Trump told donors he will crush pro-Palestinian protests, deport demonstrators
washingtonpost.com
Trump has waffled on whether the Israel-Gaza war should end. But speaking to wealthy donors behind closed doors, he said that he supports Israel’s right to continue “its war on terror.”
Former president Donald Trump promised to crush pro-Palestinian protests on college campuses, telling a roomful of donors — a group that he joked included “98 percent of my Jewish friends” — that he would expel student demonstrators from the United States, according to participants in the roundtable event with him in New York.
But let’s protest Biden by abstaining in the general! That’ll teach the Dems a lesson! And get a shit ton more Palestinians murdered but I’ll teach the Dems a lesson that they will definitely forget by 2028!
We really need to drive this point home.
Oh, you're not voting for Biden because of his support for Israel? Tell me more about how you care more about teaching dems a lesson than you care about minimizing the Palestinian death toll.
Even if they had the same stance on Israel, which they clearly don’t, let’s not forget the Ukrainians that would lose support on day one of a Trump presidency. Also, China would likely begin to move on Taiwan without US support. He’d set the stage for WWIII and justify it as isolationism.
US was late to WW1 and WW2. Trump wants to go 3 for 3.
Agree on Ukraine, but China doesn't have the capability to make a move on Taiwan and won't for another decade, if ever. Though Hong Kong and the Uighurs would have an even worse time with Trump in the Whitehouse to be sure.
China's capability of invading Taiwan has been overstated in the media. Sure they have a massive army, but Taiwan is an island and amphibious operations are very very hard to pull off. That being said, Trump probably wouldn't be sending a lot of arms to Taiwan so China invading Taiwan in a decade would be more likely.
That might hurt them more than anything. All china has to do is blockade Taiwan, obliterate any fishing vessels and ports it sees, and bomb farmland.
A castle can only be defended for as long as it has food stores.
China can't blockade Taiwan while being outside the range of missiles and drones. China probably has about 400 ships but what is the quality of the air defense and drone boat defense do they have?
They don't have the space to do what Russia is trying (unsuccessfully) in the Black Sea with keeping their ships outside the range of missiles and drones.
That’s a fair assessment of invasion threat. However, if we pull out of the South China Sea and the Taiwan Strait, they’ll be forced to accept China’s control of import again. That’s devastating to an island nation’s economy.
Solid talking points.
Having interacted with these people I can tell you that nothing has any effect on these goalpost moving liars and you just have to step on their dicks and convince bystanders like you do with any worthless bullshitter
There aren't going to be people left by the time Trump takes office. A million people are getting displaced right fucking now. And Biden deserves to be criticized for supporting that. So does Trump, but he's not President right now. Biden is.
The protest vote did send a pretty strong message to dems, but they evidently didn't give a fuck so now we just have to suck it up and vote for biden. It's not that they'll forget the lesson, it's that they never learned it at all. 2016 should have been a lesson as well but we see how that turned out.
This part really kills me. We already watched it happen once and are now dealing with irreparable damages as a result. How many people protested HRC by either abstaining or voting for a third-party? Fucking nobody wants Hillary in office anymore, but we don't get a say in the ticket so you suck it up and vote for the person who isn't saying they will literally commit all the crimes because being president absolves them of any blame.
It worked when people were mad at Netflix a couple years ago, right?
and
are two mutually exclusive positions
Wrong. What the democratic party does is nearly irrelevant.
"We will not vote for Biden because of Gaza" and "We will do what's best for the Palestinians who live in Gaza" are, unfortunately, truly mutually exclusive positions.
It's extremely sad, but that's the position your Republican neighbors have put you in.
Voting for someone is giving them a stamp of approval either explicitly or implictly. Democrats need to lose. They need to be afraid of losing votes. If they can act in this manner and still win, they are learning the wrong lesson. The quiet part that Trump said out loud - that he can shoot someone on 5th Ave and people would still vote for him.
I'm tired of this end of the world argument for voting Biden. If our institutions are so fragile that this election topples our democracy for good - then sorry to burst your bubble but the democracy is already a goner.
Israel is committing the worst ethnic cleansing campaign of our generation. I cannot and will not vote for someone embracing them and helping them get away with it. We cannot let fear cloud our principles.
Giving up your right to vote isn't going to teach Democrats anything about needing your vote.
Let me get your position straight: you can't do anything about democracy in the U.S., but you can do something about ethnic cleansing in Gaza.
You either don't live in the US or are incoherent.
I think you're wrong. I think if Democrats lose this election they will do their analysis and focus groups and surveys and if it points to the decisive issue being Gaza then they will change their attitude on Gaza - even if marginally, they will be forced to.
As for me, I just got my right to vote 2 years ago and I've been living here 25 years. I'm going to vote. I'm just not voting for Biden or Trump. I'll write uncommitted or blank or something.
This is what democracy should be. Candidates lose votes if they don't act in a manner congruent with the beliefs of the base. This "vote no matter what because the alternative is worse" is not democracy. If you don't have a choice, you don't have a vote. You're headed same direction either way.
You can think that we are wrong all you want. But we can point to evidence that you're wrong. It didn't happen in 1980. It didn't happen in 2000. It didn't happen in 2016. And it didn't happen any number of times before that.
Literally the only time in at least the last 50 years. The Democrats actually listened and changed their behavior. Was when they were primaried by someone much more Progressive and committed. They saw the turn out for Sanders and changed because of it. They've never changed for non-turnout. Or to court the voters of third-party candidates that struggle to even break single digits.
Civil rights wasn't passed because of non-voting or even protests. It was passed because of a desire to win the near guaranteed votes of that group. If they weren't, neither a group would have passed it yet.
Teaching them requires strong candidates to primary them with and pull them to listen to you. Blame democrats for not primary themselves all you want it's just kind of foolish. You and we as a whole we need to start preparing now to primary candidates at every level of government in all upcoming elections. That's how they listen.
They should have had a primary in 2024 if their only candidate was a genocide supporter. If Democrats lose because of this, because they didn't, I'll be so pissed.
Perhaps. But neither party has ever primary and incumbent.
Just like 2016, right?
I’ll write
uncommitted or blank or somethingexterminate Palestinians.Biden is in a tough spot. He is required by law to provide military aid.
It’s not the law making him do this.
You’re not wrong. That is how the American electoral system should work. But Trump and Project 2025 would fundamentally break the American experimental democracy. There may not be a viable means to elect a Democratic or another party in 2028.
See, you can advocate for Biden without defending a genocide. It can be done ✅
You certainly can.
Biden rejoined the Paris Climate Agreement, revoked the Keystone Pipeline permit, created a 13 million acre federal petroleum reserve for Alaskan wildlife, greatly increased oil site lease cost, signed $7B in solar subsidies, enacted the Inflation Reduction act to support clean energy, created the CHIPS Act to improve reliance on domestic technology, reenacted Net Neutrality, repealed Title 42, ended the Muslim Ban, reinstated the sanctions on Israeli settlement on Palestinian territory, signed the Equality Act for LGBTQ+ rights, restored gay rights to beneficiaries, reenacted trans care anti-discrimination law, signed the Respect for Marriage Act, enabled unspecified gender on US Passports, rejoined WHO, rescheduled marijuana, reducing drug costs with the American Rescue Plan Act…
Trump repealed 112 climate regulations, left the Paris Climate Agreement, disbanded the pandemic response team stalling national pandemic response, left the WHO, repealed trans care anti-discrimination law, repealed gay rights to beneficiaries, enacted Title 42 and the Muslim ban, repealed sanctions on Israeli settlements on Palestinian territory, repealed Net Neutrality, provided tax cuts to the wealthy that further widened our already exploitative wealth inequality, increased tariffs on goods costing the consumers, repealed the ACA without replacement, seated the conservatives in SCOTUS that repealed Roe v. Wade…
It’s not a contest if you’ve been paying attention.
Is that from memory? Where can I find that list for future reference? Now, if we can get our compatriots to stop defending the genocide, we might be able to sway some votes. The genocide is an albatross around Biden’s neck and should be downplayed.
I originally typed it out here and saved it. I add to it when I see more points. Feel free to use it whenever you’d like. You can save a comment by tapping the star directly beneath the comment. You’ll find it in your saved section under your user profile.
I’m fairly certain Blinken is the problem. POTUS doesn’t listen to news or Congress over the State Department. He needs to provide Biden with a thorough and conclusive report to use as a platform for withdrawal.
I saved it. Biden can’t change his position on Israel, there is too much money and history for that to happen. But his accomplishments can be used to help people remember how bad Trump was. It’s the only play. We can’t defend an indefensible genocide, but we can acknowledge it, and maximize the other differences between Trump and Biden.
I think his pause while awaiting the State Department report was indicative of his interest in shifting supplied munitions to Iron Dome defense only, had Blinken reported crimes. It was only upon receiving an inconclusive report that Biden agreed to resume shipments as agreed. He doesn’t want to contribute to genocide, he just needs a founded reason to breach munitions agreements that have already been established. The ICJ is not enough to force the hand of POTUS. It has to come from our own intelligence.
With that being said, you’re right. He’s the far better candidate in every capacity, including Israel. Trump will nuke and pave Gaza and Rafah just to tear the bandage off, before claiming isolationism and letting Putin take what he wants.
Ya, a lot of genocide apologia in this thread. It's off putting, racist, and paternalistic. There's got to be other ways to support Biden without saying he'll be good for those poor Palestinians, the group they're currently helping bomb. Plus, his administration has threatened the ICC and UN for trying to protect them.
But the fact of the matter is that without huge changes to our political systems, the Democrats will just bring out the Project 2025 excuse from now on forever. This is the most important election in the world. Just like the last one. And the one before it. And the next one. Like in this thread, criticism is impossible against the Democrats, even while they push a genocide, for the alternative is Trump or someone like him. Not to say that Project 2025 doesn't scare the crap out of me. But it does seem best for them to always have the US on the edge of fascism as a cudgel.
We need to put our petty ideological differences aside and determine a course of action. If I were asked, my vote would be to vote for Biden (despite the genocide), and organize ourselves into a coalition, a voting bloc.
But we need to be more understanding of those that will vote third party or never vote for Biden because of the genocide. Their grievances are just.
That's a fascist's wishlist, it's a bunch of stuff that's never going to happen, but it's a useful cudgel for some people to bludgeon dissenters with.
Even if we underestimate them, it’s still horrific what they will achieve.
You are either a Russian disinformation agent, or a completely naive, and foolish person. Surprising how you think the Palestinians dying in Gaza is the “worst ethnic cleansing campaign of our generation”. Take a look at some countries in Africa (Sudan and Darfur region specifically) if you want to see some truly atrocious numbers.
Tell me where in Sudan you had some of the most densely populated urbanized places in the world carpet bombed and 2 million people tossed around and ping ponged around from evacuation to evacuation - all committed by a supposed democratic advanced country? Even worse- a key ally of the US? Nation who cares about human rights, egalitarianism, etc?
Darfur genocide happened 20 years ago over the course of years. Gaza we haven't even seen a year yet. You want to argue semantics about what generation means? You want to compare and contrast? Did you see the US president get on TV and hug a warlord with tears in his eyes as F16s dropped MK84 bombs onto women and children like Biden did with his precious Bibi?
Let's see. Maybe you are the disinformation agent. Trying to muddy the waters. Make it seem a little less bad. Very easy to say to discredit, yeah? You are a bot. Part of pro-Israel hasbara campaign. You're a shill, a dope, a duntz
Look I did it too. I'm so tired of this nonsense online. This all started around 2016.
So after all that text, what is your suggestion come November? Pontificate all you want, but short of voting for Biden, you are supporting, either directly or indirectly, a Trump presidency, and if that becomes the case the situation is Gaza will only become worse.
So you are nothing but a naive fool with no actual solutions or suggestions, just fairy tale “I wish this isn’t how reality works”
Nothing naive about it "your vote, your choice" is still valid even today. You may not like the fact that progressives and independents don't toe the party line but you need to learn to accept differing viewpoints. No one attacked you, they just stated their opinions and you immediately went on the offensive.
It is completely naive since, again, come November there are only 4 choices: 1. Vote for Biden, 2. Vote for Trump, 3. Vote 3rd party, or 4. Don’t vote.
So tell me what option is a so-called progressive going to choose that doesn’t directly or indirectly help Trump? At that point, in the ballot box, no more “would have” or “should haves”. There are only 4 choices.
This is why I call options other than option 1 naive because 2, 3, and 4 benefit Trump.
Does the electoral college system suck? YES! Do we wish we had a more progressive and left-leaning candidate from the Democrats? YES! Do we wish either of the options were not old men? YES! And would a Trump presidency be absolutely catastrophic for the US and the rest of the Wedtern world? YES!!
Given these realities, it’s either a naive or disinformation / burn-it-to-the-ground approach you’re pushing for.
Your vote isn't the entirety of your voice though. If you telegraph that you will vote for Biden this far out, Biden's campaign advisors probably won't tell him that reversing course is the best decision for his reelection. If you say you will not vote for him due to Gaza, even if you secretly plan on voting for him, you have more power to change their policy and help Palestinians as a whole. This doesn't have to be a discussion on trump vs Biden. This can be about trying to strategically pivot Biden in a way that avoids getting arrested because trump sure as hell isn't going to fix things.
So dissenters are crazy or evil instead of just being principled? Good to know. Blocking you now.
The genocide in Darfur is ongoing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_civil_war_(2023%E2%80%93present)
Think about it this way:
Do you want to move the Overton window? I presume yes (and to the left). You accomplish that by giving Dems consistent and overwhelming victories. When the Dems win consistently, then they can move left. When they lose they will go to the center. When they go against an incumbent R they will run a center candidate, that's how we got Bill Clinton and Biden. Want them to move left? Vote and give them consistent and overwhelming victories.
And I know this isn't remotely possible given how entrenched red states are, but if the Dems got a super majority, I fully expect we'd get ranked choice voting, and for the Dem party to split. Progressives and moderates don't particularly want to be in the same party, but it is a necessity until the
racistfascist right (and their judges, etc) can be removed. And that requires a super majority.I seriously had a glimmer of hope that this would be the course correction after Jan 6th, but I quickly discovered how foolish I was to think the Right, and their voters, actually have a line to cross.
Edit - that was an autocorrect error, but still rather accurate...
It's a ballot, not a tinder profile. 90,000,000 people have to swipe right on the same person.
I agree.
Re: Committing the worst ethnic cleansing campaign:
During the Congolese Civil War, between October 2002 and Jan 2003 Congolese forces killed 40% of the Pygmy Population of Congo. Thats 70.000 people. I'd argue thats worse.
The Darfur Genocide is still ongoing and has killed 300.000 People.
The Rohingya Genocide killed 20.000 and led 1 million people to flee their homeland, that was in 2017.
The Yazidi Genocide displaced 71% of the global Yazidi population and killed 5.000, out of a population of 700.000. This ended only in 2016.
There are currently 19 million people suffering from starvation in Yemen, due to a war perpetrated by Saudi- and Iran-backed forces.
The Amhara are suffering a genocide for the last 30 years, which has resulted in 2 Million People being absent from any record. During the recent Ethiopean War another 2 million Amhara fled their homeland while being raped, enslaved and killed.
Noone in this thread would deny the Palestinian Genocide, but to claim its the worst one in a whole generation is to ignore at least 3 or 4 genocides on this list.
Only if you ignore that there’s also a segment of Democratic voters who would reconsider support for Biden if he took a stance that they perceived as anti-Israel. Democrats are a coalition party of compromises between factions who have to work together to find as much common ground as possible in order to have any political relevance in a first-past-the-post system. Biden has to walk whatever tightrope loses the fewest votes, and he seems to think that not doing a 180 on decades of US foreign policy is the best way to do that.
Young dems are so fucking blind to the fact that the majority of Dem voters, the 30-and-ups, support Israel. Biden would LOSE votes from the largest segment of Dem voters for dropping support. He really is caught between a rock and a hard place.
That’s not what the polling says.
can't withhold a vote because policy won't change because if it did people would withhold their vote and then the policy would change
Donors != voters
Where are my “genocide Joe” boys? You, the ones that have nothing to say but Biden/democrats bad?
You always leave this part out. Troll farm tankies.
BOtHsiDeSsAmE1
Excuse me, but I never leave out that Trump is a fascist who's worse than Biden. And I'll vote Biden against Trump. Biden is still a lying piece of shit absorbing and spreading Israeli propaganda about murdered babies and systematic rape on Oct 7. He's still facilitating a genocide. None of Trump's evil words can change that. Biden can change that, but he chooses not to.
Maybe you should understand that there are biggwr pictures?
The sucky part of being a politician is that inevitably you'll have to make decisions that you won't like, that go against your better judgement, that you might be opposed to. There simply may be bigger issues at stake. You may have an ally that you begrudgingly have to support because if you don't you can lose that ally, making the situation so much worse. Worse yet, you might upset a large part of your voters that will in turn not vote for you on the next election.
I dunno for sure but I think that Biden is in the situation where he must be very careful with what he does with Israel. You may not have noticed, but he has been criticizing them, he has been pushing them to stop, but very very carefully.
In a way He's may be in the same situation as us. Just as we begrudgingly have to vote Biden over trump to avoid shit really going to hell, he may have to begrudgingly support Israel to avoid losing many voters that he'll need in the next elections.
Because of this I think it isn't as simple as "Biden is a liar" and "Biden supports genocide". I could be wrong and he very well may be evil, but from what I've seen, from what he's been doing in other parts of his job, I highly doubt that. I really do believe that he's trying to navigate this situation as carefully sd he can.
Shit simply isn't that simple
The fact that no matter who I vote for it's gonna end up with kids being killed on my dime is the problem. At least Biden will pretend to feel bad about it, which is all I've come to expect from my government.
I've long given up on the notion that I get to vote for someone I like in this system.
I wish that “likability” wasn’t such a huge part of the equation. Doing the right thing and being effective at it should be a bigger factor.
By "likability" I mean that I agree with some or most of the things they consider the right thing. I want to be enthusiastic about them instead of just mainly hoping they don't do too much damage.
Cue someone posting a billion links about Biden in response because that's gonna convince me.
Democracy baby! :/
I think this is the practical assessment of politics for a mature adult however. We want better, but we understand that we won't get our ideal, perfect options. We have to choose for the better, unideal, option, and hope that our choices will allow our progeny to one day have those ideal candidates.
Better? Nah. Less worse.
They're on the same article thread posted an hour after mine.
Oh I know exactly where you can find them! Just visit lemmy.world/c/politicalmemes community, they post there 24/7
I'm right here, this article does nothing to change my mind about how Joe Biden is aiding and abetting an ongoing genocide.
Yes, Trump will almost certainly be worse. That doesn't change the fact that our current president's support for genocide is deplorable, it hurts his electoral chances, and it damages the US standing in the world.
Burying Palestinian families alive under the rubble of their former homes is not a good use of my tax dollars. Joe Biden needs to stop.
Genocide is a US problem not specific to any president.
You can say "Joe Biden is helping/supporting Israel in its genocide on Palestinians". Calling him "genocide joe" is repeating GOP bs. They say it like that to keep the critical thinking to a minimum.
Yes we agree that other modern presidents have been genocidal as well.
Using that fact as an excuse for the current genocide is not some realpolitik, "adults in the room" level of thinking. It is moral depravity and the banality of evil.
Who is using it as excuse for the current genocide? Where does it say "genocide is ok"? "Adult in the room" my ass.
When comparing 2 candidates, genocide doesn't matter because they will both do it, you substract that from both side of the equation in US politics. Once a president is in office then you can protest decision, this is about comparing candidates.
Using the GOP propaganda of "genocide joe" like it's his personal hobby just feeds the trolls. The article is about Trump, and the guy at the top of this thread is asking where the "genocide joe" trumpers are given Trump admits the same. Anyone answering "i'm here", but saying "AKshUaLlY i'm not a trumper but biden is commiting genocide" is just pedantic and missing the point of this discussion
It’s always one of the folks from one of the newer instances/communities I see making these arguments, usually it’s sh.itjust.works or kbin but I saw quite a few from .today this weekend. Seems like the older instances that were either up or started because of the migration from reddit are less filled with trolls and bad faith in my experience
You did, when you said "Genocide is a US problem not specific to any president."
This "lesser of two evils" logic only holds up when deciding who to vote for. The Biden administration does not get to aid a genocide criticism-free just because Trump would be worse.
A president is in office now, aiding a genocide now, so I'm protesting now. If the US is still supporting genocide after the election I will protest then, too.
I saw a shocking amount of upvoted genocide denial in the comments, so I felt the need to respond, even if its unpopular.
Haha you're not protesting, youre whining on the internet. Not one protest in the US besides the students protesting their school, not biden.
I assume the rest of your life based on like ten internet posts you've made. I'm a genius please pat me on the back'
Has any other president been sued for genocide?
One: you can be sued for anything regardless of if it's true or not. Someone could find some sleazebag lawyer and sue you for drowning hundreds of puppies while laughing about it -- does that make you a puppy killer?
Two: We have presidents that we know directly ordered genocides of native people ... yet weren't sued for it.
Until he changes his stance, he’s “genocide Joe.”
So by that definition there's also genocide Trump, and genocide US government, and genocide US soldiers, and genocide US citizens, and genocide judges, and... It becomes irrelevant to call him "genocide joe", it has little to do with him. See we call Dwayne "the rock" Johnson because he's the only wrestler known by that name, it's unique to him. I think you need to lookup what Nicknames are for, aside from GOP propaganda.
I agree. All individuals and institutions you listed could be culpable, but no suits, internationally, nor domestically have been filed. Except for the CCR case against Biden, Blinken, and Austin.
I looked into the origin of the “genocide Joe” meme. The earliest entry is from October 18, 2023. As far as I can tell it was started by pro-Palestine leftists like Aaron Mate, Hasan, and Alan Macleod. It did not originate from conservative media.
Youre a trumper. Let's not pretend lawsuits mean anything at all to you. Nevermind lawsuits that haven't started.
The origin is irrelevant to who is perpetuating it, or why. "Sleepy Joe", "Genocide Joe", "Orange man bad" are all designed to remove any critical thinking or nuance. It was the same for "Crooked Hillary".
Now if you're so good at fetching historical data, let's find which political party has it as a primary strategy to make up silly names and gaslight their opponent with them.. i'll wait.
This prolix exposition does nothing to keep Trump from being reelected. More likely, it serves to depress voter motivation. You need to give people a reason to vote for Biden, not against Trump. Best of luck.
Because that's what youre doing right, getting people to vote for Biden. I see lmao
Yes, pressure on Biden will force him to stop supporting a genocide, which will hopefully help more people support him. He's already taken baby steps. Thanks to this pressure. I was told to vote for him in 2020 because he can be pushed left and I did. Yet, if he can't be pushed to not support a genocide, the biggest crime of all humanity, then it's not really true.
Unironically, yes. Insulting voters and defending a genocide does not win people to your side.
Nobody claimed you could read...
Nice little performance! But your act isn't all that convincing really.
Joe Biden cares more about Palestinians than you do. He's doing things to help while you're projecting faux outrage.
What? What has he done, other than words?
Well, he used words to get the Saudis to allow aid to resume flowing. What have you done besides bitch behind a keyboard?
Well, I’m not president. And I can’t find any info on Biden getting the Saudis to allow aid. Can you point to a policy?
Edit: It was Egypt. That certainly will help. Why you bitching about my bitching? We bitching together. We bitches.
Youre bitching about a genocidal president, and he's bitching about a genocidal, openly corrupt traitor, above the law wanna be dictator who needs to change the law to keep existing as a political figure.
You are not the same.
As long as we’re clear that I’m bitching about the genocide. I’m good. 🙂 Maybe, if more people would bitch about Biden enabling a genocide, instead of defending his actions, we wouldn’t have to bitch about Trump being president.
How does that make sense? Trump will openly do the same. The genocide is not why people are voting for Trump. And people are bitching about Biden, so much the police has to beat people into silence.
Youre pretending to just be asking questions and being angry at Biden, but we see your comment history. It's pretty clear what youre selling
Then you should be buying, so I can get rich, and outspend AIPAC and CUFI to lobby Biden to change course on Palestine, so he can get reelected. It’s almost 🤔 like you want Trump to win.
Yeah I'm not surprised you think that makes sense.
If you truly want Biden to be reelected, be like disguy_ovahea.
He built a pier to get food into Gaza.
Other than words, what have you done?
Is debunking your propaganda not enough?
If Trump wins and has his SS start shooting Pro-Palestinian protestors, it’ll be really hard to hold back from saying “told you so”
They'll have put their red hats back on by then.
You’re just telling on yourself that you’re a fascist at heart then.
Elaborate on that logic, please, because it doesn't make sense to me.
needs more smug
Why is it that everybody with a differing opinion than yours is called a fascist? The word does not mean what you think it means and by using it in this manner, you're making the word lose its meaning.
How about bringing real discussion to this thread instead of whatever this is?
This is smelling a lot like the republican "Not everything you don't like is racist/fascist"
How different is the person with the gun to the person who is standing nearby saying "you deserve this"?
What the fuck is this abuser talk? Nowhere did they say anything about deserving it, you are projecting your emotions here.
What they DID say was it'd be difficult to not say I told you so, as in, I told you your choices would lead here. 'You fucked up and now we're here' is a far cry from 'you deserved it'.
Standing by and saying told you so isn't even that different to "you deserve it" if you aren't stepping in to help prevent it.
He's getting ready to speed up the genocide
We better elect Biden so we can have incremental death? Both are Zionist pieces of shit not worthy of holding office.
BoTh SiDeS amirite? GTFO
Yikes! They’re not wrong.
There are not 2 sides, there are 2 right wing factions each skinning a cat and telling everyone their method is best
Yikes...
Don’t cut yourself on that edge
This nuance will surely change how America handles elections.
/S
Yeah! Why go for incremental death when we can just kill every other person as fast as possible! Thanos 2024!
Thanos did nothing wrong, and I can prove it.
Got a better idea?
Nope. Just bitch and complain and spread voter apathy while not using any energy to push for actual change. Dude most likely isn't even from the states and can't vote.
Well, they probably prefer this job than pushing up sunflowers on the battlefields of Ukraine.
I truly wish as part of sanctions Russia was completely cut off from the Internet. Watch again as a large chunk of the bots and Facebook accounts dry up.
It continues to amaze me how many organizations accept connections from Russian IP addresses.
Withholding votes unless Biden changes is pushing for actual change. So is protesting on campuses but Biden and Blinken hates that, too. Votes and money are the only two things politicians listen to. The huge women protests that got us nothing and the BLM protests that mostly led to changes that got rolled back proved that. Unfortunately, AIPAC has all the money which means protesting and withholding votes is all that's left.
I know, let's vote for Trump so the genocide will be over sooner. Just think about how much less suffering there'll be when all the kids are in mass graves instead of going hungry.
Agreed, but the next President is going to be either the guy who is supporting Israel because he wants the money or the guy who is supporting Israel because he loves their authoritarianism and wants to bring it here.
You're telling on yourself here bud, I think you need to go back to history class. You can't just throw away all nuance by framing a strawman. It is absolutely not black and white like that and there is absolutely a lot more at play then just money or authoritarianism, namely history.
That doesn't change the fact that the next President will be either:
Self proclaimed zionist, Joe Biden:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/i-am-zionist-how-joe-bidens-lifelong-bond-with-israel-shapes-war-policy-2023-10-21/
The literal pro-Genocide candidate, Donald Trump:
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trumps-hardline-position-us-policy-gaza-matters-rcna150391
“We have to let Israel complete their war on terror. It’s a horrible thing, but they have to do it.” Trump added that Israel must “clean out the cancer.”
There are no other viable candidates. The only thing stopping one of these men from becoming President is a massive health event.
Should it be Trump, things will not only be devastating for Gaza, they will become a nightmare here:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-compares-political-opponents-vermin-root-alarming-historians/story?id=104847748
"Trump compares political opponents to 'vermin' who he will 'root out,' alarming historians"
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-mexico-kill-teams-drug-cartels-1235016514/
"Trump Is Planning to Send Kill Teams to Mexico to Take Out Cartel Leaders"
This is why it's contingent on everyone who cares to hold their nose and vote for Biden. The alternative is a disaster.
And in either case, unless voters stop the bleeding, Democrats will always have an authoritarian figure dangling over their head as a threat to their rights so they can remain in power. So 50, 60, 70 100 years from now we can keep having the same conversations where nobody is making enough money. Nobody can afford housing. Nobody has health care. Nobody has access to education, while they continue blaming the other side as to why nobody has any rights.
In this case, the Republicans are to blame as they block everything in the Senate and have loaded the Supreme Court to rule against things like fair and honest congressional districts and student loan relief.
Instead of punching left every chance they got, democrats should have been holding their politicians accountable. They are just as much to blame for current political problems as those Republicans you mentioned.
FYI: Most of those braindead "am I not allowed to criticize Biden????" comments and posts on social media are a concerted effort by right-wingers from /pol and other such sewers, trying to get people to not vote against Trump. Don't fall for it. These aren't "lefties" or "tankies". Just downvote, report, and ignore.
They’re insane if the think I wouldn’t crawl over 5 miles of glass covered in diarrhea to vote against christofascism, and the only way to vote against christofascism is by voting for the side with the best chance to claim its victory, and much to my chagrin that’s Biden, it’s a really simple calculus
correct. this is not the time to win the fight, this is the time to make sure we will be able to continue fighting it.
Quite often when someone loudly whines about "not being able to criticize [X]" it's because they have an opinion that is either repugnant, hateful or ridiculous and nobody wants to hear them. Nobody is saying they can't or aren't allowed to have criticism or opinions, but everyone else has a right to ignore or ridicule them for it.
In the end, it's usually just trolls. Giving them attention is what they want so it's best to ignore them entirely and not give them the reaction they're desperate for.
I mean, I dont really care for Biden. Having said that, I'd rather gouge my eyes out with a rusty spoon than not vote for him and end up with Trump, so "genocide Joe" or whatever those morons are calling him begrudgingly has my vote.
Getting deported during his second term might be a good thing
Bbbbbut Biden more bad!! Because Jeenoside
Trump never aided a genocide during his term.
He never had the opportunity.
Covid? He tried to take out his own voters.
Not true, he hasn't used all his fame and power to stop the Gaza genocide so he is 110% at fault.
Same with you.
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Same with you.
You know the ICE camps that sterilized people and had Trump portraits about winning the war? Sterilizing women of a group you oppress is in the definitions of Genocide, so he absolutely did. He also recommended other genocidal things, but because he can be convinced by the last general who spoke to him, they didn't put those plans into place.
I don’t remember him getting charged with genocide. Pretty sure I’d remember.the ACLU did file charges for forced removal, but not genocide.
There were accusations filed, perhaps not directly against Trump but instead his administration, and maybe not by the ACLU directly citing Genocide but instead human rights. The connection is mentioned by them at least: https://www.acluga.org/en/publications/shut-it-down-civil-rights-lawyers-detention-center-accused-forced-sterilization-0
I wouldn't say using just the ACLU means it didn't occur, and I don't know what your definition of charged is. Here are some others:
https://www.theadvocatesforhumanrights.org/News/A/Index?id=64
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/09/15/forced-sterilization-genocide-rights-groups-condemn-ice-amid-whistleblowers
https://www.ild.org/immigrant-legal-defense-blog/forced-hysterectomies-underscore-horrors-of-immigrant-detention
Great job. That was during Covid too, although it had been going on for some time. Stephen Miller is a ghoul.
So where are all the "concerned Democrats" that always show up en masse to talk about how horrible Biden's Gaza policy is?
Aren't you guy's concerned about this policy too? Or is it fine because it's not Biden's policy?
Yeah, but gEnOcIdEjOe!!!!111eleventy!!! Or something.
They're sick of hearing and talking about Trump, so they don't want to talk about this stuff. They would rather film themselves crying about gEnOcIdE jOe on tiktok to make them feel better about themselves.
Single issue voters hurt everyone.
Right here. We never left.
https://x.com/Harbpeace/status/1795512160266653866?t=NhxvzhVwaIuLs6EMBBJXXw
I'm concerned there's not going to be a Gaza left by the time Trump takes office.
That's the thing, Trump has been strategically quiet on the issue. He wants to make sure the spotlight is on Biden, even he is leaning into calling him genocide Joe.
Trump knows this is a hot button issue, and if he were to speak out more on what his policy would be on it, he would very much unite the left against him. Letting Biden take the heat ensures the left is fractured.
He's been very loud, but not nearly as loud as the articles about his time in the SDNY courtroom over hooker hush money payments.
The issue is that he's not President while Biden is. So hypothesizing what a future President Trump might do in the event Biden's approval rating sinks any lower becomes a more compelling Conservative Democrat talking point than what Biden is currently doing to cost him all that support.
The left isn't fractured on this issue. That's the root of Biden's problem. From the midwestern business-friendly liberals to the college Maoists, there's a uniform horror and disgust towards our Middle East foreign policy. The only split is whether you're willing to give Biden yet one more pass on our latest imperial atrocity or whether you've finally reached your limit.
when you boil everything down to black and white, the nuance is gone along with any wisdom you started out with. Shame that's all you got, can't even hold an intelligent discussion without you leaping for the hyperbole.
For instance, what country is doing more than the US to bring aid to Gaza?
Every single one that currently supports the UNRWA, countries that have criticized Israel and stopped diplomacy with them or cut off trade, South Africa launched the ICC case against them, ones that have tried to vote for sanctions against them in the UN or have supported a Palestinian state. So ya, tons of countries that aren't the US.
Meanwhile the US is the only reason Gaza is getting any real aid at this point given all the other bullshit by both Hamas and the Zionist trash.
But go ahead and look at the things you like and pretend everything else isn’t happening
You can't give the US credit for giving a little aid when they're giving way more bombs and weapons. I'm not going to give you credit for throwing a bandaid to someone after you're the one giving the shooter a gun and ammunition and stopped people from coming over to help when their shot. The US is causing more net harm in this whole situation. Also, those other countries ARE giving lots of aid. Look up the nationalities of the doctors and relief workers in there. They're from all over the world. The US isn't even donating to the UN relief org anymore because of trumped up accusations by Israel that haven't even been proven, unlike lot of other countries that have resumed payments. You just hear about the US because they're basically helping Israel hold the door shut, and every time they let it loose a little, aid can come in, which sounds like they did something good when it's more like they stopped doing something bad. Hell, they're supporting Israel while it blocks off aid through truck, which would be the one actual efficient way to deliver it (that little pier is doing barely anything and apparently even falling apart btw). One million people are being displaced right now. The President said they'd draw a red line in the sand before that happens, but operations have initiated in Rafah and nothing has happened.
So, if anyone is pretending that reality isn't happening, it's you. And tbh, I get it. It's tough to reconcile good old America, innocent Israel, and grandpa Joe Biden with all the pictures of the dead Palestinian children and the rubble of their cities, put together with the proof of American bombs that are being used. It's easier to not deal with it because our domestic problems are so big and no one here wants Trump to be President. But it's happening, and you've got to face the problem so we can push our leaders to fix it, because it's the US that are the ones causing it by shielding Israel from the rest of the world (except Germany), and we supposedly live in a democracy, where theoretically with enough popular support we should be able to pressure our politicians to change course on this disaster.
That is the nature of voting. You can either cast a ballot for a guy or not. There is no in-between state.
UNRWA was the primary supplier of aid into Gaza until Israel kicked them out. Then the World Central Kitchen was a primary supplier of food aid, until Israel bombed it. Aid was coming in from Palestinians in Jordan and Egypt, until Israel sealed off the borders at gunpoint.
Meanwhile, the US has been sending Israel more weapons used in these terrorist acts.
Might as well credit Germany with feeding and housing Polish Jews in 1942.
No it is not the nature of voting, it is not a binary thing at all. Again all you do is remove all nuance which destroys the discussion
You’re also proving my point, Israeli Zionists fucked aid and the US is the ONLY ONES doing ANYTHING to ensure aid gets there at our own cost. Meanwhile Egypt and neighboring countries simply put up barbed wire and close crossings.
ALL those aids you listed you admit are no longer happening, only the US is now making it happen, but that’s not convenient to your position is it?
Are you SERIOUSLY comparing the US to Nazi goddamn Germany right now? You are beyond a discussion based on reality. Won’t waste anymore time on you. Shame.
US is running cover for the Israeli Zionists, preventing UN-based aid from reaching Gaza, and doing clumsy ineffectual political stunts to disguise their complicity.
Because the US is sending weapons into Israel to bomb aid agencies.
Wouldn't even be the first time. From our re-installation of fascists in Japan and Germany during the post-war period to our Jakarta Method in Indonesia to the Contra terrorists we armed in El Salvador and Guatamala, this isn't even our first full-throated fascist rodeo.
American fascism runs deep, and we've had a hard on for butchering every brown person we can get in our sites since at least 9/11.
I always said President Biden is the lesser of the two evils. Mango Mussolini should shove off to fucking Moscow.
thanks again republicans for reminding us that expression of grievances is basically communism
Bypass pay wall here
how very freedom loving and democratic
Orly?
Could be worse. He could be threatening to bomb them, like Obama did.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Former president Donald Trump promised to crush pro-Palestinian protests on college campuses, telling a roomful of donors — a group that he joked included “98 percent of my Jewish friends” — that he would expel student demonstrators from the United States, according to participants in the roundtable event with him in New York.
When one of the donors complained that many of the students and professors protesting on campuses could one day hold positions of power in the United States, Trump called the demonstrators part of a “radical revolution” that he vowed to defeat.
Several influential Republican donors, including Miriam Adelson, have pressed Trump to publicly express support not only for Israel but also for Netanyahu, its embattled leader.
He also recalled that he had “a bad experience with Bibi,” claiming that Israel had planned to participate in the 2020 U.S. strike that killed Iranian General Qasem Soleimani but backed out at the last minute.
Trump and Netanyahu’s relationship will “continue to prosper and flourish” if they’re both in office at the same time again, Matthew Brooks, chief executive of the Republican Jewish Coalition, said in an interview.
The group watched gruesome footage of the Oct. 7 attack and toured parts of the country where Israelis had been killed or kidnapped, making for an “educational visit that was life-changing,” McMullen said.
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The people who need to see this will instead shut their eyes and cry gEnOcIdE jOe!!!
They could both be doing genocides you know. It doesn't make Biden's lack of response and continual support of Israel good, and it deserves to be criticized.
When he loses ship him over there
Soon^tm^ we'll hear him crying 'Wollt ihr den totalen Krieg?'. Pretty sure about that. History rhymes.
Oh, no! Please, please don't send me to Vancouver, British Columbia!
For those using this to lecture the world about how Joe Biden is the lesser of two evils, let me tell you that genocide is the maximum evil. you can't go higher than that. so they will be just as equally evil.
few innocent thousands people dead, should have been enough for you election strategists to fill the streets with millions of protesters to bring the establishment to meet your demands. not trying to guilt trip those who can't consciously give their vote in support of the actual policies and their taxes to bomb Palestinians into submission , genocide of 50 thousand people is just as immoral as one with 100 thousand people.
So more of the same?
What's your source on Pro Palestinian students being deported by Biden?
I made it up bro
How are any Pro Palestinian protesters getting deported by either? Neither can. Just another boogeyman scare.
So you're saying tRump is lying?
He does that often
This comment is on the same level as "just locker room talk".
One is not doing what he needs to be doing, Biden. The other, trump, straight up talks about fascism and dictatorship every single day, for months now.
You are making this a 'both sides' issue it seems to me and that is wrong. You know it is wrong, I will assume you are not brain dead, so it begs the question: why do you downplay of what trump is telling you what he will do? Do you have some secret info on trump you want to share with us or should we just go ahead and listen to the guy and go with 'he means that'?
On this issue both side are the same. There are many other issues and reasons to vote, but there is no distinction between candidates on Palestine. Actions speak
Actions do indeed speak but you do not have that yet with trump. He makes statements, wild ones where anyone with common sense would want to block that idiot from ever being close to a post office, let alone being a president of the US.
So while Biden could do do things differently, his actions tell us he is making the wrong calls.
Trump would, according to his own words, round up protestors and have them deported, crush them (whatever that means). He want israel to be able to continue without restrictions. Biden might not do all the right things, I agree, but to compare him on this topic with trump is just plain wrong.
This argument holds as much water as Biden’s red lines. A lot of lip service and nothing of substance. Does it matter which door you use if you end up in the same room? They are absolutely the same on Palestine
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Isn’t that what’s happening to the Palestinians currently? By Israel. With support of Biden.
Trump is going to COOK your BABY and EAT them!!! Biden will merely roast the child but not consume it. LESSER EVIL!!!
Do you think both of those are equal?
Before you go off-topic,as you ilk is sure to do, remember that this is your invented "parallel situation".
He's trying to appeal to Democrats now?
No, he's just a grifting pos who will say anything to anyone willing to give him a dollar.
Btw I'm still waiting on that answer, champ.
Ah. Dismissive pet names. Condescension is no substitute for defensible positions.
So you're full of shit. Got it.
You should tell that to tankies.
Sure. Next time I see the bogeyman, I'll let him know.
When you are more anti Biden than anti Trump, you are effectively pro Trump.
If you would like to go there, let's. When you're more anti-criticism than you are anti-genocide, you are pro-genocide.
You a bot or troll?
Neither. Though I get called both a lot because centrists really hate hearing that Biden shouldn't be supporting genocide.
So troll, thanks.
Dialectic word-play, nice!