Nothing to see here, just join lemmy promoting a pedophile instance. Not a good look for the fediverselocked
cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/6400327
In case anyone is wondering, it's rqd2.
The definition of paraphilia is "a condition characterized by abnormal sexual desires, typically involving extreme or dangerous activities.", which can inclde pedophilia.
It has recieved 4 censures from fediseer due to the content contained on that instance
Not a good look for Lemmy to be promoting any instance like that.
Update: A pull request was sent to remove the sus instance. It should no longer show up soon
That instance list is built completely automatically by a crawler, no one approves instances before they are listed. In this case it was removed as soon as we became aware of it. Next time please make a pull request like that one, its much more effective than complaining.
The instances page at join-lemmy is completely automated
This definitely needs to get pushed to the two main devs for lemmy as they control that website
I wouldn't hold your breath, they didn't even want to remove the Nazi instance in their AMA.
Edit: To the responses, great, it's gone. Removing that pedo content shows that they're not too overworked to purge content like that from join-lemmy. So there's no reason for them not to remove the Nazi instances being advertised on the front page of join-lemmy. We'll just look the other way on that one I guess.
Yet they did remove other pedo instances from join-lemmy, so there's a good chance it'll get removed.
Okay, so they do have a line. Nazi's just don't cross that line for them. Awesome job, dev team.
Edit: Now downvotes on an anti-nazi comment. Lemmy sure has become a shit place as of late.
Nazis can’t really get them in trouble. CSAM can, and if it gets through one instance, all instances get it, and that’s a bad face for the Fediverse.
I think containing the Nazis to their own little instance is better than spreading them thin across everywhere else.
That's not what the comment thread was talking about. It wasn't about removing the instance from running just to stop advertising it on the join-lemmy site and they refused.
This fix was already merged
https://github.com/LemmyNet/joinlemmy-site/pull/247
That just seems like asking for trouble to me. Anyone could spin up NaziHellHole.com and get added to the list.
or if exploding heads came back and got tons of new users
Holy fuck.
They even call it the pediverse.
What in the unmitigated fuck is this? How can someone be so ridiculous... transrace? Transage?! Transabled?!! Is this some sort of weird roleplay to make trans people look silly?
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It wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that they are trying to make trans people look bad.
Yeah, I think Poe’s Law may be in full effect here. The law basically states that without some sort of signifier that it is parody, it’s impossible to create a parody of an extremist that is so extreme that it’ll never be mistaken as genuine. It was originally applied to fundamentalist Christians, but has since been expanded to pretty much any trolling or extremist viewpoints.
I genuinely hope that it’s a troll trying to make trans people look bad. Because that’s honestly the best-case scenario. The idea of this person actually existing is more gross than the alternative. Because if they actually exist, then it means they’re not just a troll trying to make trans people look bad. It means they’re a goddamned predator who needs to be sequestered away from the rest of society, and should never be allowed near children.
People like this are guaranteed to exist. With the wide spectrum of sexualities out there plus the sheer numbers of human population, there was more than likely going to be a few that are trans and pedo. Just like how there are Catholic pedos, Buddhist pedos, certainly hetero pedos and yes, some gay pedos.
Any attempts to hold up a trans/pedo or a gay/pedo as the norm for trans or gay communities needs to be shot down as the disingenuous crap that it is, because we know damn well that we can hold up a cis/pedo or a hetero/pedo as the norm and it would obviously be just as invalid.
Oh I agree. The issue is that half of the population seems to be convinced that gay people are all pedos, because that’s the narrative that has been pushed lately. And shit like this only helps perpetuate the idea and add fuel to the fire.
I don't doubt there's people who are trans and also paedo, I expect the same prevalence in that group as any other group. But this list of trans-things is just mental. I'm finding it hard to accept someone could unironically claim to be all those things.
Though I wonder if the transable thing is reference to those ridiculous people who like, deliberately blind or maim themselves because they 'feel disabled'
They're edgy teenagers. They're hearing adults talk about these horrible trans pedophiles, and they want to rebel against their parents.
4Chan is obsessed with linking pedophiles and trans/lgbt peoples.
Just from reading that description I would confidently assume the entire site is being faked.
It reads like one of those 4chan pranks actually gaining followers.
It's Poe's Law in action. I'm mostly fairly accepting, but that is a straight up caricature and joke. Not one in particularly good taste, either.
I keep seeing messages in my inbox from this post that have a good number of downvotes and are deleted by the user or a mod. This is some hornet's nest we've kicked.
Mentally ill is much easier to say
Unfortunately, there are actually people like this.
"Transabled" is a term some people use that wish to be disabled. There were even cases of people who paid doctors illegally to amputate a limb or they hurt themselves.
"Transage" are people who believe they actually have a different age. For example they feel like they are really 13. Some of them use that to justify relationships with minors.
They try to piggyback on the trans movement and present mental acrobatics in a whole new dimension of fucked up to explain why they are supposedly similar to people who are trans. (Which they really obviously aren't, I think that doesn't need explaining.)
And you can bet on it that trolls and right wingers use these obscure group of mentally unwell people to attack LGBTQ people and movements.
What. In. The. Actual. Fuck.
How can someone be so damn open about being such a terrible living being? I feel like I'm gonna puke.
mohammad they even have a religion after it. many pedophiles are now converting to islam because of it.
My day was far better before reading this.
What's horrifying is the amount of pedo apologists on some lemmy instances. They screech that as long as they aren't touching kids they're free to be attracted to kids because it's not hurting anyone. Anyone that looks at a kid and thinks sexual thoughts already crossed a line and should never be allowed access to children or the internet. Horrifying. Pedo is not a sexual orientation.
The person in the quote you're responding to is saying they actually abused a child and are defending that act. IMO this in particular should be much more harshly condemned; communities of people excusing and telling each other it's ok to abuse children.
what’s aoa
Age of Attraction
Makes me wanna puke 🤮
somebody call insane clown posse
Why? I know how magnets work.
there are lead pills that cure this condition permanently
yes
Lemmy really really needs instance blocking. Yes I know some clients have it but Lemmy itself needs a way to enable users to fully block another instance and all of its communities.
It's on the roadmap for 0.19, so coming hopefully in a few weeks
Luckily we have fediseer, which we use to automatically block instances with, for example, the csam tag.
https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/detail/lemmy.world
It's a disgusting, terrible instance. Back when I added them to our blocklist and fediseer they even had pedobear on display as if they were proud. They have a MAP community and Pedo memes.
The link posted by OP has our findings in it with a few of their posts on an archive site for those who don't want to go to the instance directly: (https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/detail/rqd2.net)
Yeah, no. I'm defeding with them.
Why must people do things like this it makes us all look bad
Honestly shit that blatant makes me think agent provocateur.
Bro they're all like this heres one I just found
They're so absurdly crazy I almost believe it's satirical even though I know they're probably being honest with their opinions
Yeahhhhhhh, that's just shitty fascist bait. I'm surprised no one has reported that instance to national authorities yet, it can't federate if the people running it are busy with the FBI.
I can guarantee the vast majority of those posters are kids themselves just doing stupid cringey edgy kid things.
"What's the worst thing I can think of? Let me join a community in support of it, that will show my parents"
Just look at that shit. It's cringetopia.
Sadly not all of them are. I looked at the instance and clicked on a post where they share some book that collects "positive examples of grownup-child sexual relationships". With a huge rabbit hole attached I won't descend further into. This is legit some dark corner of the internet shit.
I mean, I think we should probably treat it the same way we'd treat any site that has content like that. Defederate from it, obviously, and then report the site to your national authorities who handle sites with that material. I'm sure the FBI would love to know that site exists so they can have a nice chat with the operator.
It's intentional, that flag was made by 4channers trying to push the "MAPs are part of the LGBTQ community" line, specifically to confuse with resemblance to the trans pride flag.
Personally I think we should have a MAP flag...
It should be grey, black and orange.
Grey and black represents the bars, orange represents the jumpsuit.
Pedophilia is a crime, not a sexuality, and the day this becomes a controversial statement is the day humanity is officially unworthy of its continued existence as a species.
Of course it is/was
If you're gonna screw kids why not screw everyone else too
I suggest you use fediseer on your instance if you want to keep up.
What exactly do you mean? I've been meaning to set up Fediseer but I haven't gotten around to learning about it, and would appreciate any guidance you could give me
With fediseer you can Endorse instances and then you can follow the blocks those instances do. So for example you endorse lemmy.world and literature.cafe and when either one of them adds an instance to their blocklist on fediseer they will also be blocked on your instance.
You can even follow those blocks just for certain tags. Let's say you don't want to follow for "inactive admins" but you do want to follow for "neo-nazis" and "CSAM".
It's pretty cool and the functionality keeps expanding. Before it was more like a ring of trust but the developers have really been listening to what the community wanted and there has been a ton of progress. It's created by @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com and @rikudou@lemmings.world who added the gui and loads of extra features.
https://gui.fediseer.com
If you need any help, do let me know (on Matrix, preferably, but I can do PMs) and I can help set you up.
The only about the Devil's Advocate I'm willing to give for someone who is attracted to children, is that I think they should be provided services to designed to prevent them from attacking people, and that they should be free to seek therapy to minimize their chances of attacking others without scrutiny.
But that's the end of my symapthy anyone willing to force themselves upon a minor literally does not deserve to live.
I mean this is real free speech. We might find what they say and talk about horrible. But that's what real free speech gets you
and we're all free to say fuck off.
Exactly
Great strawman but no, this is not free speech, this is illegal content and laws exist to prosecute those who disseminate it. Free speech allows you to offend others .. it doesn't give you a pass to break the law.
As I said I find the whole trying to pass off pedophilia as something normal horrible. That doesn't mean that them having their own instances and communities isn't part of free speech.
Real free speech isn't censored by law.
Again I'm just making an observation here it doesn't mean I'm okay with this happening but this is what we signed up for, liberty has a cost.
As far as I'm concerned those people should be put on a police watch list and have all their post be read by their local authorities lol
freedom of speech means that the government cannot censor you. Lemmy is not the government
The pedophile community is the largest local community and that should be all you need to know.
EDIT: Relevant discussion over on reddit
That's just disgusting. This is why aliens won't talk to us.
Great, this just makes us look bad. We need to do something to stop the bad and we need to overshadow the bad with good
I hate that people associate things in this way. Like if I see a bad website I don't think "wow Linux really sucks" or Nginx or Cloudflare or whatever other technologies they're using. I don't watch a bad movie and think the Blu-ray player is the problem.
Yeah, part of the problem is people thinking Lemmy is one thing instead of a web of lots of things but I still agree with you
Reddit had r/jailbait and the r/ the Donald. This instance is just a turd in a ocean of normal and niche communities.
I initially thought this was an LGBT witch hunt. But unfortunately I have been shown that there actually is promotion of pedophilia there.
https://rqd2.net/c/map
You really made about 20 comments before doing even a basic amount of due dilligence, huh?
I apologize, I thought I did, I read the rules, and I read on the frontpage, and it seemed pretty harmless.
And there were no posts here that showed anything actually wrong, but mostly what seemed like knee jerk reactions to the accusation.
Had I dug one step deeper, I would have found it. But my diligence wasn't diligent enough, and I wrongfully concluded it was an anti LGBT issue.
Turns out I was mistaken, and yes I was a bit slow to figure that out.
At least you can admit you were wrong and change your mind. Those abilities are all too rare.
Thank you. 😀
Respect 👍
More people need to learn how to gracefully accept mistake like you did, even myself.
Thank you. 😀 This mistake was a really bad one. I do NOT support pedophilia, but it may have looked like it. So better to admit fault.
But I also believe truth is more important than ego.
He even reported people lol
We were about to ban him for being a pedo apologist because of it. Luckily we did look a little deeper and saw that he had a realisation ;)
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !map@rqd2.net
Sorry but what's a MAP?
Pedophile (stands for Minor Attracted Person)
Thanks. I hate politically correct language like this
It's not real, it was a joke made by 4chan that stuck. Nobody is actually using that term unless they're a pedophile
There are actual retards out in the wild that use the term to describe pedophiles unironically. No one likes them. Bully them.
The term is real, it's even used in scientific literature. The term possibly even predates 4chan, or maybe it's just a success on 4chan's part, successfully laundering a term into scientific discourse? It's hard to find too much solid evidence on the origin of the term. 4chan did seriously signal boost it with the whole "MAP Pride" thing though.
Sure, but CSAM is a real term and the same thing applies.
?
Are you just anti-acronym in general?
Anti-unnecessary terms. Changing "child porn" (or CP) to "CSAM" is a ridiculous, confusing, and unnecessary thing. And it takes effort away from meaningful action.
Making of a big deal about it is what takes away effort from meaningful action. Nobody is taking time out of their day over this issue but you. This is silly.
Its not real language.
Its some bullshit cooked up by internet trolls, and accepted and used by right wing propagandists, as the latest thing to use to try and paint gay people as pedophiles.
When, historically, we know the actual pedophiles are the ones falsely claiming gays are the danger to children.
It's inclusive of both pedophiles and hebephiles - that is, prepubescent vs. pubescent children.
So, it's got that going for it. Treating them both the same.
Unfortunately, it's also used to obfuscate the fact that a MAP is a pedophile/hebephile. Which is bad.
There are people who have messed up brains, who are attracted to kids, and hate themselves for it. They seek help (usually through lots of chemical treatments), and use the term MAP to separate themselves from the pedos. Unfortunately, pedos use the term MAP to hide the fact they're pedos, so... 🤷
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To be fair, it is not politically correct language, actually it's language that's commonly frowned upon in all circles. But basically as long as the LGBT rights movements have existed with any level of mainstream visibility in America, there have been organizations like NAMBLA and the like that have been trying to piggyback off of them...
And it pretty much ends the same way, with the pedophiles being shown the door.
Incidentally this is what the early South Park episode about the National Association of Marlon Brando Look Alikes getting mad at NAMBLA (the irl NAtional Man Boy Love Association) for stealing their acronym is poking fun at.
It is like your screen name but without the "r"
people need to be on top of this shit to ban it with extreme prejudice
I hate people like that, they make the rest of us look terrible
This is not acceptable in any way, shape, or form
Jesus mother of fuck
How long has it been there? Months?
The lemmy.ml devs were ok with Nazi instances being on join-lemmy "because people can just choose to join a different instance if they want" (or words to that effect) so it'll be interesting to see how far they take that line of reasoning.
It looks like the instance has only existed for about a month, so it's not too surprising it hasn't been noticed before now.
They already removed pedo instances before, so they'll probably remove this one. They seem to draw a much harder line on pedophilia than politics.
CSAM will bring negative law enforcement attention, whereas nazi content will get you a big thumbs-up from the cops.
edit: Downvoted by cops
That really surprises me considering their the lemmy devs' leftist political beliefs
They're authoritarian leftists, who support Putin. They have more in common with fascists than most people do.
That's the thing with being pro free speech - it means not censoring speech you hate.
Things quickly get complicated when the speech is (potentially) harmful.
I didn’t take them to be free speech absolutists, though.
They're as leftist as the "communist" China. Or as "socialist" as the Nazis were. Just because someone calls themselves "communist" or "socialist", doesn't mean it's true. And if you support China, Nazis, Soviet Union or its successor Russia, you're not a communist or socialist.
What the fuck... I'm just honestly taken aback by how in your face and blatant they are. Doing everything there but posting abuse content itself. Guess it's a good thing they're willingly putting themselves on the watch lists.
Maybe I don't know enough, but I think this is FUD.
rqd2.net rule 3:
Unfortunately I have been shown that there is promotion of pedophilia on that site. Although there may not be actually illegal content.
https://rqd2.net/c/map
Just because they aren't directly hosting illegal content, doesn't make it danger free. They freely encourage 'pro contact' as if it isn't a very strong possibility that, when someone is in contact with a person they're attracted to, they may well ... take the next step.
Well yeah, that's what pro contact means. Pro sexual contact. They don't think there's any inherent problem with sexual relationships between adults and kids.
"Pro contact" is just a polite way to say it, obfuscating what they're really talking about.
To them it seems that pro contact means contact with the person you're attracted to, even if it's not (edit: explicitly) sexual yet. Kinda like how you might talk with someone you're crushing on but not yet banging.
There already is a perfectly acceptable word for this though. It's called 'grooming'. It is called so because it is a precursor to what will inevitably become what they themselves call 'abuse'.
You know how when you've been talking to someone you really want for months and the sexual tension has been ratcheting up higher every minute, then something just makes that explode and suddenly you're just not thinking, just doing? How the everloving fuck do they expect pro contact to end anything other than in an immeasurably fucked up and scarring version of what I just described?
I think you may be using a different definition of terms. Pro-contact MAPs think that having sex with minors is fine, and that it isn't abuse. Here's a link to the MAP wiki on the subject: https://map-wiki.com/index.php/Pro-contact
If you go to the instance being discussed, you'll see people openly saying that sex with kids is okay and that they don't think there's a problem with it.
Oh...oh...excuse me, I'm feeling sick 🤢 like, I knew these guys were crossing serious lines but to think it is 100% fully intentional with no ignorance to the dangers involved...fucking 🤮
Yes I see that now.
This says all you need to know
Yes, that part was a bit confusing to me at first, since they already described zero tolerance against anything not adhering to official guidelines Dost Test, which is new to me.
But it makes perfect sense now, they only follow those rules strictly because they must. They would probably love if they could break them if they thought they could get away with it.
When I was shown a link to what they call "MAP", it very quickly became crystal clear what it was about.
OH 4CHAN
Locking post as comments have gotten extremely off topic and hostile.
What the fuck is a para or transkid?
Being realistic here... They don't seem to have anything actually illegal though, it's not like the instance is breaking the law or anything, seems like a far fetched overreaction.
The public doesn't think that way. Once media covers fediverse as some underground CSAM tradi g center, it's dead.
I mean, pedos do have a place they belong. A woodchipper. Feet first.
Slowly.
To be completely honest, I'd rather use reddit and have to deal with the shitty client than having to constantly worry about pedos like here on lemmy
I've yet to see anything but posts about this issue, so I'm confused by comments like this. I'm a daily user some days heavily and have been for a couple months.
There are pedos all over Reddit. Even on the admin team. So...
Every single I've seen something horrible from a fedi site, it's been on lemmy. I would block all of lemmy, but then my feed would be dry. I've seen much worse things here in a few months than I did for the on and off years on reddit. I honestly might just quit kbin and fediverse sites all together, I've already stopped recommending it to people. There is a servere lack of moderation and a large attraction to certain types of people to populate here. I see this going similar to voat, just harshly left rather than harshly right.
Freedom from corporate interests means greater personal responsibility. We can't have one without the other. All of us bear a responsibility to raise awareness about this stuff and inform our instance admins. It's the cost of not using corporate platforms.
Be the change you wanna see!
You know I am!
The issue is that people who do want to moderate dont have the tools for it, and/or burn out doing it like it's happening to beehaw. The fediverse software just isn't ready for stuff like this unfortunately, and it's a shame. Their focus really should have been moderation tools and safety in the past few months...
Yeah I'm deleting this app now. I love a nice alternative to reddit, but considering how much unblurred porn bleeds through to my timeline with no provocation, I really don't want to run the risk of something truely heinous like whatever is associated with this making it to my Frontpage.
You can simply block NSFW, you can do it in your settings
Might be wise to reverse the default. Those who want can enable it.All fine, answers clarified.
That's how it is. Even on the largest porn instance (lemmynsfw.com), you need to check the box explicitly on the sign up page. (And on the second biggest I know of (pornlemmy.com) there's a full page consent splash screen before even you can even reach the sign up page.
The thread starter is complaining about posts which should be marked as NSFW, but are not. I personally haven't noticed any of that, but I mostly stick to "subscribed" views instead of "All"
That's how Lemmy works already. When you register, the registration page gives the option to enable NSFW - i.e. it is off by default. (At least on lemmy.world and on dbzer0, I haven't checked other instances but I believe they work the same, except the porn instances.)
Bye, hope you can figure out the one simple checkbox that blocks all that stuff on whatever other aggregator you end up on.
You have an account on an instance with a very active admin team. We were even the first one to report this specific instance to the rest of the admins. We didn't do it in public to not give them any kind of exposure.
As others in this thread have suggested, you can disable NSFW communities completely by disabling the NSFW flag in your user settings.
If it helps, I use kbin.social (and its PWA for mobile browsing) and haven't seen any porn at all in my feed. I assume it's filtered out by default, but I haven't checked. I don't get any of the extreme political stuff in my feed either.
Yep, there was some in the early days but nowadays it seems to be gone to the point I think it's bugged and hiding all NSFW content regardless of your profile setting.
I occasionally see something tagged as "18+", although it's never been porn. I have wondered if it's bugged, too, but I don't really mind either way - there are other websites that are far, far better for porn if that's what I'm looking for. Maybe there's some great non-porn, non-gore content that I've been missing out on, but I think the chances are fairly slim.
Yep. Kbin is the way.
Go to "Communities"
Select "All"
Subscribe to any & all communities that interest you
Click on your username and select "Settings"
Scroll down to "Type" and select "Subscribed"
Congratulations, your front page now only consists of content you explicitly asked for.
Kbin is much better. I don't see any porn.
Lemmy user here, I don't see it either... The guy has bad settings
You don't see porn on the front page of lemmy either, if you used the "subscribed" view, instead of treating "ALL" as if it doesn't contain everything.
I look at "everything" and it shows everything people around the world have made, good and bad, how dare they!
I want to use zero amount of effort and have it catered to exactly what I like! But I don't want to be tracked or have any algorithms knowing what I like!
It's honestly depressing at how Lemmy has turned over the last few months since I joined. I would now never mention I use the site or recommend it to others. There's just too many fucking landmines for new users to step over to have a good experience here.
I'm sticking with it for the time being, but I don't see myself ever using it again if it gets worse.