I'm sad it's news when a president/presidential candidate announces something totally reasonable.
I’m always disappointed hearing news about Biden. So boring and normal. Where did my emotional rollercoaster of reading the news when Trump was president go?
Dark brandon better beat that facist dumbass come november though.
He probably would’ve announced this anyway, even if politics were much more normal than they are now. The thing is, it wouldn’t have been so newsworthy. It would’ve just been a normal, reassuring statement that we all expected to hear.
He probably would’ve announced this anyway, even if politics were much more normal than they are now
If politics were "more normal than they are now" it wouldn't have been a statement he would need to make.
It's a pretty low bar that a politician shouldn't be assumed to be abusing their power.
I think this action likely lowers Hunter Biden's chances of winning the presidency to zero for 2024. Not that Hunter Biden is even running for President, but from everything the GOP say, they certainly think he is.
Impeach Hunter Biden!
I dunno. Perhaps the GOP will vote for him if he’s convicted? They seem to go for that sort of thing.
Idk, have you tried showing his dick to a bunch of people, in the fucking halls of congress?
I don’t like this timeline
I'm just waiting for the first republican to criticize Biden for not caring about his son enough to pardon him.
Cool. But you legally can. But you probably shouldn't.
Okay. Cool. Good call.
honestly the 'pardon' ability needs to go away completely. maybe it made sense before, and/or wasnt abused, but now it just seems prepped to be a tool to release your fellow felons in crime.
Clemency is a useful tool, it just needs reform. Some states require it to go through a committee rather than just handing the power to a single official. There are probably other ways to curtail abuse as well.
That's only if criminals are elected. Biden used the pardon in 2022 and 2023 to pardon many minor weed related offenses.
It's still insane that politicians are involved AT ALL in the justice system.
The pardon is a last-ditch effort at justice. I'm fine with it.
POTUS can only waive off on federal crimes, the states still have hold on their own convictions. And even then, the governor can pardon.
Even if abused now and again, it's still good for the broader system.
They can be useful for things like spy exchanges, but I do agree the system as it exists is ripe for abuse
It's cool if it is a bullshit crime. Like smoking a joint, pardon everyone convicted of that.
The way American politics are going, you need a full reset. There is no power that is not being abused but powers are needed for a government to work
What's the most recent example of "full reset" for a comparable nation with the economic output, military power, or population size similar to America? The USSR? Any examples that are more successful?
I'm not arguing that change isn't needed, it is, but what's realistic. Especially when going up against those with the greatest vested interest in status quo, those brainwashed to rail against what's in their best interest or the greater good, or those too apathetic to engage with any of it.
Democracy was widely regarded as a failed experiment in antiquity up until the French revolution. There are multiple realistic avenues towards a "full reset", like everyone joining a union and then building new power structures around the existing ones.
"Realistic goals" at this point have simply become to move away from America until it goes the way of the Roman Empire, then come back to rebuild the ashes.
Realistic does not imply successful...
The point of being able to issue pardons is that Biden should have been pardoning everyone who's in prison for smoking weed. Too bad Biden's a little bitch who won't use the office of president to do much good.
Vote for him tho
Donald Trump announced shortly after that he too would never pardon his son Eric. He was quoted as saying "I never liked that kid."
it was a yankees jersey though so that makes sense
I feel like if the shoe was on the other foot (Don Jr in trouble) Trump is bitch and moan that it was politically motivated and a witch hunt and then pardon him.
Just like that moron did with other criminals that should not have been pardoned. BTW now that that piece of shit is a convicted felon, we should start to undo anything he ever touched while in office. All those pardons he did, send them the fuck back to prison. Just like how crooked cops have their previous cases under scrutiny.
Yeah! Time for Afghanistan 2!
/j
But for real, we can't just broad brush this thing. While most of it was shit, probably several things were decent things that got through in spite of the administration's ineptitude.
You realize the office of the US President is involved in important things in the world, and isn’t just a vehicle for revenge against a former President?
isn’t just a vehicle for revenge against a former President?
Trump is the one who needs to learn that lesson
I see nothing in their comment to suggest that they don't realize this.
You realize the office of the US President is involved in important things in the world
Such as maintaining the safety and full functioning of the United States of America? Yes, you're completely correct. That's exactly why this needs to happen.
Feels like he'd only act if was Ivanka or something that would also cause trouble for him. Trump isn't afraid of dumping anyone
Like a real crime boss, Trump never, ever dumps on family. No one else is safe, but the wife and kids are sacrosanct.
Now that I think on it, the man does indeed seem to have a single moral. How odd I'm just now seeing it.
Lol he fucking wishes he was in any way like a "real" crime boss.
He's never been put in a life or death situation like this, but I have zero doubt that if it came down to his life or the life of one of his kids, he would let his kid die without a second thought.
Even if it came down to something like life in prison, he would throw his wife and kids under a bus to save himself in a heartbeat to save himself from prison.
Of course that comes with the double standard that he is free to attack other politicians families, but his own is off limits.
One of the few cronies he didn't pardon was Cohen, and look how that worked out for him, lol.
Republicans will attack him either way.
Pardons Hunter:
"Biden is abusing the legal process for his son! Biden crime family! Reeeeee!!!"
Refuses pardon:
"Biden doesn't even love his son enough to pardon him! Reeeeeee!!!"
Which is why there is no dialogue with people arguing in bad faith.
And we as a society need to recognise that, and act accordingly.
Baseball bat to the larynx?
And patella, both of them
Debating with a MAGA person is literally like arguing with a toddler. They react impulsively, with only feelings, and disregard logic and facts. The difference is a toddler still has a chance at growing up...
Reactionaries gonna reactionary
Nah, they don't want to draw attention to Biden not abusing the justice system for personal gain, because it undercuts the whole "he's abusing the justice system for personal gain by prosecuting political rivals!" It would absolutely be a counter productive strategy.
You think the average GOP constituent is capable of making that connection? Lol
Yes. But more importantly, the ones steering the ship know they aren't aiming their talking points at the faithful, but trying to convince people on the fence.
As a semi competent politician its obvious 1) you have to say this and 2) you do your upsetting pardons after the election
Check out the brain on Brad
He won't need to. They're in the wealthy class so the son won't get much jail time if any. Nobody interested in hiring him would give a fuck about this conviction.
We have a two-tier system. It has been obvious for a while, but Donald getting $1,000 scoldings for sending Trumpanzees after the court's staff and family has shone a spotlight on the discrepancy.
There's always been a 2-tier system, through all nations and all times.
One of my favorite parts of Noble House, set in 1840s Hong Kong, was a Chinese guy disgusted with the English notion of "equal under the law". "Of course there are different laws for the rich and poor! Why else would I strive to be rich?!"
I think on that now and again.
"Some day I might be rich, and then people like me better watch their step!"
It’s like a 100-tier system. Society is hierarchical.
I tried many, many times to read Noble House, but it was too long for me to get through it.
Anywho, if I remember, wasn't it set in the twentieth century?
Pretty sure the judge had his hands tied for the max fine he could dole out to Trump. Still a problem that should be fixed but it's not cause of the judge.
How on earth are trying to both sides this lmfao
Learn to read
A leftist that points out inequality inherent in the system? What a strange thing to encounter on Lemmy. I'm positively flummoxed as to how this came about.
If you ask anyone from .ml, I'm not even a leftist. I am pretty dead set against Donald, whereas they (and Bibi) want Donald elected.
Theu dont want Trump elected. They want Biden to actually do something to stop the genocide.
It isn't a "both sides" thing, it is a class thing. The wealthy never face consequences unless they personally perform some heinous act, and even then it isn't guaranteed.
I sympathize with being sick of bothsidesers, but I don't think that's what I'm doing here. The justice system is unfair as it is. Dems aren't doing enough but Repubs want to make it even worse. If youths came out to vote in every election we wouldn't be stuck with these two choices, but there is very clearly just one sane choice.
If youths came out to vote in every election
They did, and their candidate lost anyway. Too many olds spread across too many districts.
Maybe if you can convince a few hundred thousand Youngs to move to Wyoming...
Every election. The parties cannot count on the youth vote. They both seem to be acting like they don't care what youths want. I am assuming a correlation there. Unfortunately it's correlating in both directions.
The parties cannot count on the youth vote.
The youth vote isn't a specific set of people. Its a continuous cohort of new voters entering the pool. And the parties are deeply wedded to the youth vote, in so far as they need to get their hooks in early in order to guarantee consistent turnout in later generations. Big investments in social media by partisan groups - from TPUSA to Joe Rogan sponsors - are predicated on winning over young people to right wing ideology. And Republicans consistently have some of the youngest elected party members because they aggressively recruit young people into leadership
What can't be counted on is the liberal party to engage with younger voting cohorts. You don't see Democrats engaging with youth activist movements. You don't see Democrats courting the college vote. You don't see Democrats attempting to seat ideological 20-year-olds in city councils or state legislatures and build up the back bench. You don't see the national party investing in professional party workers under the age of 30. Liberalism is the party of stoggie old dinosaurs telling their grandkids to shut up and vote for them, then getting mad when they only win 60-70% of the youth vote and still lose.
When liberal democrats burn out in their 30s and 40s, because they've been lied to and betrayed over and over again, all we get from the liberal party is "The other guys are worse, though!" As though that shit was ever a winning strategy.
Maybe you shoukd, Please re read his last paragraph
Literally the only answer to this question, though. He can't say he will pardon him, politically it would be terrible and it might impact the trial itself. And he can wait until after the election and pardon him then, even though it will mean he was lying now.
I don't think this comment is particularly newsworthy.
It's newsworthy when Trump is out here saying that he's going to go scorched earth on anyone who has ever wronged him.
"Breaking news: Old man not entirely senile yet"
“Old man’s PR staffer has half a brain”
Fox News: "Biden weaponizing justice department against own son!"
Eh, I'd do it on the last day for grins.
If he loses then he definitely should, one last fuck you to Trump since our boy Joe won't get another chance.
This. He should have said, “I’ll only pardon my son if I lose the election. Voters, it’s in your hands now.”
Day after the election.
Why does Joe Biden not simply say the Deep State arrested his Son and then Pardon him and Blame any and all NEGATIVE Media on the Deep State too?
Biden's voters aren't dimwitted cultists.
Does he need to for what is likely to result in the standard well-to-do white guy punishment of a small fine and community service?
And when he does, watch a bunch of other rich white guys complain that he's only being let off because he's the president's son.
He was only investigated because he's the president's son
The dude bought a gun while high off his ass on crack. If it were anyone else, the Dems would be up in arms about the person not being arrested while the Republicans would be defending his right to bear arms. I'm not seeing too many people saying Hunter should be let free.
I'm not saying he should be let free, but I am saying they're clearly seeking a disproportionate penalty than what most people get, because it's politically motivated.
That could never happen in America, come on now
I'm finding it hard to find any useful statistics for sentencing on the specific crime he did. Do you have any way to back up that claim about the penalty being disproportionate? All I can find is sentencing guidelines that seem to be pretty much written into the law so those would apply to everyone.
A 1990 Justice Department studynoted how difficult it was to bring cases against people who falsely answer questions on the form, especially because there is no paper trail for drug abusers like there is for felons.
It seems like it’s just a difficult crime to prove and Hunter went out of his way to produce damning evidence. That doesn’t feel unfair to me.
Worth noting that the sentencing has a very wide rsnge of punishments, but prosecutions are rarely pursued at all (he hasn't been found guilty yet shu obviously he hasn't been sentenced, nor as far as I'm aware has the prosecution indicated what sentence they would hypothetically pursue).
From what I've read, we routinely arrest people for drug charges who turn out to be longtime addicts and who have "legally" purchased guns. It happens all the damned time, there are rarely any significant repercussions, and nothing about this stands out about this case except who the guy's father is. And I'm not saying he shouldn't be held accountable for a crime, in just taking accepting to your "if it were anyone else" line.
Integrity. Something the republikkklowns have never heard of.
I'm sad it's news when a president/presidential candidate announces something totally reasonable.
I’m always disappointed hearing news about Biden. So boring and normal. Where did my emotional rollercoaster of reading the news when Trump was president go?
Dark brandon better beat that facist dumbass come november though.
He probably would’ve announced this anyway, even if politics were much more normal than they are now. The thing is, it wouldn’t have been so newsworthy. It would’ve just been a normal, reassuring statement that we all expected to hear.
If politics were "more normal than they are now" it wouldn't have been a statement he would need to make.
It's a pretty low bar that a politician shouldn't be assumed to be abusing their power.
I think this action likely lowers Hunter Biden's chances of winning the presidency to zero for 2024. Not that Hunter Biden is even running for President, but from everything the GOP say, they certainly think he is.
Impeach Hunter Biden!
I dunno. Perhaps the GOP will vote for him if he’s convicted? They seem to go for that sort of thing.
Idk, have you tried showing his dick to a bunch of people, in the fucking halls of congress?
I don’t like this timeline
I'm just waiting for the first republican to criticize Biden for not caring about his son enough to pardon him.
Cool. But you legally can. But you probably shouldn't.
Okay. Cool. Good call.
honestly the 'pardon' ability needs to go away completely. maybe it made sense before, and/or wasnt abused, but now it just seems prepped to be a tool to release your fellow felons in crime.
Clemency is a useful tool, it just needs reform. Some states require it to go through a committee rather than just handing the power to a single official. There are probably other ways to curtail abuse as well.
That's only if criminals are elected. Biden used the pardon in 2022 and 2023 to pardon many minor weed related offenses.
It's still insane that politicians are involved AT ALL in the justice system.
The pardon is a last-ditch effort at justice. I'm fine with it.
POTUS can only waive off on federal crimes, the states still have hold on their own convictions. And even then, the governor can pardon.
Even if abused now and again, it's still good for the broader system.
They can be useful for things like spy exchanges, but I do agree the system as it exists is ripe for abuse
It's cool if it is a bullshit crime. Like smoking a joint, pardon everyone convicted of that.
The way American politics are going, you need a full reset. There is no power that is not being abused but powers are needed for a government to work
What's the most recent example of "full reset" for a comparable nation with the economic output, military power, or population size similar to America? The USSR? Any examples that are more successful?
I'm not arguing that change isn't needed, it is, but what's realistic. Especially when going up against those with the greatest vested interest in status quo, those brainwashed to rail against what's in their best interest or the greater good, or those too apathetic to engage with any of it.
Democracy was widely regarded as a failed experiment in antiquity up until the French revolution. There are multiple realistic avenues towards a "full reset", like everyone joining a union and then building new power structures around the existing ones.
"Realistic goals" at this point have simply become to move away from America until it goes the way of the Roman Empire, then come back to rebuild the ashes.
Realistic does not imply successful...
The point of being able to issue pardons is that Biden should have been pardoning everyone who's in prison for smoking weed. Too bad Biden's a little bitch who won't use the office of president to do much good.
Vote for him tho
Donald Trump announced shortly after that he too would never pardon his son Eric. He was quoted as saying "I never liked that kid."
"I don't care for Eric."
Not sure about Eric, but he has assaulted Jr over wearing a sports jersey.
it was a yankees jersey though so that makes sense
I feel like if the shoe was on the other foot (Don Jr in trouble) Trump is bitch and moan that it was politically motivated and a witch hunt and then pardon him.
Just like that moron did with other criminals that should not have been pardoned. BTW now that that piece of shit is a convicted felon, we should start to undo anything he ever touched while in office. All those pardons he did, send them the fuck back to prison. Just like how crooked cops have their previous cases under scrutiny.
Yeah! Time for Afghanistan 2! /j But for real, we can't just broad brush this thing. While most of it was shit, probably several things were decent things that got through in spite of the administration's ineptitude.
You realize the office of the US President is involved in important things in the world, and isn’t just a vehicle for revenge against a former President?
Trump is the one who needs to learn that lesson
I see nothing in their comment to suggest that they don't realize this.
Such as maintaining the safety and full functioning of the United States of America? Yes, you're completely correct. That's exactly why this needs to happen.
Feels like he'd only act if was Ivanka or something that would also cause trouble for him. Trump isn't afraid of dumping anyone
Like a real crime boss, Trump never, ever dumps on family. No one else is safe, but the wife and kids are sacrosanct.
Now that I think on it, the man does indeed seem to have a single moral. How odd I'm just now seeing it.
Lol he fucking wishes he was in any way like a "real" crime boss.
He's never been put in a life or death situation like this, but I have zero doubt that if it came down to his life or the life of one of his kids, he would let his kid die without a second thought.
Even if it came down to something like life in prison, he would throw his wife and kids under a bus to save himself in a heartbeat to save himself from prison.
Of course that comes with the double standard that he is free to attack other politicians families, but his own is off limits.
One of the few cronies he didn't pardon was Cohen, and look how that worked out for him, lol.
Republicans will attack him either way.
Pardons Hunter:
"Biden is abusing the legal process for his son! Biden crime family! Reeeeee!!!"
Refuses pardon:
"Biden doesn't even love his son enough to pardon him! Reeeeeee!!!"
Which is why there is no dialogue with people arguing in bad faith.
And we as a society need to recognise that, and act accordingly.
Baseball bat to the larynx?
And patella, both of them
Debating with a MAGA person is literally like arguing with a toddler. They react impulsively, with only feelings, and disregard logic and facts. The difference is a toddler still has a chance at growing up...
Reactionaries gonna reactionary
Nah, they don't want to draw attention to Biden not abusing the justice system for personal gain, because it undercuts the whole "he's abusing the justice system for personal gain by prosecuting political rivals!" It would absolutely be a counter productive strategy.
You think the average GOP constituent is capable of making that connection? Lol
Yes. But more importantly, the ones steering the ship know they aren't aiming their talking points at the faithful, but trying to convince people on the fence.
As a semi competent politician its obvious 1) you have to say this and 2) you do your upsetting pardons after the election
Check out the brain on Brad
He won't need to. They're in the wealthy class so the son won't get much jail time if any. Nobody interested in hiring him would give a fuck about this conviction.
We have a two-tier system. It has been obvious for a while, but Donald getting $1,000 scoldings for sending Trumpanzees after the court's staff and family has shone a spotlight on the discrepancy.
There's always been a 2-tier system, through all nations and all times.
One of my favorite parts of Noble House, set in 1840s Hong Kong, was a Chinese guy disgusted with the English notion of "equal under the law". "Of course there are different laws for the rich and poor! Why else would I strive to be rich?!"
I think on that now and again.
"Some day I might be rich, and then people like me better watch their step!"
It’s like a 100-tier system. Society is hierarchical.
I tried many, many times to read Noble House, but it was too long for me to get through it.
Anywho, if I remember, wasn't it set in the twentieth century?
Pretty sure the judge had his hands tied for the max fine he could dole out to Trump. Still a problem that should be fixed but it's not cause of the judge.
How on earth are trying to both sides this lmfao
Learn to read
A leftist that points out inequality inherent in the system? What a strange thing to encounter on Lemmy. I'm positively flummoxed as to how this came about.
If you ask anyone from .ml, I'm not even a leftist. I am pretty dead set against Donald, whereas they (and Bibi) want Donald elected.
Theu dont want Trump elected. They want Biden to actually do something to stop the genocide.
Leftists carrying water for fascists? Definitely not a strange thing to encounter both on Lemmy and in history.
Some of us have moved beyond team sports and are now questioning the game.
It isn't a "both sides" thing, it is a class thing. The wealthy never face consequences unless they personally perform some heinous act, and even then it isn't guaranteed.
I sympathize with being sick of bothsidesers, but I don't think that's what I'm doing here. The justice system is unfair as it is. Dems aren't doing enough but Repubs want to make it even worse. If youths came out to vote in every election we wouldn't be stuck with these two choices, but there is very clearly just one sane choice.
They did, and their candidate lost anyway. Too many olds spread across too many districts.
Maybe if you can convince a few hundred thousand Youngs to move to Wyoming...
Every election. The parties cannot count on the youth vote. They both seem to be acting like they don't care what youths want. I am assuming a correlation there. Unfortunately it's correlating in both directions.
The youth vote isn't a specific set of people. Its a continuous cohort of new voters entering the pool. And the parties are deeply wedded to the youth vote, in so far as they need to get their hooks in early in order to guarantee consistent turnout in later generations. Big investments in social media by partisan groups - from TPUSA to Joe Rogan sponsors - are predicated on winning over young people to right wing ideology. And Republicans consistently have some of the youngest elected party members because they aggressively recruit young people into leadership
What can't be counted on is the liberal party to engage with younger voting cohorts. You don't see Democrats engaging with youth activist movements. You don't see Democrats courting the college vote. You don't see Democrats attempting to seat ideological 20-year-olds in city councils or state legislatures and build up the back bench. You don't see the national party investing in professional party workers under the age of 30. Liberalism is the party of stoggie old dinosaurs telling their grandkids to shut up and vote for them, then getting mad when they only win 60-70% of the youth vote and still lose.
When liberal democrats burn out in their 30s and 40s, because they've been lied to and betrayed over and over again, all we get from the liberal party is "The other guys are worse, though!" As though that shit was ever a winning strategy.
Maybe you shoukd, Please re read his last paragraph
Literally the only answer to this question, though. He can't say he will pardon him, politically it would be terrible and it might impact the trial itself. And he can wait until after the election and pardon him then, even though it will mean he was lying now.
I don't think this comment is particularly newsworthy.
It's newsworthy when Trump is out here saying that he's going to go scorched earth on anyone who has ever wronged him.
"Breaking news: Old man not entirely senile yet"
“Old man’s PR staffer has half a brain”
Fox News: "Biden weaponizing justice department against own son!"
Eh, I'd do it on the last day for grins.
If he loses then he definitely should, one last fuck you to Trump since our boy Joe won't get another chance.
This. He should have said, “I’ll only pardon my son if I lose the election. Voters, it’s in your hands now.”
Day after the election.
Why does Joe Biden not simply say the Deep State arrested his Son and then Pardon him and Blame any and all NEGATIVE Media on the Deep State too?
Biden's voters aren't dimwitted cultists.
Does he need to for what is likely to result in the standard well-to-do white guy punishment of a small fine and community service?
And when he does, watch a bunch of other rich white guys complain that he's only being let off because he's the president's son.
He was only investigated because he's the president's son
The dude bought a gun while high off his ass on crack. If it were anyone else, the Dems would be up in arms about the person not being arrested while the Republicans would be defending his right to bear arms. I'm not seeing too many people saying Hunter should be let free.
I'm not saying he should be let free, but I am saying they're clearly seeking a disproportionate penalty than what most people get, because it's politically motivated.
That could never happen in America, come on now
I'm finding it hard to find any useful statistics for sentencing on the specific crime he did. Do you have any way to back up that claim about the penalty being disproportionate? All I can find is sentencing guidelines that seem to be pretty much written into the law so those would apply to everyone.
https://www.ncja.org/crimeandjusticenews/few-prosecutions-for-lying-on-atf-gun-purchase-form
It seems like it’s just a difficult crime to prove and Hunter went out of his way to produce damning evidence. That doesn’t feel unfair to me.
Worth noting that the sentencing has a very wide rsnge of punishments, but prosecutions are rarely pursued at all (he hasn't been found guilty yet shu obviously he hasn't been sentenced, nor as far as I'm aware has the prosecution indicated what sentence they would hypothetically pursue).
From what I've read, we routinely arrest people for drug charges who turn out to be longtime addicts and who have "legally" purchased guns. It happens all the damned time, there are rarely any significant repercussions, and nothing about this stands out about this case except who the guy's father is. And I'm not saying he shouldn't be held accountable for a crime, in just taking accepting to your "if it were anyone else" line.
Integrity. Something the republikkklowns have never heard of.
Damn that's cold blooded.
Not abusing your power is cold blooded?
doubt
Bidens pardons are reserved for Netanyahu.