gets giddy-as-fuck over the thought of a Muslim woman being stoned to death for adultery should not be trusted with dating advice. Yet somehow this asshole has a social media following of millions, has indoctornated a lot of young people into misogynistic views (I know secondary school teachers who have seen pupils gobble up lots of Andrew Tate content), has eluded bans from mainstream social media (his shit is still all over YouTube), and still has a following despite facing rape and human trafficking charges and being on EUROPOL's wanted list.

Isn't this at all concerning, and a big sign that society is failing men?

“… but but but, he told me to workout…. He can’t be a bad guy….”

Not entirely surprising considering their openly misogynistic views.

Shame so many people use him as a role model, he's very dangerous.

not really surprised since he has sexist views and i have seen people use ai to make him say slurs

I hate Andrew Tate, but accusations against "high profile" people shouldn't just be taken as proof. Otherwise people can get silenced by paying a few women to make such accusations.

I hope the truth comes to light, and a good sentence is given if deemed guilty.

The difference is that if a few women accused me of rape they wouldn’t be believed because I don’t give off the impression that I’m a piece of shit that hates women.

When a shitload of women accuse Tate however, the response is correctly “yea that checks out”.

Hates - no. But giving off the impression of being weird is not that hard. I'm certain quite a few people would believe something like this about me purely due to being a sunlight-avoiding wimp bad with words (in verbal conversations).

So due process is a good thing. For each Andrew Tate there are a few dozens at least of people whom "the society" would eagerly accuse simply because of being asocial and weird. Like that folk psychology with red flags, manipulations and other shit. People practicing it can wound an autist. But I seriously doubt those would help them avoid a serial maniac.

Ah yes the "he looks like a criminal" card. Great.

This is the third woman, so it most likely will be true. But we don't have all the facts.

This is not about his looks, but about the misogynistic content he creates. If you are accused of rape, and you openly talk about coercing women into sexual acts I’d say that it checks out.

Please for the love of God go watch his content and then come back and tell me that you think there is even the most microscopic chance that he is innocent of literally any crime ever.

Regardless, we're not judges. We're people on the internet with almost no substantial information.

You almost got there you almost managed to get it. The court of public opinion is not a real court so it doesn't matter and he's an asshole so who cares.

"he looks like a criminal"

Watch any content of him opening his mouth, it just reeks of misogyny. So yeah since he’s reported, it checks out.

accusations against “high profile” people shouldn’t just be taken as proof

Yeah. I find it highly suspicious that a guy who got famous for being the loudest misogynist on YouTube would be accused of practicing what he preaches. This would be like if someone accused Mike Tyson of hitting him. Or Tucker Carlson of lying. Or Ben Affleck cheating on his wife. Or OJ Simpson of committing a murder.

You have to take this shit with a huge boulder of salt, because... come on. What are the odds?

I hope the truth comes to light

Hearts out to all those possibly wrongfully accused rapists and sex traffickers. Andrew Tate, Harvey Weinstein, Neil Gaiman, Ron Jeremy. Really hope we can clear aside the dozens and dozens of testimonials from people accusing them of wrongdoing and find a piece of evidence I won't casually dismiss.

The worst part is they are usually cleared on some sort of bullshit technicality: "Oh, you didn't dot your I's in your rape report, so your statement isn't valid".

You can use circumstantial evidence to know this guy is guilty. The classes he sold about pimping. Him fleeing to Romania because as he said it's harder to get convicted of sex trafficking. The previous reports on him by other women.

Can you document for me one case where such accusations against a high profile individual were shown in the fullness of time to be hired fraud?

There probably is some case like that out there - I’m not saying it’s impossible. But given the past we come from, where women were objects without status, I find it very believable that sexual assault is quite common. I need some reason to take your counterpoint as seriously.

So please, show me that one clear case where we found out that the woman had been paid by political enemies to create false accusations.

EDIT: 3 days later, still waiting.

That has never in the entire history of the human race being an individual who looks more guilty than he does. He gives off rapist energy, out of every pour, how can you possibly be defending him?

When he was born the midwives probably said oh here's a bad one.

That has never in the entire history of the human race being an individual who looks more guilty than he does. He gives off rapist energy

Completely agree. Too bad that's not proof of anything, we're supposed to learn that in grade school

how can you possibly be defending him?

They didn't, they simply reminded everyone that accusations are not in and of themselves proof even if we dislike the person immensely

Yeah but there is proof literally everything he has ever done proves that this is 100% in his personality to do also he's done it in the past so it's not just that I don't like him he has form.

Julian Assange raped too. Raped the CIA and Pentagon.

don't compare Tate to Assange. Tate is a common criminal who is dumb enough to go on camera and made howto videos on human trafficking and then tried to sell them to kids.

Is there any evidence or at this point are there only accusations?

Would there be any evidence that could satisfy you, or are you just looking for a reason to dismiss this?

I hate how relevant this question is in so many situations.

Accusations from multiple sources that are credible enough for action to be taken.

Tater top drank from his own kool-aid and thought by moving to Eastern Europe, he could get away with this.

This is a fair question... If it was just one or two accusations. But that is not the case here Tate is a monster and his last moments should be pure suffering and fear. Fuck him and fuck his life.

I agree with Fuck that dude, but like... A "high profile" dude can have accusations coming out of the woodwork. I absolutely hate this dude but it would be unjust to send someone to prison over only accusations. I understand that sexual assault is damn near impossible to prove. I don't know what the correct course is but I can't justify punishment that may be unjust.

The allegations surrounding tate are more extreme than epstein and he has many recorded instances of himself describing the methods. This is a case that in US court would probably be easier to prosecute.

Fair enough. I don't know much about it and the comments that I did read revolved around hearsay. As much as I am not a fan of that dude, it'd be a crime in itself to lock someone away without evidence. If he's incriminating himself by self admission, then that's on him.

I get the desire to respond to current events but there's nothing wrong with being a bit curious about why people don't like the guy. Its weird to have so much grace for some random dude and none for the people criticizing him.

The media has sort of tossed him in with the "people who upset feminists" camp but like mostly its his "howto commit human trafficking" type videos that are generating criminal lawsuits.

if you read the article, the moron texted one of his victims talking about how he raped her. yes, there's evidence.