Lol. This is the party they want to replace 'genocide joe' with. Well done, kids!
Yes but see, if we just sit on our hands and don't vote we won't have any responsibility for what follows! Only voting for someone who is less than ideal on this issue is a morally bad choice!
I totally understand the point most of them are trying to make and agree with the sentiment, but they're fucking morons. 100% absolute jibbering idiots.
This is an ugly binary choice here because the United States electoral system is a steaming pile of horse shit. Do what I, your friendly neighborhood lefty, am doing and swallow your pride and vote for center right Joe Biden because he's leagues better than the dementia-addled, fascist Cheeto Benito. Then take all the disgust you've built up by voting for and living with another neoliberal corporate shill presidency and work your ass off to make sure we don't have to keep voting between Dumb and Dumber every fucking election.
Do it because we'll only be gently tiptoeing to the right under a Biden presidency, so it's less likely you'll end up in jail for discussing the "wrong" political ideology while that orange shitstained merkin would have me in jail just for writing this were it up to him. Don't make it up to him.
Every time I encounter the "don't vote" brigade, my first thought is that it's a Russian or Chinese troll trying to get Trump elected again.
My second thought, which is a bit more nuanced, is some introspection on what Biden is actually doing. He has three options with regards to Israel, none of them good.
He could deny them weapons, which would inevitably lead to outright war with Iran and an increase in Russian influence in the region, as well as a loss of an ally.
He could fully commit to Netanyahu's madness (i.e., what Trump wants to do), fully empowering genocide while using no political leverage on Israel. This would also ultimately lead to broad regional warfare, which will also likely increase Russian influence in the region.
He could try to limit the damage by imposing conditions on weapons sales and attempt to thread the needle, recognizing Hamas for the grotesque terrorist organization it is while using political pressure to prevent as much needless death of civilians as possible. This is what Biden is trying to do.
I don't know that Biden is doing a very good job with #3, but #1 would be a catastrophe, and #2 is what Trump wants.
This is a shitty situation in every conceivable way. Our ally, Israel, is currently being run by a corrupt and genocidal freak. There are no good answers to a situation like that beyond Israel coming to its senses and throwing Netanyahu in prison. But there are plenty of really bad answers, and Trump would be the worst.
This post is fully accurate.
I just want to say that there's probably a large contingent of kids who are happy doing nothing because they're not happy with the choices, while the conservatives proceed and reelect that orange turd back into office. If you're American, vote like your libertt depends on it, because it likely does.
He could deny them weapons, which would inevitably lead to outright war with Iran and an increase in Russian influence in the region
Why?
He could fully commit to Netanyahu's madness (i.e., what Trump wants to do), fully empowering genocide while using no political leverage on Israel.
Biden is doing this - he is threatening the ICC and ICJ
He could try to limit the damage by imposing conditions on weapons sales and attempt to thread the needle, recognizing Hamas for the grotesque terrorist organization it is while using political pressure to prevent as much needless death of civilians as possible. This is what Biden is trying to do.
Biden is not doing this. We have not stopped weapon shipments and have clearly been unable (more like unwilling) to stop or prevent Israel's genocide
Also, Israel is not our ally. Their geopolitical interests align with Putin. Which is why they are trying to get Trump elected so that they can destroy the remnants of the "rules based international order" and begin in earnest their conquest of Greater Israel
Why?
Because Iran is a Russian ally and Russian proxy.
Biden is doing this - he is threatening the ICC and ICJ
No, he isn't. Where in the world are you getting the idea that he's literally "threatening" either?
Biden is not doing this. We have not stopped weapon shipments and have clearly been unable (more like unwilling) to stop or prevent Israel’s genocide
Dude, we temporarily halted shipments earlier this month to put pressure on Netanyahu. Were you sleeping?
Also, Israel is not our ally. Their geopolitical interests align with Putin. Which is why they are trying to get Trump elected so that they can destroy the remnants of the “rules based international order” and begin in earnest their conquest of Greater Israel
Netanyahu's interests may align with Putin, but only insofar as both seem hell-bent on destabilizing the region. Putin would gladly let Iran stroll right into Israel and slaughter everyone in it. Israel's own actual interests do not remotely align with Putin's.
Because Iran is a Russian ally and Russian proxy.
Yes, but why does that mean stopping US weapons shipments to Israel would cause Iran to invade/attack/etc? Israel has a huge weapons stockpile and is still a Western ally - they just happen to be committing genocide with American funds and bombs.
Where in the world are you getting the idea that he's literally "threatening" either?
"The administration of President Joe Biden will work with Congress on possible sanctions against the International Criminal Court after its prosecutor announced it was seeking arrest warrants for senior Israeli and Hamas officials, US secretary of state Antony Blinken said on Tuesday."
we temporarily halted shipments earlier this month to put pressure on Netanyahu
We resumed those shipments and funds, and Israel has since crossed Biden's red line and attacked Rafah
Netanyahu's interests may align with Putin
Netanyahu/Likud are dictators who control Israel. Until he/they are removed, their interests are Israel's interests. Which means that Israel is a Russian asset with a stranglehold on American funds thanks to AIPAC
I'd just like to remind you folks the headline you're debating under:
Nikki Haley writes ‘finish them’ on IDF artillery shells during Israel visit
Biden/Dems sent the genocide bombs and Haley/Republicans autographed them.
I'm not sure how that improves things
US presidents are required by American law since 2008 to ensure that Israel is better armed than all its neighbours. Biden doesn't have a real choice unless he can get a bill through both houses to stop arming Israel. I don't think that's even remotely realistic.
Trump would be twice as bad for Palestine. "Finish them" is an actual call to genocide.
But you don't care for facts, you just want to blame Biden for everything that you think left wingers might not like so they'll not vote and Trump can get in.
presidents are required by American law since 2008 to ensure that Israel is better armed than all its neighbours
Or else what?
Also, funding and arming genocide is also illegal. And immoral. And stupid.
Sounds like Nikki Haley is supposed to be fined half a million dollars in that there anti genocide law you linked to:
Whoever directly and publicly incites another to violate subsection (a) shall be fined not more than $500,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
I don't think you can interpret Nikki Haley writing "finish them" on an Israeli bomb as anything other than a call to genocide.
Sorry if that interrupts your attempt to make this news article not about Nikki Haley writing "finish them" on an Israeli bomb.
I would like to solve your trolley problem with multi track drifting please
That's only worked a handful of times, long ago.
So you're saying if I vote, I'll be complicit and won't have anything to complain or blame others about, and have to take responsibility for the consequence of my vote? Fuck that shit!
I don't think I said that. Can you show me where I did?
I will say that you have a slice of responsibility over the future, and you'll have to live with the consequences of whatever decision you end up making - including the one where you sit on your hands. No matter what you do, you can still complain about it, but the future will be whichever one we collectively steer to. One of those possible futures is worse than the other. So it seems to me that we should steer away from it, rather than wrong our hands about how we don't like the choices. Sure, you don't like the choices. They're the choices regardless. Model the outcomes of each possibility, decide which one you hate the least and steer towards it, because we are getting a future selected from among the possibilities. Jesus is not going to rapture us out of this.
Forgot the /s. But the kids seem to believe that sitting it out in protest is better than voting the lesser of 2 evils. This is how a dictator comes into power. Agree with everything you said.
Yeah, I've been having this argument a lot lately, so the sarcasm shit right past me. It's exhausting trying to get people to understand that no, really, genocide a * 3 plus additional genocide b is worse than genocide a alone.
You do realize that "less than ideal" is probably an inadequate way to describe Joe funding a genocidal apartheid, right?
It's astonishing to me how comfortable you are with fascism, provided it wears a blue jersey.
Yes. Humans are given to certainty and judgement in excess of what the evidence merits, so I have taken to understatement.
I'm not convinced that Joe Biden is fascism, though. Would you be so kind as to compare him to Umberto eco's list, and share examples on each point? Trump seems like a much better match to that, but perhaps I have missed something.
I'm gonna vote for Biden if I have to rise from the dead and crawl through broken glass to do so, and I hope everyone reading this thread does.
I'm not willing to pretend he's not facilitating an ongoing genocide though.
Truth. Unfortunately. Brandon 2024.
I'm not.
I'm not American nor in the US.
Lucky you lol
Not really. I'm in Northern Ireland and my vote does fuck all to affect who's elected UK Prime Minister. The current governing party runs candidates here but they've never won a seat and their closest competitors don't run any candidates at all here. Never mind I live in a stronghold seat so it won't change anyway.
Have you tried driving your neighbors to the polling place and before you get there telling them how the other candidate fed glass to your dog?
Personal failure, smh
This. You deal with the choice in front of you, and not the ones you wish you had. Life is bigger than our little worlds.
Who makes you pretend that? You guys all want a medal for preaching to the choir?
The Democratic party expects their members to pretend that what's happening in Gaza is not a genocide. They censured Rep Tlaib for saying so in Congress.
Or, it's actually not.
Reported as election interference
So what you're saying is that you're a-okay with fascism and genocide, provided it wears a blue jersey?
I don't think anyone is saying that. You're just arguing in bad faith.
I see a whole lot of excuses flying form Democrats to try and distract from the fact that they're voting for Genocide Joe in November.
This thread is littered with them.
If you actually cared about saving Palestine, your best bet is genocide Joe whether you like it or not.
Every other option just increases the chance for Turbo Genocide Donny to "finish the job", and you know it.
But you don't care about Palestine, do you? You just want to sow chaos in the US.
That’s it 100%.
Who are you voting for?
If you’re wonder why it seems like no one takes you seriously, it’s the “gEnoCiDe jOe” thing. It’s just as cringy as “Let’S gO bRaNdOn! but with the added take that it’s coming for a group of people that should know better.
You will never see me say 'Let's go Brandon'.
Genocide Joe is an appropriate nickname though. Joe's done everything he can to earn it.
Nah.. while you're dead, they'll just use your last address of residency and full name to cast your vote for you. You can enjoy staying in the grave-slumber.
Oh get out of here with your facts. The kids are having a circlejerk. They weren't born at the time. They can't be expected to know these things.
Oh, he's just following orders!
It's not like we have other laws requiring you not to support genocide for this exact situation that he can use to halt arms shipments.
What is that law? Closest I think I can get is HR 4986 sec 227 which mentions Israel, but I can't read further. Who put it in place?
From the linked politico article,
Legally, the U.S. can’t cut Israel off completely. Since 2008, the U.S. has had to weigh all arms sales to Israel and other countries in the region against the requirement that Israel maintains a “qualitative military edge” against all enemies, both state and non-state actors.
In 2008, George W. Bush was in his second term as president.
Yes, Bush was the president for most of 2008. Obama got a short portion, although the exact president in place doesn't necessarily tell you if they agreed anyway. Since president's don't really write law, I was looking for the exact law to see the history of which representatives were pushing it. I wanted to see what the angle was for that piece of the bill and what else was attached to it. Nothing gets passed as an individual law, meaning it was probably a rider in a much larger group of laws that likely made it a non-negotiable requirement bundled into a more pressing matter.
But I guess 9+ people read my simple question as total contempt for the situation.
Obama was inaugurated in January 2009, though he was elected in 2008, so it’s easy to confuse.
This is the faction a lot of our elected leaders think should be 'strong'.
Tankies don't show up to forums about headlines they can't cram into their preordained propaganda forms.
Yeah, those stupid kids should just realize that one constant in America is that we kill or enable the killing of children. They should just accept that children will be killed in their name and get over themselves like us grown ups.
No, it isn't.
We want to replace Genocide Joe with the Greens.
Unfortunately most American voters lack a conscience, so it's not going to happen.
Unfortunately most American voters lack a conscience, so it’s not going to happen.
If you actually want to attract people to your cause, you may want to consider changing your tone. It could also be beneficial to mention some positive things about the candidate that you recommend instead of just bashing the current regime.
I'm shouting into the void and I know it. Nothing I do or say will change anything.
I can look at the last 40 years and be astonished at how little American voters care about their own welfare, and rest assured that the election in November will likely be 49% to 49%, because for some reason they all are just exceptionally well-programmed to vote for the candidates that the wealthy want them to vote for. All of them are poorer now, both economically and socially, than they were even just ten years ago. They can see with their own two eyes that they get poorer no matter which party we elect, and it doesn't stop them from voting solely on team color anyway.
Hell, the Democrats had Marianne Williamson, an anti-war, pro-living wage, pro-universal health care candidate who can actually form a coherent thought in their primary. They decided overwhelmingly that they wanted the old, addled warmonger to be their president, even though he's done nothing meaningful to try and fix their poverty, opting to spend his time keeping his scumbag son out of prison and the war money flowing to other countries.
Then your desire to shout about your bigger-than-average conscience is at odds with your desire to replace the Democrats with the Greens. You do make a difference.
Biden spanked Trump once and he can do it again.
Oh no, you're making a difference for sure. You're absolutely pushing people AWAY from the green party.
As if you'd ever diverge from your partisan programming.
Nice job proving my point.
That's okay. Thanks and god bless.
Lmao, comment more.
You're definitely not making yourself look like you need live-in nursing care to wipe your ass.
You're also making really REALLY good, logical fair points and you're totally not moving the goalposts.
Take your bad faith ba to .ml or hexbear, you troglodyte.
She's a typical modern Republican politician. She loves money, and will support literally anyone who cuts taxes, and works to remove regulations that hinder profit. That's it. That's all they care about. All the culture war stuff is to keep the poors blaming each other than coming after her masters.
Why would you think it's a good political move to sign a bomb in such a controversial conflict. It boggles my mind who suggested that as a good idea.
The conflict is only controversial to one party.
Unlike Hollywood movies, things aren't always black and white. It is quite possible that both sides are. Neither the Hamas nor Nethanyahu government are the good guys. Both sides try to exterminate the other side. Both sides also don't mind killing innocent people in their way.
It is a fucked up situation, and with recent developments it looks like it is turning into Israel's Afghanistan. Biden was right warning Nethanyahu to not make the same mistake at US did after 9/11.
I responded to a comment asking why a national politician would choose a side in a conflict. My response was that her political party has picked a side to support by a wide majority.
Republicans support Israel in this conflict almost universally. Haley's support of Israel isn't controversial in her own party.
This wasn't a statement on the morality of the conflict, but of the political support of the belligerents. Republicans support Israel.
Apologies, I misinterpreted the word "party" I thought it was a party in the conflict like Israel vs Gazans. And that Israel supporters don't see it as controversial.
But Israelis DONT see it as controversial. Surveys of Israelis show 68% oppose humanitarian aid to Gaza. Intentional collective punishment and starvation are war crimes but they enjoy wide support in Israel; Netanyahu’s use of them is not considered objectionable by the mainstream and that’s not why the Israeli public is angry at him.
Bud, there is no duty to send people free food. Humanitarian aid is a nice gesture. Stopping it isn't a war crime. Like what are you even talking about?
That’s an impressive attempt at spinning.
This isn’t about Israel giving free food, but that Israel is intentionally BLOCKING all food shipments into the Gaza Strip AND blowing up water and food production facilities to intentionally create a famine. The Geneva Conventions require you to ensure the health and safety of civilians of land you control. Intentional and deliberate starvation of civilians is a WAR CRIME. I can’t spell it out any further for you.
They aren't blocking all food shipments. This is false. Israel helped open three new desolinization plants since the war started. You got tricked.
They blocked all food shipments for months and only relented after the US and ICJ pressured them and even then it’s only a trickle and not enough to sustain life. The confirmed famine is happening BECAUSE Israel is intercepting and blocking food from entering despite the long line of literally hundreds of trucks at israel-controlled crossings. It’s pure sophistry to suggest otherwise.
This is not true. Line length varies, hundreds of trucks go through every day. Some are held up. Yeah there is active combat in Rafah, that crossing has been closed some lately. You cannot cherry pick a couple of things that were true on one or two occasions and pretend its representative of the entire thing.
Hey, maybe Gaza could use their airport or their waterport to import as much food as they want? Oh wait, they gave them to Hamas who turned them into instrumentalities for international terrorism.
Hey, maybe they could import whatever they want through Egypt. Oh wait, Egypt doesn't want Hamas using their border to import weapons and fighters, either.
There is no amount of aid that Israel is obligated to provide that is the cause of any hunger in Gaza. If people in Gaza are hungry, they should look to their own leadership, who are fucking fat, well fed, Happy to have all the food they want while neighbors and families are food insecure.
The fact that they provide any food is what makes them the most moral Army in the world. Any other Army would have leveled Gaza and everyone in it 20 suicide bombings ago.
Like I said above, pure sophistry on your part.
Israel is occupying Gaza currently, there are no civil services left. This is not in dispute and Israel admits this. International law says that the occupying power has responsibility to ensure the health and wellbeing of the civilian population. Israel is intentionally denying food from being delivered, they closed the borders for months until Biden pressured Israel to reopen them. That’s not Hamas’ fault. In fact, the Israeli government used intentional starvation as leverage to try and force Hamas to free hostages, but that’s also illegal and a war crime because you’re killing people unaffiliated with Hamas as a means to pressure them.
hundreds of trucks go through every day
It was zero for months, and even today it’s not at prewar levels and too low to prevent a famine. That’s Israel’s responsibility and no other, both under law and by the consequence of their actions. The IDF destroying desalination plants and farms means there’s no means of growing local food left, so even more food trucks are needed than prewar. 500 trucks a day was needed prewar and far more are needed now but the recent average has been 300 trucks a day. That’s because the IDF demands inspections of foreign goods and delays and rejects them arbitrarily. Again, the end responsibility is on Israel to feed the population since they now occupy the land and they aren’t doing it; not giving their own food or allowing enough foreign food.
Gaza has been blockaded since 2007 and that previous excuse of there being a Hamas government is no longer applicable; Hamas is no longer in control of 70% of the land in Gaza according to the Israeli government and therefore the responsibility to avoid famine is now on the occupying government. You may not like it but that’s the law including in Israel where they are bound by the Geneva Conventions.
There is no amount of aid that Israel is obligated to provide that is the cause of any hunger in Gaza
Completely wrong and ignorant of Israeli and international law as noted above.
I’m not going to waste any further time if you don’t know any of this. It’s settled international law, which is why it’s not just the UN, ICC, ICJ, many NGOs, and many governments including parts of the Israeli government that aren’t rightwing who all publicly admit this.
In the discussion of American politics, the Republican Party is very pro-Israel. The Republican Speaker of the House has gone as far to invite Netanyahu to address Congress as a show of friendship and support. The opposition to this invitation has mainly been from Democratic members.
American voters could punish Biden for being complicit in genocide, but that punishment isn't going to end the genocide.
Why WHY would Joe Biden sign off on providing Nikki Haley with PERMANENT MARKERS!
An incredible oversight. How can he recover from this?
Ugh... We've discovered it was from her personal stash. I think we should shutdown Wallmart for this.
The only recourse is something that is obviously such a terrible idea that I shouldn't even have to explain the details to you, you should know what to do based on how egregiously, obnoxiously bad the concept of a solution is.
Thanks, Obama.
Hey Nikki, why don't you use your birth name - Nimarata Nikki Randhawa?🤔
That isn't, in my opinion, something to criticize her for.
If we are going to respect people's names and pronouns, that needs to apply to Republicans too, even if you suspect they changed their name for political reasons.
Caitlyn Jenner is an absolute piece of shit who killed someone, but I'm not going to call her Bruce because of it.
Should we not hold republicans to their own standards? Taking the high road doesn't always work.
We should hold ourselves to our own standards.
Well my standards don't allow me to let hypocrites eat their cake and have it too. She wants to be in a party of racists then I'm going to mention her attempt to hide her race.
Then shouldn't you call Caitlyn Jenner 'Bruce?' She's in the party of anti-trans bigots after all.
It's ok, I can still mention her being an absolutely remorseless cunt.
And let rest of the GOP ostracize her cause no amount of cumgurgling is going to make her 'one of them'.
Sure, there are lots and lots of other things you can say about that horrible person.
It's not her name, it's that she panders to a base who would hate her if she used it. She's a hypocrite.
You could say "it's not her name" about Caitlyn Jenner too.
Why shouldn't people have the right to be called what they want to be called?
Sauce for the goose, my friend. Going high while our opponents go low is why this nation is in the state it is right now. If they chose to wrestle in the muck rather than abide by civilized rules, then I'm more than content to get dirty and fight them there if that serves me best. I see no reason to cede them any advantage out of an outmoded sense of fair play.
As I said to someone else, then shouldn't you call Caitlyn Jenner 'Bruce' for the same reason?
Is Caitlyn Jenner refusing to respect other people's pronouns/names or used the issue as a political weapon? As far as I know, her only position is that people should relax about cases of accidentally misgendering people.
Nikki Haley, on the other hand, has made numerous public statements attacking the use of people's chosen pronouns. So yes, I feel fine attacking her on the issue because she has chosen it as a weapon against others.
I agree that we shouldn't misgender people or intentionally call them by the wrong name, but I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing out the hypocrisy of their political stance.
Republicans are actively persecuting people are transgender and foreigners (or people who sound like foreigners), so to point out how they are being hypocritical is not all that out of line imo.
Pointing out the hypocrisy and intentionally calling her by the name she doesn't wish to go by are two different things. Sure, point out why she might have change her name. But respect people's name choices.
Probably because it sounds like Nimrod, which Bugs Bunny successfully turned into a pejorative
Or, y’know, because it’s the GOP and she wants to sound whiter
Totally random, but reading your comment reminded me that there is an Israeli competition climber named Nimrod.
Huh.
These are the people that are going to be ruling America soon.
These are the people who have been ruling America for a long time.
And it will be the end of popular elections, period. Congratulations, assholes, you got your dictatorship to own the cucks.
That'll happen when you give Democrats the presidency and a majority in Congress and all they do with it is issue blank checks for war instead of addressing the needs of the poor and working class.
It's a replay of 2016, when Hillary (and Obama before her) ignored the Rust Belt and it lost her the presidency.
and a majority in Congress
Democrats do not have a super majority, which is a problem thanks to the fillabuster. So the only branch of government the democrats have is the executive, which is not enough to fix things.
Oh? and what are republicans doing for the poor and working class?
If your reflexive response is: "But they suck too!" you should realize it's not the fantastic defense you think it is.
Failed Republican presidential nominees writing on artillery shells is the result of Democrats in the White House and Congress? Interesting.
No.
The bombs are the result of Democrats in the White House and Congress, seeing as how they're the ones in power and they support arming a genocidal apartheid. What people write on them isn't of any real consequence to me. I'm angry about the fact that we're still sending them weapons.
Why is it that you’ve never once said anything critical of anything from the right? I’d love an answer if you’re able.
Because even on a post that’s specifically critical of the right, you do nothing but bring up Biden. That’s VERY curious.
The evil of the right is self-evident.
But I count it more evil to pretend one is progressive and then do exactly the same things the right-wing people are doing.
Riiiiiight…. And you think other people will accept this as a reason?
Not at all.
Democrats, by and large, don't accept any criticism of their party, preferring instead to make excuses or feign powerlessness on the part of their elected officials. (They share that trait with Republicans, in fact.)
And then an instance happens where having the same position as the Republicans means you either have to accept genocide or pretend in your head that you're still morally superior while the president you want us all to vote for sends the weapons over to make it happen.
It's like that meme with the red button. Your cognitive dissonance is impressive.
See? This is where the problem is. Your inability to read for context, instead of fulfilling some need for your ideology to be correct- regardless of reality.
No one said you can’t or shouldn’t criticize the Democratic Party. This is a right we have and is necessary to exercise. The problem is- people like you seem to think that by criticizing YOU- and your decision to yell at people to not vote… is somehow a declaration to deny your right to criticize. Criticize all you wish- just don’t be foolish enough to think that not doing something (voting) will bring change. It’s a mistake that every generation seemingly always makes when they’re young. Mine included.
And note what is going on here. YOU seemingly whine that everyone is being mean to you, while you simultaneously accuse others of shit they’re not doing. And all the while- you assume no one notices this.
Oh you're saying the Republicans in power don't agree with providing weapons to Israel?
"Doublethink is a process of indoctrination in which subjects are expected to simultaneously accept two conflicting beliefs as truth, often at odds with their own memory or sense of reality. Doublethink is related to, but differs from, hypocrisy."
Edited to add:
It's a common tactic with fascist regimes. Nazis used to do it with Jewish propaganda by simultaneously claiming that Jews were weak vermin that needed to be exterminated and that they are this supervillain that controls all the money.
You currently see it a lot with the people chanting "Genocide Joe" and claiming he is some mastermind warhawk with at the same time claiming that he is some feeble, senile old man. He's Schrödinger's politician!
Ah I remember the days of "Obama, The Weak-Willed Tyrant" an incompetent man with a genius level intellect according to Fox News..
Edit: For context, I'm talking about 2008-2015ish when the Right claimed Obama was too soft to stand up to America's enemies and was this "weak child of a man", and that he was also this evil corrupt tyrant who gave no one an inch, claiming him to be a moron and yet also a diabolical mastermind plotting the Muslim Takeover of America
The amount of Racism was fucking unreal. Especially down here in the South, I rolled my eyes at a lot of "Vote for the Mormon, not the Muslim!" in 2012
Obama's not even Arabic! Why the fuck did everyone think he was a muslim? And even if he was, who fucking cares?
Do you remember during the 2008 campaign when there was criticism over Obama's pastor being too outspoken in his church? In back to back segments fox would reflect on Obama's dangerous version of Christianity while also saying he was a Muslim...
Why the fuck did everyone think he was a muslim?
Barack Hussein Obama
I don't know man. You tell me.
I feel like most people believe one or the other and the internet makes groups feel like one big person.
I feel like that may be true also, but I was referring to the groups pushing the agenda/propaganda, not the ones being affected by it. The ones propagandizing doublethink are the big issue IMO.
You have gravely misunderstood the Genocide Joe label, lol
So what do you think the Republican leadership hopeful Nikki Haley meant by writing "finish them" on an Israeli bomb?
Liberals 🤣
That's almost the most evasive thing you could have said. The question was what do you think the Republican leadership hopeful Nikki Haley meant by writing “finish them” on an Israeli bomb?
That they're as genocidal as the Democrats.
That doesn't make Biden a criminal mastermind playing 4d chess, it makes him a head of state who supports it.
This doesn't make sense bro, are you ok?
What, exactly, doesn't make sense to you?
You're equating Biden, who said don't bomb Rafah with Hayley who said kill them all? Riiiiight.
"Ooohhh don't bomb them with the bombs we gave you we'll do nothing if you do despite multiple laws requiring us to not keep giving you bombs ohhhh noooo"
And you people wonder why the actual left keeps muttering about what happens when you get scratched, lul.
Well, actually there's the law passed in 2008 requiring him to ensure that Israel is better armed than all of its neighbours.
The election is on a knife edge according to the polls. Who do you think would be worse for Gaza, Biden or Trump?
Trump.
Now stop pretending Biden isn't enabling a genocide, that his baseline Constitutional powers don't give him plenty of authority by themselves, and the dozens of laws and treaties prohibiting America from arming a genocidal state don't apply because this one law you haven't actually read says "nuh uh, this is a SUPER law."
Now stop pretending that allowing Trump to win means worse atrocities in Gaza and more encouragement for despots everywhere, including for Russia winning the war invading Ukraine.
Not sure on their current thinking but the root of that line of thinking predates Israel: European nationalist antisemites would say "Jews don't have a homeland that's why they're wrecking havoc everywhere else, they're jealous".
Also some Christians believe the rapture will only come after Israel is back in the hands of the Jews. Since it hasn't happened already, they might think that it has to be completely in the hands of the Jews. It might be about Jerusalem instead of all of Israel.
So they can still hate them while wanting them to fulfill their "prophecy". Once they control whatever land some Bible contributor says they need to control, then God will punish them while rewarding all the good white folks in a way that lets them skip the whole scary dying thing.
Not sure if this specific asshole subscribes to that belief, it might just be normal Nazism (the Nazis wanted to send the Jews to Madagascar before understanding that you can't just send a large group of people to some other location without some kind of military conquest, which is part of why they called the Holocaust the "final solution").
FYI: Most of those braindead “am I not allowed to criticize Biden???” comments and posts on social media are a concerted effort by right-wingers from /pol and other such sewers, trying to get people to not vote against Trump. Don’t fall for it. These aren’t “lefties” or “tankies”. Just downvote, report, and ignore.
Maybe they're involved, but a much bigger player pushing that line of reasoning is the Kremlin. They want to get Trump elected again so he cuts aid to Ukraine.
And work to undermine NATO.
Plus, there's 4 years of new Top Secret info for Trump to turn over to Putin.
You think he'll give up power after four years? He's already actively undermining the US' democracy.
I was talking the last 4 years of Top Secret info created during the Biden administration. Because you know that Biden, unlike Trump, isn't giving away our Top Secret info to Putin. But, Trump will package it all up neatly with a bow, and hand it over to Putin the first chance he gets.
Lemmy is fucking FULL of them. Every other post is some Israel / Genocide Joe bullshit.
If you didn't know any better you'd think Joe is literally flying a bomber over Gaza right now.
It's getting tiresome even down voting this crap.
Don't forget to tag shills so you can keep an eye on them
how do you tag?
I'm my software I click on the username and then the menu button in the top right.
Other software might require a click and hold. It might say "add user note"
Yeah, honestly it makes me wonder if Lemmy is also already over.
Why are they wasting effort on like 200 leftist techies? They could get a lot more bang for their buck on Facebook.
They are on all social media platforms.
They have plenty of automated bots there too
Democrats not doing all the faschie shit they claim to be saving us from challenge level impossible.
Don't like Joe? You're a bot.
Have a laundry list of gripes about Joe? Nope you're a single issue voter whining about a single racial cleansing like a baby.
Blue MAGA out here working overtime blaming the left for any and every Democratic loss, claim to hate Republicans but will hand an election to them every 4 years before they concede even an inch to the left instead of sprinting right to "court voters" that were NEVER going to vote with them.
That kind of propaganda is very common now so it makes sense that people have their guards up.
Awww poor guy
Typical republican filth.
This woman has no soul
Same lady who rolls up her windows when traveling through the "bad part of town"
I can assure you she never travels through the bad part of town...
Moderate by GOP standards. Moderately less of a nazi or something like that
She's not even that. She went full Nazi when she called for the culling of the American people. Gas chambers and concentration camps.
She's the spitting image of American centrism.
Haley is one sick puppy.
Uh oh, don't tell Kristi Noem...
On the contrary..
Maybe Noem will step up. Do what’s necessary.
See, that's why I can't vote for Biden. /s
I mean, Biden's the reason those bombs are there to begin with.
If you actually cared about Palestine to survive, your best bet is to vote Biden.
All the alternatives will make the situation literally worse.
But you don't care about Palestine do you? You just want Trump to win. Since your overlord Pootin commanded you to.
If you actually cared about Palestine, you'd be on the streets demanding immediate action instead of begging people to check a box months from now when half a million Palestinians have starved to death.
Who says I haven't?
Because you’re hyper fixated on a vote months from now that won’t help Palestinians at the current moment? Your priorities are pretty clear.
So. Let me get this straight. My BEST bet would be to vote for the same guy whose administration continues to provide billions of dollars in weapons to conduct airstrikes on refugee camps, and sometimes makes "We're outraged! Who would have thought Israel would continue killing civilians!" comnents. You're really as delusional as the other side. Greetings from a Pootin troll.
Yes that's exactly right, because the alternative manages to somehow be even worse. All hail the two party system.
Glad you got it!
That administration isn't writing "finish them" on the bombs.
Or what did you think would happen if Biden lost? Some green party that hasn't gotten more than 5% of votes somehow winning?
If she didn’t have any bombs to write on in the first place, people might not have such an issue with biden.
Nice work, Dimitri, how’s the weather in St. Petersburg?
If I'm Dmitri, you're Hermann.
I'm not the one sitting here making excuses for apartheid and genocide, Hermann.
No, you're the one supporting the side whose potential VP candidate wrote "Finish them" on a piece of artillery to be used in the genocide that you pretend to be against, because she rightly believes their base will eat it up and doing so will help her get elected.
You just outed yourself, only Russians would know how to spell “Dmitri” right
Nope sorry only explanation is that you're Russian. Or if you somehow prove you're not Russian, then you're a useful idiot. Even the people who have voted third party for years, you've actually always been Russian.
Another lie.
You drop older stock bombs first so you don't have to decommission them. Everyone knows that. Israel already has all the bombs it needs to turn all of Gaza and the West Bank into a sheet of glass a dozen times over. Wtf are you talking about Biden sent them the weapons? American policy as to Israel has everything to do with its posture as to Iran and fuck all to do with Israel's posture as to Gaza, except that the West will not let Gaza or the West Bank fall into the hands of Iranian backed terrorists, i.e. Hamas.
She was ambassador to the UN. The Republicans and Likud together constitute the new Nazi party. Nationalist Zionists.
Vile
She's always been a ghoul
How hard can it be to not act on your weird chauvinsitic impulses in public as a politician?
Apparently it's pretty difficult.
Not oniony -- just normal Nikki Haley things, by this point.
Someone should finish her.
What a callous human being. I'm sickened by her actions.
War is literally a game to the GOP
She’s desi though
Chat, can we get an Indian to post a version of this that says desi so I don't get cancelled?
Nah let's still get rid of white women tho
Cow.
Not surprised.
Indians love Israeli creampies. And Indians generally hate Islam.
Hindu nationalists often hate Islam. Haley is American-born to a Sikh family.
Hindu nationalists, not Indians. Don't lump us all together with those fuckers. Indians born to immigrants in Western countries in particular have very little issue with Islam and detest what India is becoming.
You misspelled Republicans. Most US-based Indians aren't anti-Islamic because they often get lumped in with muslims when Republicans go on xenophobic crusades.
Lol. This is the party they want to replace 'genocide joe' with. Well done, kids!
Yes but see, if we just sit on our hands and don't vote we won't have any responsibility for what follows! Only voting for someone who is less than ideal on this issue is a morally bad choice!
I totally understand the point most of them are trying to make and agree with the sentiment, but they're fucking morons. 100% absolute jibbering idiots.
This is an ugly binary choice here because the United States electoral system is a steaming pile of horse shit. Do what I, your friendly neighborhood lefty, am doing and swallow your pride and vote for center right Joe Biden because he's leagues better than the dementia-addled, fascist Cheeto Benito. Then take all the disgust you've built up by voting for and living with another neoliberal corporate shill presidency and work your ass off to make sure we don't have to keep voting between Dumb and Dumber every fucking election.
Do it because we'll only be gently tiptoeing to the right under a Biden presidency, so it's less likely you'll end up in jail for discussing the "wrong" political ideology while that orange shitstained merkin would have me in jail just for writing this were it up to him. Don't make it up to him.
Every time I encounter the "don't vote" brigade, my first thought is that it's a Russian or Chinese troll trying to get Trump elected again.
My second thought, which is a bit more nuanced, is some introspection on what Biden is actually doing. He has three options with regards to Israel, none of them good.
I don't know that Biden is doing a very good job with #3, but #1 would be a catastrophe, and #2 is what Trump wants.
This is a shitty situation in every conceivable way. Our ally, Israel, is currently being run by a corrupt and genocidal freak. There are no good answers to a situation like that beyond Israel coming to its senses and throwing Netanyahu in prison. But there are plenty of really bad answers, and Trump would be the worst.
This post is fully accurate.
I just want to say that there's probably a large contingent of kids who are happy doing nothing because they're not happy with the choices, while the conservatives proceed and reelect that orange turd back into office. If you're American, vote like your libertt depends on it, because it likely does.
Why?
Biden is doing this - he is threatening the ICC and ICJ
Biden is not doing this. We have not stopped weapon shipments and have clearly been unable (more like unwilling) to stop or prevent Israel's genocide
Also, Israel is not our ally. Their geopolitical interests align with Putin. Which is why they are trying to get Trump elected so that they can destroy the remnants of the "rules based international order" and begin in earnest their conquest of Greater Israel
Because Iran is a Russian ally and Russian proxy.
No, he isn't. Where in the world are you getting the idea that he's literally "threatening" either?
Dude, we temporarily halted shipments earlier this month to put pressure on Netanyahu. Were you sleeping?
Netanyahu's interests may align with Putin, but only insofar as both seem hell-bent on destabilizing the region. Putin would gladly let Iran stroll right into Israel and slaughter everyone in it. Israel's own actual interests do not remotely align with Putin's.
Yes, but why does that mean stopping US weapons shipments to Israel would cause Iran to invade/attack/etc? Israel has a huge weapons stockpile and is still a Western ally - they just happen to be committing genocide with American funds and bombs.
https://www.ft.com/content/6700a246-e0cd-49d8-b5ef-d2379e86290f
"The administration of President Joe Biden will work with Congress on possible sanctions against the International Criminal Court after its prosecutor announced it was seeking arrest warrants for senior Israeli and Hamas officials, US secretary of state Antony Blinken said on Tuesday."
We resumed those shipments and funds, and Israel has since crossed Biden's red line and attacked Rafah
Netanyahu/Likud are dictators who control Israel. Until he/they are removed, their interests are Israel's interests. Which means that Israel is a Russian asset with a stranglehold on American funds thanks to AIPAC
I'd just like to remind you folks the headline you're debating under:
Biden/Dems sent the genocide bombs and Haley/Republicans autographed them.
I'm not sure how that improves things
US presidents are required by American law since 2008 to ensure that Israel is better armed than all its neighbours. Biden doesn't have a real choice unless he can get a bill through both houses to stop arming Israel. I don't think that's even remotely realistic.
Trump would be twice as bad for Palestine. "Finish them" is an actual call to genocide.
But you don't care for facts, you just want to blame Biden for everything that you think left wingers might not like so they'll not vote and Trump can get in.
Or else what?
Also, funding and arming genocide is also illegal. And immoral. And stupid.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leahy_Law
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1091
Sounds like Nikki Haley is supposed to be fined half a million dollars in that there anti genocide law you linked to:
I don't think you can interpret Nikki Haley writing "finish them" on an Israeli bomb as anything other than a call to genocide.
Sorry if that interrupts your attempt to make this news article not about Nikki Haley writing "finish them" on an Israeli bomb.
The bombs were already there. These are old bombs.
Why is Biden sending bombs then?
Iran.
I would like to solve your trolley problem with multi track drifting please
That's only worked a handful of times, long ago.
So you're saying if I vote, I'll be complicit and won't have anything to complain or blame others about, and have to take responsibility for the consequence of my vote? Fuck that shit!
I don't think I said that. Can you show me where I did?
I will say that you have a slice of responsibility over the future, and you'll have to live with the consequences of whatever decision you end up making - including the one where you sit on your hands. No matter what you do, you can still complain about it, but the future will be whichever one we collectively steer to. One of those possible futures is worse than the other. So it seems to me that we should steer away from it, rather than wrong our hands about how we don't like the choices. Sure, you don't like the choices. They're the choices regardless. Model the outcomes of each possibility, decide which one you hate the least and steer towards it, because we are getting a future selected from among the possibilities. Jesus is not going to rapture us out of this.
Forgot the /s. But the kids seem to believe that sitting it out in protest is better than voting the lesser of 2 evils. This is how a dictator comes into power. Agree with everything you said.
Yeah, I've been having this argument a lot lately, so the sarcasm shit right past me. It's exhausting trying to get people to understand that no, really, genocide a * 3 plus additional genocide b is worse than genocide a alone.
You do realize that "less than ideal" is probably an inadequate way to describe Joe funding a genocidal apartheid, right?
It's astonishing to me how comfortable you are with fascism, provided it wears a blue jersey.
Yes. Humans are given to certainty and judgement in excess of what the evidence merits, so I have taken to understatement.
I'm not convinced that Joe Biden is fascism, though. Would you be so kind as to compare him to Umberto eco's list, and share examples on each point? Trump seems like a much better match to that, but perhaps I have missed something.
I'm gonna vote for Biden if I have to rise from the dead and crawl through broken glass to do so, and I hope everyone reading this thread does.
I'm not willing to pretend he's not facilitating an ongoing genocide though.
Truth. Unfortunately. Brandon 2024.
I'm not.
I'm not American nor in the US.
Lucky you lol
Not really. I'm in Northern Ireland and my vote does fuck all to affect who's elected UK Prime Minister. The current governing party runs candidates here but they've never won a seat and their closest competitors don't run any candidates at all here. Never mind I live in a stronghold seat so it won't change anyway.
Have you tried driving your neighbors to the polling place and before you get there telling them how the other candidate fed glass to your dog?
Personal failure, smh
This. You deal with the choice in front of you, and not the ones you wish you had. Life is bigger than our little worlds.
Who makes you pretend that? You guys all want a medal for preaching to the choir?
The Democratic party expects their members to pretend that what's happening in Gaza is not a genocide. They censured Rep Tlaib for saying so in Congress.
Or, it's actually not.
Reported as election interference
So what you're saying is that you're a-okay with fascism and genocide, provided it wears a blue jersey?
I don't think anyone is saying that. You're just arguing in bad faith.
I see a whole lot of excuses flying form Democrats to try and distract from the fact that they're voting for Genocide Joe in November.
This thread is littered with them.
If you actually cared about saving Palestine, your best bet is genocide Joe whether you like it or not.
Every other option just increases the chance for Turbo Genocide Donny to "finish the job", and you know it.
But you don't care about Palestine, do you? You just want to sow chaos in the US.
That’s it 100%.
Who are you voting for?
If you’re wonder why it seems like no one takes you seriously, it’s the “gEnoCiDe jOe” thing. It’s just as cringy as “Let’S gO bRaNdOn! but with the added take that it’s coming for a group of people that should know better.
You will never see me say 'Let's go Brandon'.
Genocide Joe is an appropriate nickname though. Joe's done everything he can to earn it.
Nah.. while you're dead, they'll just use your last address of residency and full name to cast your vote for you. You can enjoy staying in the grave-slumber.
It would be nice if people actually knew what they were talking about though. Biden is REQUIRED by a law that was put in place years ago to provide Israel with weapons.
Oh get out of here with your facts. The kids are having a circlejerk. They weren't born at the time. They can't be expected to know these things.
Oh, he's just following orders!
It's not like we have other laws requiring you not to support genocide for this exact situation that he can use to halt arms shipments.
What is that law? Closest I think I can get is HR 4986 sec 227 which mentions Israel, but I can't read further. Who put it in place?
From the linked politico article,
In 2008, George W. Bush was in his second term as president.
Yes, Bush was the president for most of 2008. Obama got a short portion, although the exact president in place doesn't necessarily tell you if they agreed anyway. Since president's don't really write law, I was looking for the exact law to see the history of which representatives were pushing it. I wanted to see what the angle was for that piece of the bill and what else was attached to it. Nothing gets passed as an individual law, meaning it was probably a rider in a much larger group of laws that likely made it a non-negotiable requirement bundled into a more pressing matter.
But I guess 9+ people read my simple question as total contempt for the situation.
Obama was inaugurated in January 2009, though he was elected in 2008, so it’s easy to confuse.
This is the faction a lot of our elected leaders think should be 'strong'.
Tankies don't show up to forums about headlines they can't cram into their preordained propaganda forms.
Yeah, those stupid kids should just realize that one constant in America is that we kill or enable the killing of children. They should just accept that children will be killed in their name and get over themselves like us grown ups.
No, it isn't.
We want to replace Genocide Joe with the Greens.
Unfortunately most American voters lack a conscience, so it's not going to happen.
If you actually want to attract people to your cause, you may want to consider changing your tone. It could also be beneficial to mention some positive things about the candidate that you recommend instead of just bashing the current regime.
I'm shouting into the void and I know it. Nothing I do or say will change anything.
I can look at the last 40 years and be astonished at how little American voters care about their own welfare, and rest assured that the election in November will likely be 49% to 49%, because for some reason they all are just exceptionally well-programmed to vote for the candidates that the wealthy want them to vote for. All of them are poorer now, both economically and socially, than they were even just ten years ago. They can see with their own two eyes that they get poorer no matter which party we elect, and it doesn't stop them from voting solely on team color anyway.
Hell, the Democrats had Marianne Williamson, an anti-war, pro-living wage, pro-universal health care candidate who can actually form a coherent thought in their primary. They decided overwhelmingly that they wanted the old, addled warmonger to be their president, even though he's done nothing meaningful to try and fix their poverty, opting to spend his time keeping his scumbag son out of prison and the war money flowing to other countries.
Then your desire to shout about your bigger-than-average conscience is at odds with your desire to replace the Democrats with the Greens. You do make a difference.
Biden spanked Trump once and he can do it again.
Oh no, you're making a difference for sure. You're absolutely pushing people AWAY from the green party.
As if you'd ever diverge from your partisan programming.
Nice job proving my point.
That's okay. Thanks and god bless.
Lmao, comment more.
You're definitely not making yourself look like you need live-in nursing care to wipe your ass.
You're also making really REALLY good, logical fair points and you're totally not moving the goalposts.
Take your bad faith ba to .ml or hexbear, you troglodyte.
What a cunt
She's a typical modern Republican politician. She loves money, and will support literally anyone who cuts taxes, and works to remove regulations that hinder profit. That's it. That's all they care about. All the culture war stuff is to keep the poors blaming each other than coming after her masters.
As a great lady once said, "she's a feckless cunt".
Why would you think it's a good political move to sign a bomb in such a controversial conflict. It boggles my mind who suggested that as a good idea.
The conflict is only controversial to one party.
Unlike Hollywood movies, things aren't always black and white. It is quite possible that both sides are. Neither the Hamas nor Nethanyahu government are the good guys. Both sides try to exterminate the other side. Both sides also don't mind killing innocent people in their way.
It is a fucked up situation, and with recent developments it looks like it is turning into Israel's Afghanistan. Biden was right warning Nethanyahu to not make the same mistake at US did after 9/11.
I responded to a comment asking why a national politician would choose a side in a conflict. My response was that her political party has picked a side to support by a wide majority.
Republicans support Israel in this conflict almost universally. Haley's support of Israel isn't controversial in her own party.
This wasn't a statement on the morality of the conflict, but of the political support of the belligerents. Republicans support Israel.
Apologies, I misinterpreted the word "party" I thought it was a party in the conflict like Israel vs Gazans. And that Israel supporters don't see it as controversial.
But Israelis DONT see it as controversial. Surveys of Israelis show 68% oppose humanitarian aid to Gaza. Intentional collective punishment and starvation are war crimes but they enjoy wide support in Israel; Netanyahu’s use of them is not considered objectionable by the mainstream and that’s not why the Israeli public is angry at him.
Bud, there is no duty to send people free food. Humanitarian aid is a nice gesture. Stopping it isn't a war crime. Like what are you even talking about?
That’s an impressive attempt at spinning.
This isn’t about Israel giving free food, but that Israel is intentionally BLOCKING all food shipments into the Gaza Strip AND blowing up water and food production facilities to intentionally create a famine. The Geneva Conventions require you to ensure the health and safety of civilians of land you control. Intentional and deliberate starvation of civilians is a WAR CRIME. I can’t spell it out any further for you.
They aren't blocking all food shipments. This is false. Israel helped open three new desolinization plants since the war started. You got tricked.
They blocked all food shipments for months and only relented after the US and ICJ pressured them and even then it’s only a trickle and not enough to sustain life. The confirmed famine is happening BECAUSE Israel is intercepting and blocking food from entering despite the long line of literally hundreds of trucks at israel-controlled crossings. It’s pure sophistry to suggest otherwise.
This is not true. Line length varies, hundreds of trucks go through every day. Some are held up. Yeah there is active combat in Rafah, that crossing has been closed some lately. You cannot cherry pick a couple of things that were true on one or two occasions and pretend its representative of the entire thing.
Hey, maybe Gaza could use their airport or their waterport to import as much food as they want? Oh wait, they gave them to Hamas who turned them into instrumentalities for international terrorism.
Hey, maybe they could import whatever they want through Egypt. Oh wait, Egypt doesn't want Hamas using their border to import weapons and fighters, either.
There is no amount of aid that Israel is obligated to provide that is the cause of any hunger in Gaza. If people in Gaza are hungry, they should look to their own leadership, who are fucking fat, well fed, Happy to have all the food they want while neighbors and families are food insecure.
The fact that they provide any food is what makes them the most moral Army in the world. Any other Army would have leveled Gaza and everyone in it 20 suicide bombings ago.
Like I said above, pure sophistry on your part.
Israel is occupying Gaza currently, there are no civil services left. This is not in dispute and Israel admits this. International law says that the occupying power has responsibility to ensure the health and wellbeing of the civilian population. Israel is intentionally denying food from being delivered, they closed the borders for months until Biden pressured Israel to reopen them. That’s not Hamas’ fault. In fact, the Israeli government used intentional starvation as leverage to try and force Hamas to free hostages, but that’s also illegal and a war crime because you’re killing people unaffiliated with Hamas as a means to pressure them.
It was zero for months, and even today it’s not at prewar levels and too low to prevent a famine. That’s Israel’s responsibility and no other, both under law and by the consequence of their actions. The IDF destroying desalination plants and farms means there’s no means of growing local food left, so even more food trucks are needed than prewar. 500 trucks a day was needed prewar and far more are needed now but the recent average has been 300 trucks a day. That’s because the IDF demands inspections of foreign goods and delays and rejects them arbitrarily. Again, the end responsibility is on Israel to feed the population since they now occupy the land and they aren’t doing it; not giving their own food or allowing enough foreign food.
Gaza has been blockaded since 2007 and that previous excuse of there being a Hamas government is no longer applicable; Hamas is no longer in control of 70% of the land in Gaza according to the Israeli government and therefore the responsibility to avoid famine is now on the occupying government. You may not like it but that’s the law including in Israel where they are bound by the Geneva Conventions.
Completely wrong and ignorant of Israeli and international law as noted above.
I’m not going to waste any further time if you don’t know any of this. It’s settled international law, which is why it’s not just the UN, ICC, ICJ, many NGOs, and many governments including parts of the Israeli government that aren’t rightwing who all publicly admit this.
That's why I clarified.
In the discussion of American politics, the Republican Party is very pro-Israel. The Republican Speaker of the House has gone as far to invite Netanyahu to address Congress as a show of friendship and support. The opposition to this invitation has mainly been from Democratic members.
American voters could punish Biden for being complicit in genocide, but that punishment isn't going to end the genocide.
Pretty sure Republicans don't as much support Israel as much as they just want to see Muslims bombed.
There is a long tradition of bipartisan support for Israel and it's because Israel generally shares democratic ideals.
You’re not wrong but did you reply to the right comment?
To some of these people there’s no such thing as bad media coverage.
Yeah, even if you support Israel, this is really in bad taste.
Lemmy is a bubble. Most people don't give half a shit about a small town worth of people in some their world failed state run by terrorists.
Behold, the moderate Republican.
The Moderate Republican, folks.
Why WHY would Joe Biden sign off on providing Nikki Haley with PERMANENT MARKERS!
An incredible oversight. How can he recover from this?
Ugh... We've discovered it was from her personal stash. I think we should shutdown Wallmart for this.
The only recourse is something that is obviously such a terrible idea that I shouldn't even have to explain the details to you, you should know what to do based on how egregiously, obnoxiously bad the concept of a solution is.
Thanks, Obama.
Hey Nikki, why don't you use your birth name - Nimarata Nikki Randhawa?🤔
That isn't, in my opinion, something to criticize her for.
If we are going to respect people's names and pronouns, that needs to apply to Republicans too, even if you suspect they changed their name for political reasons.
Caitlyn Jenner is an absolute piece of shit who killed someone, but I'm not going to call her Bruce because of it.
Should we not hold republicans to their own standards? Taking the high road doesn't always work.
We should hold ourselves to our own standards.
Well my standards don't allow me to let hypocrites eat their cake and have it too. She wants to be in a party of racists then I'm going to mention her attempt to hide her race.
Then shouldn't you call Caitlyn Jenner 'Bruce?' She's in the party of anti-trans bigots after all.
It's ok, I can still mention her being an absolutely remorseless cunt.
And let rest of the GOP ostracize her cause no amount of cumgurgling is going to make her 'one of them'.
Sure, there are lots and lots of other things you can say about that horrible person.
It's not her name, it's that she panders to a base who would hate her if she used it. She's a hypocrite.
You could say "it's not her name" about Caitlyn Jenner too.
Why shouldn't people have the right to be called what they want to be called?
Sauce for the goose, my friend. Going high while our opponents go low is why this nation is in the state it is right now. If they chose to wrestle in the muck rather than abide by civilized rules, then I'm more than content to get dirty and fight them there if that serves me best. I see no reason to cede them any advantage out of an outmoded sense of fair play.
As I said to someone else, then shouldn't you call Caitlyn Jenner 'Bruce' for the same reason?
Is Caitlyn Jenner refusing to respect other people's pronouns/names or used the issue as a political weapon? As far as I know, her only position is that people should relax about cases of accidentally misgendering people.
Nikki Haley, on the other hand, has made numerous public statements attacking the use of people's chosen pronouns. So yes, I feel fine attacking her on the issue because she has chosen it as a weapon against others.
I agree that we shouldn't misgender people or intentionally call them by the wrong name, but I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing out the hypocrisy of their political stance.
Republicans are actively persecuting people are transgender and foreigners (or people who sound like foreigners), so to point out how they are being hypocritical is not all that out of line imo.
Pointing out the hypocrisy and intentionally calling her by the name she doesn't wish to go by are two different things. Sure, point out why she might have change her name. But respect people's name choices.
Probably because it sounds like Nimrod, which Bugs Bunny successfully turned into a pejorative
Or, y’know, because it’s the GOP and she wants to sound whiter
Totally random, but reading your comment reminded me that there is an Israeli competition climber named Nimrod.
Huh.
These are the people that are going to be ruling America soon.
These are the people who have been ruling America for a long time.
And it will be the end of popular elections, period. Congratulations, assholes, you got your dictatorship to own the cucks.
That'll happen when you give Democrats the presidency and a majority in Congress and all they do with it is issue blank checks for war instead of addressing the needs of the poor and working class.
It's a replay of 2016, when Hillary (and Obama before her) ignored the Rust Belt and it lost her the presidency.
Democrats do not have a super majority, which is a problem thanks to the fillabuster. So the only branch of government the democrats have is the executive, which is not enough to fix things.
Oh? and what are republicans doing for the poor and working class?
If your reflexive response is: "But they suck too!" you should realize it's not the fantastic defense you think it is.
It is when one side is better.
Failed Republican presidential nominees writing on artillery shells is the result of Democrats in the White House and Congress? Interesting.
No.
The bombs are the result of Democrats in the White House and Congress, seeing as how they're the ones in power and they support arming a genocidal apartheid. What people write on them isn't of any real consequence to me. I'm angry about the fact that we're still sending them weapons.
Why is it that you’ve never once said anything critical of anything from the right? I’d love an answer if you’re able.
Because even on a post that’s specifically critical of the right, you do nothing but bring up Biden. That’s VERY curious.
The evil of the right is self-evident.
But I count it more evil to pretend one is progressive and then do exactly the same things the right-wing people are doing.
Riiiiiight…. And you think other people will accept this as a reason?
Not at all.
Democrats, by and large, don't accept any criticism of their party, preferring instead to make excuses or feign powerlessness on the part of their elected officials. (They share that trait with Republicans, in fact.)
And then an instance happens where having the same position as the Republicans means you either have to accept genocide or pretend in your head that you're still morally superior while the president you want us all to vote for sends the weapons over to make it happen.
It's like that meme with the red button. Your cognitive dissonance is impressive.
See? This is where the problem is. Your inability to read for context, instead of fulfilling some need for your ideology to be correct- regardless of reality.
No one said you can’t or shouldn’t criticize the Democratic Party. This is a right we have and is necessary to exercise. The problem is- people like you seem to think that by criticizing YOU- and your decision to yell at people to not vote… is somehow a declaration to deny your right to criticize. Criticize all you wish- just don’t be foolish enough to think that not doing something (voting) will bring change. It’s a mistake that every generation seemingly always makes when they’re young. Mine included.
And note what is going on here. YOU seemingly whine that everyone is being mean to you, while you simultaneously accuse others of shit they’re not doing. And all the while- you assume no one notices this.
Oh you're saying the Republicans in power don't agree with providing weapons to Israel?
How can they say they love Israel but also say Jews run everything and be generally negative towards Jews here?
Edited to add:
It's a common tactic with fascist regimes. Nazis used to do it with Jewish propaganda by simultaneously claiming that Jews were weak vermin that needed to be exterminated and that they are this supervillain that controls all the money.
You currently see it a lot with the people chanting "Genocide Joe" and claiming he is some mastermind warhawk with at the same time claiming that he is some feeble, senile old man. He's Schrödinger's politician!
Ah I remember the days of "Obama, The Weak-Willed Tyrant" an incompetent man with a genius level intellect according to Fox News..
Edit: For context, I'm talking about 2008-2015ish when the Right claimed Obama was too soft to stand up to America's enemies and was this "weak child of a man", and that he was also this evil corrupt tyrant who gave no one an inch, claiming him to be a moron and yet also a diabolical mastermind plotting the Muslim Takeover of America
The amount of Racism was fucking unreal. Especially down here in the South, I rolled my eyes at a lot of "Vote for the Mormon, not the Muslim!" in 2012
Obama's not even Arabic! Why the fuck did everyone think he was a muslim? And even if he was, who fucking cares?
Do you remember during the 2008 campaign when there was criticism over Obama's pastor being too outspoken in his church? In back to back segments fox would reflect on Obama's dangerous version of Christianity while also saying he was a Muslim...
Barack Hussein Obama
I don't know man. You tell me.
I feel like most people believe one or the other and the internet makes groups feel like one big person.
I feel like that may be true also, but I was referring to the groups pushing the agenda/propaganda, not the ones being affected by it. The ones propagandizing doublethink are the big issue IMO.
You have gravely misunderstood the Genocide Joe label, lol
So what do you think the Republican leadership hopeful Nikki Haley meant by writing "finish them" on an Israeli bomb?
Liberals 🤣
That's almost the most evasive thing you could have said. The question was what do you think the Republican leadership hopeful Nikki Haley meant by writing “finish them” on an Israeli bomb?
That they're as genocidal as the Democrats.
That doesn't make Biden a criminal mastermind playing 4d chess, it makes him a head of state who supports it.
This doesn't make sense bro, are you ok?
What, exactly, doesn't make sense to you?
You're equating Biden, who said don't bomb Rafah with Hayley who said kill them all? Riiiiight.
"Ooohhh don't bomb them with the bombs we gave you we'll do nothing if you do despite multiple laws requiring us to not keep giving you bombs ohhhh noooo"
And you people wonder why the actual left keeps muttering about what happens when you get scratched, lul.
Well, actually there's the law passed in 2008 requiring him to ensure that Israel is better armed than all of its neighbours.
The election is on a knife edge according to the polls. Who do you think would be worse for Gaza, Biden or Trump?
Trump.
Now stop pretending Biden isn't enabling a genocide, that his baseline Constitutional powers don't give him plenty of authority by themselves, and the dozens of laws and treaties prohibiting America from arming a genocidal state don't apply because this one law you haven't actually read says "nuh uh, this is a SUPER law."
Now stop pretending that allowing Trump to win means worse atrocities in Gaza and more encouragement for despots everywhere, including for Russia winning the war invading Ukraine.
Not sure on their current thinking but the root of that line of thinking predates Israel: European nationalist antisemites would say "Jews don't have a homeland that's why they're wrecking havoc everywhere else, they're jealous".
Overall, in general, zionist antisemitism is a thing.
Also some Christians believe the rapture will only come after Israel is back in the hands of the Jews. Since it hasn't happened already, they might think that it has to be completely in the hands of the Jews. It might be about Jerusalem instead of all of Israel.
So they can still hate them while wanting them to fulfill their "prophecy". Once they control whatever land some Bible contributor says they need to control, then God will punish them while rewarding all the good white folks in a way that lets them skip the whole scary dying thing.
Not sure if this specific asshole subscribes to that belief, it might just be normal Nazism (the Nazis wanted to send the Jews to Madagascar before understanding that you can't just send a large group of people to some other location without some kind of military conquest, which is part of why they called the Holocaust the "final solution").
FYI: Most of those braindead “am I not allowed to criticize Biden???” comments and posts on social media are a concerted effort by right-wingers from /pol and other such sewers, trying to get people to not vote against Trump. Don’t fall for it. These aren’t “lefties” or “tankies”. Just downvote, report, and ignore.
Maybe they're involved, but a much bigger player pushing that line of reasoning is the Kremlin. They want to get Trump elected again so he cuts aid to Ukraine.
And work to undermine NATO.
Plus, there's 4 years of new Top Secret info for Trump to turn over to Putin.
You think he'll give up power after four years? He's already actively undermining the US' democracy.
I was talking the last 4 years of Top Secret info created during the Biden administration. Because you know that Biden, unlike Trump, isn't giving away our Top Secret info to Putin. But, Trump will package it all up neatly with a bow, and hand it over to Putin the first chance he gets.
Lemmy is fucking FULL of them. Every other post is some Israel / Genocide Joe bullshit.
If you didn't know any better you'd think Joe is literally flying a bomber over Gaza right now.
It's getting tiresome even down voting this crap.
Don't forget to tag shills so you can keep an eye on them
how do you tag?
I'm my software I click on the username and then the menu button in the top right.
Other software might require a click and hold. It might say "add user note"
Yeah, honestly it makes me wonder if Lemmy is also already over.
Why are they wasting effort on like 200 leftist techies? They could get a lot more bang for their buck on Facebook.
They are on all social media platforms.
They have plenty of automated bots there too
Democrats not doing all the faschie shit they claim to be saving us from challenge level impossible.
Don't like Joe? You're a bot. Have a laundry list of gripes about Joe? Nope you're a single issue voter whining about a single racial cleansing like a baby.
Blue MAGA out here working overtime blaming the left for any and every Democratic loss, claim to hate Republicans but will hand an election to them every 4 years before they concede even an inch to the left instead of sprinting right to "court voters" that were NEVER going to vote with them.
That kind of propaganda is very common now so it makes sense that people have their guards up.
Awww poor guy
Typical republican filth.
This woman has no soul
Same lady who rolls up her windows when traveling through the "bad part of town"
I can assure you she never travels through the bad part of town...
Nikki is no moderate.
Moderate by GOP standards. Moderately less of a nazi or something like that
She's not even that. She went full Nazi when she called for the culling of the American people. Gas chambers and concentration camps.
She's the spitting image of American centrism.
Haley is one sick puppy.
Uh oh, don't tell Kristi Noem...
On the contrary..
Maybe Noem will step up. Do what’s necessary.
See, that's why I can't vote for Biden. /s
I mean, Biden's the reason those bombs are there to begin with.
If you actually cared about Palestine to survive, your best bet is to vote Biden.
All the alternatives will make the situation literally worse.
But you don't care about Palestine do you? You just want Trump to win. Since your overlord Pootin commanded you to.
If you actually cared about Palestine, you'd be on the streets demanding immediate action instead of begging people to check a box months from now when half a million Palestinians have starved to death.
Who says I haven't?
Because you’re hyper fixated on a vote months from now that won’t help Palestinians at the current moment? Your priorities are pretty clear.
So. Let me get this straight. My BEST bet would be to vote for the same guy whose administration continues to provide billions of dollars in weapons to conduct airstrikes on refugee camps, and sometimes makes "We're outraged! Who would have thought Israel would continue killing civilians!" comnents. You're really as delusional as the other side. Greetings from a Pootin troll.
Yes that's exactly right, because the alternative manages to somehow be even worse. All hail the two party system.
Glad you got it!
That administration isn't writing "finish them" on the bombs.
Or what did you think would happen if Biden lost? Some green party that hasn't gotten more than 5% of votes somehow winning?
If she didn’t have any bombs to write on in the first place, people might not have such an issue with biden.
Nice work, Dimitri, how’s the weather in St. Petersburg?
If I'm Dmitri, you're Hermann.
I'm not the one sitting here making excuses for apartheid and genocide, Hermann.
No, you're the one supporting the side whose potential VP candidate wrote "Finish them" on a piece of artillery to be used in the genocide that you pretend to be against, because she rightly believes their base will eat it up and doing so will help her get elected.
You just outed yourself, only Russians would know how to spell “Dmitri” right
Nope sorry only explanation is that you're Russian. Or if you somehow prove you're not Russian, then you're a useful idiot. Even the people who have voted third party for years, you've actually always been Russian.
Another lie.
You drop older stock bombs first so you don't have to decommission them. Everyone knows that. Israel already has all the bombs it needs to turn all of Gaza and the West Bank into a sheet of glass a dozen times over. Wtf are you talking about Biden sent them the weapons? American policy as to Israel has everything to do with its posture as to Iran and fuck all to do with Israel's posture as to Gaza, except that the West will not let Gaza or the West Bank fall into the hands of Iranian backed terrorists, i.e. Hamas.
She was ambassador to the UN. The Republicans and Likud together constitute the new Nazi party. Nationalist Zionists.
Vile
She's always been a ghoul
How hard can it be to not act on your weird chauvinsitic impulses in public as a politician?
Apparently it's pretty difficult.
Not oniony -- just normal Nikki Haley things, by this point.
Someone should finish her.
What a callous human being. I'm sickened by her actions.
War is literally a game to the GOP
She’s desi though
Chat, can we get an Indian to post a version of this that says desi so I don't get cancelled?
Nah let's still get rid of white women tho
Cow.
Not surprised.
Indians love Israeli creampies. And Indians generally hate Islam.
Hindu nationalists often hate Islam. Haley is American-born to a Sikh family.
Hindu nationalists, not Indians. Don't lump us all together with those fuckers. Indians born to immigrants in Western countries in particular have very little issue with Islam and detest what India is becoming.
You misspelled Republicans. Most US-based Indians aren't anti-Islamic because they often get lumped in with muslims when Republicans go on xenophobic crusades.